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Subject: This is embarrassing!

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Date Posted: Monday, December 13, 02:26:28pm

Average attendence per game 2010 (from official NCAA stats)

Slippery Rock (DII) 4,696
Allegheny (DIII) 4,304
Kutztown (DII) 4,261
Mount Union (DIII) 4,079
Bloomsburg (DII) 4,003
Clarion (DII) 3,917
Gettysburg (DIII) 3,867
California (DII) 3,508
Edinboro (DII) 3,489
Shippensburg (DII) 3,475
West Chester (DII) 3,394
Ursinus (DIII) 3,025
Indiana (DII) 2,840
Muhlenberg (DIII) 2,742
Millersville (DII) 2,730
East Stroudsburg (DII) 2,400
Westminster (DIII) 2,270
Franklin & Marshall (DIII) 2,208
Moravian (DIII) 2,122
Washington & Jefferson (DIII) 2,007
Carnegie Mellon (DIII) 1,957 (just down the road in Pittsburgh!)
King's (DIII) 1,849
Lincoln (DII) 1,830
Lebanon Valley (DIII) 1,821
Lycoming (DIII) 1,674

Duquesne 2009 - 1,274 LAST IN DI FCS... DEAD LAST
Duquesne 2008 - 1,664
Duquesne 2007 - 2,104 only 4 home games
Duquesne 2006 - 1,843
Duquesne 2005 - 3,493 only 4 home games
Duquesne 2004 - ?
Duquesne 2003 - 3,677 with ECAC Bowl


This is embarrassing.

The Duquesne administration not only does a very poor job of promoting student attendence at the football games, but in some cases actively works against students attending the games.

Examples: On September 11 (the Dayton game), a Freshman trip to the zoo and aquarium were scheduled in direct competition with the football game.

On October 16 (the Sacred Heart game), numerous events were scheduled for Freshman Parent Weekend in direct competition with the football game.

I know that I'm new here, and this has probably been batted around before, but...

What can be done? Anything? Who's got ideas (that can actually be implemented)?

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Date Posted: Monday, December 13, 10:20:08pm

This has been a topic in the past. The athletic department, to be fair has implemented some ideas from past discussions such as pushing for the games on radio and building permanent stands but seems to lack a vision of how to attract fans.

First, they built the smallest stadium in the nation. If you don't build it, they will not come. Its embarrassing bringing friends to this field no matter how well the Dukes play. Its not a collegiate atmosphere. We don't need Beaver Stadium, but we couldn't even keep Central Catholic on campus.

Second, they declared war on the marching band and auxiliaries, giving away thousands of dollars in uniforms and band equipment. These kids attract others and feed the atmosphere and can take it away.

There are other things they could do with tailgating on Bluff Street and not scheduling Valpo, but the first two in my opinion are hard to overcome.

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Date Posted: Monday, December 13, 11:29:50pm

Did you notice that our current field doesn't even hold enough people to contain the average attendance in '03 and '05 and that attendance actually declined after the rebuilding project? Yes we have bathrooms, but otherwise, not enough seats where it counts.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 12:27:58am

Another main problem is that The two local Major papers do not distinguish Duquesne football from D3 schools. A little more than a paragraph under District roundup is needed for publicity on a regular basis. Also there are never any promotions for the students and I think night football would help. There is no reason for the Robert Morris game next year not to be at night or on a Thursday night. The players and program are here and we have a product that is getting better...........same ole same ole marketing gotta go!!!!!

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Duke from way back
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 09:34:53am

I'm not new here and you will ask that question over and over again until you just resign to the facts in disgust. The opinion of people like you and me means nothing to the people who make the decisions. When alumni with money make huge donations and make football and those issues important then they will become important. I know siblings of players who live in the dorms who didn't even bother and the sad thing about it is, contrary to some who believe otherwise, there is a market here for good 1-AA football and a lot of local pride in Duquesne.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 01:13:46pm


I can only repeat what I told you in our phone conversation and echo the thoughts of the posters here. I have tried contacting people to suggest workable improvements, I have tried volunteering to make improve things (fundraising for when the marching band was cut), I have tried screaming and yelling from the roof tops. Nothing works.

They do what they want to do and when they want to do it, with very little tolerance for input from fans.

This is the classic case of an extremely disfunctional organization. For every suggestion you make --- they are prepared with an excuse for why it can not be done; rather than looking for ways to get it done.

And it transcends football....look at the basketball boards and the nearly three years of begging, fighting complaining, and suggesting that has been done to get simple audio on an internet broadcast. Year after year, suggestion after suggestion, fight after fight....nothing is done. But they are prepared with 100s of reasons why it can't be done.

All this has done has made me angry, and now I am constant fodder for trolls who like to take digs at me.

I don't know how other alumni/fan groups feel about their administations except for one - RMU. I have friends that are RMU supporters and there is no harsh feelings between the alumni/supporter and the athletic administration.

And the people you see posting these thoughts are the fans of these programs, the people that pay money to support try and support DU.

Really, the only thing to do is live with it and don't let it drive you crazy.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 08:50:54pm

Don't give up the ship man. Its good to see at least some others out there with passion for the program. The sorry thing is that the administration is in a state where they don't believe enough in the program to imagine something bigger.

You wouldn't believe the lack of vision even in trying to get a trophy for the Duquesne Robert Morris game. I'd like to meet some day for lunch with with Judge Jack and a few of you folks to just do this ourselves. We raise a few bucks for the department's scholarship fund and award the trophy next year. The Big 10 to our "Legends" Name!

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