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Subject: 25 Years Ago Today.......
Author: GMAN [Edit]	Date Posted: 05:44:37 09/17/08 Wed Hard to believe 25 years ago today a young Syracuse University student would become the 1st black Miss America and become part of pageant immortality. I will always admire Vanessa on so many levels: In an era where it took multiple tries just to get to Atlantic City, she entered only one local; the way she handled the death threats while tirelessly promoting the MAO during her reign; the way she was able to pick her self up and move on despite the humiliating experience of having to resign and went on to become a very successful recording star and actress – (Not to mention being married to that hunk Rick Fox but I digress). However, I will most admire Vanessa for 25 years after she left Syracuse to become Miss America, she received her college degree. It is for all these reasons that Vanessa will always be for this pageant boy, my Miss America. Below is the clip of that magical crowning moment………
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As much as I loved (and continue to love) Vanessa, that finale dress...bonfire ready, even in that era, as far as I was concerned. (NT) -- New York Guy, 11:46:38 09/17/08 Wed I liked the crowning dress better than the dress she wore for evening gown competition. The evening gown competition dress reminded me of a toga. (NT) -- TNBoy, 15:37:40 09/17/08 Wed That's what I liked about it -- it stood out as fresh and different amidst a sea of sequins. Go figure! LOL (NT) -- New York Guy, 16:27:28 09/17/08 Wed i LOVED Vanessas evening gown for gown competiton-her crowning gown was spectacular as well. I have that pageant on video tape-I must have watched it a million times (NT) -- Andres, 19:34:53 09/17/08 Wed Every time I see this I wonder why Debbie Maffet just set the crown on her head and walked away without ANY bobby pins or anything to hold it on! Vanessa is lucky for the "big hair" of the day that held it for her walk down the runway! (NT) -- NE Queen, 11:59:20 09/17/08 Wed I was thinking it had some type of adhesive to hold it on.......watch Vanessa press down on it as she starts to walk down the runway. (NT) -- TNBoy, 15:39:32 09/17/08 Wed Vanessa siad in an interview that debbie did not have any pins to hold the crown in place. Instead, there was tape inside the crown that debbie literally taped the crown to her head! Also, debbie was such a popular Miss America that as Vanessa starts her walk down the runway, they keep Debbie in the picture frame as long as they could. (NT) -- Andres, 19:11:51 09/17/08 Wed Someone (I think Susan Powell) tries to hand Debbie some pins but, by then, it's too late and Vanessa is heading down the runway. Thankfully nothing happened. It's one of the great crowning moments and runway walks. Nothing run of the mill about this pageant. (NT) -- Wayne, 22:00:06 09/18/08 Thu I don't know who was more unhappy when their placement was announced, Wanda Gayle Geddie or Suzette Charles.... (NT) -- NC pageant fan....., 13:19:49 09/17/08 Wed Suzette, but Miss texas the next year was even more po'd! (NT) -- Andres, 20:01:33 09/17/08 Wed Happy Anniversary, Vanessa! (NT) -- TNBoy, 15:00:11 09/17/08 Wed Several thoughts: How did Pam Rigas end up in the Top 5 of both national pageants? WTF? You can just see the straightening of WGG's spine when he calls her as 3rd RU. You know she was shocked and pissed. I too hated Vanessa's crowning gown and wasn't really crazy about the competition EG either. (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 21:41:27 09/17/08 Wed Debbie also said in an interview before the pageant,"this is the year of a black Miss America" She said the minute she met vanessa she knew she was going to win. Good eye Debbie!! (NT) -- Andres(love me some Vanessa), 23:27:27 09/17/08 Wed hey GMAN, I had a dream last night....vanessa was able to carry out her reign and she crowned Kathy Manning as Miss America 19851 (NT) -- Andres, 23:50:06 09/18/08 Thu WOW - 2 of my all-time pageant girls in one dream - now if Debbie Shelton, Christy Fichner, and Shawn Weatherly, made an appearance I would die one happy pageant boy! (NT) -- GMAN, 07:41:43 09/19/08 Fri If Christy Fitchner showed up in the same room I think I would self combust! You know her EG at Universe 86 is my all time favorite (NT) -- Andres, 14:29:24 09/19/08 Fri Now the dream has turned into a nightmare! Just when I thought I had recovered from Debbie Shelton's losing to that peasant, Barbara Palacios ripped my heart out and pickled it with salsa! (NT) -- GMAN, 07:36:06 09/20/08 Sat Vanessa is my favorite Miss America. Hated her gown though! I also loved Kim Aiken, Cullen Johnson (who should've won even though I liked Heather), Leanza Cornett, Kaye Lani and Katie Harmon (yeah I know, but I lvoed her!). (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 13:46:40 09/19/08 Fri SanFranGuy- i LOVE Katie Harmon!! She got that hot swimsuit at a store in L.A. that I have been to, great swimsuit store! (NT) -- Andres, 14:27:17 09/19/08 Fri click in for Katie in swimsuit------> -- TNBoy, 19:48:02 09/19/08 Fri I love it. I wanted to bark at Miss Michigan though. ;) And did Jessie Ward compete in the USA system? She has an amazing swim suit physique. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 19:56:22 09/19/08 Fri Jessie did not, to my knowledge, compete in the USA system.......I had the pleasure of meeting her when she was Miss Texarkana..... (NT) -- NC pageant fan....., 19:58:09 09/19/08 Fri wow, Jesse did rock that swimsuit competition-her swimsuit looks like a two-piece "supersuit". And Katie, sigh, totally deserved her win (NT) -- Andres, 23:42:02 09/19/08 Fri I loved how Katie told them off when she was not in the Macy's parade. You go girl! (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 00:17:47 09/20/08 Sat When was this? Told who off? (NT) -- OLA, 10:53:50 09/20/08 Sat Macy's traditionally has Miss America in their parade, but that year they switched to Miss USA and left Miss America out in the cold. It was a classless thing to do when they could have accomodated both. Katie was interview in the New York Times saying ow disappointed she was, but if they did not want her, someone else would. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 14:01:45 09/20/08 Sat From Pageant News bureau. Click in: -- SanFranGuy, 14:35:09 09/20/08 Sat So she didn't exactly "tell them off". Also MAO tried to spin it as if they were the ones that didn't want to the Macy's parade after learning that Miss USA/Universe was going to appear. Macy's didn't disinvite Miss America they didn't invite her to begin with. Classless would be Miss America telling the press that Bert Parks was being replaced as the host of the Miss America pageant before telling Bert himself. (NT) -- Iola, 17:32:45 09/20/08 Sat I am not going to argue with you. At the time there were other articles. First of all, Katie did not hear this directly. She had to find out through other sources. And yes, that is a bit tacky.And it was a tradition that Miss America was in the parade. We are talking, what, decades? And she was outspoken about it. google it if you disagree. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 18:09:23 09/20/08 Sat She wouldn't have heard it directly she would have found out from the organization, the organization was notified in advance that Miss Universe would be used instead of Miss America. I googled "Katie Harman Macy's Parade Miss America" and inside was the quote I found from the former MAO CEO. Not exactly classy. A little irony here is that MAO complained about Macy's taking away the tradition (it started in the 60's) when in the last two decades MAO has stripped the pageant of many of its own traditions. -- Iola (click inside for the MAO CEO's statement), 19:32:45 09/20/08 Sat Katie was definitely not the first Miss America who was not in the parade...I think they made the switch when the pageant left NBC for ABC. Shindle, Johnson, French, etc...I don't think any of them did Macy's. Trump probably got his girl into the parade for the first year and stirred the pot for publicity. (NT) -- noname, 22:08:41 09/21/08 Sun Maybe so, but in DT's defense he said let both of them be in it. This Coke and Pepsi thing is just ridiculous. The high road/classy thing to do would have been to say yes and allowed Katie to be featured. No one other than pageant fans knows the difference anyway. (NT) -- ..., 09:44:50 09/26/08 Fri When I first saw Katie in SW I thought she must have been the most flat-chested contestant in history and then I realized this is Miss America NOT Miss USA...... (NT) -- GMAN, 07:22:58 09/20/08 Sat I know it was Vanessa's first run at Miss America. Was it also Suzette Charles' first run at local, New Jersey and MAO? (NT) -- Wayne, 14:35:34 09/19/08 Fri I think Suzette was Miss Columbus day twice in 81 and in 83 the year she won. Someone on the other board said she came back last year for the pageant and sang. (NT) -- Iola, 10:55:58 09/20/08 Sat If I am not mistaken, Suzette was first runner up @ Miss NJ the previous year. (NT) -- No Name, 19:36:21 09/19/08 Fri There's a new commercial on tv for the California state of tourism and they feature Vanessa in it! (NT) -- Andres, 00:10:33 09/20/08 Sat I'm hurt that my tasteless post about Vanessa's Playboy photos was deleted. NAZIS!!! (NT) -- BamaMan, 11:31:53 09/20/08 Sat It's maybe a sign you should stop thinking about breasts and get back to thinking about legs and weiners! (NT) -- New York Guy, 13:01:12 09/20/08 Sat Anyone have the video of Miss Texas (Tamara Hext) being called as 4th RU. I can't imagine that it was worse than Wanda Geddie's reaction (NT) -- tommiethompson, 15:31:12 09/20/08 Sat I'm trying to get that pageant on video-Tamara was called out and ,literally, kept walking past Suzette, then had to turn around an come back next to Suzette in the 4th RU position on stage. Yes, Wanda did not want to step out of line when they called her name, she just stood there, then crawled over to Debbie Maffet in defeat (NT) -- Andres, 17:20:23 09/20/08 Sat Tamara was one of the two that were predicted as winners by some computer engineer who I think would feed the contestants name and stats into a compter and tally up a winner. I think the first winner was Kelly Brumagen Miss Kentucky and Tamara. Kelly's talent fell flat and Tamara was beautiful but B. Don once again his titleholder in a ugly dress, he also caused a mild controversy when he said that she had "all the right parts" to become Miss America, those words and attitude would come back to haunt him 6 years later with the infamous LIFE magazine article. I think the pageant wanted the least controversial contestant to win that year and how could you go wrong with a 20 year old blonde, conservative, mormon from Utah. (NT) -- Iola, 19:38:43 09/20/08 Sat what did the LIFE magazine article say? Yes, I agree that Miss A probably went with the "safe bet" sharlene Wells(at least she had a good talent) but they true winner of that pageant,really, was Miss Mississippi,fantastic talent and an awesome sss and gown. Tamara's talent was weak-I cant believe anyone would think Tamara was going to win (NT) -- Andres, 20:01:10 09/20/08 Sat Didn't Tamara Hext have one of the more memorable self-introductions ever? I think I'm remembering the right name, but need some other scholar's help on this one... (NT) -- New York Guy ("memorable" - i.e., hilarious), 22:23:14 09/20/08 Sat as soon as I get the pageant on tape I'll watch it and let you know! (NT) -- Andres, 00:08:41 09/21/08 Sun The article basically made him look like a pig. There were very damaging comments from former contestants including Michelle Royer and I think Leah Kay Lyle that strongly hinted at sexual harassment. (NT) -- Iola, 08:15:39 09/22/08 Mon rats! I was hoping she was gonna win the emmy! (NT) -- Andres, 22:58:05 09/21/08 Sun If I recall correctly, this was B Don's undoing. Apparently the year the late Susan Lawerence won the contestants wore Madonna(the singer, not the saint) like costumes for opening number. He jokingly said:"Let's get the bitches back on stage." That was printed and the rest is history. (NT) -- no name, 20:46:12 09/25/08 Thu

Subject: LOVE these pics of Miss OK
Author: From the Guru board [Edit]	Date Posted: 07:28:54 09/24/08 Wed http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp240/aka1979/KelseyCartwright2.jpg">
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She is beautiful!!! Great pic of her! (NT) -- Fannie Pack, 09:12:58 09/24/08 Wed Kelsey is one of my favorites this year! (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 23:34:03 09/25/08 Thu Yes. (NT) -- BamaMan, 05:19:17 09/26/08 Fri

Subject: MAOT workshop series!!!

Author:
presented by MAOT and Dolphin Entertainment
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Date Posted: 14:51:58 09/25/08 Thu

MISS AMERICA’S OUTSTANDING TEEN PROGRAM ANNOUNCES
NATIONAL WORKSHOP TOUR
MAOT and Dolphin Entertainment partner for a six city workshop series

Orlando, FL- September 24, 2008-- Miss America's Outstanding Teen announced today that for the first time ever, Miss America’s Outstanding Teen, Inc. and Dolphin Entertainment are launching a
nationwide tour of six cities! This unprecedented workshop series is designed to give contestants, their parents and pageant directors an inside look into the MAOT organization and the acting/audition process.

With breakout sessions addressing topics such as on-stage presentation, platform development, preparing for the Entertainment Industry and an in-depth look at the MAOT judging process, this is one workshop you won’t want to miss! From beginner to “pageant pro,” there will be something for everyone!

The workshop series will kick-off November 15th in Columbia, MD at the Sheraton Columbia Town Center. The day will consist of four different break-out sessions for participants.

Sessions will include:
1.Working with the Camera: Participants will study improvisation as a tool to integrate the different styles and skills for acting in front of the camera for media, television, film, and reporting.
2.Preparing for the Entertainment Industry: From the importance of first impressions and presentation to the truth about finding an agent and auditioning, participants will learn how to navigate a path through the confusing world of the entertainment industry.
3. Establishing your Ideal Presentation: Participants will learn how to select and apply
the right modeling, make-up, talent, etiquette techniques and overall
style to best highlight their personal strengths. Whether on or off the
stage, these presentation skills will last a lifetime.
4. Navigate the Interview Room from all sides of the Table: This session
will teach participants everything they need to know to take the mystery
out of the interview process. Overall interview technique, paperwork
completion, platform development and the Children’s Miracle Network will
all be discussed. Participants will also see an actual judges’ ballot in
order to learn the process from all sides of the interview table!

Registration materials will be available on Friday September 26th on the Miss America's Outstanding Teen website. Please visit http://www.maoteen.org/workshop/MAOTDolphinTour.htm for more information.

For more information about Dolphin Entertainment, go to www.DolphinTalent.com.

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About Miss America’s Outstanding Teen:
Miss America's Outstanding Teen is a scholarship-based program offering accomplished teens the opportunity to be awarded funds for college. The program promotes scholastic achievement, creative accomplishment, healthy living and community involvement for America's teens. In the past three years, the organization has made available more than $2 million in college scholarships. For more information, please visit www.MAOTeen.org

About Dolphin Entertainment:
Dolphin Entertainment, founded in 1996 by President Bill O’Dowd, is one of the world's leading entertainment companies specializing in children’s and young adult live-action programming.

Dolphin is Executive Producer to Nickelodeon hit series Zoey 101 (Primetime Emmy® Award nominated) and Ned’s Declassified School Survival Guide. Zoey 101 currently ranks as the number one live-action series on cable among tweens, in both the United States and Canada. Both series have gone on to see incredible international success and can be viewed in over 100 countries worldwide.

Dolphin Entertainment's other Executive Producer credits include Nickelodeon's first-ever TV movies Shredderman Rules!, Last Day of Summer, and the Roxy Hunter mystery movie franchise .

Currently, Dolphin’s projects include Nickelodeon's first-ever musical Spectacular! and their first feature film based on the life of shark attack survivor and professional surfer Bethany Hamilton, Soul Surfer: The Bethany Hamilton Story

Subject: Can you..name this queen?
Author: lowe [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:22:04 09/20/08 Sat
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I don't know, but I might guess it's a former TUSA contender still getting mileage out of her Fadil headshot outfit. Is that in the ballpark? (NT) -- New York Guy, 13:09:47 09/20/08 Sat Is that Kelli Crossley (former NV TUSA) gone blonde? (NT) -- version 2.0, 15:06:25 09/20/08 Sat bingo! (NT) -- Lowe, 18:34:23 09/20/08 Sat It does remind me of the former Teen USA outfit, but the girl kinda (and I'm not very good at this) looks like Megan Miller (?) - former Miss America's OT. (NT) -- Giggles, 18:24:37 09/20/08 Sat This looks like Missouri USA 2006 or 2007...the one who crowned Candice Crawford. She's been doing a lot of modeling lately... (NT) -- HA, 14:26:42 09/22/08 Mon That would be Amber Seyer, but she has WAY bigger boobs. (NT) -- Boobless, 19:58:26 09/22/08 Mon Diane Sawyer (NT) -- Fan, 13:14:56 09/25/08 Thu

Subject: I am competing in my first MUSA pageant in Alabama this November. Any advice? I am soooo psyched!:)
Author: starla* [Edit]	Date Posted: 23:00:45 09/20/08 Sat
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What is your strongest area and what is your weakest area? (NT) -- TNBoy, 12:17:11 09/21/08 Sun Strongest is probably interview/swimsuit...I like to have fun in these areas of competition but for evening gown should I go for the more pageant Sherri Hill gowns or something more runwayish (NT) -- starla, 15:51:48 09/21/08 Sun* If you are trying for consistant scores across the board, I'd stick with a Sherri Hill. You never know how a "runway" look might make a judge score.......(unless it's a very fashion forward panel.) (NT) -- TNBoy, 18:44:09 09/21/08 Sun Thank you for your help:) I will keep you posted with more information as I continue my quest for the crown! haha (NT) -- starla, 21:23:19 09/21/08 Sun* Woohoo good luck. I'm in my first USA pageant too. It's so exciting!!! I feel like the USA system really allows you to be yourself and show your true style!! (NT) -- Fannie Pack...good luck sister!, 11:20:22 09/22/08 Mon I am also competing in my first USA pageant, where can I find a good swimsut? (NT) -- Thanks for the help too!, 11:42:18 09/25/08 Thu JDI Couture (NT) -- Patricia Gentry, 11:45:55 09/25/08 Thu

Subject: Miss Patricia Gentry seeks your advice
Author: Patricia Gentry [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:20:34 09/22/08 Mon Dear PCer's. I have dilemma that I could use some help with. This past MAO season, I acted as business manager for two young ladies. I actively sought them out and volunteered to work with them because I believed they had that special something, and as a coach wanted them to do their best. One was in her last chance to compete so I hoped she would make the top ten. She is a beautiful girl and very talented and bright. As her business manager and hopefully advisor, I drove an hour to her house each time to meet with her and her mom. I looked at clothing suggestions, spoke to her about hair and make-up and reviewed her talent. I ended up making part of her talent outfit, totally approved of her gown which was stunning and loaned her two of my swimsuits to choose from for SS. I did not attend the pageant this year but heard she was phenomenal on stage, so was shocked and sad for her when she didn't make the top ten. I immediately texted her to see if she was okay and she seemed to handle it well. Well, that was in June. I have contacted her by phone, text, voicemail etc. First to see if she'd like to get together, because I liked the girl and second to have my garments returned. She has not answered any of my requests and I actually called the house phone and spoke to her mom about it, after which, again, I heard nothing. Now, please understand, as a volunteer and coach I sometimes get my heart broken because I become fond of these girls and after a pageant, they can turn into someone else and disappear from your life. Luckily that is a rarity for me. I love all my girls. So, what do I do? She has over $300 worth of my merchandise that I could certainly sell. Should I try anything else, or just chalk it up to a bad apple in a basket of beautiful red ones? Depressed and exhausted Patricia Gentry (who shouldn't have stayed up to watch the Yankees last pitch)
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Well here is my thoughts. I think sometimes girls go to coaches with the wrong mindset. A coach is there to help you gather your thoughts and keep your focus and help you to become the very best you. But unfortunatley some girls think that going to a coach will garuntee them a top spot and when they don't place/win they put all blame on the coach. Which is ridiculous because it is only the competitor up onstage and up to her to do the best with the advice and guidance she was given. I think the girl is bitter she didn't win and in denial that maybe it just wasn't her night or she didn't do her best and is taking it out on you. (NT) -- Fannie Pack, 11:49:11 09/22/08 Mon The next time you contact her, you might try mentioning that there is another current contestant who would benefit from the clothing you loaned her. It might be harder for her to think she is depriving another contestant. (NT) -- MissMerlin, 12:13:24 09/22/08 Mon Can her mother collect the belongings for you so you can pick them up? (NT) -- ., 12:15:27 09/22/08 Mon I spoke to her mother on the last call and asked her that. She said she'd ask, no response. I think they both feel cheated, but hey, I was free help! (NT) -- PG, 13:56:54 09/22/08 Mon If she isn't answering you that way - I would send something via certified mail - that way you have undeniable proof that you are trying to contact her and when she signs for the letter, you'll get a response. It's something that provides a little back-up. Also, while you have a personal relationship, she is taking advantage of that relationship - now it's just business. Don't mean to be harsh, but certified mail or something that needs a signature would be my best bet. (NT) -- Giggles, 12:45:39 09/22/08 Mon First let me say how sorry I am PG that you have to go through this and I hope things will work out. I guess you will need to decide which is more important to you: chalking this up to experience or getting back your merchandise. If you decide to pursue, I would send a formal letter to the family or the girl if over 18 stating exactly what you are missing, give them a drop dead date to return your outfits in the condition they were received or you will have no choice but to take them to small claims court and then DO IT. (NT) -- GMAN, 13:42:17 09/22/08 Mon I agreea certified letter is the next step asking for your things back (NT) -- Andres, 15:16:16 09/22/08 Mon I agree. Certified mail. Send a letter saying they can either keep the suits and pay you what they are worth or return them. If you don't recieve them back before X amount of time that you will be filing a small claims. I know it sounds harsh but just because I gilr is sad she didn't win a pageant does not give her the right to keep what is not hers. (NT) -- Fannie Pack, 15:11:24 09/22/08 Mon Fannie, it is heartbreaking, because this girl had a spark and I called her and offered to be her business manager and she was thrilled because they had offered her someone she hated. I sent her presents during the pageant week, I made her talent outfit and loaned her the suits. I love working with these girls, and I get so hurt when once in a while someone turns out a "little wicked". But please understand this is a rarity. Most of my girls are above the best of the best! (NT) -- Patricia Gentry, 15:15:01 09/22/08 Mon My heart really breaks over this sistuation. Many of us who compete would be over the moon is someone not related to us believed in us so much that they would do all these wonderful things for us...even if we don't win the pageant it's still such a wonderful experience. I say don't let this bitter betty stop you from inspiring and helping other girls who will truly appreciate it always! (NT) -- Fannie Pack, 07:55:48 09/23/08 Tue PG -- I am so sorry you are going through such a crappy situation with this young lady after being so kind to her. Here is what I'd do: send her a certified letter with a return receipt signature added that states what you are asking to be returned (itemized list) and give her seven (7) business days. If after the seven (7) business days, go to the magistrate court in her county and file a complaint (you can do this without a lawyer, it'll cost around $80). LET HER KNOW you will be doing this if she does not follow through. If you have any other questions, please email me! (NT) -- HakiSak, 15:34:23 09/22/08 Mon Too bad you don't have something to hold over her head! Last year's Miss Knox County refused to come back to crown the winner this year and wouldn't return the director's phone calls. So, guess what??? She ain't gettin' her scholarship money that she won last year! HA HA! No wonder some of these girls don't place. If they are that shallow, it probably shows up to the judges most of the time or it could just be plain bad karma! (NT) -- TNBoy, 15:34:28 09/22/08 Mon TNBoy is onto something here....have you contacted the local director? (NT) -- crownchaser, 12:14:48 09/23/08 Tue Good Luck, PG. I think more than anything I can sympathize since my daughter has had people blame her if they didn't win, not realizing they could have done much worse without her. many in this generation just expect people to fix things for them, not encourage them to fix themselves. I do agree with Miss Merlin nabout letting her know that someone else is in need of the items.. (NT) -- Miss Edtheboat, 16:17:43 09/22/08 Mon The pageant road is littered with ingrates. Your relationship with this girl ended the moment she chose not to return your things as requested. Send her a certified letter and let her know you'll be taking her to small claims court if she doesn't return your property within 7 days. The time for being polite has passed, and you're not in any position to throw away $300. (NT) -- Meemaw, 17:55:20 09/22/08 Mon I lost a very special pageant dress this way too. Pat, I would have been only too grateful to have the kind of help you provided. Follow up a la Meemaw! She is taking advantage. Poor form indeed. So sorry! (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 18:32:16 09/22/08 Mon PG, I've always loved reading your posts and I'm sorry to hear that such a situation occured. Maybe it's not that the contestant is angry/upset with you, but perhaps she is embarassed to face you? Knowing that you helped her and put so much thought and energy into her and have her not place is quite a let down to herself and to those she cares about. I agree that if the SS are that important to you, handling the situation in writing is always better as you have provided documentation. I like the idea that another posted had telling her you have another contestant who perhaps can't "afford" a SS and you are going to let her borrow yours, but you need them returned. I'd try one more "softer" approach, before threatening small claims courts. Not to mention in small claims you have to pay the inital fee, and unless you have cold hard proof ( ie.... she acknowledged IN WRITING that she does have your SS) she could simply say they were a gift and there would be no proof. Hope this helps. (NT) -- CT Queenie, 18:36:14 09/22/08 Mon I would make an appearance at their home unannounced to collect your items; this will put the daughter into an embarrassing position. Should that fail, I agree with the above poster, send a certified mail receipt or better yet a Federal Express, or United States Postal Express Mail to the home. The signer signature will show up online and when it was delivered will show up on Fed EX/US Express mail websites. Write that you would like to set up a date and time to pick up your belongings that you loaned her, let her know dates and times you contacted her to collect your belongings, and should you not hear from her, you will have no other choice but to sue for your items. You loaned her your items in good faith and this is the thanks you get from this ungrateful woman. This is not right! (NT) -- ., 07:06:29 09/23/08 Tue PG- I have read with interest your story and the suggestions of those above. While I agree with them that this contestant is being rude and inconsiderate, I think you need to chalk this one up to experience. You're very unlikely to get your garments back, and small claims court is usually a big headache and probably not worth the time and effort you'll put into it. I'd work really hard on just letting this go and have a strong faith that the universe will take care of this situation (not "Miss Universe," but "the universe.") (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 07:39:08 09/23/08 Tue Update and then we can put it to bed. I text'd the young lady one last time yesterday. Stated I had been patient but couldn't understand why I was getting the cold shoulder blah blah blah. She emailed and said she never got any of my requests. So I wrote back and said, I had sent the messages, voicemail and spoke with her mom. I was sorry she did not receive them. In any event, I think I will see them in the mail. We can delete this thread if appropriate. (NT) -- Patricia Gentry, 09:22:54 09/23/08 Tue I wouldn't delete it -- these are all life lessons and someone else may benefit from the various forms of advice above (and people find little gems in the archives, too). Glad you made some headway, PG! (NT) -- New York Guy, 11:29:08 09/23/08 Tue And if NONE of this advice works, I know people who for a small fee would find her and cap her in the knees. -- Tonya Harding, 11:28:23 09/23/08 Tue LOL, Oh my you gotta love pageant central posters (NT) -- ., 08:49:26 09/25/08 Thu Have MLOP take care you her. I know she could take her! (NT) -- RockyGirl hates borrowers who don't return. Still waiting..., 21:08:45 09/23/08 Tue Seriously RG? That stinks. What is her excuse now? (NT) -- Iola, 16:52:51 09/24/08 Wed I'd gladly donate my services. I owe Pat a million thanks. (NT) -- MLOP, 00:01:38 09/25/08 Thu

Subject: Wow! Cryslte!
Author: fan [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:57:07 09/22/08 Mon Colucci Exhibition Opening NEW YORK - SEPTEMBER 17: Miss USA Crystle Stewart attends Steven Colucci's exhibition opening at the Mark Hachem Galerie on September 17, 2008 in New York City. (Photo by Joe Kohen/WireImage)
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Click in for back view -- fan, 16:58:27 09/22/08 Mon Beautiful simply beautiful (NT) -- ., 11:22:46 09/23/08 Tue simply stunning (NT) -- virginia girl, 15:16:58 09/23/08 Tue I'm curious as to the story behind this pic. Was the gown created by the artist to match the artwork behind Crystle (I'm assuming it's the artist's work)? It's a beautiful gown, but I personally would have had Crystle pose in front of something a little different. (NT) -- Indy, 20:46:27 09/24/08 Wed LOL - Well at least there isn't a cat scratching post on the floor in the background! (NT) -- New York Guy - perhaps this is too subtle..., 21:43:56 09/24/08 Wed I don't know which came first, but I just looked at his work and I think he is Jackson Pollock with Macular Degeneration! Bwuahahaha! (NT) -- Patricia Gentry, 21:27:40 09/24/08 Wed Simply GORGEOUS!! (NT) -- SNOWMAN, 22:31:49 09/24/08 Wed

Subject: Got Tadashi?
Author: Indy [Edit]	Date Posted: 20:17:42 09/24/08 Wed Have you checked out the fashions from Tadashi lately? Click the link, and then click on "Collections". http://www.tadashicollection.com/
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Click In to see a couple of my favorites! -- Indy, 20:20:20 09/24/08 Wed

Subject: Crystle - From Runway to Charity - still looking Fab!
Author: Giggles [Edit]	Date Posted: 12:17:43 09/24/08 Wed Crystle Stewart, Miss USA, spent the day working with the American Red Cross, handing out food and water to area residents affected by Hurricane Ike.
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CLICK IN FOR A FEW OTHER PHOTOS OF THE DAY (and be sure on the first one, to look at the gentle directly behind her...caption that one!) -- Giggles, 12:28:45 09/24/08 Wed that's supposed to say gentleman not gentle (NT) -- Giggles, 12:30:09 09/24/08 Wed Is she really wearing "cross" earrings?!? LOL! If they were red I'd really die. :) (NT) -- MissMerlin, 15:03:06 09/24/08 Wed The man in the white polo shirt is saying, "I'm picking up lethal radiation levels from Miss Lee behind me. Everyone get out of this room -- stat." The man in the red polo shirt is just happy as pie that his fourth shot of Thunderbird kicked in. (NT) -- New York Guy, 16:10:02 09/24/08 Wed wow looks at those abs. Now I feel horrible about the icing flower I just swiped off the bday cake left in the office kitchen! (NT) -- Fannie Pack, 14:48:42 09/24/08 Wed

Subject: Miss Mexico -- Saturday, Sept. 27, 3 p.m. EDST, Univision
Author: New York Guy [Edit]	Date Posted: 22:05:34 09/23/08 Tue That is, unless you'd rather watch "Dirty Harry" on AMC or college football on just about every other channel. I love the Nuestra Belleza Mexico theme song! And, unlike Miss Venezuela's, it scans.
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thanks for the update! I was going to post the new Miss Mexico but will wait until after Saturday..... (NT) -- GMAN, 07:29:02 09/24/08 Wed Don't post the winner, please! Many of us like to make it a "live" pageant if we can! (NT) -- Thanks much!, 13:51:53 09/24/08 Wed

Subject: Do your states make the USA girls sell ads for the state program book?
Author: Confused [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:06:07 09/23/08 Tue Curious
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We can in NJ but I chose not to. However my sponser list reads "Fannie Pack" thanks her friends, family, and VISA!! (NT) -- Fannie Pack, 16:27:01 09/23/08 Tue LOL!!!!! That is so darn cheeky I would automatically consider you one to watch! (NT) -- Meemaw, 21:00:11 09/23/08 Tue Haha thanks. It's true. my Visa did provide me with my lovely Beleza swimsuit and my fabulous and horribly overpriced Jovani opening number outfit. (NT) -- Fannie Pack....just got bumped up to the platinum., 08:52:17 09/24/08 Wed LMAO!!!! -- Still laughing, 12:35:03 09/24/08 Wed Highfive Fannie! Visa is a godsend! (NT) -- MLOP, 13:36:56 09/24/08 Wed Not sure in our state but if you can find a sponsor that is willing to put up the fee or do your clothing then I would do a thank you page -- Hmmm, 17:52:38 09/23/08 Tue It's always been optional for MT-USA. MT-MAO requires 4 ad pages at $100/pg. After that, each ad page is $100 but you get $50 back. I played it by selling 4 ad pages and then selling half pages at $50 and using my $50 refund/half page to thank those who sponsored my silent auction gift, photos, etc. (NT) -- RockyGirl, 23:21:32 09/23/08 Tue

Subject: New pics of Miss Alaska MAO-Much better!
Author: AK FAN [Edit]	Date Posted: 10:49:58 09/24/08 Wed [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9873/stephanymissak22co2.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img411/stephanymissak22co2.jpg/1/][IMG]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/stephanymissak22co2.jpg/1/w213.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7151/stephany1sam9228edit23zo5.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img82/stephany1sam9228edit23zo5.jpg/1/][IMG]http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/stephany1sam9228edit23zo5.jpg/1/w213.png[/IMG][/URL]
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Let me try that again -- AK FAN, 10:52:03 09/24/08 Wed

Subject: Our Miss America '09 Contestants Celebrity Look-a-Likes
Author: Judge Judy [Edit]	Date Posted: 13:52:52 09/23/08 Tue § Alabama 08 and Amanda Peet (actress, Saving Silverman) § Arkansas 08 and Demi Lovato (actress and singer, Disney’s Camp Rock) § Massachusetts 08 and Kristin Davis (actress, Sex and the City) § Nebraska 08 and Heidi Montag (actress? and singer?, The Hills but pre-plastic surgery) § Nevada 08 and Adrianne Curry (ANTM Winner Season1, Surreal Life, and “Mrs. Knight”) § North Carolina 08 and North Carolina 07 Jessica Jacobs § Texas 08 and Texas 03 Sunni Cranfill § Utah 08 and Kellye Cash (former Miss America) § Virginia 08 and Lori Petty (actress, Point Break, A League of Their Own, Tank Girl)
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Re: North Carolina click in... -- Patricia Gentry, 14:18:04 09/23/08 Tue Another would be Stephanie Brink and Lisa Kudrow........ (NT) -- GMAN, 14:19:04 09/23/08 Tue I forgot to mention over on Guru that the VA<->Lori Petty look-alike is UNCANNY! I know I'm going to hell for thinking this, and I really don't wish illness on your child, but a little part of me is grateful that you were able to do this today because of this poor sick little baby! Thank you!!! (NT) -- MissMerlin, 14:19:35 09/23/08 Tue Not a problem! It's just a littlw atrep throat. Although, I am feeling a bit sore so maybe it will be another day home from work ;) (NT) -- Judge Judy, 14:24:05 09/23/08 Tue I think Alabama '08 kinda looks like The Glak. Mass. '08 looks like Lauren Lanning. Nebraska '08 looks like Tyler Willis. (NT) -- Jake, 15:39:00 09/23/08 Tue I've gotta say, Washington (Janet) looks like Eva Longoria with lighter hair and complexion (NT) -- Don't you think?, 18:35:55 09/23/08 Tue Yes and if I possessed the requisite skills, I would post photos of both side by side (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 08:16:28 09/24/08 Wed Utah -- Empty Nest, 20:47:27 09/23/08 Tue Wow! Thank you for doing this!! I used to love Armchair Judge's Separated at Birth posts, and while most of his were just plain funny, these comparisons are amazingly accurate! If Demi Lovato had slightly bigger eyes she could be Miss Arkansas' twin! And I agree with Empty Nest who said Miss Utah looks like Linda Hamilton. (NT) -- Meemaw, 20:56:10 09/23/08 Tue I actually think Arkansas looks like Selena Gomez of Disney Channel Fame! (NT) -- I <3 Former Beauty Queen Demi Lavato!!! NBQueen, 22:06:29 09/23/08 Tue You are so right Empty Nest...I found another picture of Linda Hamilton for a side by side (Click In) -- Judge Judy, 04:41:35 09/24/08 Wed

Subject: MLOP, I found the fabric for your interview dress!
Author: Patricia Gentry [Edit]	Date Posted: 07:49:35 09/24/08 Wed
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Also here http://ny-image3.etsy.com/il_430xN.39030207.jpg (NT) -- PG, 07:52:23 09/24/08 Wed

Subject: Susie Castillo
Author: fan [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:55:43 09/22/08 Mon Los Angeles Confidential Magazine's Annual Pre-Emmy Party HOLLYWOOD - SEPTEMBER 20: Model Susie Castillo arrives at Los Angeles Confidential Magazine's Annual Pre-Emmy Party at Les Deux on September 20, 2008 in Hollywood, California. (Photo by Chelsea Lauren/FilmMagic)
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I think the colors look good on Susie, but the overall style of the dress....not so much. It hides too much of her upper body! (NT) -- Indy, 17:22:22 09/23/08 Tue one of the first bad pictures of Susie ever---this is a definite case of a girl getting lost in a dress (NT) -- oops, 00:52:37 09/24/08 Wed Love the dress; it looks great on her. (NT) -- me, 01:07:20 09/24/08 Wed BURN IT!! (NT) -- [><], 03:44:12 09/24/08 Wed

Subject: tatoos
Author: need to cover [Edit]	Date Posted: 18:36:31 09/23/08 Tue Anybody out there know what's the best for coverup (fair skinned)? Need to cover new tatoo. Please hurry! Thanks.
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For body art/scar cover up my vote would definitely go to DermaBlend, it's often available at department store make-up counters. (NT) -- MD Fan, 18:48:13 09/23/08 Tue For Tats I recommend Ben Nye! (NT) -- NBQueen, 22:08:57 09/23/08 Tue

Subject: She ruined my life!
Author: SFG [Edit]	Date Posted: 00:37:43 09/23/08 Tue So you all know Meemaw said Teri Utley and Jill Gulseth ruined her life. But, I had some people ruin mine as well. Who ruined yours? 1970s: 1 Karen Morrison: Miss Texas should have won that pageant. To make it worse, Karen looked like a cyclops with a great swim suit figure. But it was her whiny interview, so inspid, that turned me COMPLETELY off! To this day, I hope she does not spawn. ;) 2. Marisol (MU 1970): She ruined Debbie Shelton's life, so she might as well have ruined mine! 3. Mary Therse Friel: Not because I truly hated her -- I din't. But Tracey Goddard derserved that crown, and a mousy girl who does not interview well does not deserve to be Miss USA. In the 80s, she looked awesome! 1980s: 1. Teri Utley: She beat a top 5 full of stunners: Texas, Utah, Ohio and the deservedly Virgina were all prettier, and her time on the back of the truck suggested she was not a Girl Scout as she "sipped" her beer. 2. Barbara Palicios: Another girl I did not hate, but she won is a God awful time machine gown, and as much as I think Christy Fichtner is a piece of work, she deserved that title! 3. Cheryl Prewitt: Okay --- she won that pageant outright. She was stunning, and possibly won every category. I have never seen such a sweep, but that interview scared me. Her leg grew an inch before her? Healers? Speaking in tongues. Sheesh! 1990s: 1. Joyce Giraud: A woman is a woman becuase she is a woman and women should be proud being women because women are women. Nuf said! I am dizzy now! Beautiful? Yes. Next! 2. Karin Hartz: I don't need to elaborate, and Tiffany Tenflede was ROBBED! 3. Dayanna Torres: Nuff sad 2! 200s: 1. Jill Gulseth: I remember that night thinking who was this slow thinking girl that was drunk in heels. Then I saw Meemaw call her the Beast. I have indegestion! 2. Erica Harrold: Okay, so I do not hate her as much as others. She was smart and talented, but her nose crops up in my dreams from time to time. 3. Endia Abrante: Because I am scared!
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I'm totally with you on Karen Morrison. When I recently watched a DVD of this pageant, I kept hoping someone else would win, even though I knew she would. I think that's the year that NY had it in the bag (I might be mis-remembering). That outcome was just YUK. Barbara P. Tede also pissed me off in a big way. I hated that gown so badly, and was so pissed that Christy didn't win. Kimmi Pressler ruined my life one night in the late 90's, as did Jennifer Berry (Monica Pang was so robbed.....) (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 07:43:08 09/23/08 Tue Pat Gentry -- Jan, 07:46:36 09/23/08 Tue My life was ruined by three little pigs: Leonard Horn – His decision to replace Bert Parks and make the MAO ‘modern’ was IMO the beginning of the decline of Miss America as a cultural phenomenon and removed the one constant associated with the pageant for so many years. Bob Guccione –His decision to publish photos of Vanessa Williams moved the pageant in a direction where they began to take themselves too seriously – platforms, more emphasis on talent and interview and the blasphemous attempt to remove SW. Donald Trump – His continuing efforts to ‘modernize’ MUO has led to the SW competition being nothing more than soft porn , complete with fake furs combined with hideous music in outfits more appropriate for a Victoria’s Secret commercial than a beauty pageant while simultaneously deciding that the MUO should have a say in selecting semi-finalists based on geography and politics rather than merit….. (NT) -- GMAN, 08:00:09 09/23/08 Tue Okay Meemaw I will give you smart on Erika Harold but TALENTED? My ears are still bleeding from that awful attempt "Carmen". (NT) -- Iola, 09:05:31 09/23/08 Tue Don't blame me, I didn't write that, SanFranGuy did! You'll never hear me calling Erika Harold talented. She was an abomination and ruined countless lives, including the Miss America Organization's. (NT) -- Meemaw, 10:49:30 09/23/08 Tue Apologies to you Miss Meemaw, I think I'm still in PTSD about the whole thing. I saw it LIVE! (NT) -- Iola, 16:35:30 09/23/08 Tue Great post today, I have a general few:(1) the ABC television network-how can a highly successful network turn away a traditional iconic institution and turn it over to hungry cable groups who have tried to realitize the MAO. Im mad as h** that Gretchen Carlson could not convince FOX to do a 2 hour broadcast with top 10 talents SS EG OSQ and winner. (2) The judges of Miss America 06 and 07. Where was the northeast in the semi's, barely even there, So many great girls the last 3 years from VA to Maine, well you know my drift. and 3) although Im not from California, what happened last year at CAUSA was a disgrace, and Im hoping Shana, my all time EG winner can make a sweeping change for the good... (NT) -- Howard*, 15:10:33 09/23/08 Tue* I disagree on the first two points. MAO is largely to blame for its downfall on network TV. Devaluing the beauty part of the competition, platforms, pushing away instead of embracing their traditions is what killed them on TV. ABC/Disney tried to buy the pageant in 98 or 99 and was told no. Miss America's decline on network TV was largely their own doing. Gretchen wasn't at FOX news when the pageant was dropped by ABC and tried to invervene with a few other formers but was shut out and has not had anything to do with the organization since. She works for FOX news not FOX the network and would have very little pull with the the broadcasting division. Remember FOX is the one that brought us "WHO WANTS TO BE A PLAYBOY PLAYMATE" "WHO'S YOUR DADDY" and "THE SWAN" (NT) -- Iola, 16:59:30 09/23/08 Tue I'll try to make my list short; Sharlene Wells, Miss A 1985. 23 years lady I am still bitter that the true winner, Kathy Manning, ended up at 2nd RU; Laura Martinez Herring- a miracle that she even won Texas, she was a total bore at Universe; Barbra Teyde,beating one of the best swimsuit and evening gown presentations I have ever seen- Christy rocked that pageant; the 4th and 3rd RU's from Universe 1988-to this day I still scream and pull out my hair when watching these two wrecks;dishrag Mona Grudt from Universe 1990 "feeding the poor childrens in Africa"-bleah;Shauntay how-the-heck-did-she-win Hinton;Kim I love birthday cake! Pressler. (NT) -- Andres, 21:08:18 09/23/08 Tue

Subject: Why isn't this girl Miss USA?
Author: BamaMan [Edit]	Date Posted: 05:46:31 09/23/08 Tue What is this gorgeous woman doing with a Sweetheart title? I would support her for Miss Universe! Someone tell her to quit messin' around with MUO and get on over to the dark side of real beauty where she belongs.
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She is competing in the Miss AZ USA Pagant in November! (NT) -- It should be an exciting pageant., 06:53:32 09/23/08 Tue Really? She can do that while reigning as the National Sweetheart? Britt, you're going to have to fix your pageant this year. I demand that this girl become the next Miss Universe. (NT) -- BamaMan, 20:54:32 09/23/08 Tue I told you she was beautiful! (NT) -- Meemaw, 10:42:41 09/23/08 Tue WOW! She is stunning! And MLOP, will you please tell your titleholder to never wear her hair up and off her face like that again? Thanks. :) (NT) -- MissMerlin, 11:09:48 09/23/08 Tue

Subject: Kristin's Wedding
Author: PC Family Album [Edit]	Date Posted: 19:45:05 09/17/08 Wed Click here to check out the wedding of the season!
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You looked beautiful and I LOVED the gown!!!! Also, Allison and Melissa look hot, too! (NT) -- TNBoy, 20:29:13 09/17/08 Wed Bellasima! (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 20:36:57 09/17/08 Wed sp sorry - the photo takes my breath away and I guess my ability to spell (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 20:39:33 09/17/08 Wed Congratulations Kristin! You looked absolutely amazing! I wish you all the best. (NT) -- Elin., 04:00:37 09/18/08 Thu I am out of the loop. I do not recognize her from this or the other post. (NT) -- Maiden Last Name & Title Please, 18:53:45 09/18/08 Thu Kristin is a regular poster on the board. (NT) -- MLOP, 19:45:07 09/18/08 Thu Thank You for answering my question... (NT) -- Out Of The Loop, 17:54:29 09/19/08 Fri I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack... :) More to come... will try to come to MNPC so I can dish! xoxoxoxoxo Love you all! (NT) -- Mrs. Kristin ♥, 19:56:44 09/20/08 Sat Welcome back you old married woman! :) I hope your wedding and honeymoon were as fabulous as you are! (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 02:32:54 09/21/08 Sun AWWW! Thanks for sharing your special day with us thru these gorgeous photos!!! May you and your marriage be blesseD!! (NT) -- NC GAL, 19:44:00 09/23/08 Tue

Subject: Birthday Wishes!
Author: Indy [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:35:13 09/22/08 Mon *HAPPY BIRTHDAY TUMBLEWEED!!!* **Tuesday, September 23rd!
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The 10th Anniversary of her 21st Birthday (NT) -- Yet soooo young, 17:17:42 09/22/08 Mon TODAY'S BIRTHDAY (SEPTEMBER 23). You have big questions and the answers you find are marvelous. Mostly they come from your own mind as you learn to relax. Your curiosity is so attractive that you'll have to fight for alone time -- old and new friends are eager to spend time with you. New income sources arrive in January. Sagittarius and Scorpio adore you. Your lucky numbers are: 51, 4, 13, 11 and 15. (NT) -- TNBoy, 02:49:01 09/23/08 Tue You share your birthday with a very special little girtl!!! Happiest of days to you , gorgeous!! (NT) -- NC GAL, 19:42:24 09/23/08 Tue

Subject: Answer This!
Author: IndyJeff [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:30:14 09/21/08 Sun Do you believe the following question would make an appropriate Final Question on a pageant stage? How would you answer it? The Question: "If you became an apparel designer, would you copyright your creations.......why or why not?"
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Imitation is the best form of flattery. I think people will borrow your ideas, reagardless if your name is on the garment, but I think putting your stamp and name on the designs makes that garment yours.. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 16:46:28 09/21/08 Sun There are currently no copyright laws for fashion in America today. Unlike Eurpoean designers, who have the ability to take legal action against copyright infringement, American designers have no legal fall back. A rival house can take your design, deconstruct it, and recreate it as their own. This is why knock-offs are still sold in this country. There are some global trading laws in place, but very little national back-up. Copyright can cover music, film and photography but not fashion designs. (NT) -- MLOP, 18:19:46 09/21/08 Sun MLOP - I didn't know this! I am impressed with your info. I am against fakes/knockoffs because I believe in the concept of intellectual property. I never realized that designers didn't have the same protection as musicians (like my husband) etc. (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 18:30:02 09/21/08 Sun Lord, MLOP! You score a 9.99 for that very informative answer!! (NT) -- TNBoy, 18:40:25 09/21/08 Sun I thought I heard that earlier this year Congress was considering legislation to give designers copyright protection.....whatever happened with that? If I re-worded the question to: "If you had the legal right to copyright your creations"........what would your answer be? (NT) -- Indy, 19:05:50 09/21/08 Sun I didn't hear anything about that, but when you look at fashion today, everything is a variation of each other. You have your basic shapes and build from there. Unlike music, art and writing, apparel design has narrower bases than other creative forms and at some point everyone will ruche, drap, dye, embrodier, rip, sew, and deconstruct in a similar fashion. In a field that prides itself on individuality, the reality is there is very little that hasn't been done. (NT) -- MLOP, 20:05:48 09/21/08 Sun I'm not an expert, but aren't designer handbags etc. protected? Like those purse parties where people think they are buying a Chanel handbag for $60! It always seemed so ridiculous to me. That's illegal isn't it? Not to buy it, I mean, but to sell it? Counterfeit? (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 20:12:59 09/21/08 Sun Now counterfitting is a whole difference category and I don't know how it intertwines with any sort of copyright laws. However, Louis Viuttone and other Europeans based designers have better legal aide availble to them given that there are laws in Europe to protect designers from counterfitting and fogery. Copywriting a particular design is hard in general though, like I was saying before, simply because the building blocks of fashion are the same for everyone and eventually everyone will come to similar conclusions. (NT) -- MLOP, 20:46:29 09/21/08 Sun Hey, I was glad to see the word "ruching" appear. It seems to be a sort of password/mantra on this site. LOVE it! (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 21:09:30 09/21/08 Sun Click In for a link to the article I was talking about (Congress considering copyright legislation) -- Indy, 17:25:58 09/23/08 Tue

Subject: Name Those Queens!
Author: R. Phellange [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:37:59 09/22/08 Mon It's time for another exciting game of name those queens: CLUES: 1. The eyes and eyebrows: From Miss America 2. The nose and cheeks: From Miss USA 3. The smile and everything else: From Miss Universe Have fun!
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1. Deidre Downs 2. Jill Gulseth 3. Dayanara Torres??? (NT) -- Mr. AL USA, 16:53:08 09/22/08 Mon I will be floored if you are not correct! WOW! (NT) -- MissMerlin, 16:59:29 09/22/08 Mon Mr. AL USA, you have 1 correct! (NT) -- R. Phellange, 17:09:10 09/22/08 Mon Darn! This is the funnest game ever! Keep 'em coming! (NT) -- Mr. AL USA, 17:20:39 09/22/08 Mon 1.) Deidre Downs 2.) Kandace Kruege 3.) Dayanara (NT) -- CT Queenie, 18:39:15 09/22/08 Mon #1 is def D Downs (NT) -- MK, 21:38:46 09/22/08 Mon Diedre Downs, Tara Conner and Natalie Glebova???? (NT) -- GMAN, 08:13:56 09/23/08 Tue Deidre Downs, Ali Landry, Dayannara (NT) -- Yo Yo Girl, 11:12:39 09/23/08 Tue Ooooh! You got 2 correct. One more! (NT) -- R. Phellange, 12:37:08 09/23/08 Tue Regina, for the record, I love you and hate you all at the same time! These really are amazing!!! :) (NT) -- MissMerlin, 13:36:00 09/23/08 Tue Diedre Downs, Shauntay Hinton, Natalie Glebova (NT) -- MissMerlin, 11:13:58 09/23/08 Tue Diedre Downs, Lu Parker, Lara Dutta. (NT) -- New York Guy, 11:32:22 09/23/08 Tue Hmm. Or let me guess Diedre Downs, Susie Castillo and Lara Dutta. (NT) -- New York Guy, 11:35:23 09/23/08 Tue OK, since finding this picture of Ali Landry (click in) I am convinced that is the second piece of the puzzle that Yo Yo Girl found. AND I JUST (mid writing this!) FOUND THE THIRD!!!! Denise Quinones!!!!!! Click in for pic! -- MissMerlin, 13:50:25 09/23/08 Tue you guys make my day! thanks for having the talent to put this together and the "time theft" ability. Missed you last night at chat Merlin! (NT) -- Virginia Girl, 14:59:14 09/23/08 Tue Click in for answer. For the record, what I'm doing right now is considered "time theft" since I'm doing this from my desk at work. I love my job. -- R. Phellange, 14:16:33 09/23/08 Tue Geez Regina, if anyone gives you a hard time about "time theft" please refer them to the 600 posts I have all over the internet today! I've never been so chatty! Oh, guess that's what I get for missing Pageant Chat last night. Curses!!!! (NT) -- MissMerlin, 14:20:46 09/23/08 Tue Thanks R. Phellange! That was so fun. Can't wait for the next one! (NT) -- Mr. AL USA, 15:43:41 09/23/08 Tue Wow -- the nose goes to show that it's the sum of parts that works, because I think if you were to ask someone if that nose would be on the face of one of the most beautiful women in the world, I'm not sure how many people would say yes. Or maybe it's just that the nose doesn't look so great in this combination! (NT) -- New York Guy - my nose wouldn't look any better, 16:12:24 09/23/08 Tue Could tell they were Deidre's eyes, but I did not even realize she wore her eyebrows that horrible way. (NT) -- ., 16:18:29 09/23/08 Tue

Subject: MLOP - This is the "Victory Dance" I expect to see when you win!
Author: Giggles [Edit]	Date Posted: 09:16:43 09/23/08 Tue

Subject: Vanessa Willaims
Author: Andres [Edit]	Date Posted: 20:36:10 09/21/08 Sun E! just interviewed Vanessa on the red carpet(she's a best supporting actress nominee again this year)and she looked fantastic!
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LOVE her. She was my fave. She was Miss A during my competition years. I was told I looked like her during my first year at state! (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 21:10:32 09/21/08 Sun click in for her pic tonight in Los Angeles-----> -- TNBoy, 21:13:20 09/21/08 Sun This woman is seriously starting to piss me off! Twenty years from now, we'll all look like bits of old hoof, and there will be Vanessa.....standing on the red carpet.....still looking fabulous and grinning at us. Grrrrrr (NT) -- Indy(love her!), 21:31:06 09/21/08 Sun Flawless (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 21:42:30 09/21/08 Sun Vanessa is a goddess, but was I the only one who was overall disappointed in this year's red carpet fashions? I liked Vanessa, Jennifer Love Hewitt (minus the hair, which I like in general, but not with this dress) and my winner of the evening, Christina Applegate. (NT) -- MissMerlin, 22:47:55 09/21/08 Sun 2nd that MissMerlin - I was thrilled for Christina! What a positive message to send to all women! (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 23:52:36 09/21/08 Sun I agree Miss Merlin - It would of been nice if they moved away from strapless gowns - I expect Hollywood to be forward thinking and most of the gowns were ones you could find in any high-end shop - I did love Christina Applegate along with Brook Shields - VERY old Hollywood glam and of course Julia Louis in a color (orange) you don't see very often on the red carpet... (NT) -- GMAN, 07:36:48 09/22/08 Mon If I saw one more bow, draped mumu or strapless dress I was going to die! Having since seen more pictures though, I do have a few more that I liked: Mary Tyler Moore, Heidi Klum & Mariska Hargitay (both of whom redeemed the "draped" look for me), Brooke Shields (not a huge fan of the dress, but her overall look was outstanding), Sandra Oh, Marcia Cross (wish the gown was full-length), and finally Olivia Wilde (who should RUN to Utah and show those ladies who feel they must wear sleeves how it's done). Click in for some pics--------> -- MissMerlin, 09:13:01 09/22/08 Mon I liked Sally Fields. For a tiny woman, she was able to pull off an Edwardian look without it appearing too costumey! (NT) -- Patricia Gentry, 09:42:20 09/22/08 Mon Duh! I just realized I didn't include pic of my original Top 3! Click in for Vanessa Williams, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and Christina Applegate -------> -- MissMerlin, 11:18:51 09/22/08 Mon I was so proud of Jean Smart for winning an Emmy for Best Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series!!! Yeah!!! (NT) -- Mr. AL USA, 08:06:22 09/22/08 Mon Have you guys watched the "Fashion Police" episode? The unanimously hated Jennifer Love Hewitt's whole look, including gown (she was one of my Top 5). They were a bit mixed on Christina Applegate, whom I also loved. I wasn't thrilled with Marcia Cross's gown. I liked the idea of the gown more than the gown itself (maybe in a different color?). They loved Mariska Hargitay, who did look stunning. I am very ambivalent about Vanessa's gown. I initially hated it, then sort of liked it and am now back to not being that thrilled about it. A bit too gimmicky for me, as was Eva Longoria. Kristin Chenowith was also a stunner. (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 07:47:06 09/23/08 Tue Christina Applegate owned it!!! The dress was gorgeous and her hair/make up was stunning. It was such a great way for her to make her entrance after all she went through and as an advocate of a disease that is aking away so many of our mothers, daughters, sisters, and friends...ewww I started to get a little patty there. (NT) -- Fannie Pack, 07:50:44 09/23/08 Tue

Subject: Just had to let the board know - today I entered a new phase of life - I am now a Grandmama!!! Our precious one entered the world today this afternoon at a robust 8 lbs. She is healthy, perfect and my first baby (the mama) is doing great. Dad is about to bust at the seams and my second baby (our family patty) has all kinds of plans for her!
Author: Oklahomie (God is good and life is grand!) [Edit]	Date Posted: 23:46:14 09/21/08 Sun
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congratulations! (NT) -- Andres, 00:40:00 09/22/08 Mon Congratulations!!! (NT) -- MissMerlin, 08:50:35 09/22/08 Mon Congratulations! (NT) -- Aida, 12:01:39 09/22/08 Mon From one Meemaw to another, congratulations, homie! (NT) -- Meemaw, 17:49:40 09/22/08 Mon Congrats! Enjoy! (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 18:41:04 09/22/08 Mon

Subject: Wear it or Burn it?
Author: What do you think? [Edit]	Date Posted: 18:13:41 09/18/08 Thu
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It's not the dress I'm concerned about. It's the fact this person appears to be made out of vinyl. (NT) -- Patricia Gentry, 18:47:41 09/18/08 Thu I was slowly scrolling down and was like "Why is this dress even nominated?.... Oh" Eh, I'd still probably wear it over a lot of the "burn it or wear it" options! (it is my color!) (NT) -- RockyGirl, 19:37:57 09/18/08 Thu Doesn't work for me........<sigh> (NT) -- TNBoy, 20:13:39 09/18/08 Thu I'm with RG. (NT) -- [><], 20:50:07 09/18/08 Thu BURN IT, AND GIVE THIS GIRL POWDER. (NT) -- pageant junkie, 23:41:51 09/18/08 Thu First I would burn the shoes-I just hate clear shoes..then I would burn the dress and tell this girl about hairstyles without roots (NT) -- Andres, 23:45:33 09/18/08 Thu BURN THE HOUSE DOWN! (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 00:40:55 09/19/08 Fri Oh dear, it's another one o' them seaweed dresses. (NT) -- New York Guy, 00:46:41 09/19/08 Fri I remember this one! Ashley made top 10 at Miss South Carolina wearing it for evening gown. This is a dreadful picture of her. She really is a pretty young lady. (NT) -- Burn it!! We all hated the dress!!!, 23:09:13 09/19/08 Fri I'm with RockyGirl. I did a slow scroll and liked until the "Under the Sea" ending. It's my color though. (NT) -- webby - the PacNW gal, 08:34:50 09/21/08 Sun Seriously, all the exces fabric can come off and I'd really like this gown. There was no reason to do overkill and it looks easy enough to take apart, (NT) -- MLOP, 16:01:52 09/21/08 Sun who is the designer? (NT) -- looks like Kayne, 08:11:22 09/22/08 Mon taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacky. but I don't like shiny satin dresses and I don't like turqouise kleenex (NT) -- Miss Edtheboat, 16:24:44 09/22/08 Mon same girl different dress - big improvement -- What do you think?, 17:41:04 09/22/08 Mon yah!! (NT) -- Miss Edtheboat, 17:57:56 09/22/08 Mon I would burn this, even without looking at those godawful tissue trails, it still looks cheap. (NT) -- Meemaw, 17:45:26 09/22/08 Mon click in the message above to see the same girl in a different dress (NT) -- is it an improvement?, 17:49:11 09/22/08 Mon

Subject: Wisconsin USA Fierceness!
Author: IndyJeff [Edit]	Date Posted: 01:07:59 09/18/08 Thu My Top 3 favorites for the title of Miss Wisconsin USA 2009! Alisa Prochaska, Daosamay Sitdamlong, and Brigid Mullen! Speaking of Brigid Mullen.......umm, WOW...
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WOW!!! I am full of envy!!!!That's the kind of beauty you're just born with. (NT) -- Fannie Pack, 08:24:37 09/18/08 Thu Alisa has something about her....I'm drawn to her. (NT) -- Mr. AL USA, 11:23:45 09/18/08 Thu If your assets sag that much...suport them! (NT) -- Ms support, 15:50:22 09/18/08 Thu I wish my assets were that saggy! (NT) -- I'd take those any day over my own!, 16:49:08 09/18/08 Thu I don't see sag... I see REAL. It's not like she her boob has turned into a pancake-esque form that would collect sweat between her lady and her ribcage. (NT) -- RockyGirl, 19:42:30 09/18/08 Thu I would support the second girl for the title, but she sits too damned long. (NT) -- BamaMan, 11:31:04 09/20/08 Sat That was funny. Maybe a reference to her "throne"? (NT) -- tourist, 15:01:29 09/20/08 Sat Alexandra Wehrley won Miss, Elizabeth Bryson won Teen (NT) -- Great job!, 20:42:20 09/21/08 Sun Thank you for letting us know the outcome! Not a great picture of the Miss winner, certainly not ugly by any means, but so many others stood out, at least in photos. (NT) -- Meemaw, 17:28:21 09/22/08 Mon

Subject: IndyPoll: Is It A Pageant Gown?
Author: IndyJeff [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:25:44 09/21/08 Sun Pictured here is a gown from a recent runway show. Do you consider it pageant stage worthy?
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This gown is very close to Rachels USA and Universe gown While I hate the bulky sleeves I believe on the right girl it would be ready (NT) -- Pageantnut, 16:41:51 09/21/08 Sun If I was 5'11" and 95lbs I would rock the heck out of this at Miss USA...but my boy chest and little Jlo booty would not allow it (NT) -- Fannie Pack..totally thinking the right girl could wear it, 16:44:50 09/21/08 Sun Click in -- Patricia Gentry, 20:03:09 09/21/08 Sun huge difference--perfect! Now I like it (NT) -- Miss Edtheboat, 16:22:06 09/22/08 Mon If I lived in Europe -- especially eastern -- yes. (NT) -- New York Guy, 12:32:09 09/22/08 Mon If you lived in Eastern Europe you would wear a gown? (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 14:12:09 09/22/08 Mon Touche my friend... (NT) -- HakiSak, 17:25:45 09/22/08 Mon

Subject: I wondered when there would finally be a pageant related political cartoon!
Author: TNBoy [Edit]	Date Posted: 09:24:10 09/20/08 Sat
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Gotta luv this lady. Kickin the boy's in the ass! (NT) -- , 10:43:22 09/20/08 Sat* Kickin' the boy's what in the ass? (NT) -- New York Guy (perhaps this is too subtle...), 13:07:12 09/20/08 Sat Nope...I got it. LOL. And I'll add.....this woman SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARES me. (NT) -- John - Lives in WA, 00:02:38 09/21/08 Sun I shouldn't get all political here, but if McCain dies in office, this will be yor president. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 14:02:29 09/21/08 Sun Thank goodness! Someone who can't be bought. (NT) -- Glad to see that everyone is on board! ;), 14:03:37 09/21/08 Sun Not from my vote. (NT) -- John - Lives in WA, 14:08:39 09/21/08 Sun I wonder if Lana Buchberger needs a roommate. Call me, Lana! I'll put up with all your phony answers and wacky cliches! (NT) --