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Subject: Re: Skinnydipping in the Early 60's

Correction: To Rod and Artie
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Date Posted: 11:19:07 03/31/07 Sat
In reply to: Tom to Rod 's message, "Re: Skinnydipping in the Early 60's" on 10:57:38 03/31/07 Sat

>>>At the end of class, we would have to shower and
>>dress and
>>>the moms and whoever was with them would come in and
>>>sit or help the smaller boys while we all showered
>>>changed. I remember my friend's sister sitting on the
>>>benches and watching us all walk around naked, some
>>>boys even going over to the trough and peeing while
>>>naked. I was soooooo embarrassed. The moms were bad
>>>enough, but it was really tough with girls near my
>>>there. There were other girls of all ages going in
>>>out, but none that I knew except the sister. It was
>>>also weird for me being around her at other times
>>>knowing she had seen all of me (and the other boys)
>>>a legitimate setting, with adults' approval, etc. I
>>>think that may have been even worse in some ways than
>>>when actually naked in front of her, because there
>>>no doubt what she was recalling in her mind. She
>>>teased or said anything, but I could tell she was
>>>gloating over it. It seemed so unfair that these moms
>>>would let the girls come in and see us naked when we
>>>knew we would never be allowed to see the girls. I've
>>>not heard of any guy having that weird feeling when
>>>the presence of these girls later while fully
>>>except you and myself. I wonder if other guys have
>>>felt that way???
>>Well at least you admit you were embarassed as I'm
>>sure most normal boys would. I think most boys would
>>be embarassed walking about naked around young girls
>>they see day-to-day. If it was me, that simply
>>wouldn't have happened. I think the moms must've known
>>it was a bit of a weird situation for their daughters
>>to be around naked boys their age so maybe they took
>>it as an opportunity for their daughters to see what
>>boys look like naked, while being a non-threatening
>>situation. Mothers don't seem to understand male
>>modesty or embarassement when it comes to nudity. What
>>do you think would've happened if any of the boys
>>objected to girls being around?
>Rod: I think you said it right when you said the moms
>don't understand the boys' embarrassment. I don't
>think my friend's mom even gave it a thought. To moms,
>a naked boy under 10 yo is nothing, I guess, and to
>them, it's not. She was accustomed to her son being
>seen naked by his sister, (and probably other girls)
>so what's the difference? (this is my guess as to her
>thinking) But to a boy who doesn't even have a sister,
>it can be a very big deal. Plus, other moms and girls
>were there, so it was just the way it was done. All
>the dads were at work, so adult women ran the show.
>Actually, in later weeks, I started to skip the shower
>and ride home in my wet trunks, and the mom either
>didn't notice with all the activity and noise in there
>or didn't care. That didn't help a lot because the sis
>had already seen it all, anyway. Plus the other boys
>were still doing it. I had trouble looking directly at
>her for years, actually until they moved away.
>Artie: How did your new wife react? Some might think
>it funny, others might be jealous of a woman walking
>up and saying that like that. She is human and you
>know she remembered every detail of what she saw.
>Have you guys heard of or seen the LIFE magazine
>article they published in 1941 on schools? It has a
>photo of the girls' PE class doing exercises in the
>gym, and includes a full head-to-toe photo of the
>boys' PE class in the shower, bare butts in full view.
>Do you think any girls saw that? There was supposedly
>not one complaint leveled at LIFE, so guys being naked
>in view of mixed company observers was nothing back
>then. My experiences, and Artie's, took place early
>60's so not much had changed by then. But now,
>everybody is concerned about male pervs and sex
>predators so I guess it's different. But I'm sure
>that's the difference, not the fact that boys are
>embarrassed to be seen naked by the girls.

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Date Posted: 12:54:39 04/02/07 Mon

>>Artie: How did your new wife react? Some might think
>>it funny, others might be jealous of a woman walking
>>up and saying that like that. She is human and you
>>know she remembered every detail of what she saw.

My wife was surprised but took it well. We'd all had quite a bit of champagne by then, which might have contributed to the comment. I just recall being very embarrassed, trying to change the subject somehow.

Yes, "Kathy" saw quite a number of penises over the two summers she spent on our block. Usually it was just the 3 boys and 1 girl from the family with the pool, plus "Kathy" and I, but on occasion other neighborhood boys and the family's cousins swam too, and with few exceptions all the boys swam nude.

One clarification. In an earlier post I mentioned it was "weird" to think that she saw us naked in the pool when we were all dressed later on. What I meant was that in the pool all societal rules of modesty were set aside (well, for boys anyway) but in any other situation nudity was considered a horrible crime that would result in swift and severe punishment.

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