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Date Posted: 01:21:35 04/22/09 Wed
Author: Araninda
Subject: I saw bits & pieces of the second part on Monday night. Inside for my thoughts . . .
In reply to: Araninda 's message, "Knights of Bloodsteel" on 12:53:28 04/20/09 Mon

I loathed it! Awful script with cheesy lines, but the worst was the modern-day slang language used by these characters who were supposed to be ancient warriors & villians. I thought at any moment someone was going to pull out a Blackberry and start text messaging. Their appearance and their script were that incongruent with each other.

Was everything in ancient times blue? You couldn't see what was happening, and you couldn't see the characters facial reactions, amid the darkness and the blue tint. People were blue, trees were blue, rocks were blue. I kept wondering if Harmyboarders were going to parade across the screen in blue boas. Or if we had accidentally "poofed" a blue DJE just like we poofed a blue Harm Smurf in our recent Harmy Awards.

The character that DJE played was dirty. . .not dirty as in nasty, but grubby dirty with stringy hair. It just was not, IMO, enticing at all. Even him being in leather didn't do a thing for me, because I couldn't get passed the thought of wondering how bad his character smelled. And his eyes, which are usually so expressive, conveyed very little in this movie. Or maybe I couldn't see them in the darkness.

I'm sure that DJE wants to demonstrate his versatility as an actor, but this role, IMO, did little to help his career. He's so talented, but it seems like he has struggled to find success since the ending of JAG. CB has risen above JAG through Army Wives, The Good Witch and other roles, but DJE still seems to be trying to find his "breakaway" from the mold of the Harmon Rabb character. Hopefully he will find a great role soon, one that will bring him back to television for all his fans.

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[> [> ROTFLMAO! -- mkim, 02:52:10 04/22/09 Wed [1]


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[> [> It is nice to hear someone else think that DJE has had difficulty finding a good role. He looked awful in this movie and just did not see to be into the character. The only thing I can say is it isn't as trashy as Love Sick, I was horrified that he even took such a role as that. Considering that "The Storm" will be his 3rd sci fi movie I am hoping he does not get relegated to those type of roles. He is to good of an actor for that. -- Jeanaz8, 08:57:54 04/22/09 Wed [1]


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[> [> Excellent post Araninda and I couldn't agree with you more. This movie was Horrible and I tuned out both nights after only a short time. Everything about it was horrible from the storyline to the acting by everyone, etc. I had to laugh at your comment about DJE looking awful and dirty because it was exactly what I was thinking. I've read on another board where they were saying OMG and THUD to describe him and I was scratching my head saying are you kidding me, I'm just not seeing it. inside... -- Amy, 10:19:55 04/22/09 Wed [1]

Overall I agree totally with your post and I too hope he finds something more up his league and better roles to utilize his talent. I've seen Love Sick and Impact and I found both to be awful as well.I went to see Gooby in my area, and while it was cute, it wasn't an acting challenge for DJE and he was hardly in it and there were only 2 other people in the theatre besides me. I'm not sure why he isn't doing anything in Hollywood here, it seems everything he is doing is Canadian. Oh well, here's to hoping he'll get better parts

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[> [> Okay, I have a question for someone who might be "in the know"... -- doc, 10:51:29 04/22/09 Wed [1]

I've wondered this for a while. Is it possible that DPB could be "black-balling" DJE in Hollyweird? I know DJE got a contract immediately post JAG, and then had a short run on 'Close to Home,' but since then he's basically had these small, nothing films & parts or been up in Canada, I've seen interviews where he's said he wanted time off, but after 4 years, I suspect that's just to cover his absence. One of his last interviews, he said he's ready for another TV series. I can understanding wanting a break after a 10 year run, but after this long of a break, he starts to fall off folks screens (pun intended). So, do you think DPB has the clout to cause trouble for him? I know more recently Mark Harmon got DPB tossed from 'NCIS,' but DPB is know for creating great, long running TV series, & is probably still well-respected in Hollywood. I'd hate to think that he would hold a grudge & outright ruin DJE's career.

Food for thought, or more like "spoiled milk" for an upset stomach! I really would like to see him on another prime time "major network" series. I'd also add CB to that wish list, 'Army Wives' does nothing for me either! Plus the viewer number are minimal compared to major network TV.

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[> [> [> It's possible, but I think it's more because of something that we fans don't like to talk about. . . .Inside -- Araninda, 12:06:46 04/22/09 Wed [1]

I think there are a lot of factors going on but not because of any blackballing.

Of course we all think DJE is a superb actor and hunky guy, but in reality, he probably isn't a "hot ticket" in Hollywood casting departments. Hollywood is filled with good looking actors and the competition for roles is intense. Also, studios are cutting costs, and more and more lower budget films/shows/mini-series are being produced by independent entities, some of those being excellent, but others being awful.

DJE is getting older and Hollywood producers/casting agents tend to look at younger guys to play the sex appeal roles. Roles for him are becoming more limited. And of course, we don't know what his salary and perks requirements are.

JAG always "flew beneath the radar" in terms of ratings and although it developed a loyal following, it wasn't the huge award winning or rating success that creates bidding wars among producers for his services. There are unfortunately other examples of stars that had long running television shows that never quite "made it" after that show was over. For some of them it takes years to find new success. Hopefully, DJE will find that renewed success soon. My greatest fear is that he will decide to concentrate on directing rather than roles in front of the camera. The episodes of JAG that he directed were excellent -- he certainly knows how to get emotions out of the actors onto the camera -- but of course directors aren't seen themselves.

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[> [> [> Well, doc, I'm not exactly 'in the know' about the acting biz or DB's influence in Hollyweird, but I truly don't think anyone in Hollywood or LA is THAT powerful -- it just seems like such a fickle community. I think DJE is a fine, albeit, underrated actor like Mark Haron who also faded from the scene after several successful years in 'St. Elsewhere' and then came back in another hit when the stars were aligned. inside -- mj, 12:14:44 04/22/09 Wed [1]

DJE carried JAG to success and longevity and he not being in something as fantastic as JAG probably has as much to do with his own choice as it does with anyone else. He needed a much-deserved break and to enjoy life a bit. Acting is different from other professions in that it is long-hours and intense over a finite periods vs. regular hours/week (well, other professions except medicine -- also intense 'spurts' on TOP of regular hours/week -- sigh! I do think medicine gets better once one is an attending physician). He's also, like Mark Harmon, a 'normal' family man and doesn't seek hype and to keep his face on the radar of every casting director, producer, and creator, etc. etc. out there, but I do think he, like most actors, long for high-quality, appealing roles suitable for their range and/or beyond so as to stretch their range. Professionals feel an aptitude for the field and we went after it or we fell into it by default, but still made it a profession -- a vocation -- not just a job. We get to work and make a living at things we feel passionate about -- it's not ONLY about it being a job to earn money. But, the acting profession is just so 'public' which makes it even harder. That is, it feeds on 'exposure' and oftentimes, 'hype' -- much more than other professions, IMO. And when someone 'fails' or gives a less-than-stellar performance, it sticks!! So much more than with other professions. I'm a perfectionist in my work, but there have been plenty of times that I've not followed through like I needed/wanted to or even THOUGHT I did great only to be told I dissappointed, but I didn't have to answer to millions of fans or to a whole industry -- only my inner circle and perhaps some colleagues at work on the global scene. The point is -- my failures were discreet, even though they were crushing to me. For an actor -- a failure is magnified, scrutinized, remembered by millions -- too many. Anyhow -- there's also the luck factor, too. DJE is a classically trained actor and yet he could see another actor -- his age, his 'look', perhaps, but with no real hard-core training scooping up great parts which would be suitable for himself only because that person may have been at the right place at the right time. Or, that person may be more 'out there' pushing himself because he has the time, the energy, the freedom (perhaps at the expense of a balanced family life). Who knows?! I feel something shine-worthy will come along for DJE. He certainly must be ready for it by now. I personally would like to see him in something that DOES exploit his leading-man looks and physique -- hey, Paul Newman, Rock Hudson, Cary Grant, Kirk Douglas, and othres have done it before him -- why not him?

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[> [> [> [> I mean 'Mark Harmon', of course! -- mj, 12:38:21 04/22/09 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> Hi doc, I'm not an industry insider but I do have a couple of comments. I think the odds of DPB possibly blackballing DJE is giving DPB too much credit. First of all, while I think we all know that DPB has quite an ego, the fact of the matter is is that he is a highly successful writer/executive producer who has had highly successful TV shows for years, including NCIS (eventhough he's not involved in the day to day stuff it's stiil his show) . And I really doubt that he has the time or desire to worry about what DJE is doing or how to thwart him, lol. inside... -- Amy, 16:03:19 04/22/09 Wed [1]

And I have to agree with alot of the points that Araninda made as well. And also, not eing disrespectful, but I think sometimes some put all the blame for what happened with DJE/DPB/JAG on DPB, when the fact is it's never a one way street. From different interviews and statements made over the years, DJE could be just as difficult as DPB and it was published about the difficult contract negotiations before his last contract came up for renewal. So in that instance I guess the same could be said that maybe DJE himself has had something to do with his offered work projects or lack thereof. I do know in one interview DJE said that he would never do another hour long prime time series, but in a recent interview he seems to have changed his mind and said he would be willing to do one now. Sometimes, stars can get a little big for their britches so to speak with success which goes to their head(and I'm not accusing DJE outright for this because I don't work with him),and that can have an adverse affect on future projects and if anyone wants to work with that person or not in the future.

While I don't think that DJE is a superb actor, I did enjoy him on JAG and that's where I got familiar with and interested in him (there is something about him) and following any projects he does in the future. Since JAG though, I haven't come across anything that he's done that has had me jumping up and down and jumping for joy, lol.

As far as a prime time tv show, if it's a great one, I wouldn't mind it being on any network. You mentioned CB's TV Show Army Wives, while it might not be your cup of tea, it is Lifetime's highest TV show ever and they garner excellent ratings each year and there's alot of hype for seaon 3 coming up. So I'm not of the mind set that just because it's not on ABC, NBC or CBS that it's not good enough. Cable television in my opinion is blowing the 3 main networks out of the water each night for the past few years and they sure are having more critically acclaimed and award winning shows as well and are giving the 3 networks a run for their money. So if a great role was offered to him I would take DJE each week on a great show on cable anyday. I sure enjoy seeing CB each week and she keeps growing as an actress with great roles to boot. She's had great success and wonderful roles since JAG ended on the cable networks and as one interviewer said she is more recognized today that she was on JAG. So if that can happen for DJE, even if it is cable then I'm all for it and maybe they could come up with a challenging beefy role for him instead of what he's had since JAG to date. It just seems odd to me that everything he is getting is all Canadian and nothing major from here in Hollywood. Maybe he needs new people behind him I don't know, lol. I'll continue to follow him and hope that I will be pleasantly suprised one day soon and see him in something spectacular or at least good, lol.

Great question doc.

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[> [> [> [> Amy, I know you're a huge CB fan. I love both CB & DJE, and I want both of them to do well. I came to know both of them through JAG, and I don't know if either of them will ever find a show to top JAG for me. That said... -- doc, 17:15:18 04/22/09 Wed [1]

...I know you love 'Army Wives,' but that show just isn't doing it for me. I've tried to watch it. I could "almost" get behind CB's character has she grew, but they killed it for me with the end of last season. Plus I never much cared for the rest of the characters. I can't make myself watch an ensemble show week in & week out for just one character, especially after the writers trash that character. As for cable TV, 'Army Wives' may be the most highly rated TV show for Lifetime, but 2-3 million viewers can begin to compete with 15-18 million viewers for a show like 'NCIS'. Of course, I'd much rather have both CB & DJE back on a show like NCIS where they'd have great exposure!!! Most folks have no idea what 'Army Wives' even is. And while I liked the movie 'The Good Witch,' let's be honest, viewership wasn't much higher on the Hallmark channel.

I agree that on the whole, CB has picked better post-JAG projects in movies like the ones on Hallmark, compared to 'Knights of Bloodsteel' or 'Lovesick...Whatever.' That said, they both NEED more exposure on major projects for the sake of their career, or at least it seems so to me.

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[> [> [> [> [> Hi doc, I'll go inside because I get long winded, lol... -- Amy, 18:04:41 04/22/09 Wed [1]

While yes I am a fan of CB's, I'm also a fan of DJE's too. And yes I do love Army Wives (and not to be picky, but the viewership is 4.5 million as opposed to 2 to 3 million, lol)and I did say above that I realized that Army Wives is not everyone's cup of tea, but my refernce was in regards to your question on DJE and to me it wouldn't matter what channel he was on, that if it was a great show I would watch it. And while yes The Good Witch and The Good Witch's Garden Garnered 4 to 5 million viewers, and that's not 15 to 18 million, these 2 movies were also ratings winners and record setters for the Hallmark Channel as well. And if DJE can be a part of something like that on cable, more power to him. I don't agree with you that CB and DJE need to be on one of the 3 main networks for the sake of their careers. I think if they can get good projects and get good steady work that they can have a long and successful career. And whats good about it is that the directors/producers know who they are and in CB's case on all of her projects since JAG, they've gone after her for the roles, which speaks volumes for her exposure in the industry. Not every actor/actress wants or needs to be in the spotlight and deal with all the hype. I think alot of them just enjoy their work and are happy when they get good work and can be proud of it, with the acknowledgement of directors/producers/writers. The key word here being good. I don't think they NEED more exposure unless they WANT it. Maybe they're happy with their exposure and what us as fans think or feel they need, whether it be more exposure of what network they're on is meaningless. Because after all we are just fans and really have no clue what they want for their careers and I'm sure they know what's best for themselves. Hopefully for DJE he will get the opportunity to do something better than what he's gotten so far.

Thanks for the chat and have a good one! :oD

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[> [> [> [> Amy, it's nice to hear someone with a rational voice regarding DPB. I have to laugh at the way some go way overbord with their hatred of DPB. I agree with you and think BOTH DJE and DPB were responsible for how things went down the last seaon. I think they both let their egos get in the way. -- Heather, 13:23:44 04/23/09 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Of coursr they did and I agree with you to Amy. Some people have blinders on. Dje was just as much to blame as Don. -- April, 01:09:59 04/26/09 Sun [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> You have proof of that, April?? In this Harm/DJE-based community, you'll have to back that up with some facts. -- The Chief (I got my DJE blinders on, and wear them with pride, thankyouverymuch), 00:11:53 05/06/09 Wed [1]


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[> [> ALifetimes highest rated show would get canceled if it were on network TV. You have to realize Lifetime and Hallmark are a small potatoes when it comes to primtime TV. Highest rated shows there would be bottom of the barrel on Primetime Network tv. That is the big difference in Network and Cable. -- Trish...i've had to take a crash course in this stuff the last year., 13:41:16 04/23/09 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> Thanks Trish, that was my point exactly. A hit show on Lifetime or Hallmark doesn't begin to compete with a good rated show on a Primetime network TV. I want to see both of them back on primetime network series! -- doc, 15:36:48 04/23/09 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> There are sevral shows on networks TV that are on the "bubblt" right now who have ratings in the 8-9's. This is actually a really good decision on the part of CB's management team. The ratings can be lower and you can still say you are on a "hit" show. A hit for cable anyway. -- Trish...DJE has a great agency, one of the best in Hollywood. I cant imagine he isnt getting good offers. Just making bad choices., 20:58:54 04/23/09 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Actually Dje fires that agency a while ago. Alot of people don't even know who represents him anymore. I wonder if it's Canadian because that's all he does is Canadian work. Oh well, I sure hope he doesn something worth watching at some point, because what I've watched for of late pretty much sucks......lol, which is too bad. -- April, 00:54:03 04/26/09 Sun [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Actually he does have an agency in LA. The kids agent is very familiar with them. He can have an agent in both places as he has dual citizenship. My kids have agents in 3 cities. -- Trish, 20:13:02 04/26/09 Sun [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> can I ask you how you can say that all the work he has done since JAG is Canadian? and what would be wrong with that anyway? -- spudz, 16:24:57 04/27/09 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> US agencies can send talent on job inquiries in Canada. You just have to have a passport and viola!! My kids get casting notices all the time for work in Toronto and Burnaby(?). -- Trish.....just becasue he works some in Canada doesnt mean his agent is there., 14:05:21 04/28/09 Tue [1]


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