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Subject: 1st Runners up Who should ( or you wish) had won
Author: curious [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:55:44 05/30/17 Tue Can you name any? I can truly say Michelle Arnette 2003 Morgan High 1999 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Morgan Woolard (NT) -- QueenE, 21:16:52 05/30/17 Tue Kelly Lea Anderson and (NT) -- Brenda Denton, 22:29:38 05/30/17 Tue Bridget V ( when Lynette Cole won) (NT) -- betty, 01:41:34 05/31/17 Wed taryn mansell, miriam quiambao, mary margaret mccord, patricia rodriguez, morgan woolard, kurara chibana.. to name a few. and yanina gonzalez, although jhawk will always be my number one (NT) -- dink, 03:25:44 05/31/17 Wed Ahhh Taryn Mansell! Absolutely loved the top three in 1996. It was hard to deny Alicia Machado, but I thought Taryn was just superb. (NT) -- HelloTeddy, 06:12:16 05/31/17 Wed You must be blind. She was hideous and had no business being in the semis. Those thunder thighs and that hideous cheap-looking bridesmaid gown -- just awful! USA should've been in Top 3 instead of Aruba. (NT) -- melanie, 03:12:44 06/02/17 Fri And Ali didn't have thunder thighs? (NT) -- ., 06:54:44 06/02/17 Fri Ali wasn't ugly. (NT) -- Heller, 13:23:31 06/02/17 Fri i liked Taryn better too and was it lola? the 2 ru (NT) -- betty, 18:25:03 06/16/17 Fri Danielle Boatwright 1996 (NT) -- no name, 07:54:21 05/31/17 Wed Danielle could have won but that night belonged to Ali. Like Shandi at Miss Universe, Danielle couldn't have done anything more and still placed 1st runner up. (NT) -- Vegas, 11:05:20 05/31/17 Wed I disagree with that. Danielle just started to come across as REALLY insecure, bobbing her head forwards and backwards and looked like her nerves were pulling her apart. If she was 10x more confident and less "little girl" from the moment she finished her final answer to the end, the rankings may have tipped in her favor. (NT) -- Broccoli (nsi), 08:33:55 06/13/17 Tue The biggest debate of them all. Shauna vs Shawnae in 1998. Shauna should have won but Shawnae was a great Miss USA. Shauna later went on to place in the top 10 at Miss World 1998. (NT) -- Vegas, 11:04:04 05/31/17 Wed Shauna and her awful nosejob was not going to cut it at Universe. (NT) -- Oyoy, 03:14:13 06/02/17 Fri Ironically i thought Shawnae did better at universe than Shauna would have. Shauna would have easily been top 10 but if I recall no blondes made the top 10 that year at universe? (NT) -- Vegas, 00:56:13 06/05/17 Mon Russia, Anna Malova was the only blonde in Universe 1998's top 10. (NT) -- Anon-ie, 14:41:28 06/23/17 Fri I honestly thought Ylianna should have won the year Olivia Jordan did. (NT) -- She is so gorgeous!, 11:33:51 05/31/17 Wed Agree with Ylianna (NT) -- Lee, 11:52:49 05/31/17 Wed I adore Ylianna, but she wasn't on that night. 2015 is the only year where my final top (until the start of the broadcast) made the top 2. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 23:58:08 06/05/17 Mon Nana Meriwether!!! (NT) -- Nomvimbi, 13:02:12 05/31/17 Wed But Olivia is gorgeous and went on to Miss Universe, and Nana was average during her reign time. (NT) -- ???!!!, 21:59:52 05/31/17 Wed Nana was horrible as Miss USA but Olivia was an even worse Miss Universe. (NT) -- Vegas, 19:40:55 06/10/17 Sat Pat Southall (94), Danielle Boatwright (96), Lindsay Douglas (02), Audra Mari (14) (NT) -- Gonzo, 13:11:47 05/31/17 Wed Lindsey Douglas - YES. BIG NO to the other on your list. (NT) -- tttt, 03:15:15 06/02/17 Fri Totally agree with Pat Southall! (NT) -- Griffin, 10:56:38 06/18/17 Sun For Teen: Angela Logan (92), Patricia Campbell (96), Audra Mari (11). I actually think Teen has gotten it right most of the time. (NT) -- Gonzo, 13:17:42 05/31/17 Wed whitney Fuller 94 anyone else in Katies year and Camie (NT) -- betty, 15:56:22 05/31/17 Wed Michelle Arnette, Candace Brown. (NT) -- ghrtte, 16:35:34 05/31/17 Wed Ylianna Guerra in 2015 (NT) -- Queen p, 17:15:52 05/31/17 Wed So agree with Michelle Arnette (NT) -- pageant pearl, 17:44:30 05/31/17 Wed Shauna Versus Shawnae : The judges were suppose to look at the overall presentation of the contestant and Shawnae outshined Shauna in every way. (NT) -- no name, 18:35:03 05/31/17 Wed MISS USA - Jill Scheffert, Candace Brown, Erin Nance, Pat Southall, Morgan High, Michelle Arnette, Amanda Pennekamp, Tomiko Nash, Morgan Woolard (NT) -- CPA, 18:43:43 05/31/17 Wed Tamiko Nash and Brittany Hogan (NT) -- MadeYaLook (NSI), 22:24:41 05/31/17 Wed WV 84, NM 85,TN 99 (NT) -- fan, 01:23:12 06/01/17 Thu For Miss Universe: TERESA SANCHEZ (1985), ROBERTA CAPUA (1987), CAROL GIST (1990), PAULINA HUIZINGA (1991), PAULA BETTANCOURT (1993), MANPREET BRAR (1995), VERUSKA RAMIREZ (1998), CYNTHIA OLAVARRIA (2005), ADA DE LA CRUZ (2009), PATRICIA RODRIGUEZ (2013), ARIADNA GUTIERREZ (2015) (NT) -- Gigi Hadidn't, 02:05:01 06/01/17 Thu SPAIN over PUERTO RICO for Miss Universe 1985. (NT) -- MuscleHeart, 02:50:55 06/01/17 Thu Click in for my entirely TOO LONG of a rundown on State, TUSA, USA & Universe should have been picks -- latestart (nsi), 03:02:06 06/01/17 Thu Ylianna Guerra. (NT) -- And instead we got probaby the least facially attractive and the most patty Miss USA in history., 04:21:28 06/01/17 Thu Oh, yes..... (NT) -- So true, 22:13:17 06/02/17 Fri I can tell this is a young audience on this site now as nobody has mentioned Miss Universe 1970. Lol... (NT) -- John O., 06:03:36 06/01/17 Thu In 2013, I really thought MMM was going to win (even though I love Erin Brady) I was shocked she actually won that year. Mary Margaret had the most flawless presentation. -- Fan, 06:55:56 06/01/17 Thu New Jersey this year. She NAILED both her answers. Honestly two of the best answers in the history of pageants. While Kara fed up twice. (NT) -- Anyone still believes Kara wasn't chosen well in advance?, 08:35:01 06/01/17 Thu* Lots of people in the audience that night picked DC to win from the very beginning of the pageant, including myself. (NT) -- ICEMAN, 08:49:19 06/01/17 Thu Iceman's happy with the results, all's fine in the world (NT) -- Many people noticed DC was hand-picked to win from the very beginning of the pageant too., 11:06:01 06/01/17 Thu Wow... Happy I have so much influence. (NT) -- ICEMAN, 11:22:53 06/01/17 Thu Who caresICEMAN? A reader of this board posted their opinion to a posted subject. No need to jump in and give your two cents worth just to condradict them. (NT) -- fan, 11:32:44 06/01/17 Thu If you read back the original post, the OP asked a question. I answered it. This board is for meaningful dialogue. I'm can post a follow up to a comment from someone else, even if it is the 8,468th time they post it. (NT) -- ICEMAN, 16:24:12 06/01/17 Thu He can't help himself...He lives to put down on here and the LA MAO board. (NT) -- Nayab, 11:10:16 06/02/17 Fri I agree with the poster, NJ's was in my pre pageant top 5 DC never made it in my top ten. They kept heavy hitters out on purpose like Arkansas, Nevada, and Utah so DC would win. It was rigged. Tenn was her only threat, but so much emphasis was put on Diversity, it was clear they didn't want a white girl. (NT) -- IHP, 11:49:51 06/01/17 Thu Mary margrot mccord in miss usa 2013 should have won seriously. (NT) -- Ghassan ali, 08:56:08 06/01/17 Thu Not with that bad swimsuit. (NT) -- Mary lost too much weight from her state pageant., 12:30:10 06/01/17 Thu huh? even a blind person can tell that MMM was smoldering hot in SS. She was outstanding and should've won that night. (NT) -- wake up from your nightmare. sorry MMM beat you at state, 16:35:03 06/08/17 Thu Beautiful face, lousy SS. (NT) -- so there!, 18:12:43 06/09/17 Fri she has a hot bod and everyone - but you - thought so too. but then you're gay so what do you know about hot women. (NT) -- she should've won USA and would've done better at mu, 22:44:43 06/09/17 Fri She lost a LOT of weight from state to nationals---her bones were sticking out for Gods sakes. But even that didn't compare to her overall nervousness that she expressed on stage in Vegas---very tentative performance. And thank you for demonstrating your gay-hating for everyone to see. (NT) -- LOL, 12:44:50 06/10/17 Sat The two of you need to sTFU with your back-and-forth about Mare Margaret. She is an absolutely gorgeous lady and her body is to die for. Most of us wish we look like her. End of story. (NT) -- Some bitter twits just can't stop being bitter., 16:48:35 06/10/17 Sat STFU yourself. (NT) -- LOL, 12:35:53 06/11/17 Sun MU: Deborah Shelton, Judith Castillo, Judi Andersen, Teresa Sanchez, Carole Gist, Carolina Gomez, Miriam Quiambao, Claudia Moreno, Evelina Papantoniou, Patricia Rodriguez. Miss USA: Alberta Phillips, Kevin Gale, Tracey Goddard, Lisa Allred, Kelly Anderson, Halle Berry, Diana Magana, Patricia Southall, Danielle Boatwright, Morgan High, Audra Mari, Chelsea Hardin. My picks are based from the years I've seen MU/Miss USA either broadcast or online. (NT) -- Basketball Fan, 15:00:09 06/01/17 Thu Morgan Woolard (NT) -- Dman, 16:02:19 06/01/17 Thu Leah Laviano, Morgan Woolard, Ylianna Guerra, Chelsea Hardin, Chhavi Verg. I would add MMM if she didn't have such a bad final answer. (NT) -- What really worries me is that the last THREE YEARS 1RUs were head and shoulders above the winner - and NO IDEA how they lost., 03:47:37 06/02/17 Fri I agree with all of them except Leah. I didn't see how she made it that far. But Crystle was miles ahead of everyone, like Rachel Smith was year prior. (NT) -- LLL, 22:15:32 06/02/17 Fri Yeah, I don't understand how Leah made it that far - but how Crystle made it, I understand EVEN LESS. (NT) -- I had Crystle ranked in the bottom 10., 05:37:00 06/03/17 Sat Well, then that's just foolish... (NT) -- Yawn, 20:58:43 06/09/17 Fri Why foolish? Beauty is subjective (NT) -- and I don't think Crystle is beautiful, 14:23:37 06/10/17 Sat 2006 Tamiko Nash!!! Even Tara Thought She had won I felt bad for her, Not sure what the judges saw in Tara she's the only one that i can remember that almost lost her crown (NT) -- no name, 07:29:51 06/02/17 Fri I find it interesting that when people gripe about MMM not winning in 2013, they rarely if ever mention her swimsuit competition where her bones were sticking out of her ribcage and when she turned around her butt disappeared. If u don't believe me go back and check your DVRs or tapes. (NT) -- ??, 09:36:24 06/02/17 Fri Miss Alabama Pamela Flowers in 1975. (NT) -- Lost to Summer., 13:16:46 06/02/17 Fri Daniele Lacourse but Rachel had it in the bag before it began. I loved Chhavi. I thought she was hot. DC wasn't a bad choice though. She was the most natural. (NT) -- possum, 21:38:23 06/02/17 Fri For me it begins and ends with Kelly Lea Anderson!! (NT) -- Buckeye, 21:43:48 06/04/17 Sun Chhavi Verg - I really thought she would win after both her interview answers. (NT) -- Mel, 09:56:59 06/05/17 Mon 2002 Lyndsay Douglass Miss Kansas, And whoever the runner up was to Rima Fakiah 2010 (NT) -- NT, 15:31:20 06/05/17 Mon Miss Universe: 1975 Gerthie David (yeah, I said it); 1985 Teresa Sanchez (with the lovely Benita M. Tete of Zaire as her 1st R Up); 1990 Carole Gist; 1993 Paula Betencourt (I HATE Dayanara); 2000 Claudia Mareno; 2001 Not Puerto Rico; 2012 Philippines; and 2014 Nia. (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 12:19:05 06/08/17 Thu Olivia Culpo will always be light years more beautiful than fugly Togonon (NT) -- Olivia deserved it., 14:15:24 06/08/17 Thu Olivia is beautiful, no doubt. But, Janine was regal. Janine was flawless in evening gown (without a single trip-up), nailed swimsuit, and owned the interview. I am certainly not upset that Olivia won. But, Janine was my choice for the crown. (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 15:19:59 06/09/17 Fri janine's gown was hideous, with those nasty electric pleats. her swimsuit body was one of the worse, especially with that midsection. watch that pageant again bcoz I think you got the wrong girl. (NT) -- open your eyes, 09:31:15 06/17/17 Sat I totally agree that Gerthie David should have won Miss Universe! Her face was so exotic and beautiful that I could see her wearing that Miss Universe crown and being the first Black Miss Universe. I'm sure some people would have had a problem with her winning, but, with her personality and beauty she would have won them over. Also, I believe Miss Zaire 1985 Benita Mureka Tete should have won Miss Universe. Another exotic, beautiful face. She would have been the first Black African to win. (NT) -- Those beautiful, unforgettable faces!!!, 15:15:33 06/08/17 Thu I was rooting for Sweden in MU1975. No to Haiti. Though I was glad that someone like Haiti was recognized, it is ridiculous that she advanced to the Top 5 over England. (NT) -- melanie, 23:00:26 06/08/17 Thu Really, Sweden? She looked like a little boy who couldn't walk. Gerthie was a woman and beautiful. I agree England should have been in the top five! (NT) -- beautiful faces, 02:10:14 06/09/17 Fri I'm happy Haiti made it but to think she was more beautiful than anyone in that Top 5 just discounts you as an expert on beauty. (NT) -- Get real, 16:50:06 06/10/17 Sat I completely agree about those beautiful faces!!! I was also captivated by Benita's hair. It added to everything that made her fascinating. (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 15:23:52 06/09/17 Fri Miss USA: 1980 Jineane Ford (no need to call the National Guard on me. I simply think that Ford did a good job and that Shawn is a little bit over-rated. Things still worked out as Shawn won Universe and Ford got the USA title after all); 1987 Cloe Cabrera; 1991 Not Kelli; 1994 Pat Southall; 1999 Morgan High; 2003 Michelle Arnette (though my fav was Beth Hood); 2005 WTF; and 2007 Danielle Lacourse (Rachel was sooooo over scored). (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 12:31:31 06/08/17 Thu 1985 Halle Berry Although she didnt need Miss USA to become sucessful (NT) -- no name, 15:26:22 06/08/17 Thu MU: Kurara Chibana 06, Miriam Quiambao 98, Mariangel Ruiz (03), Greece 2001, Italy 1987 (NT) -- Teen: Texas 2000, Tennessee 06 (Alicia Selby), 18:35:10 06/08/17 Thu Teen: 96, 02, 03, 04. Miss: 94, 96, 98, 01, 04, 06, 13, and 15. Universe: 93, 96, 97, 01, 02, 06, 08, 09, 10, 12, and 13. (NT) -- ., 19:08:02 06/08/17 Thu Gina Ann Cassandra Swainson was amazing.. miss world prove to be a fair contest.. the Venezuelan (NT) -- John, 05:03:47 06/09/17 Fri I know things happen for a reason and things ought to be where they are. This said, the ones who I really think should have won (since I started watching in 1977) are the following: Julie Hayek (USA 83), Teresa Sanchez (Spain 85), Roberta Capua (Italy 87), Miriam Quiambao (Philippines 99), Patricia Rodriquez (Spain 13), Shauna Gambill (California 98), Morgan High (Tennessee 99), Lindsay Douglas (Kansas 02), Michelle Arnette (Alabama 03), Brittany Hogan (California 05), Morgan Woolard (Oklahoma 10), Chelsea Hardin (Hawaii 15), and Lexi Atkins (Teen Illinois 10). (NT) -- IMHO, 18:27:54 06/10/17 Sat Philippines $ (NT) -- Janine Tugonon, 00:42:07 06/14/17 Wed Teen 1995 Maine should have won over Keylee sue sanders and 94 GA Whitney should have won over Shauna (NT) -- no name, 15:09:03 06/15/17 Thu I'd also add Illinois (Autumn Waterbury) over Tennessee in 97. (NT) -- , 13:06:01 06/16/17 Fri* Autumn Waterbury should have tried Miss USA TN had it won with the on stage interview pretending to be a broadcaster (NT) -- old school, 17:50:58 06/16/17 Fri Autumn Waterbury tried for IL USA once, for the 2000 IL USA title, and placed in the top 10. (NT) -- Anon-ie, 18:50:18 06/16/17 Fri she did and she was way better than the person who won. She would have placed at usa that year (NT) -- betty, 13:36:55 06/17/17 Sat Had Autumn made it to USA 2000 she would have given Lynette Cole and run for the $ Never understood New Hampshire placement as 1st runner up (NT) -- old school, 07:03:36 06/18/17 Sun I agree about Ner Hampshire. Her hair looked like it hadnt been washed in a week and that curtain for a gown. I recall everyone on here freaking out how amazing she was. I never understood the appeal. (NT) -- washington mom, 10:02:29 06/18/17 Sun 2000 was a crazy year. Such an injustice to the girls who played by the rules then the girl who broke the rules won! Lots of headscratchers that year! (NT) -- ME, 07:24:39 06/19/17 Mon I know, everyone had to go makeupless and flat haired, but then came Lynette Cole all done up in Patty Goo and guess what, she won! I don't blame her, home gurl deserved it right from her state crowning, we all knew she was going to place, if not win it all, and she did, patty good and all. (NT) -- Anon-ie, 14:11:56 06/19/17 Mon Of the top 10 in 2000 I'd say TN, AL, GA, KS, SC, CO were strong all around; I understand how NH, IA, NY & MI each made it as well...I really wish MO & OK had made the cut, I know they both placed honorable mention, but I think they would have added some better competition to finals night. (NT) -- Anon-ie, 14:18:54 06/19/17 Mon Will never forget AL getting a jawdropping 9.93 for a simple, black Pamela Dennis gown.She beat TN in eve gown she should have placed 1st not NH (NT) -- no name, 14:33:47 06/19/17 Mon Considering AL's Pamela Dennis gown was nothing to write home about, I consider her quite lucky to have been over-scored in that segment. (NT) -- Satan's choice: Plain Pamela Dennis giwn, 05:37:38 06/26/17 Mon

Subject: Make Pageants Great Again
Author: Old timer [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:45:29 06/24/17 Sat Six easy steps... 1. Pageants do not need to be "relevant." They need to be fun. Most things that people do for fun (skateboarding, rugby, baking,...) are fun exactly because they are not relevant. 2. Take the judging and scoring seriously. Spend a minute of each broadcast explaining how the judging/scoring works. If there must be a fan vote, tell us how it works and who won. 3. Focus on the contestants, not side shows. Every contestant should at least be allowed the time to say her name during intros. 4. Each contestant's appearance in the swimsuit and evening gown portions should last long enough that the judges and the audience have a chance to evaluate them (see #2 and #3 above). 5. No one cares about Miss Wisconsin's plan for fighting terrorism, so don't ask her. 6. Before worrying about attracting new fans, make sure you keep the existing ones. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Agree with all except #5' (NT) -- QueenE, 16:35:49 06/24/17 Sat I like #6. (NT) -- WilliamNYC, 16:44:43 06/24/17 Sat Haha! Number 5 is so funny! (NT) -- Good point !, 17:20:36 06/24/17 Sat We already know this won't happen because the people in charge are just trying to keep their revenues up and their costs down. It is just a business to them - nothing more. Nothing will change unless they get a rich benefactor - which probably won't happen. (NT) -- Face it. Beauty is the last thing they care about. That said - I agree with all your points., 19:58:41 06/24/17 Sat show scores so we know it is legit. #5 say something fun about everyone. Let the judges do their job. Focus on beauty and substance; can they answer questions without sounding like a airhead (NT) -- betty, 23:32:03 06/24/17 Sat AMEN, AMEN! (NT) -- Tiki-Java, 23:49:02 06/24/17 Sat so. much. yes. (NT) -- dink, 05:08:10 06/26/17 Mon My biggest concern right now is the judging because this is what affects everything else. If rumors are true in that: 1) Lu Sierra is in charge of picking finalists, 2) Finalists are given a heads up on what their interview questions/final questions will be in advance (Nia Sanchez mentioned this in her Youtube review of Miss USA 2017) AND 3) One particular finalist's story is shoved down our throats more so than anyone else's, this means the entire pageant is rigged, the winner is predetermined, and we are all wasting our time with this shit-show. (NT) -- Satan's Choice: Sherri Hill dresses with exposed beige tippy tops, 05:32:35 06/26/17 Mon

Subject: Breaking: Philippines will not host 2017 Miss Universe pageant
Author: WilliamNYC [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:28:12 06/22/17 Thu Philippines claims is too soon to host since they just hosted last January. I just saw the video on seng12900.beautypageant on youtube. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It's too soon. I would wait at least five years. I think it should always be held at the outgoing queen's country. In this case, France. (NT) -- Good decision, 01:40:31 06/26/17 Mon that would be nifty! i think miss u should follow eurovision's route and just throw the darn shindig in the current winning country every year (NT) -- dink, 05:01:56 06/26/17 Mon This would mean the current winner's country would be obligated to pay millions on a shitty 3 hour production that doesn't even promote the country's culture that well. (NT) -- Which country is stupid enough to go for something like that besides the Philippines? lmao!, 05:27:03 06/26/17 Mon

Subject: Mister USB update
Author: gaj - Mister USB 2017 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:35:39 06/25/17 Sun Hi all, Mister USB here.... I am going to try and give some updates. I have had a rough few weeks. I never want to have to go to a friends child memorial ever again. I have been grieving for a few weeks and crying a lot today. Fentynol is a horrible thing and I am the "uncle" to someone who passed too soon. I want to do a much more positive post soon and I will...but I did want to share with you where I am at right now.... and it ain't great.... rest in peace Aaron! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Take care of you. The board will be here. (NT) -- ~, 11:41:31 06/25/17 Sun (NT) -- dink, 05:03:52 06/26/17 Mon

Subject: Teen USA
Author: pageantfan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:54:08 06/19/17 Mon Just saw that the teen contestant profiles have been updated on the Miss Teen USA website. What are your predictions? Thoughts so far on the snapchat takeovers? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Based on nothing but the pics I will say NC, CT, NV. (NT) -- We will see how close that is..., 17:35:20 06/19/17 Mon OMG!! Has anyone been watching the snapchat takeover?? I loved Connecticut Teen, she won me over with her ending in a face mask and the clap off with the light! so adorable <3 -- Litman432, 11:27:57 06/20/17 Tue What?? they're up?!! Thanks (NT) -- Georgiegirl, 13:10:16 06/20/17 Tue Connecticut's was delightful!!! (NT) -- !!!, 13:18:24 06/20/17 Tue Location -- .., 15:34:24 06/20/17 Tue I agree! Really liked CT! Refreshing very different from the snaps I've seen, the snaps have turned into contestants bragging about how wonderful they are, how smart, how charitable...blah blah, phony! CT didn't have makeup on and her hair done for her work out which was refreshing to see, and I loved her goodnight to! LMAO! I really enjoyed seeing her inner beauty and sense of humor, def a front runner for me (NT) -- Diasse2, 18:21:42 06/20/17 Tue I loved Arkansas. She showed as many different things about herself as possible. She started with no makeup and wwas very refreshing and hlarious. Her small town appeal was on point. . (NT) -- Snap, 21:39:59 06/20/17 Tue Pageant Spotlight has their top 20 already! Who are your favorites? (NT) -- MamaBear, 19:18:43 06/20/17 Tue . -- ., 21:31:09 06/20/17 Tue my faves are MO, TX, KY, AL, LA, & DC (NT) -- pageantfollower, 11:59:16 06/21/17 Wed My favs CA, PA, AL, SC, TX, NY, CA, MO, MA, NV, MS, and TN. My winner is CA (NT) -- Favorites, 10:18:36 06/21/17 Wed So today marks the first 10 Snapchats? Who is your favorite from the 10? Knowing Miss Teen will need to be a social media wiz who did it best so far? Who was real? Who was not? What did you like about any of the girls snapchats? (NT) -- Pageantguru, 00:39:32 06/22/17 Thu Arkansas was very genuine as well as DC, very impressed by DC's. (NT) -- the best, 11:52:59 06/22/17 Thu I didn't care for Arkansas (snapchat not the girl) DC I think is cute but too much talking dn too many clips of same thing or not relevant I felt, I don't like the constant talking answering questions, it's like they are trying to share every single favorite thing they like...Miss Teen USA Snapchat social media posts should be pertinent and applicable to the position. I feel less is more! Anyone else feel this way? (NT) -- Interested but Tired Viewer, 15:41:08 06/22/17 Thu My favs are AR, IA, SC, CA, NV, HI, TN, TX, VT (NT) -- Teens, 18:11:32 06/23/17 Fri Don't buy it -- Odd, 14:42:13 06/22/17 Thu I don't buy it either, no way IMG just took over and is doing away with the Teen division! (NT) -- NT, 17:30:21 06/22/17 Thu My Miss Teen USA Top 10: AZ, OH, TN, CT, HI, CA, OH, GA, MI, SC with Top 5 SC, CT, GA, OH, MI (NT) -- Starz88, 12:30:39 06/23/17 Fri Georgia is adorable and has a cute personality! (NT) -- Georgia peach, 16:49:48 06/23/17 Fri DC and Florida's Snapchat takeovers were by far my favorite. Delware was fresh and beautiful. FL and CA will be a force at this competition. -- When will the pageant be?, 14:52:42 06/24/17 Sat They will crown a black teen this year! (NT) -- Sorry white girls, diversity has taken over, 05:38:10 06/25/17 Sun Hopefully, they will crown the BEST girl. Regardless of race. (NT) -- No room for agendas here., 07:35:01 06/25/17 Sun What a dumb comment. (NT) -- ICEMAN, 16:38:54 06/25/17 Sun Florida is hispanic. Could crown her for diversity. (NT) -- Pageant Dame, 07:45:49 06/25/17 Sun She's actually Italian (NT) -- But good try, 17:38:01 06/25/17 Sun I have been watching the SC and I don't like the copycats but needless to say my favorite 2 so far are Connecticut and Hawaii for the whole package both have the beauty and personality, I think others are very pretty but some seem to mature and lack the ability to be engaging & connect with others as I found CT & HI to do (NT) -- SeattleSara, 01:08:17 06/26/17 Mon Love love love Idaho! Very articulate and personable. (NT) -- Katie, 03:39:06 06/26/17 Mon

Subject: Miss Teen USA changes
Author: :-( [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:23:05 06/22/17 Thu It appears Miss Teen USA 2017 will be the last actual pageant like we know it. In 2018 Miss Teen USA will be held during Miss USA time. There will only be a preliminary competition and only a winner will be announced. It will probably be shown as a special clip during the Miss USA Pageant. I think the only reason teen isn't being cancelled all together is because of the money they get from the state pageants. Miss Teen USA 2017 hasn't even been announced yet so this doesn't surprise me at all. At least we will have a teen winner but it just won't be the same anymore. :-( [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Also, each contestant will b assigned a number and the winner will be the one who's number comes up in a random number generator on the outgoing winner's laptop. (NT) -- so everyone has an equal chance and the fans won't scream about the judging, 11:32:38 06/22/17 Thu where did you get this information from? (NT) -- curious, 11:56:00 06/22/17 Thu Well I dont believe this to be true, I do think the time has come to be done with the teen pageant all together. (NT) -- washington mom, 13:43:33 06/22/17 Thu This makes me sad. Time to follow MAOT and Teen International. (NT) -- Sad, 14:01:51 06/22/17 Thu Do not forget about Miss Teen United States. This is going to be a pageant system to be reckoned with. It looks like it may be the the replacement pageant for beauty instead of Teen USA (which appears to be going in the direction of diversity and a story instead beauty). Some of us still want an old-fashioned beauty pageant. (NT) -- Teen Observer, 16:45:36 06/22/17 Thu This reads like its the director promoting the pageant. Which is fine, but at least sign your name to it. And the next teen usa pageant? I would have to give that to the High School amerca system. It is extreamly competitve with numerous former state tusa titleholders and other large system winners. The Collegiate division has has one of them go on to win Miss America, and the girl you guys all hyped to death on here prior to Miss USA. (north carolina I think) The pageant is a great production and well put on. (NT) -- washington mom, 19:04:31 06/22/17 Thu Good points about high school and collegiate but I'm not the director and looking forward to following the teens in the upcoming US pageant. And what about Miss Teen World? That seems very fun, too. -- Another teen observer:), 21:43:57 06/22/17 Thu You sound like you're promoting that pageant. Most of the Collegiates aren't in college and it's just big girl glitz. (NT) -- They are not fielding every state this year. But then again, most girls have never stepped fot in the states they represent. It.s a sham., 08:03:17 06/23/17 Fri How is it hyping Miss Teen United States when everyone knows that pageant is a BEAUTY pageant. It sounds like YOU are a director for Miss Collegiate. I'm totally going to watch Teen United States. They have some very pretty girls competing, should be interesting. They can have Teen USA, just not an interesting pageant anymore. (NT) -- Teen Observer #3, 14:11:51 06/23/17 Fri Was not referring to United States, High School America is ridiculous. (NT) -- They offer deals for girls to take titles of other states. Or you can come back as another state., 16:23:12 06/23/17 Fri Idaho collegiate is 28 years old and Utah Jr High is the sister to Austin Ryde . (NT) -- Facts, 08:37:42 06/24/17 Sat Oh my. There is no age limit in the collegate division? And a 28 year old doing what is really a big glitz pageant? Bless her heart (NT) -- washington mom, 12:14:40 06/24/17 Sat High School America was a great concept, but then went in the wrong direction. Adding Crown Academy is a huge mistake. (NT) -- Collegiate aren't in college or take one online class. and girls being a rep from a random state? What a mess!, 21:31:39 06/25/17 Sun I completely disagree. How many discussions here are about which formers are moving up to miss, or why a contestant did well as a teen, but flopped as a miss. Or flopped as a teen, but had growth to do well as a miss. There are plenty of systems and each one treats their teens differently and the miss too for that matter. Some are too much like grown up toddlers and tiaras, and how many damn sequins and stones you can add to a garment rather than on walking/talking. I applaud MUO for looking to update the aquanet world of pageants. (NT) -- my fifty cents worth, 11:08:42 06/25/17 Sun You expect me to believe that a system that can't plan more than a month in advance has a plan for what to do a year from now? (NT) -- I won't believe they change until Paula is gone and someone new is in charge., 19:43:42 06/22/17 Thu i do not believe it either. ANd how can they expect the teens to be in a pageant when they are in school (NT) -- betty, 20:38:44 06/22/17 Thu They're not going to work a national pageant with all its entails and the people that work it around the girls school schedule. And its ridiculous they don't in my opinion. This use to be the chance of a lifetime and given the chance passing up your first week at college would be a no brainer. But now that its such a 3rd rate pageant no way. I think one girl actually recently gave up her title due to the date not working for her school schedule. Anyone else recall this? (NT) -- washington mom, 08:12:18 06/23/17 Fri Has anyone noticed Karlie's LIP INJECTIONS?!?! OMG!!! (NT) -- not necessary, 08:18:28 06/23/17 Fri We can all debate the different systems for teen. I don't care for HS America and many states only have around 5 contestants competing. However I will say that all the systems named here have better prize packages than USA so I have really never understood the big draw to USA anyway. (NT) -- Debbie, 09:53:27 06/23/17 Fri Amen!! Heck even winning your state teen usa title will cost you an arm and leg jsut to compete for your national title. You dont even get your expenses paid to go to the national pageant. (NT) -- washington mom, 14:35:52 06/23/17 Fri why should expenses get paid for going to the national pageant? The cost should be fully on all the delegates. (NT) -- Teen is a waste, 15:48:09 06/23/17 Fri Way back in the day all expenses were paid. (NT) -- washington mom, 12:15:58 06/24/17 Sat when did that change? (NT) -- betty, 23:35:55 06/24/17 Sat Miss Teen United States -- Pageant lover, 23:54:56 06/24/17 Sat Can we just erase the bullshit posts that are put up to create controversy? These kinds of posts diminish the capacity of this site in my opinion. (NT) -- ICEMAN, 16:38:10 06/25/17 Sun agree! (NT) -- Catherine Cates - NYC, 22:01:35 06/25/17 Sun But these posts survive because they fill the vaccuum that otherwise exists with the Miss USA and Teen USA Pageant. Where there is no real news, people want to have something to talk about. (NT) -- <crickets>, 22:27:25 06/25/17 Sun I agree w Iceman and Catherine Cates, some people just enjoy stirring the Pot for their sheer pleasure! (NT) -- SeattleSara, 01:11:49 06/26/17 Mon This seems to be 100% made up. (NT) -- Why do people believe things like this?, 02:18:32 06/26/17 Mon

Subject: Miss Teen United States
Author: Pageant Lover [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:56:22 06/24/17 Sat Pageant is in a few weeks and pics are posted so who are the stand-outs and favorites to win Miss Teen United States this year? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I see some familiar faces:). Louisiana, SC, georgia , Tennessee, FL, Maryland, wv to start. -- Pageant lover 2, 07:41:45 06/25/17 Sun Carolyn Dixson, US Virgin Islands has already won a national pageant-USA National Teen so I'd have her in the mix as a frontrunner. (NT) -- Watcher, 07:50:04 06/25/17 Sun South Carolina Catherine Kirkland was Miss Teen America so she's a national winner, too. Many of these girls competed in their state Teen USA pageants or MA's Outstanding Teen in the past. Going to be tough to call this one. (NT) -- Pageant Fun, 08:08:17 06/25/17 Sun From headshots and a little social media stalking- Hawaii, Florida, Louisiana, NC, SC, Maryland, Nevada. One contestant is Tootie from Toddlers and Tiaras all grown up and beautiful. They seem to pick facially gorgeous winners so good job. -- US teens, 09:10:03 06/25/17 Sun Who cares. The pageant is going downhill. Expensive entry fee, nonexistent prize package. -- Look to Earth, World, USA, 14:59:38 06/25/17 Sun https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlVGgc-8Y7kz4vpsgrjOp7NB6G-BVd_o- -- Pageantwatcher, 19:03:31 06/25/17 Sun

Subject: Let's Play. Who is who here.
Author: HIM [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:53:50 06/24/17 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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is #7 miss mississippi from 1988 or so (NT) -- betty, 23:26:09 06/24/17 Sat # 3 is Miss India, 1993 MU and # 5 is Miss Guatemala, 1984 MU. (NT) -- John O., 00:26:28 06/25/17 Sun I love this!!!!!!!! (NT) -- gaj - Mister USB 2017, 01:01:01 06/25/17 Sun #2 Michelle royer? (NT) -- Me, 01:01:11 06/25/17 Sun 1) Lori Dickerson (CA USA 1987) 2) Michelle Royer (TX USA & Miss USA 1987) 3) India from MU 1993 4) Stephanie T. (MS USA 1990) 5) Julietta (Guatemala from MU 1984) 6) Lori Dickerson (again) 7) Kathleen McKlellan (IL Teen 1988) 8) Ruth Z aka Devin Pierce (Miss Teen USA 1983) (NT) -- Illini, 01:17:27 06/25/17 Sun I'm just so HAPPY someone posted some photos! (NT) -- nostalgic, 14:27:49 06/25/17 Sun It is ridiclulous that Lori Dickerson did not even make the cut in Miss USA that year. (NT) -- Mimimay, 18:58:17 06/25/17 Sun

Subject: Teen USA to Miss America Crossover
Author: Basketball Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:57:09 06/20/17 Tue I didn't see this posted here. The newest crossover from Miss Teen USA to Miss America is Kathryn Teruya, Miss Hawaii Teen USA 2012 and top 16 at Miss Teen USA 2012. Kathryn was crowned Miss Hawaii on June 10 and will be competing at Miss America in September. http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/06/10/breaking-news/kathryn-sachiko-teruya-wins-miss-hawaii/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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this was on guru (NT) -- betty, 16:19:04 06/20/17 Tue she is going to Miss America (NT) -- fan, 11:51:00 06/25/17 Sun Savannah Giammarco (CT USA '15) was 1RU to Miss CT MAO last night (NT) -- another crossover, 14:56:57 06/25/17 Sun

Subject: Everyone is saying Deshauna & Kara won Miss USA because of their "stories". They don't have any stories. They were intelligent and had interesting occupations. Army to scientist. As well as MUO/IMG shoving diversity in our faces. NO STORIES REALLY.
Author: CCQ [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:47:19 06/22/17 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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everyone has a "story" (NT) -- betty, 20:40:24 06/22/17 Thu Some are more interesting and intriguing than other people. (NT) -- Yes, BUT, 21:39:25 06/22/17 Thu I think with Deshauna it just got so tired out how often and emphasized her army background was during the pageant. I was like yes that's very impressive, but is there more. It just got so focused on that that it became THE story (NT) -- Addie Ross, 20:29:24 06/23/17 Fri They may be boring stories, but it's still their stories. (NT) -- Kara won because this is their way of doing damage control on the teen saying racist remarks. They think this fixes it., 06:34:32 06/24/17 Sat But one was average looking and the other semi-homely. The PC culture has programmed us to automatically select the black girls as front runners. Not because they are the most beautiful, but to prove how open-minded we are. (NT) -- Give me an old fashioned beauty pageant where beautiful wins, please., 13:04:33 06/24/17 Sat Still butt hurt that your bae didn't win hunty? Kara is very beautiful and intelligent. Move along now. Your therapy is covered. (NT) -- 🙄, 19:03:29 06/24/17 Sat It's not just this last pageant, it's all of them. Blacks win in disproportionately high numbers when there are more beautiful girls standing. It's how we've all been programmed. This is not taking anything away from true beauties like Crystal Stewart or Nana Meriweather who could have won any pageant based on beauty alone. (NT) -- Truth, 20:41:29 06/24/17 Sat I really understand and see where you're coming from. I don't see D as lsomeone I thought should've won Miss USA. Kara is gorgeous and educated and everything and her snapchat won me over. But I totally agree that our PC culture is doing too much in places where we don't really need it. I really wanted NJ or Georgia or NV to win. (NT) -- CalFan, 22:01:36 06/24/17 Sat Affirmative Action should not be a thing, the best should be rewarded! Regardless of skin color. Imagine you are well qualified for a position, and there is an equal candidate of a different ethnic make up of you, and they are given the job over you because they fill their quota for an ethnic employee? Would you be okay with that? I feel like there were more beautiful girls there. Heck I preferred Delaware over most of the other contestants of color beauty wise, but she didn't make the cut. (NT) -- Affimative Action is BS., 10:21:54 06/25/17 Sun This is obviously not the place for a debate on affirmative action, but I do think it's important to counter your argument. What you said might be true if we lived in a world where racism ceased to exist anymore. But we know that is not true. Due to decades of systemic racism, we do not have a level playing field. There are situations in which minorities (and everyone else) can benefit by giving them a leg up. Whether or not that is true of the pageant world is debatable, but I think it is way too broad to just say "affirmative action is BS." -- Old timer, 13:07:40 06/25/17 Sun The minority contestants are getting a fair shake. I don't see the problem. (NT) -- ~, 11:44:10 06/25/17 Sun Blacks are twelve percent of the population. (NT) -- See what you want, others see it differently., 14:11:10 06/25/17 Sun

Subject: MISS COLOMBIA UNIVERSE 2017
Author: ECTZ [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:49:40 06/20/17 Tue MISS COLOMBIA UNIVERSE 2017 PICS [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss Colombia is beautiful. (NT) -- , 08:56:36 06/22/17 Thu* Stunning! (NT) -- Miss Universe Fan, 09:32:48 06/22/17 Thu I could look at her for a year as Miss Universe!!!! (NT) -- Westtnmommy, 13:59:22 06/22/17 Thu Beauty plus intelligence, I think she's the best latina so far. (NT) -- Colombia will be in the top again this year together with Miss USA, 23:01:09 06/22/17 Thu She's absolute gorgeous, fresh, trilingual, and has all of the charisma in the world. Can't get enough of her. (NT) -- ., 14:56:29 06/24/17 Sat

Subject: The DIXIE SUCCESSFUL TEEN CONUNDRUM
Author: HawtPlusSeksi [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:13:52 06/06/17 Tue One of the things one notices about Miss USA results in recent years is what I named The DIXIE SUCCESSFUL TEEN CONUNDRUM. Multiple successful Teens from the South, who placed even as high as 1st runner-up simply fail to place at Miss USA. Most, if not all these in recent years are non-ethnic whites. Examples: 2015 Brooke Fletcher Peachtree City GA, 1st ru at Teen 2013 Brittany Sharp Atlanta GA, 4th ru at Teen 2016 Haley Brooke Sowers Meridian MS, 4th ru at Teen 2017 Katie Coble Charlotte NC, 2nd ru at Teen 2017 Jacqueline Carroll Stanardsville VA, Top 10 at Teen Why do you believe the DIXIE SUCCESSFUL TEEN CONUNDRUM exists? Is it due to overemphasis on diversity? Can it be that southern states are viewed negatively by ultra liberal IMG and MU org. Southern girls might at times hold too conservative or unpopular positions in the NYC bubble. Or it SIMPLY due to less emphasis on education in southern states, weaker colleges (except in VA)and/or insufficient scholastic accomplishments by some of the southern delegates... comparing to other areas in the US? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Add to your list Julia Dalton, Megan Myrehn, and Arryn Johnson, and that's just limited to the Bahamas era Teens. (NT) -- Basketball Fan, 04:06:12 06/06/17 Tue Indeed. I know I forgot one fo the top 3 girls from Teen, but I could not recall whom for 10-15 minutes. Though Julia's exclusion (to me) seems more understandable based on her package and preliminary performance... it was difficult to include her in a top 15. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 17:44:41 06/06/17 Tue It was difficult to include Julia in Top 15 but the very same pageant Olivia Jordan managed not only to make the top, but also win?? (NT) -- Oh Lord... where are the times when facial beauty counted for something in pageants?, 04:01:40 06/10/17 Sat Julia is 5'5'' and had a very old school, old fashioned approach to that pageant. Olivia, had a more modern vibe about her and is 5'11'' (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 00:13:25 06/11/17 Sun So we've got 5'11 and a modern vibe (to a particularly not attractive face, not just in pageant terms) VS a beautiful face. (NT) -- I still think it's a joke to rewards height and vibe instead of a face., 02:42:11 06/12/17 Mon And who said Olivia J. does not have a beautiful face. Au contraire, Julia being top notch in facial beauty is more URBAN LEGEND than anything else. Also, Olivia is a BEAUTY WITH A PURPOSE, remember her Children of the Night involvement? There is no comparison. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 15:53:03 06/12/17 Mon Who said Olivia does not have a beautiful face? Like... all her pictures? :D Let's be real. Her face is so long it easily takes one full feet of her 5'11. Add to that small eyes, dumbo ears, flat cheeks, frog smile and visible gums. Not exactly what I find beautiful. As for Beauty with a Purpose - you must be kidding, right? I don't remember her involvement, because there was nothing to remember - she only got "involved" for the pageant and forgot about it the moment she was crowned. (NT) -- It's not just Julia - about 45 girls from 2015 can feel robbed., 05:08:52 06/13/17 Tue MUO puts together the girls' packages, so much is cut out. That goes for all girls. I actually loved Julia's prelim performance, especially swimsuit. (NT) -- To each their own, 21:42:30 06/11/17 Sun It happens to girls from non-Southern states too (DE this year). To me it is simple - the "look" they are going for in Teen is very different than what they are looking for at Miss. Not all teenaged beauty queens grow up and look like what they are looking for for a Miss winner. -- Sheesh, 10:52:58 06/06/17 Tue I think that, depending on the year, a successful Teen can either be the "Cherub" or the "Pre-Diva." The "Pre-Diva" - Alyssa Campanella, Ashley Durham, Sydnee Stottlemeyer - is tall and lanky, and has the features that could grow up into the "Glamazon" look that does well at USA. The "Cherub" - Angie Layton, Katie Coble, and Julia Dalton - is the epitome of a bubbly teen, but may not grow up to be the striking look that Miss is looking for. I just think that Southern states, in general, are much more likely to pick the perfect little cute teen than take a chance on the tall, slightly awkward, yet unique look. (NT) -- FirmGrip, 14:00:35 06/06/17 Tue Interesting. Though I would not put Angie in the cherus category. I would say she is somewhere in between. I think Angie not placing is the biggest WTF this decade. She had a perfect preliminary performance, is strong in interview, they had a top 20 that year. Even if no blond made top 5 and only 2 made top 10, I think there was no reason to exclude her. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 17:41:50 06/06/17 Tue I wasn't in love with Angelia's gown, she has modeled some much better gowns for Sherri Hill since her reign, she looks fabulous in white, but I definitely agree she was top 20 for me, someone once conspired her appearance on CBS's may have played a part in her exclusion, if it was a factor, it's stupid. Angelia was top 10 worthy at least! (NT) -- Anon-ie, 18:34:51 06/06/17 Tue CBS's Survivor*** (NT) -- Anon-ie, 18:36:02 06/06/17 Tue I've always thought her huge plastic balloon boobs killed her chances. (NT) -- She just looked trashy at Miss., 02:02:42 06/07/17 Wed Though they were not huge. If you were talking about, let's say, Gina Cerilli, then I would understand... but in her case, I do not believe the size of breasts mattered nor did it look too unnatural. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 15:24:33 06/09/17 Fri You gotta be kidding. They were huge against her tiny body and looked very plastic and unnatural. (NT) -- ., 03:57:37 06/10/17 Sat Out of curiosity where would heavy hitters like Jamie Solinger, Shauna Gambill, Danielle Boatright fall in this? (NT) -- Vegas, 12:56:44 06/08/17 Thu I think we'd need to see some statistics on whether this is happening to white former Southern teens than any other former teens. I suspect it isn't. I think two reasons for former high placing teens not placing later on 1) Different judges, different competitors. 2) Being short & petite at teen is not a disadvantage. At the adult pageant, it can hurt you. I think NC was a good example of this this year. She's absolutely beautiful, but I felt she looked very "tiny" on stage next to the other girls. (NT) -- Tiki-Java, 15:34:03 06/06/17 Tue I disagree-- NC was wayyyy more glamazon than that super short, dumpy lawyer who made the top 10. That was just gross! She looked 40. (NT) -- So sad what's happened to Miss USA, 22:47:18 06/06/17 Tue I don't know who the lawyer is but all I know is I screamed when I saw NC's face. She looked like something out of a wax museum and not in a good way. (NT) -- have no idea about how tall or short she was, 07:12:37 06/07/17 Wed LMAO! Hilarious. Totally agree with you. NC's prelim performance this year was sad. If it wasn't for the fact that she was a runner-up at Teen I would not have noticed her at all and obviously the judges thought so too. Overhyped. (NT) -- NC belonged in my Bottom 30., 08:09:51 06/07/17 Wed She's still better than some who made the top ten. This year's pageant was a dumpster fire. I just want to forget it. (NT) -- Bad, all around., 22:17:59 06/07/17 Wed yeah, some who didn't make the cut were way better than NC so if they didn't make it then there was no way in hell that NC was going to make it. (NT) -- overhyped indeed, 05:06:38 06/08/17 Thu Man, someone on this board is seething with jealousy regarding NC. (NT) -- Pathetic and sad, how badly did she beat your daughter?, 17:12:56 06/08/17 Thu why would anyone be jealous of NC when she did not even place? lol (NT) -- we can tell you're her mother, 22:46:22 06/09/17 Fri IKR? Let's be jealous of a loser. (NT) -- LOL, 16:51:13 06/10/17 Sat she is not a loser. She did win her state (NT) -- betty, 00:44:41 06/11/17 Sun that ain't enough to be jealous of her (NT) -- she ain't all that, 17:29:50 06/12/17 Mon She is referring to TN. She was actually one of my favorite contestants. Also, don't forget IL wasn't so tall either. These two prove that as along as you have substance, you can make top 10 and potentially win. (NT) -- LadyBug, 08:36:53 06/13/17 Tue Haley sowers and Brittany sharp definitely should have placed at miss USA. Those exclusions I'll never understand Katie Coble should have not worn her hair up though I didn't think it matter because it was predetermined anyways. I actually also thought Brooke fletcher would at least place since she was so pretty and had a solid performance. Angie Layton I agree is one of the biggest wtfs in pageant history. I don't think former teens have been doing so well in miss period. Except the ones that maybe didn't place at teen place at miss. (NT) -- South star, 17:50:07 06/06/17 Tue For me, girls like Brooke Fletcher and Katie Coble stayed cute and never fully matured into what I look for in a Miss. They're beautiful girls but I think their height effected them in a negative way. (NT) -- bb, 19:31:49 06/06/17 Tue How bigoted of you to say there aren't great universities in the south, (except Virginia). I live near two well respected and highly rated schools, Samford U.and Birmingham-Southern. Their debate, science, and math teams have won many national competitions. Beating Ivy League schools and other schools like MIT, Cal Poly,and Stanford, among others. And , there are many more schools like them throughout the south. (NT) -- You have no idea what you are talking about., 00:13:16 06/07/17 Wed Yes, that is a pretty ignorant statement. Duke is another great school in the south in NC. Emory in Georgia. Georgetown. This person is a dumbass and bigoted towards the south. These girls not doing well has nothing to do with their region of the country and whether or not they are white. Trust me I went to one of those Ivy League schools and all they are now are a bunch of liberal factories full of snowflake zombies. Nothing to be admired. (NT) -- ridiculous, 07:15:39 06/07/17 Wed I was about to agree with you until I read your remarks on "liberal factories" and realized you're just a stupid redneck who does not know what you're talking about yourself. (NT) -- you probably graduated cum lauded at trump university, 08:13:47 06/07/17 Wed Well this will be the first time I get called a redneck in all my years living - proud black and latina. I do know what I'm talking about because I have not only lived in the south, but I have also attended one of those "liberal factories" aka Ivy Leagues. (NT) -- I actually had a 3.8 at that #1 school but carry on., 13:14:58 06/08/17 Thu Honey bee. I am sorry if you felt offended. There is nothing to be offended about, it is simply that the best colleges are located in other parts of the country, Harvard, Yale, Stamford, MIT. There is no university from the South anywhere close, literacy rates are also significantly lower than the rest of the country. But I still adore the South and its amazing culture and strong sense of the community. :) (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 15:59:06 06/07/17 Wed You really are a condescending prick. (NT) -- 1971, 18:46:52 06/07/17 Wed HawtPlusSeksi, I love you, (I really do!) but damn, son. CLICK IN :) -- Former, 20:00:12 06/07/17 Wed Honey. I adore you too. The notion of education in the South was only one of many hypotheses I put forward to possibly explain the fact that Southern Teen girls do not excell in Miss. And it is the least likely explanation out of the discussed ones. I did so, because two things came into my mind, interviews with a former MS USA, Cortney Bird and former AK USA Hannah Billingsley.. both were simply apalling. Then there is the question of literacy rates also comes into play, Mississippi has the lowest high school graduation rates. I want to appologize to everyone that felt offended. Though I must underline it was not intentional, as I wanted to clarify what is behind this current trend. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 15:21:23 06/09/17 Fri Duke, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, UVA...they're all ALWAYS up in the top spots. Undergraduate AND Graduate school programs. Ultimately the USNWR rankings are always based off of quite interesting minutia that change year in and year out. You have to be in the "know" to know exactly which points to get and hot to get them. The great schools are always going to be great, whether in the north or south or wherever, because it's a small network of the small people who all know each other and all move around and most importantly, all know what those minute points are to get higher rankings. No need to compare apples to apples. Because those schools are every bit as lovely as top ones in the north. The Ivy League is of course fabulous, for the exact same reasons. They're just in the north! :) -- Former, 19:35:26 06/07/17 Wed I have a child who goes to UVA. They have some of the most unintelligent students I've ever met. (NT) -- It is not in the same league as Vanderbilt and Georgetown. And the connections are very limited!, 23:47:31 06/12/17 Mon Proud graduate of two Universities in the South here. Both Louisiana and Texas. I would like to interject that there is more to college years than going to class. After leaving both of the schools I graduated from, I felt very skilled socially, and confident that I could obtain ANY job I applied for (which I have). The notion that there are no credible colleges in the South is absurd, and can be looked upon as Northern elitism. (NT) -- ICEMAN, 10:10:58 06/08/17 Thu You work at the family funeral home. Of course you got the job, your family owns it. BRAG MUCH???? (NT) -- sad, 12:07:04 06/10/17 Sat Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (NT) -- nailed it!!!, 00:14:40 06/11/17 Sun The SOUTHERN region has the worst record in the country in terms of the hs dropout rate AND SAT scores. That's just a fact. (NT) -- sorry, 18:22:10 06/12/17 Mon Southern teens also have a higher rate of teen pregnancy. They tend to get knocked up early down there (NT) -- Just stating facts, 18:51:15 06/13/17 Tue Northern universities are great. Our state universities rank higher than most southern one. We have low acceptance rates here, which mean higher standards (NT) -- college, 18:55:33 06/13/17 Tue Northern Elitism? Dont forget your heterosexual elitism in believing a gay American shouldnt have the same rights as you being a heterosexual American. (NT) -- fan, 13:15:20 06/21/17 Wed AFAIK the following Teen USA Winners/Runners Up from the South (AL, AR, GA, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN) are eligible for Miss USA 2018: Stevi Perry, Tori Sizemore, Julia Martin, K Lee Graham, Vaeda Mann, Jane Axhoj, Hannah Faith Greene, Emily Wakeman, Marley Stokes, Erin Snow. Given what we know about IMG, which of these former Teens from the South has potential to do well at Miss USA? (NT) -- Basketball Fan, 00:02:09 06/11/17 Sun That is a TOUGH one. I would say Tori Sizemore and Hannah Greene sound the most solid, given their MAO/MAOT experience. Hannah's 6'0'' height does not hurt either. Though, it really depends on what they undertook as studies/career. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 00:20:50 06/11/17 Sun A lot of those former teens above are not finished with college yet, so they are not ready according to IMG (NT) -- Marley would have a good chance, 18:53:36 06/13/17 Tue I can't help but agree with you. Was thinking what chances a college student could have with IMG now. (NT) -- Student is not substance enough for IMG, 21:28:55 06/13/17 Tue Julia Martin has all the characteristics of an IMG Miss USA. She graduated from UGA with a Poli Sci degree and interned with a Ga Senator in DC. She is moving on to law school I understand! Tall, articulate and educated. I just hope she decides to compete. (NT) -- Cmon Julia do it for GA!, 06:15:52 06/16/17 Fri Me too, I adored her. With the emphasis on diversity, she needs to choose the right year. 2018 could be it, but 2019 is safer, as I do not think they'll crown a Caucasian girl in 2018. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 21:28:32 06/16/17 Fri Julia Martin competed in a MAO preliminary in 2016, Miss UGA, and was 1st RU. http://www.redandblack.com/uganews/annie-jorgensen-crowned-miss-uga/article_12f3a354-bd99-11e5-9591-9b1c2a3f2d45.html (NT) -- Basketball Fan, 01:08:57 06/20/17 Tue After the complaints that all of the teens were blonde in the top 5, chances are slim to none. However this young lady is so very beautiful. Good Luck!!! (NT) -- LadyBug, 09:41:55 06/20/17 Tue Nice Julia's mom it's ok to promote your daughter! (NT) -- Eye roll, 21:28:52 06/23/17 Fri

Subject: Prediction for Teen USA 2017
Author: Fanny [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:47:30 06/23/17 Fri Because of the controversy last year surrounding the top 5 in teen USA being all blondes and John Legends wife complaining "Way to keep it diverse". I noticed there are more diverse title holders this year than in previous years.. Do you think the teen winner will be diverse this year? It seems even in teens the competion has been politicized. If that is the case why bother spending thousands to compete? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I'm sorry just because Chrissy Teigen made a comment on last years top 5 pageant has to be shook with diversity being key, that's so silly to me still even today, almost a year later. (NT) -- Anon, 14:36:03 06/23/17 Fri

Subject: Texas should stop trying to be different than all the other pageants and have the TX Teen Pageant the same time as Miss TX USA.
Author: TRUTH [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:42:35 06/20/17 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I know California and New York state can have 100+ in both age divisions, maybe Texas doesn't like that scenario having 200+ girls competing, plus I'm sure the local hair and makeup people would be hard up seeing as many of the girls use professional services, can you imagine Texas Miss and Teen contestants battle for professional services at the same time? It would be chaos I think. Texas always been in a different league. (NT) -- Anon-ie, 01:34:09 06/21/17 Wed You have to do your own hair and makeup in Texas. (NT) -- Though I agree 100+ pageant is ridiculous. It's Cali and NY that should split, and not Texas that should merge., 02:08:13 06/21/17 Wed You have to do your own hair/make up and Texas Teen and can you imagine running a pageant in 2 days with more than 200 girls. No thanks!!! That would be torture to sit through. Texas is the only state I know of that pulls more than 100 in teen and miss every time. (NT) -- Nope, 10:11:57 06/21/17 Wed Cali 2013 had 280 in Miss and 175 in Teen (NT) -- -, 22:31:59 06/22/17 Thu I literally could not fathom sitting through both of those presentation shows, and if we are really honest probably only 30-50 could contend at nationals. Wasn't New York 500+ for Miss & Teen combined 4-5 years ago? (NT) -- Anon-ie, 14:28:58 06/23/17 Fri Actually when I started following there were many states who did this... Florida obviously, Pennsylvania was another (held one week apart from memory). NC, SC, GA, OH & MI all used to split their pageants (held the same weekend but different shows) - now I think TN is the only one. I think it's a nice way to give the Teens special attention, CA can seem interminably long at times. (NT) -- oz-usb, 12:13:16 06/21/17 Wed Will you be doing a Texas roundup of all the lovely ladies? It is a huge pageant and it is easy to get lost. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 23:06:00 06/21/17 Wed Mind your own damn business, you nontexas person (NT) -- EVERYTHING IS BIGGER IN TEXAS, 02:41:57 06/22/17 Thu that would be impossible. 200+ girls. The prelims would last 5 hours. No thanks (NT) -- Texas Fan, 11:00:21 06/22/17 Thu who cares? for real, who cares? (NT) -- ..,., 11:23:02 06/22/17 Thu

Subject: Something I only noticed today, ALL Miss USAs since 2010 are from Bos-Wash Corridor or SoCall (L.A.-Vegas corridor).
Author: HawtPlusSeksi [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:36:40 06/21/17 Wed Bos-Wash Corridor / Northeast megalopolis / Acela Corridor or SoCal/Vegas entertainment Corridor (Hollywood/Beverly Hills/Malibu/downtown LA/WeHo/Vegas). Why do you think girls from rinky-dink localities in the Midwest or the South no longer win the whole enchilada? Is it because of the international appeal of the ladies from these areas? Let's see: 2010 Rima, from MI but very Nu Yawk vibe. Grew up in Jackson Heights, Queens. 2011 Alyssa, from Jersey Shore in SoCal. 2012 Olivia C, another Acela megalopolis winner. 2012 Nana, this gurl from Potomac combines both Bos-Wash Corridor and SoCal/Vegas Corridor as she attended college in Cali. 2013 Erin, child of the Acela megalopolis winner. 2014 Nia, pure product of the SoCal/Vegas Corridor. 2015 Olivia J, nominally from OK, but she is as SoCal as it gets. 2016 Deshauna, a Southern born girl, but totally Acela megalopolis. 2017 Kara, another sista from the Acela megalopolis. Why do you think the Acela megalopolis/Bos-Wash Corridor AND SoCal de facto managed to produce 9 winnners in a row? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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WHAT (NT) -- no state, 00:50:59 06/22/17 Thu There is more variation among the 1st RUs. We've had southerners (Morgan Woolard, Ashley Durham, MMM, Yliana Guerra) and a Midwesterner (Audra Mari). Chelsea Hardin could be SoCal since she went to college there and Chhavi is 100% Acela. (NT) -- Carrie, 06:25:48 06/22/17 Thu I did not know that about Chelsea. Even if Hawaiian posters said she had a very local vibe, she always seemed very SoCal to me, the same way Olivia J. comes across much more SoCal than Oklahoma... or Rima much more Acela megalopolis than Midwest (in a loud, gum chewing, ethnic Northeastern kind of way). (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 23:45:43 06/22/17 Thu GOOD! (NT) -- so tired of southerners, 11:26:15 06/22/17 Thu I think the times of corny pageant patties with heavy accents that some fans long after are long gone, but the South will rebound for sure, think about it, the top 4 of the last Teen competition is from the South as are the last 2 MAO winners. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 23:52:08 06/22/17 Thu The South (AL, AR, GA, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN) was very strong during the 8 Bahamas Teen USA years, with 4 wins, 4 1st RUs, and 2 2nd RUs. (NT) -- Basketball Fan, 00:44:40 06/23/17 Fri But the Southern girls will still keep pumping money into the system (including sponsors and industry in general) because they are hooked and that is their thing. Same with the Latin countries. MUO knows this. MUO hooks them in at the Teen level, which is why the southern cherub beauties discussed in another thread do so well there. Pageants will never die in the South no matter how much they bitch moan and cry that their type of real beauty is being ignored for diversity and the liberal agenda. Pawns, all y'all (NT) -- lolling, 11:59:55 06/23/17 Fri "Sista"? Really HawtPlusSeksi? Really? (NT) -- do better, please, 12:51:09 06/23/17 Fri

Subject: Warning: Pageant Rant Below!
Author: CCQ [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:05:44 06/20/17 Tue Where is Iris, Kara, and Karlie? Why does it feel like now days whoever wins the national pageant only has the first 2 weeks of the NYC media tour as the major highlight of their year? Poof, they disappear, and do little things with the NATIONAL title. Aren't they suppose to be getting paid as well?! Honestly, I don't think it's the titleholders fault directly. It is mainly MUO/IMGs fault!! All they care about is the pageant when it's on live tv!! They shoved diversity down our throats at the pageantsthis year, but do little activity raising awareness about it any other time of the year- do they really care or do their small brains think it will keep viewers? And they seem very unorganized with the locations, venues, and dates. That should all be announced AT LEAST 3 months ahead of time, to plan and purchase tickets, not the week before. Teen should be announced already. Ending the rant, the pageant is a crock of shit now. Was no need to turn good into bad. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The former Miss USA Nia Sanchez, in her youtube review of this year's telecast slammed this year's pageant, and to my surprise said rumors were circulating that this year's top 5 were fed questions in advance. (NT) -- WilliamNYC, 01:16:36 06/21/17 Wed William can you share the link? (NT) -- fan, 13:09:38 06/21/17 Wed Just go to youtube.com and entered Nia Sanchez review of Miss USA 2017. (NT) -- WilliamNYC, 19:22:11 06/21/17 Wed All 51 contestants received the same list of "potential topics" for final question the day before finals. The list included: education, US/international relations, women's rights, sexual assault, healthcare, equality, effects of social media, teen suicide, feminism, and body image. (NT) -- ..., 20:50:46 06/21/17 Wed I know MAO and MUO/IMG are completely different in how they run things, but while I'm more of a fan of MUO I do envy MAO they have had their state dates planned way in advance, they had the national date before any of the 2017-2018 contestants were crowned and they even have 2019 and 2020 secured for broadcast. I envy the organization MAO has, dates are set in stone. (NT) -- Anon-ie, 01:28:42 06/21/17 Wed Iris and Kara attended a summer solstice themed event for Amfar Tuesday night. Iris was a co-chair along with another former Miss Universe Olivia Culpo. (NT) -- Anon, 04:59:04 06/21/17 Wed Oh ok. But I meant major appearances, like television appearances, NOT JUST MEDIA TOURING. (NT) -- CCQ, 10:47:06 06/21/17 Wed I dont think the girls nor the org can be blamed here. Pageants are not what htey use to be. Not many companies are paying to have any beauty queens at their events these days. I dont think its a reflection of the girls, I think its been this way for years now. Being Miss (title) is not a draw to get people to events like they once were. (NT) -- washington mom, 07:57:26 06/21/17 Wed Here is the problem. Miss America still attends major events. And internationally Miss World is everywhere (depending on the market). (NT) -- Vegas, 12:57:22 06/21/17 Wed That's because Dick effing CLARK productions is a sponsor 🙄 (NT) -- 🙄, 14:34:29 06/21/17 Wed Dick Clark produced miss usa i think 2013 to 2014. I don't recall any difference in what the title holders did? (NT) -- Vegas, 19:48:34 06/21/17 Wed IMG owns half the entertainment programs and events you see and their agency represents 90% of A list stars. IMG OWNS Hollywood. If they wanted to get the titleholders out there, they could in a way where EVERY state would have at least 70 contestants. Sadly, they don't do it. Dick Clark corporation does. (NT) -- Observer, 07:13:20 06/22/17 Thu It was too obvious that the girls were given the subject in advance. I didn't fall for it at all. (NT) -- IMG is too concerned with intellectual image, 09:37:58 06/21/17 Wed Miss America still attends big events because of Dick Clark Productions. Any event that DCP produces like awards shows, etc Miss A will attend. (NT) -- Me, 14:20:53 06/21/17 Wed DCP produced the 2011 miss usa pageant. (NT) -- Vegas, 19:50:34 06/21/17 Wed Karlie is MIA as usual but Kara & Iris are active on social media, make sure you follow them on Instagram (NT) -- they are busy !, 22:39:13 06/21/17 Wed It is 2017. Get with the times. You can follow all of their updates on social media. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube....etc etc.... Are you living under a rock? (NT) -- Ian Sebastin, 20:46:14 06/22/17 Thu Are you up to date, Sir? The only things I see them post is pictures from a photo shoot. That's really it. I know Iris/Karlie has made a few, not many, Kara none at all except for recent mandatory tour, but I'll give her slack since she just started. (NT) -- CCQ, 21:38:04 06/22/17 Thu

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