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June 12-13, 2021 Miss Massachusetts USA/Teen USA Miss New Hampshire USA/Teen USA Jun 19, 2021 Miss Wyoming USA/Teen USA June 19-20, 2021 Miss Maine USA/Teen USA Jun 25-26, 2021 Miss Nevada USA/Teen USA Jun 26-27, 2021 Miss Illinois USA/Illinois Teen USA June 27, 2021 Miss Delaware USA/Teen USA July 9-10, 2021 Miss Ohio USA/Teen USA July 10-11, 2021 Miss Arizona USA/Teen USA Miss West Virginia USA/Teen USA July 17, 2021 Miss DC USA/DC Teen USA Miss Virginia USA/Virginia Teen USA July 16-18, 2021 Miss Florida USA/Teen USA July 24-25, 2021 Miss Maryland USA/Maryland Teen USA July 25-26, 2021 Miss Indiana USA	July 27, 2021 Miss Indiana Teen USA July 30-31, 2021 Miss Pennsylvania USA/Teen USA July 31-Aug 1, 2021 Miss Minnesota USA/Teen USA Miss New Jersey USA/Teen USA Aug 6-7, 2021 Miss Michigan USA/Teen USA Aug 7-8, 2021 Miss Rhode Island USA/Teen USA Aug 14-15, 2021 Miss Colorado USA/Teen USA Miss New Mexico USA/Teen USA Aug 18-20, 2021 Miss New York USA/Teen USA Aug 20-21, 2021 Miss Utah USA/Teen USA Sept 1-5, 2021 Miss Texas USA/Texas Teen USA Sept 10 -11, 2021 Miss California USA/Teen USA

Subject: Filipina Queens Deserve Better
Author: IanSebas [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:40:08 06/13/21 Sun I am so tired of this forum denying the beauty of Filipina beautyqueens. The glorious nation of the Philippines has become the most powerful country in the Universe franchise. Please stop bashing our queens. As a transgendered Filipina I believe the next Miss Universe will be from the Philippines. Rabiya should have won the crown. It appears to me that this forum has too many people that are jealous of Filipinos and they feel insecure. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I fully support this! (NT) -- Ian S (NSI), 20:52:03 06/13/21 Sun Philippines was robbed in 2021. So was Thailand, South Africa, and Peru! (NT) -- KMB, 00:38:53 06/14/21 Mon oops I mean 2020. (NT) -- KMB, 00:39:16 06/14/21 Mon I didn’t write this lol This fool cracks me up (NT) -- IanSebas, 00:43:00 06/14/21 Mon Most of the posters here fear Miss Philippines because once she penetrates the Top 5, it’s game over. (NT) -- Miss Universe 1000 B.C., 13:02:24 06/14/21 Mon Filipina queens goes through the best training program in the world. Their queens are always on the to of their games. Certainly the strongest sash in the Universe right now. (NT) -- Mobi, 13:17:19 06/14/21 Mon Just admit it, guys! Everyone here is insecure about Miss Philippines, whoever she is. Even MUO knows the power of the Philippines sash. (NT) -- Gul Bayag, 00:12:33 06/15/21 Tue LOL (NT) -- The delusion!, 01:23:26 06/15/21 Tue Ian Sebastian from Missosology is a basher of any Miss Philippines. This post is proof. (NT) -- Pawee, 02:17:38 06/15/21 Tue

Subject: Re: Europeans Queens
Author: IanSebas [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:37:57 06/11/21 Fri When the continental format was removed at the 69th Miss Universe, the girls of the Americas snatched 3 placements from the original 5 placements from Europe at the last edition. Majority of the forumers welcomed the change because the best and deserving performers will make cut. Only France and Great Britain made it to the Top 21. Despite some European countries sent their most competitive candidates in recent memory like Bianca Tirsin of Romania, why do you think only 2 European candidates made the cut? Is it because of Telemundo factor or is it their lackluster performance in the preliminaries? Does Bianca's black face photo and Alina's alleged bullying against her competitors prior to their arrival in Florida costed their placements in favor of more prepared Misses France and Miss Great Britain? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It is because of Telemundo and lower franchise fees. I do agree with FR and GB placements though as they excelled during their time in Florida, but let's face it, in terms of OUTER beauty, Jeanette from the UK is not even in the European top 10, though she has an amazing personality. I hope the official Miss Russia will continue to send girls to MU, though I have a hint they will give up this year and a new org. will be created. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 20:48:13 06/11/21 Fri Romania deserved the cut. France was boring and not even one of the strongest Europeans. Surprised that she made it. (NT) -- IanSebas, 20:58:06 06/11/21 Fri I would have loved to see Bianca RO and Alina RU, but the thing is the far-left wing milieu in Manhattan automatically blocked these 2. No matter what they would have done, they would have been excluded anyways. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:26:20 06/11/21 Fri Russia consistently attracts impressive contestants at nationals but they always seem to crown WTF winners (NT) -- IanSebas, 01:50:18 06/13/21 Sun Russia crown is bought. Look at the 2013 winner, she was horrid at nationals but won. And purchased the false teeth for Miss Universe and failed to make the cut. Same with Azerbaijan the same year. (NT) -- Original Rican, 08:13:05 06/14/21 Mon Hi guys. I just watched the pageant. I didnt know it actually went on. I genuinely thought the year would be skipped. Anyway, they should have lol. I like Mexico but zzzzzzzz. The top five was a snoozefest. Love Dom Rep though. What a doll. (NT) -- eloise, 22:46:53 06/11/21 Fri Yay Eloise! It is not at all surprising that you are back, despite your claims that you will never come back. MUAHAHAHA. Welcome back my friend. 😇❤🤟🤣 (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi)., 22:57:01 06/11/21 Fri Heya, and Yeah (see what I did there? Lol), came back to say the show was a bit meh. The opening was good though. That was well done. I guess it was the line up. No one particularly thrilled me from the 21. And if I found them boring, how dead were the rest that didnt get the call? Staring at Dom Rep’s face saved the night. (NT) -- eloise, 23:19:58 06/11/21 Fri Sorry for the hijack. I thought I had something to say about europe but i guess not, other than maybe Czech Rep was a miss. I thought she was pretty. (NT) -- eloise, 23:24:29 06/11/21 Fri In terms of DR, I always adored her... and she was the only Blatina competing. But even myself I think she was lucky to end up 5th, as she was quite unpolished in interview and the gown was a bit of an acquired taste. But I agree about facial beauty, had she ended up higher, I would not have minded it. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:33:34 06/12/21 Sat I enjoyed DR’s overall presentation. She served us The Emancipation of Mimi album cover realness mama during evening gown. She looked fire (NT) -- IanSebas, 01:39:52 06/12/21 Sat Czech Republic and Iceland both were better than India and Philippines. Miss Universe needs to remove interview completey, in the last 5 years miss Universe has not did anything that requires them to do any type of public speaking outside of youtube videos and that was even before covid 19. (NT) -- Original Rican, 00:10:00 06/13/21 Sun LOL! Good point. All this emphasis on public speaking yet they sit in front of their webcams talking to other formers all year. MUO made a big mistake going the PC route. It's like they want to go extinct just like the Grammy's, Oscars, Golden Globes, etc. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:02:23 06/13/21 Sun Great Britain had no business in the top 21. She only got in because she fit the miss world beauty with a purpose and entrepreneur mission. I didn't mind France. Meg the intern ensured Romania did not make the cut. She should have at least been top 21 regardless of her controversy or not. But overall the Europe group was severely weak. (NT) -- Original Rican, 00:03:22 06/13/21 Sun GB may have accomplished a lot more than the girls did professionally, but all the other girls accomplished more than she ever did personally. Not all that glitters is gold. -- they’re only doing it for the money, 02:29:54 06/13/21 Sun The Euro girls don't have platforms! This is the problem. Most are well-to-do and come from affluent families. Miss India had the same problems for the past several years. If the Euro girls wants to do well, they have to come up with a platform well before they win their national title. GB story was that she was a businesswoman and that gained the favor of the businesswomen on the selection committee. Also, controversies and scandals will kill chances now. I knew Romania and Russia were done before the pageant even started. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 07:00:22 06/13/21 Sun This is true for Europe as a whole. I also find the European girls to be boring. And while I love Iris, I am aware her win was to appease thier franchise fee. But Nova had the biggest story of them all, why was she excluded? (NT) -- Original Rican, 11:17:24 06/13/21 Sun Everyone knew Nova would be a threat had she made the cut. Last year was the BLM year, so Nova missed her chance since MUO is all about different platforms taking center stage every year. They still gave her a Spain 2018 bon voyage video package during the telecast. Europe though isn't competitive in this platform based pageant. Even Rabiya didn't have any substance. Pretending to be morena and showing "courage" during the National Costume competition was the most pathetic thing we saw this year. Only that Pinoy clown using the abbreviated name IanSebas cried along with her. lol! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:58:24 06/13/21 Sun Yeah I don't really root for her because she still today continually overstates her impact and has no ethical qualms hanging with the worst of the worst if that would give her some level of relevancy or help maintain a "lifestyle". If she ever showed some genuine humility and or contrition, maybe--don't think she's anywhere close to that yet though. (NT) -- Ian S (NSI), 21:01:50 06/13/21 Sun Western Europe for the most part has not really been competitive @ MU since the 1980s. France is probably the only long-term post-1980s Europe success. As for the former Eastern Bloc, they peaked in the Trump Pick era (2005-2014). (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 21:13:46 06/13/21 Sun One wonders the trauma Oxana must have caused Trump for him to not have another European sash win while he still co-owned the pageant. We were able to see a few scattered here and there in the semis during his tenure. However, 2009 was perhaps the greatest example where we saw 9 Euros place with only 1 making the Top 5. lol On top of their franchise fee, France is the only Euro country to have sent a rep to MU every year since the pageant's inception, so they have that bolstering their reputation as well. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:15:57 06/13/21 Sun I think we will see France win again because muo needs to rotate things to keep balance. They could have some growth in Europe if they put some time and energy in. It seems that muo is currently just about instant rewards. (NT) -- :), 22:26:19 06/13/21 Sun I have always believed that Trump had every intention on pimping out Oxana. At that time, she was the most beautiful miss Universe winner in many years. And he planned to capitalize on her beauty all year. Let's not forget the infamous Howard Stern interview. Oxana was the original Ukraine 2004. It backfired though because Oxana had a backbone. She was not a doughty Russian bride. And she protested and quit. Whereas Ukraine 2004 could have easily went on about her life. Instead she choose to be pimped out to the highest bidder. And it got her a 90 year old crusty sugar daddy and the Ukraine directorship. For many years, she sat front row next to Donald at miss Universe and a few miss usa. For this reason while I think she was a pretty national rep, I have no respect for her. But I will always have respect for Oxana because she knows alot more than what she can legally say likely due to a non disclosure clause. (NT) -- Original Rican, 09:20:33 06/14/21 Mon It's been almost 20 years and we still don't know the whole truth about Oxana. I think once Trump has passed, all the horror stories about his time owning MUO will surface. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 12:31:36 06/14/21 Mon True. For the longest time MUO listed her as "dethroned" on their website but after Trump left Paula changed this to "resigned". The Howard Stern interview was telling as to the direction Trump/MUO wanted to take things but Oxana didn't have any of it. I've detailed Oxana's journey to MU 2002 and I am convinced her win was rigged from he get-go because Trump/MUO liked her. I am not sure if she was in on it although her anecdote about not wanting to win/having a nightmare about it yet "randomly" summoning a new Gucci bedsheet gown to replace her vintage cupcake mess from prelims speaks volumes to me. She knew was notified she was going to win prior to the final night. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:30:55 06/14/21 Mon

Subject: 70th Miss Universe Wishlist
Author: IanSebas [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:51:49 06/14/21 Mon What do you wanna see in the 70th Anniversary Edition of Miss Universe? I’ll start - I wanna see a non-white/non halfies Asian roster this year, specially Miss Philippines. How bout y’all? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I also wanna see individuality when it comes to styling. The girls are all starting to look cookiecuttsrish in terms of hair, makeup and wardrobe. The evening gowns are starting to all look the same every year as well. We need new bold designs. We need a new Oxana/Miyako/Zuleyka moment. That being said, I also hope to see more new countries make the cut. -- IanSebas, 01:08:50 06/14/21 Mon Traditional national costumes, not Broadway shows!🥳 -- Smile Pretty, 01:52:17 06/14/21 Mon And no cringey Victoria’s Secret antics during national costume (NT) -- IanSebas, 01:57:28 06/14/21 Mon I wanna see Miss Philippines in the Top 5 again and decimate the four other finalists. (NT) -- Miss Universe 1000 B.C., 12:59:07 06/14/21 Mon I think I speak for the majority when I say that I don’t wanna see Steve Harvey back as host (NT) -- He needs to go!, 13:29:03 06/14/21 Mon Only have 10 semifinalists who compete in both swimsuit and gown. Then have a top 5 who do fnal question and final word. Bring back men to judge. (NT) -- Taryn, 14:46:10 06/14/21 Mon If they only do a top 10 we all know who they will be before they even arrive. Australia, Brazil, Colombia, France, Indonesia, Mexico, Philippines, Thailand, USA, and Venezuela. (NT) -- Ugh, 15:53:50 06/14/21 Mon National Costumes done correctly in the opening. Scores, how about a little transparency MUO/IMG, it's a competition, let's bring on visible scores. Awards that are presented on stage and acknowledged...Miss Congeniality, Miss Photogenic, Miss Clairol/Style Award/Hair Award, National Costume (award presented on stage). (NT) -- ValeneEwing, 15:56:24 06/14/21 Mon Multiple montages of former winners and fun moments (like Hungary 2006 getting called to top 20 and being stunned, Venezuela back2back win...) (NT) -- ValeneEwing, 15:58:15 06/14/21 Mon A two-hour telecast. Stop dragging this show out for three long hours, with only 16 minutes dedicated to actual competition. (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 19:26:57 06/14/21 Mon A Top 15/16. I think a Top 20 is too much. If the continental groupings + wildcards are to be reinstated, just announce the entire lineup in random order and in one go with no commercial break. If they insist on interviewing the semifinalists, do it after they are all announced. Similarly, show the bio videos in one go rather than playing each one after a semifinalist is announced. Bring back commentators with substance and who can dish it (e.g., Julie and Ali). The two-hour format is likely not going to return so lengthen the exposure of the semifinalists and also those who didn't make it. Be good to do this via a proper evening gown parade like in Miss Universe 2001. Ditch the swimsuit capes altogether or at least bring back the sarongs. Promote the host city/country. Show tourism footage instead of women empowerment roundtables. (NT) -- HelloTeddy, 23:28:34 06/14/21 Mon That the 15 most beautiful make the cut and that the best win, that the 15 most politically prepared and with the highest franchise payment to MU do not classify and of course it was Steve Harvey (NT) -- onasis (mu 70), 23:30:54 06/14/21 Mon

Subject: Miss USA 2021 Roster
Author: Basketball_Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:11:24 06/13/21 Sun We are just over the halfway point. Alabama: Alexandria Flanigan Alaska: Madison Edwards Arkansas: Stephanie Barber Connecticut: Amanda Torchia Georgia: Cora Lynn Griffen Hawaii: Allison Chu (Miss Hawaii MAO 2016 and Non-Finalist @ Miss America 2017) Idaho: Katarina Schweitzer Iowa: Katie Wadman Kansas: Gracie Hunt Kentucky: Elle Smith Louisiana: Tanya Crowe Massachusetts: Sarah DeSouza Mississippi: Bailey Anderson Missouri: Joye Forrest Montana: Jami Forseth (Miss Montana Teen USA 2016 and Non-Finalist @ Miss Teen USA 2016) Nebraska: Erika Etzelmiller (Miss Nebraska Teen USA 2016 and Non-Finalist @ Miss Teen USA 2016) New Hampshire: Taylor Fogg North Carolina: Madison Bryant North Dakota: Caitlyn Vogel (Miss North Dakota Teen USA 2019 and 1st RU @ Miss Teen USA 2019) Oklahoma: Albreuna Gonzaque Oregon: Allison Cook (Miss Oregon MAO 2013 and Non-Finalist @ Miss America 2014) South Carolina: Marley Stokes (Miss South Carolina Teen USA 2016 and 2nd RU @ Miss Teen USA 2016) South Dakota: Caroline Pettey Tennessee: Elizabeth Pistole Vermont: Joanna Nagle Washington: Christine Brodie Wisconsin: Samantha Keaton [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Excited about Caitlyn Vogel. I loved her at Teen. With the right styling I think she could do well. -- Finger crossed, 19:55:21 06/13/21 Sun She has been laying low for a while (right?) so maybe she has grown as a person. If so, maybe this is a good move for her. She was never a super talented (NT) -- IanSebas, 20:45:48 06/13/21 Sun This group also lacks diversity. I'm so tired of white people being the majority in everything. Most of these girls are white and would land in the bottom if they actually reached the Miss Universe stage. Whatever happened to crowning women of color? (NT) -- IanSebas, 20:49:39 06/13/21 Sun The Philippines should try crowning a woman of color for a change! Good luck with your microaggressions. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:51:25 06/13/21 Sun She tried it lol (NT) -- Ian S (NSI), 20:53:18 06/13/21 Sun Why are pageant fans obsessed with race? You are toxic and post toxic things. (NT) -- Declan, 23:36:39 06/13/21 Sun Many "women of color" are crowned every year. If u are not satisfied then try following the Miss Black America Pageant. (NT) -- You won't be disappointed, 10:33:31 06/14/21 Mon As of now, I still think Marley Stokes in the one to beat in terms of looks but something tells me Gracie Hunt is still in the lead when we consider all factors. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:17:47 06/13/21 Sun Right now I have Gracie Hunt and Marley Stokes as the current front runners. I can't believe we are halfway there and no former California USA contestant is on the roster. That may change though since a good portion of the Southwest hasn't had their 2021 competitions yet. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 23:03:10 06/13/21 Sun It would be so refreshing to have the CA hoppers clap this year! There seems to be a Californian mass exodus (not just in the world of pageants). As far as I know, Crystle's new MUSA winner is the only person I can think of who is moving to CA and not away from it. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:26:17 06/13/21 Sun There may be no California state hoppers on the roster now, but there are two alleged state hoppers Samantha Keaton (Texas to Wisconsin) and Taylor Fogg (Colorado to New Hampshire). (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 23:30:28 06/14/21 Mon Aren’t all the Vanbros girls traveling in Gracie hunt’s private plane? (NT) -- That plane will come in handy for the MUO organization!, 23:27:05 06/13/21 Sun

Subject: BLAST FROM THE PAST: MUO 1997 TRIUMVIRATE
Author: MU_Critic [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:07:28 06/13/21 Sun Here is a pic that we haven't seen in a while: MUO's 1997 all-American triumvirate. I remember seeing this pic decades ago (damn, time flies) and thinking Brooke looked like Miss Teen USA, Shelly looked like Miss USA/Miss America, and Brandi looked like Miss Universe. lol Don't know why she's throwing the football. Were these women deserving? If not, who would you have wanted to see as part of the '97 triumvirate instead? Sorry for the large pic! Last edited by author: Sun June 13, 2021 07:08:26 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I can totally see your pageant assignments for the 3 of them lol. This Pic was early in Trump ownership and I love it. When was the last time we got a trio picture? (NT) -- Original Rican, 07:39:49 06/13/21 Sun brook was the best Liked shelly and a bunch of other teens in 97. Brandy was a bit over processed (NT) -- c, 00:17:53 06/14/21 Mon Autumn for Teen, Marena for Universe, and Brook for USA (NT) -- 97 trifecta, 00:26:09 06/14/21 Mon After Alicia I think the MUO would have been hesitant to go for a back2back with Marena, but she certainly came close. Looking back at that top 10 Brook really was the best choice, especially after Italy and Curacao were eliminated. I didn't mind Brandi, but I do sometimes think what if Angelia Savage had beaten Brook in top 6 how different things could and would have been. (NT) -- ValeneEwing, 19:40:48 06/14/21 Mon Angelia steamrolled over everyone in SS and EG that year but took a bit of a dive in her Top 10 Interview score. That being said, she entered Top 6 in 1st place. Brooke edged out Angelia by a mere 0.007 after Top 6 questions to land in Top 3! It was a real battle that year. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:24:32 06/14/21 Mon

Subject: mass, NH and Wy Who is competing
Author: k [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:09:21 06/14/21 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss MA USA 2021 is Sarah DeSouza. Miss NH USA 2021 is Taylor Fogg. (NT) -- Miss ME USA 2021 and Miss WY USA 2021 are happening this weekend., 22:45:07 06/14/21 Mon Thanks for the update. Not overly thrilled about either and I don't think either will pose a threat to SC or KS. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:22:13 06/14/21 Mon

Subject: PIA WURTZBACH, CATRIONA GRAY AND STEVE HARVEY ARE BACK
Author: IanSebas [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:34:29 06/03/21 Thu Pia Wurtzbach, Catriona Gray, and Steve Harvey are scheduled to host the 70th edition of Miss Universe in Costa Rica this December. Pia who won Miss Universe 2015 and Catriona Gray, Miss Universe 2018 will be actors and commentators. They will also be joined by Olivia Culpo. Joint host with Steve Harvey will be Miss Costa Rica, Natalia Carvajal. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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This is not too far off. We know Steve is back. I doubt they would pair Olivia with him. Her stint last month was horrid. I would expect Paula to bring back Cat and Pia but no on stage. They may do backstage. If miss universe is actually in costa Rica I may go but do not he surprised if it ends up in Biloxi 😂 (NT) -- Original Rican, 20:05:38 06/03/21 Thu Here for this! They also need to bring back Shandi because sis knows what she's talking about and she gave everyone proper critique. (NT) -- parTygal, 02:15:54 06/13/21 Sun Aww... I wish it were conformed, even with Harvey being back for one more edition. Costa Rica would be an excellent playground for girls, a location most of they would enjoy with thermal springs, national parks, etc... much better than Hollywood, FL LOL. I hope they will make it happen, and December would be amazing, let's get MU back on track! (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 20:48:22 06/03/21 Thu Doubtful. What exactly did the girls do in Thailand and Philippines? (NT) -- Original Rican, 20:52:10 06/03/21 Thu They actually went to many areas outside of Manila and Bangkok. If you look at the coverage, you will easily notice that they are in tourist spots, LOL. As example, gurls went to Phi Phi islands, among others for delegate introductions. In this case, the Costa Rican finale competition will be in one of the Pacific coast all inclusive hotels, closer to major attractions, as opposed to San José. Thus, girls should finally have an attractive place to spend time in. Baby, I am convinced it will be the BOMB for them! (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:11:47 06/03/21 Thu Do i have the strength of spirit to watch this (NT) -- Asking for a friend, 20:59:06 06/14/21 Mon Harvey and Culpo are dead weight. I can understand pandering to Filipinos since they are MUO's biggest support system but having 2 recent formers from PH (both from the saccharine IMG era) is overkill. I'm sure Siera will lament there aren't even more former Miss Philippines serving as backstage commentators. lol Maybe Rabiya can host the National Costume competition? (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:29:00 06/03/21 Thu In 2016 I was actually shocked we didn't see more finipina reps during the telecast. I think a few of them hosted a red carpet special on YouTube before the pageant? I don't understand why they insist on bringing Steve back. While I didn't necessarily care for Mario Lopez, I'd rather listen to him for 3 hours. Steve is going to make the same lame jokes. Olivia needs to go fall under another man. That woman is a ditz, a marble slab is smarter than her. I don't think I have ever seen a miss Universe loose intelligence over time. She was painful to watch and hear. I think Rabiya will make a splash at her country pageant but she didn't leave a mark like many others. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:55:37 06/04/21 Fri Gloria Diaz and Marge Moran complained that they were seated next to the washrooms instead of in the first row back in 2016. lmao! After 1994, you would have expected PH to go all out in deifying their queens but 2016 was a lackluster production overall. I agree with Dani Walker: Zozi should have hosted MU 2020 by herself. Demi needs to find work as a Price Is Right model so we don't have to hear her speak again. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 06:03:13 06/05/21 Sat Demi is horrid. But like Olivia, both of thier heads are so far up in the clouds they think they are far removed from miss Universe. Chestlie could have did this solo with Paulina and Zozi giving backstage. (NT) -- Original Rican, 09:45:21 06/05/21 Sat Demi-Leigh got the come up with her marriage to Tim Tebow and her bag is secured. Demi-Leigh can live the fabulous NFL WAG life; she doesn't need MUO anymore. Olivia Culpo is 11 months away from turning 30 and that means her modelling/social media influencer career is going to meet its natural end soon and she hasn't secured the bag yet so she needs the MUO hosting gigs to keep her name out there. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 15:38:18 06/05/21 Sat I'm actually surprised Olivia has not found her sugar daddy yet? But based off her apparent arrogance at miss Universe, she is probably too high maintenance even for a rich man. (NT) -- Original Rican, 15:57:16 06/05/21 Sat She'll follow Shanna's example and open an OnlyFans account in due time. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:07:50 06/05/21 Sat Has anyone checked out her onlyfans? (NT) -- IanSebas, 01:52:43 06/13/21 Sun This is weird. The Costa Rica Minister of Tourism, Gustavo Segura has already declared that they are no longer interested in hosting the pageant this year. However, they are willing to consider it again in the future. This happened about a week ago. There is no venue as of now. (NT) -- Gossiper, 10:37:18 06/05/21 Sat This probably means Meg the Intern is calling up different Planet Hollywoods asking for the lowest rate. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 10:54:09 06/05/21 Sat Lol the only way miss Universe will take place out of the usa is if Thailand or Philippines coughs up the money which won't happen. Vietnam may consider hosting eventually but they will need a winner first. Plan for Miss Universe to take place in Florida or Atlanta again. Paula ruined the relationship with Las Vegas. (NT) -- Original Rican, 11:58:18 06/05/21 Sat I don't mind Pia. She was a great Universe. I do not care for Steve Harvey. I think he is an idiot and a very bad host. Catriona just annoys me. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 00:42:00 06/13/21 Sun Steve wrote a misogynistic book telling women how to keep men or some other foolishness. Everytime he opens his mouth I cringe because he's bound to say something offensive. Dude's like one of those racist grannies - views that are old and gross and need to catch up with society or shut up. -- the audacity he has of writing a relationship advice book when he's on wife #4, 02:50:29 06/13/21 Sun

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Author: Erika [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:09:25 06/02/21 Wed Shanna Moakler launches OnlyFans account Wonder if she sought out and received permission from Crystsl [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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For what? From my understanding stage directors are independent and can do as they please? But I don't know why anyone would pay to see her? (NT) -- Original Rican, 11:26:52 06/02/21 Wed Her comments about Kenya Moore made me laugh consider she has an Only Fans and spread her legs for Play Boy. (NT) -- ...., 17:18:35 06/02/21 Wed Kenya Moore should go in on Shanna. But I would say Kenya star is shinier in present day. (NT) -- Original Rican, 17:26:51 06/02/21 Wed They both sold their souls. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 01:38:41 06/03/21 Thu This is sad. This is so sad. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:11:28 06/02/21 Wed Could Crystle Stewart take the Nevada and Utah franchises away from Shanna Moakler? (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 01:04:32 06/03/21 Thu This OnlyFans garbage only hurts Shanna's pageant brand, so I can't see how Crystle can keep her on board as a director unless Stewart needs the cash as much as Shanna apparently does. What are your thoughts? And since you are a fan of basketballs, will you be signing up to view Shanna's? lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 01:29:17 06/03/21 Thu Lol. Here is the thing, just like a pageant is empowering I bet Kelli McCarthy will argue spreading her legs is empowering. Knowing Shanna, she will say it's empowering to be on onlyfans. I'm fed up with that site, I'm not paying money for things that used to be free on other sites. But I'm looking at men 😂 (NT) -- Original Rican, 01:45:08 06/03/21 Thu @ Rican: You bring up a good point, which is one many conservatives have raised. There is no set definition of feminism or female empowerment because every feminist defines it to their liking. Some believe sexualizing women is due to the evil patriarchy. Others believe it's a sign of liberation and independence. lol But one thing is certain -- MUO wants nothing to do with McCarty, which shows their perspective on female empowerment. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 02:48:06 06/03/21 Thu I think though that over the years, sex-positive feminism will gain ground. I noticed, more feminists espouse the idea of enjoying their bodies as a truthful way to fight patriarchy in the society. Thus, feminists like Kelly McCarty, Shanna Moakler or the porn actress SILVIA SAINT, etc will become more influential. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:58:16 06/03/21 Thu I hear you but do you think sex-positive feminism is something that MUO/IMG as well as their teen contestants and especially their parents will be able to swallow (wrong choice of words lol)? The squeaky clean brand they have conjured up allows zero room for controversy anymore (even if by pure oversight). (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:23:31 06/03/21 Thu That's an interesting conundrum to ponder upon. LOL. It is true that Shanna's antics did not please many of the conservative families throughout her tenure as state director or co-director in various states. I think even very conservative families on a local level expect their daughters to be involved in a project that is by nature very latté liberal and left-wing nationally. Church based charities will simply not cut it, and the conservative, prude milieux are aware of this. That is why, I do not think Shanna's OnlyFans' account will create that much controversy. We will also have to see if she will just feature sexy, sassy pics in there or if there will be full fledged close-ups of her genitalia. I think that might actually make a difference here. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:19:54 06/04/21 Fri It's not a bad apology but it's very calculated. She lightly acknowledges the accusation but doesn't full name names and specifies them. (NT) -- That’s sus, 20:55:24 06/14/21 Mon LOL I'm not signing up for that site. In all seriousness, this is not a good look for a USA state director. While the Nevada USA/Utah USA contestant pool may not suffer, the Teen contestant pools may take a hit. This news may result in mothers thinking twice before allowing their high school aged daughters to compete at Nevada Teen USA/Utah Teen USA. For we all know, Crystle Stewart could be down with the whole thing as this brings publicity to her new Miss USA organization. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 02:21:40 06/03/21 Thu Crystle bought the license from MUO/IMG so MUO/IMG still technically own MUSA and Teen. Therefore, their agenda will have to be maintained by Crystle even if she decides to inject more glamor into her event and change up the format. As you mentioned, I can foresee Shanna's antics generating backlash from many: teens, moms, religious contestants, prudes, feminists, etc. The damage has been done. All we can do now is wait for the postmortem. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 02:44:13 06/03/21 Thu Lest ee forget ... the California USA & New Hampshire USA franchises were pulled a few years back from the franchisee for his extra curricular sexual activities! (NT) -- Erika, 09:18:49 06/03/21 Thu Lol I forgot about that. But I have a feeling because he was a gay male that was the reasoning. In the same time period we had Rima, California 2009, and several others do risqué things. The only contestant I can think of who got fired was the Katie Reis, Nevada who I think was replaced with Helen Salas? (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:58:48 06/04/21 Fri I believe Shanna is a representative of sex-positive feminism, which will become more and more popular in both feminist milieux and among general public. Sex-positive feminism centers on the idea that sexual freedom is an essential component of women's freedom. These women oppose legal or social efforts to control sexual activities between consenting adults, whether they are initiated by the government, other feminists, opponents of feminism, or any other institution. Shanna is a great example of this movement, that is why I doubt she would be at any risk of losing her role as state director, especially in an already left-wing, very liberal milieu. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi)., 22:48:25 06/03/21 Thu for some reason the first that came to mind is a scene on their MTV show where Shanna was sitting around going "Travis, who's the first woman you went down on?" and him being like "You." and this being an immense pride point for her (NT) -- Carissa, 03:02:52 06/13/21 Sun

Subject: NH and VT followup
Author: NE pageant follower [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:43:34 06/13/21 Sun NE pageant follower with my two cents on VT and NH. I have a different perspective from naysayers. On state hoppers, I'm not concerned this year due to pandemic. Many moves and big changes happened in my own family so I'll give the benefit of the doubt in these two states. Even Alyssia announced that she was moving to FL, held the title for 550 days. With the three transfers in NH, it would be a very dull runaway so it's not bad to see fresh faces and at least the appearance of competitions in the two states. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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NH and VT followup -- NE pageant follower, 11:48:46 06/13/21 Sun People tend to overlook judging panel selection and producer tendencies. As VT went so will NH. Jessie would've been a great choice and gave the better answer but judges went with Joana who was okay all around but on state personality and charisma weren't there for me. So following with this trend and all pre pageant indicators, it will be Katie in NH. As a good friend of Alyssia, she is the only one prehighlighted on NH's instagram page. This is a subtle but big sign that she's the one but not as blatent as the VB gals and GH in Kansas. The pageant community here is small and everyone is connected so Katie and Cindy are certainly known among the MAO circle in NH and PA and assume USA now. Will leave it at that. She wouldn't be my choice but I'm a face gal. I liked Jessie and Paige in VT. -- NE pageant follower, 11:51:22 06/13/21 Sun It would not be surprising at all if Jessie Graves shows up @ AZ USA in July. (NT) -- AZ USA isn't that difficult., 01:36:53 06/14/21 Mon NH USA 2021 Top 5: Felicia Arsenault, Katie Carlson, Taylor Fogg, Alexandra Perkins, Camila Sacco. Taylor made 3 attempts @ CO USA. Camila made 4 attempts @ KS USA. (NT) -- Taylor could show up @ CO USA in August if she doesn't win today., 16:14:00 06/13/21 Sun NH USA Results. Winner - Taylor Fogg, 1st RU - Felicia Arsenault, 2nd RU - Katie Carlson, 3rd RU - Camila Sacco, 4th RU - Alexandra Perkins. Taylor has a private IG and no LinkedIn. Few facts gleamed from the web: CO native, Columbia University alum, law student @ AZ State University College of Law. (NT) -- So what's the connection to NH? Was it just a paper trail setup to get to Miss USA?, 16:59:36 06/13/21 Sun I'm curious as to what the winners connection to NH is also . There were 2 top contenders that are life long NH women and they crowned someone from Co .Before anyone ask no I have no connection to any of the girls. (NT) -- Ellen, 10:58:16 06/14/21 Mon

Subject: Voy Registered Users
Author: USBModStacey [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:25:44 06/14/21 Mon Hi all! Things have gotten a little less than mature on this board. I have noticed that Voy has fixed the Registered User option on the site. Please take a moment to register your handle, it is still anonymous, it just creates a level of maturity and posting for those of you who want this to maintain this a a public forum. https://www.voyager.com/members/?fid=215218 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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finally! am able to create my own account now. (NT) -- KMB, 00:33:43 06/14/21 Mon Thank you. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 00:42:53 06/14/21 Mon This is awesome! Thank you for enforcing this. (NT) -- Groove, 08:48:11 06/14/21 Mon

Subject: MISS TEEN USA 1997
Author: HIM [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:19:59 06/06/21 Sun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOReKguFI8I I re-watched one of my favorite MISS TEEN USA productions, ever. I miss when they used current music to highlight an opening. Some random remembers. 1. Kansas was beautiful. I believe she led after preliminaries. Oklahoma was a life-like Barbie Doll. 2. I love a stage with platforms and steps. No CGI. 3. Those songs – Who Do You Think You Are (Spice Girls), Where Have All The Cowboys Gone (Paula Cole), Together As One (Psychedelcatessen). Delicious. 4. I don’t understand why North Dakota was so underscored. She reminded me of a young Marilyn Monroe and gave off cool vibes. Her personality was infectious. She owned that stage in the opening. 5. Ivanka Trump’s (Illinoi”s”, competer) interview with CLW was very awkward. 6. CLW looked damn hot that night. 7. Tennessee was a fine winner, but looking back, she seemed more MAO material. 8. We got our first peek at Larissa Meek. 9. Kobe Bryant was a judge. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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1997 was a great teen pageant. I loved the men in black number. Christy looked ready to compete at miss usa. Shamefully, she never won Texas usa and the final year she competed, she all but had the crown in her hand and they asked her a question about God and she faltered. I am surprised Autumn never made it to miss usa, she too was stunning. Tennessee was very miss america. Ivanka was a great host. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:34:21 06/06/21 Sun Scott Grossman outdid himself with the opening number. I can't believe those girls were bouncing up and down for that long. J Eddie and Ivanka would have had to drag my motionless corpse off that stage after 2 minutes of that choreo. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:01:12 06/06/21 Sun Watching the likes of Cristin Duren (FL), Mariah Bergmann (KS), Julie Nagel (ND) and Andi Mullins (TX) getting major coverage during the opening always made me happy. All the girls looked great and I used to try to do Scott's choreography for the 1997 opening. Many good dancers in 1997, I remember in contrast saying the 2005 class did not have many good dancers and well, I believe it comparing both those openings 1997 and 2005. (NT) -- NSI, 21:19:28 06/06/21 Sun Scott was mentored by Tad Tadlock. Post Scott, the choreography has been dismal. Granted, this year's miss Universe was a dramatic improvement. (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:37:03 06/06/21 Sun Cool piece of trivia! According to her Wiki page, Tad Tadlock worked on the MU 1988 show. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:40:06 06/06/21 Sun I think Tad was on board at least through 1994. She did miss teen USA 1993. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:29:01 06/07/21 Mon CLW final walk gown and look was screaming Miss USA/Miss Universe stage next...I thought she looked like a winner each time she competed at TX USA, I honestly though the winners the years CLW tried were very lackluster once they got to nationals...Kasi was pretty, but fell flat; NOB was okay, but those Mother of Bride gowns at state and nationals did nothing for her, but I guess I get the strategy trying to make her mature, and Stephanie G. should have won Kasi's year (if it couldn't be CLW) because Stephanie was forgettable to USA. (NT) -- NSI, 19:55:36 06/06/21 Sun Did NOB and CLW compete against each other? What were all of CLW placements? Another former texas teen that didn't make usa was Andrea Mullins. (NT) -- Original Rican, 20:19:57 06/06/21 Sun At TX USA 2003 in August 2002, NOB won and Christy was 3rd runner-up. It created a shock in the pageant world back them (or a shock among queens, LOL). Christie also placed top 15 another year at TX. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 20:31:11 06/06/21 Sun Wow. Did NOB win on her first try? I remember it was expected that CLW would make it to miss usa. But I have to give those Texas girls credit at least they stayed true to the state. The pathetic California girls followed Shanna to Nevada and eventually across the country. Nia, what is the capital of Nevada? 😂 (NT) -- Original Rican, 20:36:45 06/06/21 Sun Nicole did not make the top 12 in 2002 at her first try and won the whole enchilada the second time. NOB competed in exactly the same years at Miss as CLW, and I made a mistake with results. CLW was 3rd ru when Kasi Kelly won and at TX USA 2003, she only made top 15. So CLW and NOB went the opposite ways resultwise, Kasi's counterperformance in Gary where she looked like a deer in headlights shocked the Texan pageantry back then, as you remember... it was supposed to be a very, very easy win for Kasi. But it looked like this gurl was just too basic for comfort. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 20:47:10 06/06/21 Sun How do you all think CLW would have fared at MUSA 2003 had she won Texas instead of NOB? (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:59:26 06/06/21 Sun That's hard to say? NOB would have made top 15 but her styling was off for Miss Universe. I think CLW would have at least made top 10 but miss Universe 2003 seemed to be all about the Latinas. (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:01:55 06/06/21 Sun I meant MUSA 2003 (just edited my typo). But I agree. I don't think NOB would have surpassed Susie Castillo's Top 15 finish at MU. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:06:49 06/06/21 Sun CLW What ifs...USA 2002 - Top 12 or 5, bump out CT and really go for a back2back for Texas; USA 2003 - Oh Top 5 for sure, if NOB could CLW in my mind would have too especially since it was in San Antonio; USA 2004 - at least top 15 like Steph and maybe top 10 bumping one of the blondes like Alabama. (NT) -- NSI, 21:07:20 06/06/21 Sun Top 10 I think, maybe top 5 but maybe she would been too risqué for Susie to win (as this was the first year of Telemundo). But anything could have happened, I am shocked to this day Beth Hood still only ended up 4th runner-up, so I think top 10 would have been the most likely. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 21:12:52 06/06/21 Sun This comment led me to watch Miss Texas 2002 (the edition after Kandace won). Wow, such a competitive group with a lot of previous Miss Texas Teen USAs competing! (NT) -- HelloTeddy, 23:20:30 06/06/21 Sun That's one of my favorite reasons I really enjoyed Miss Texas USA 2002 along with the great opening number to "Let's Get Loud"...You had all former Texas Teen USA winners from 1995-2000 competing and you had the amazing Katherine Perello who hadn't even competed at Miss Teen USA 2001 yet looking amazing. Katherine actually stood in for Kandace during the prelims of TX USA 2002 in the opening number and she was awesome. Besides the 6 former teens you has Lana Wright eventual ID USA 2003; Candace Campfield, Nicole Neal, Brooke McDaniel and a plethora of well known Texas favorites or eventual favorites. I'd have to watch again, but I'd say there were up to 30-35 girls that were well known or become well known and unfortunately most did not get to USA. (NT) -- ValeneEwing, 09:00:24 06/07/21 Mon Wow, it never occurred to me that the teens from 1995 thru 2000 were in attendance!!! I could understand Christie Cole missing the cut but not Misty Giles and Nicole O'Brian. I've always been curious though: Why is it that the crown eludes former Texan teens, most notably CLW who won Teen USA? You would think that most of the 1995–2000 teens would have eventually won Miss. I know Texas is the most competitive state but it's just hard to wrap my head around this. (NT) -- HelloTeddy, 23:47:31 06/07/21 Mon Texas is very competitive. But to say this in comparison to some of the Texas winners is questionable especially in this 2000 to 2005 time frame. But it still baffles me how CLW lost. (NT) -- Original Rican, 00:48:51 06/08/21 Tue I didn’t realize CLW won congeniality at TX USA! Pageant patty and all! (NT) -- She didn’t seem to exclude warmth, 02:41:09 06/08/21 Tue CLW did not win Congeniality at state or ever, but in TX USA 2002 she certainly swiped up most of the special awards including Celebrity Swimsuit Award, Miss Photogenic and Interview Award, she was basically pulling a Denise Q, but did not win the crown like Denise won Universe. (NT) -- ValeneEwing, 14:02:01 06/08/21 Tue Sorry, I just saw on Pageant Update that she won it. Couldn’t believe it (NT) -- Seems the type to steamroll competitors, 21:45:06 06/08/21 Tue Is CLW the Miss TX contestant who has won the most special awards in the history of the state pageant? (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:05:17 06/08/21 Tue Christie Cole did not have the fitness level at the time she tried for MISS, but had a beautiful face still. Misty Giles competed 3x for TX USA and never made the cut surprisingly. Nicole's age probably was a factor her missing the cut her first time around I assume, her pink gown was rather young looking too, but I thought she looked good. It's odd NOB went from Teenish gown her first time at TX USA to Mother of the Bride status and in 2003 at TX USA and USA and won one and almost won the other. (NT) -- ValeneEwing, 14:08:42 06/08/21 Tue Oh, I just saw the Parade of States for the first time since I saw it in 1997. I never watched any parts of this pageant on youtube before nor had I videotaped it. I am not going to go through the whole pageant, so my opinion is not complete now, but I love Amanda Aardsma and the winner from Tennessee seemed very deserving that night, I still remember it how she rocked in different parts of it. I didn't recall the California's virginity declaration at all nor that so many iconic Miss or state Miss contestants actually competed later. How many times did Andria M. or Brandi Burkhart try to compete at USA, it should be around 9 or 8 for each, LOL. Did Teen Cali compete at Cali USA or in a different state or did she have to hurry up to get married? ROFL (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 20:28:11 06/06/21 Sun Andi Mullins competed 9x at state across 3 states; Brandi won NY MAO and placed top 5 once at NY USA; Cali Teen, Kimberly, did not compete for CA USA, but yes, did compete for CA MAO several times I believe. Yeah, the infamous covenant ring intro in 1997...I can almost hear it now. (NT) -- NSI, 21:00:30 06/06/21 Sun Illi-noise (as Ivanka so aptly called her all night) was my winner. She was pretty, modern and didn't have that MAO hairdo. I also loved Kansas and North Dakota. But LARISSA MEEK was the stunner that year and I wish she had placed. Mind you, with so many athletes on the judging panel, we all know she wouldn't have lasted too long. :)) CLW's final walk is my hands down all time favorite Teen final walk ever! Brooke Lee (whom I love) looked like a librarian compared to her on stage. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:45:08 06/06/21 Sun I forgot Kerri "My ankle!" Strug was on the 1997 Teen panel along with Kobe and Kim Alexis. I remember Kobe giving good scores to Illinois. (NT) -- NSI, 22:17:22 06/06/21 Sun Kerri sounded like she swallowed helium. Ron Duguay (hockey player) was also on the panel. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:46:06 06/06/21 Sun Idk who was more irritating, Keri or Nancy. But I think the most irritating athlete to judge a muo pageant is Nancy. I remember having nightmares about her crying back in 1994. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:00:56 06/07/21 Mon Couple more things about this pageant..North Carolina's very toothy smile...best example at final mark for gown look how she blasts those chompers and head movement, lol, so pageanty. And the Men in Black preformance with all the girls, CLW, Ivanka and J. Eddie Peck!!! I am stunned Ivanka was game to participate in that special number and J. Eddie with the weapon. Finally..."Ivanka, we wanna see your room!!!!" And Ivanka "having fun" with the girls in their rooms, trying on wigs and Idaho's "this is my hunk of stud meat..." showing picture of her boyfriend...and is it just me or did Eddie say something inappropriate to Ivanka about playing in her room, what?! (NT) -- NSI, 22:26:16 06/06/21 Sun I couldn't get past Virginia who looked like a blonde mini-me of Lu Parker (minus the billion thank you's). She had the same smile and beady eyes that screamed cray-cray! I'm sure her roommate still suffers from PTSD to this day. LOL @ Ivanka pretending to be a regular teen as she pretended to bond with those peasants. You know her stretch Rolls Royce limo was waiting outside. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:42:53 06/06/21 Sun Ivanka was what 16 or 17 at the time? I truly believe she was having fun. She didn't look like it was a forced segment for daddy. But I am sure once the fun was over she was air lifted back to her presidential suite lol. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:33:09 06/07/21 Mon Ivanka was 15. (NT) -- NSI, 08:50:09 06/07/21 Mon Good lord? Well it pays to have a rich daddy. Needless to say I thought she was sexy af. I can say that because in 1997 we were the same age lol. (NT) -- Original Rican, 18:57:21 06/07/21 Mon ivanka's way of speaking is so weird (NT) -- 90s fan, 02:45:42 06/13/21 Sun LOL! Virginia looked like she had too many drinks from the hotel room mini-Keurig machine. Her reaction at making top 10 always cracked me up (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 17:43:32 06/07/21 Mon She also bribed host J. Eddie with a t-shirt live on stage thinking she could kill 2 birds with one stone by peddling her own accomplishments while acting generous and giving! I would have loved to see her once the caffeine wore off. I bet it wasn't a pretty sight. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:57:44 06/07/21 Mon i thought Va was a sweetheart. (NT) -- l, 03:37:39 06/12/21 Sat CRISTEN DURAN won Miss Photogenic at BOTH Teen and MUSA. I believe she is the only contestant to achieve this feat? (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:46:54 06/06/21 Sun Cristin Duren still holds that distinction of being the only Miss Photogenic winner at TEEN USA and USA. (NT) -- NSI, 08:47:39 06/07/21 Mon This is the first Miss Teen USA I recorded on VHS so I have fond memories of watching this on repeat. Love that you noted the music featured in this pageant. Together as One by Moodswings is one of the best evening gown soundtracks ever. Wish this year had a Top 15 because I would have loved to have seen Missouri, South Carolina, and Texas compete. Kansas was my favorite and was convinced she would make top 3 but Tennessee was the clear judges' favorite to win. (NT) -- HelloTeddy, 23:28:54 06/06/21 Sun The EG song was lovely! Wish they used it again for another pageant. I loved Kansas and wanted to see her in Top 3 instead of Hawaii. After Top 6 questions, the scores were SUPER CLOSE between 2nd to 5th place. Hawaii scored 9.68. Illinois scored 9.67. North Carolina scored 9.66 and Kansas scored 9.65. I can't recall another pageant where scores were this close. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:44:27 06/06/21 Sun What was interesting about the 90s pageants was how the top 5/6 Q&A seemed to shake up the rankings. Hawaii, who finished I believe finished sixth in the semifinals, managed to squeak in the top three even if she didn't answer her (horribly worded) question. The judges must have awarded her for simply attempting a passable response? Definitely think Kansas earned a Top 3 spot and was shocked she placed fifth! I didn't really get North Carolina's placement but she did have a banging body. (NT) -- HelloTeddy, 00:27:01 06/07/21 Mon What was Hawaii gown rank? She was a pretty girl I'm surprised she never tried for Miss. Did Kansas ever try for Miss? (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:35:26 06/07/21 Mon Hawaii ranked 4th in gown (her highest rank of the three segments), which is what helped her edge out Virginia to land in Top 6. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 08:22:13 06/07/21 Mon Mariah of Kansas never tried for KS USA, but she did go on to become a dentist like she said she wanted to be. (NT) -- ValeneEwing, 09:02:31 06/07/21 Mon Valene, where have you been?? What were your mis Universe? (NT) -- Original Rican, 18:34:54 06/07/21 Mon Always alive and present my dear on the board, but Universe pissed the cr@p out of me. (NT) -- ValeneEwing, 13:39:00 06/08/21 Tue Don't feel alone. Miss Universe organization in general has pissed a lot us off. I miss the days of trump unfortunately. (NT) -- Original Rican, 13:45:26 06/08/21 Tue Always thought that 1997 was a strong year at Miss Teen and the Top 10 was good overall. Many of the girls looked hot during the intros with their hair down but then looked like Sunday school teachers with their hair up during the finals. Good examples of this were North Dakota, Oklahoma, Kansas, Massachussetts, and Virginia. I remember picking Shelly as the winner from the moment she was called into the semis. Would've loved seeing Kansas and Oklahoma in the top 3. Also liked North Carolina but thought she looked old for a teen and she had a weird way of talking. Always remembered when she was called in the 10, the girl in audience screaming for her sounded like she was getting mugged. (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 17:56:25 06/07/21 Mon "Ali, Ali, Ali...Whooooo!!!" (NT) -- NSI, 19:10:48 06/07/21 Mon Oh my goodness, I did not do that justice...I just rewatched Ali being called to top 10 and just laughing my butt off. (NT) -- NSI, 19:18:49 06/07/21 Mon I had forgotten about those shrieks and wasn't expecting them when I rewatched the pageant. I had to replay that part to make sure they were coming from the video and nobody was getting mugged outside my home. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:00:52 06/07/21 Mon loved this pageant . I liked tennessee but she mentioned sports too much Illinois or Kansas for me (NT) -- l, 01:54:15 06/08/21 Tue Being a tomboy and into sports is what won Miss usa and teen in those days. Jamie Solinger liked to play in dirty, Daniele boat Wright was an avid sports fan. And countless others. That wouldn't work today. The story in 2021 is girls who have been disagnosed with some type of mental or behavioral disability that they suddenly found out about in thier teens and that has led them to be a strong powerful woman today. (NT) -- Original Rican, 13:48:42 06/08/21 Tue i do not think Al or Gail wanted to deal with Christy winning again > A had a friend who knew them an Christy was very difficult (NT) -- l, 17:47:50 06/09/21 Wed I wonder if she was black balled from miss universe in general? Remember, it is well known that Keeley Sue Sanders and CLW did not get along at teen 96. I do recall reading that CLW apologized. (NT) -- Original Rican, 07:36:28 06/11/21 Fri where did you read this? From what the mom of another contestant said ( I pressed her to answer Cristy badmouthed Keeley all week to her class. The girls told Keeley when she arrived and Cristy played dumb d (NT) -- m, 03:29:46 06/12/21 Sat Yes that part is true. In terms of the make up I vaguely remember when keely started directing California she mentioned she accepted the apology years late later. (NT) -- Original Rican, 11:19:28 06/12/21 Sat I am in the process of watching old pageants myself. I just completed the Miss USA 1999 pageant with full scorings and everything. (NT) -- Declan, 23:25:29 06/13/21 Sun

Subject: MISS UNIVERSE 2020: YOUR TOP 5
Author: MU_Critic [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:52:01 06/09/21 Wed This was perhaps the most polarizing Top 10 and EG segment ever. 8/10 of these ladies changed their gowns from prelims to finals (a record, I believe). Which 5 would you have advanced had you been a judge? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Brazil, Jamaica, Mexico, Thailand and... uhm probably India. I forgot how sexy and cool was Brazil's gown (I have yet to rewatch EG for the second time). (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 23:29:09 06/09/21 Wed I'm actually surprised Thailand didn't advance even if it was a Latina year and an Asian wasn't going to win. Her Catriona copycat walk was a bit cringe but her dress color clearly stands out among the pack on stage. As for Jamaica, I love this woman but she looked unrecognizable in EG to me. Perhaps it was the makeup or her overall serious comportment. She also came out 20 seconds after her name was called so I wonder if like Peru, the assistants backstage snubbed her and she was ticked off because of it. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 00:26:38 06/10/21 Thu Jamaica looked better in photos. But live her looks were harsh. Had she smiled more like Mexico she may have placed higher. Thailand and all the girls in those horrible tippy top stripper heels should have been immediately eliminated. How Australia advanced to top 10 is beyond me. Puerto Rico looks matrimonly, the gown gave her no favors. I don't think I like any of them. I would have loved to see Cameroon and Bahamas they booth looked great in the gown parade. (NT) -- Original Rican, 00:41:51 06/10/21 Thu Re: Australia -- Her gown was supposed to have a gargantuan train with an avalanche of white feathers but she was denied by MUO from wearing it for finals because it was too big. Tom of Tom's Page of Miss Universe Mania made a good point in that Zozi kept talking about how women should take up space yet when the shortest contestant of the year wanted to take up a lot of space with her gown, MUO denied her. lol CLICK INSIDE for the pic of her complete gown >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- MU_Critic, 08:49:43 06/10/21 Thu This is blasphemy. I actually like the train but I wonder on stage would it have swallowed her up? Miss universe production is trash to begin with. How do you bring in Luis Fondsi to do top 5, he was a bore and waste. While I loved the opening number all those songs were dated. (NT) -- Original Rican, 09:11:01 06/10/21 Thu Fonsi's greasy serenade was one of the most awkward things I have ever seen. You could see all 5 finalists slowly veer away from him every time he turned in their direction. Even Gloria Estefan in 2004 standing all alone on that football field sized stage while her left earring hit the floor like an anvil was better. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 09:25:39 06/10/21 Thu It was painful. And to make matters worse that song is old and its not like he is a hit maker like Seal, 98 degrees, Boys II men. And to be fair Pitbul was no better. (NT) -- Original Rican, 16:05:22 06/10/21 Thu I enjotedThailand's performance in both EG and SS... though I actually prefer the coconut gown. I thought she would end up around 2nd runner-up before the final show, but as the only native English speaker, including her in top 5 would have been too risqué. Not that she was even top notch in interview, as she comes off a bit overbaked... but she is clearly stronger than Fahsai in interview. Anyways, Thailand is so winning the next edition... unless they crown a total cellar dweller, then it's either Philippines or Indonesia. As of Jamaica, I think she did fine but was a bit off during the night for sure. Dom. Rep. easily looks the worst in this group... as much as it pains me to say that. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:50:52 06/10/21 Thu I think the issue with Dominican Republic is that she was a robot. To her credit, at least she showed up in relevant gowns and not those 80s designs. Thailand actually had better gowns that were part of her look book. Thailand won't win anytime soon unfortunately. (NT) -- Original Rican, 01:04:53 06/10/21 Thu Re: DR -- I actually found her gown here quite dated looking. Gold lamé is usually associated with cheap 80's prom dresses. It's not a luxurious fabric. That being said, she played a good strategy in wearing the only gown that wasn't beaded thus standing out. The strategy clearly worked and now she can enjoy her free cruise. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 08:57:34 06/10/21 Thu You are funny, DR's gown looks the most passé of them all. But I am happy she ended up as 4th ru, as truthfully she was a bit unpolished... though the combination of Telemundo and BLM could have easily given her the win. As of Thailand, given the fact that they have such a humongous franchise fee, they will win. There will be even more sponsors from Southeast Asia as well. I think Amanda does not have an interesting background or much of a story and is not too memorable, and given the fact they were going to crown a Latina anyways, it is not a surprise they wanted her out of top 5. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 11:11:36 06/10/21 Thu Re: Thailand -- I would agree about Thailand being a risk in Top 5 due to her English speaking skills had India not made it. However, India was clearly supposed to be the best speaker of the bunch but self-imploded when she tried to sound like Lara Dutta. One of Thailand's biggest criticisms was that everything she said was generic as hell. She has a YouTube channel and even her stories about her experience at MU are generic and boring. That being said, I do agree that Thailand is due for a victory and it will most likely be an Asian year next year. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 08:55:22 06/10/21 Thu I think the problem with both India and Thailand is that they do not sound too relatable. India sounded too programmed at times, and indeed she did not use the top 5 segments to her advantage. And Amanda is a bit boring and generic, it sounds like she could have been coached by Natalue Glebova... she wasn't but she sounds like this. LOL (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 11:16:21 06/10/21 Thu Thailand reps are repeatedly copying Catriona and they end up looking silly. If they just showed up natural they would do so much better. (NT) -- Original Rican, 12:29:56 06/10/21 Thu Philippines started the trend of crowning foreign born girls with White fathers and they have been rewarded for it with MU wins in 2015 and 2018, plus their 2013 MW win. Sadly Thailand and Indonesia think they have to follow that trend in order to get a MU win. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 14:05:14 06/10/21 Thu I actually find full Thai and Indo women more attractive than the white girls. Only time will tell before Vietnam starts crowning white girls. (NT) -- Original Rican, 16:06:48 06/10/21 Thu The problem with full Thai and Indonesian girl is that they do not communicate in English well. So far IMG have been crowning girls who are proficient in English. Once IMG starts crowning more girls who are not proficient in English, Indonesia and Thailand will probably be more willing to send non-half girls. (NT) -- Ana, 17:27:30 06/10/21 Thu it is hardly that big of an issue. As example, Sarita Reth, this year's Cambodia's delegate was completely fluent in English. She was simply too thin and from a country with a lower franchise fee... but both her English and her interview were excellent. I can easily see a 100% Asian Thai or a Filipina or an Indonesian with excellent English (without any father or family connections). Thailand is winning the whole enchilada soon anyways. 👌 (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:33:36 06/10/21 Thu I think you're kind of missing my point here. I'm not saying that a full Thai/Indonesian with excellent English can't win. My point is that a full Thai/Indonesian with excellent English is rare. If they can find one, for sure they can win. But because a full Thai/Indonesian withe excellent English is rare, the national directors resort to choosing a half-Thai/Indonesian who can speak English proficiently. (NT) -- Ana, 10:17:10 06/11/21 Fri Honey. I believe you misunderstood me. We agree on all the points. Many full blooded Asian girls in PH, TH, ID, VN simply do not have great Englush speaking skills, but there are exceptions and beautiful girls like Sarita Reth in Southeast Asia. I look forward to having a full Thai or Indonesian MU. I think the problem with Amanda O. and Paweensuda D. is that they simply did not sound relatable and MU was going to crown a Black and a Latina in their respective years anyways. But Thailand is IN to win! (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 20:43:06 06/11/21 Fri Peru, Thailand, India, Australia, Mexico (NT) -- The other five I didn't really get, 20:31:20 06/10/21 Thu It still makes me sad not seeing Nicaragua in this she was in my top 3 -- Haley Herold NE 2011, 14:35:03 06/11/21 Fri I thought overall the gowns were strong compared to prior years. My top five would have been Puerto Rico. She was the most confident and her gown was unique. You could tell that she felt like a million bucks. Thailand because she was my favorite for the crown. I do wish she had worn her prelim dress though. Dominican Republic. Hated the gown but she was very confident. She wore the dress and the dress did not wear her. Peru. She is stunning and her gown was one of the best. India. Simple and elegant. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 21:15:48 06/11/21 Fri Overall I think this was the strongest evening gown competition at Miss Universe in recent memory. Some of these gowns may be better than others, but every one of these gowns is a standout. Hoping for more evening gown competitions like this in the future. (NT) -- ICEMAN, 23:09:04 06/11/21 Fri 2018 was pretty good too (NT) -- Except for Lu Sierra’s commentary, 03:07:48 06/13/21 Sun DR was the prettiest but also had the worst gown. Lifeless. Mexico looked like a lampshade. No words for Puerto Rico. Girl, get outta here with that. (NT) -- eloise, 23:29:51 06/11/21 Fri LOL @ lampshade! I hated all that mini fringe! Welcome back, eloise! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 07:09:31 06/13/21 Sun Please stop trying to be everyones friend. You literally come off as a phony. Next. (NT) -- IanSebas, 20:44:46 06/13/21 Sun Your hormone therapy is taking its toll on your emotions. Time to hold off on them, (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:59:28 06/13/21 Sun Her Medicaid probably got cut off lol bye welfare queen (NT) -- Ian S (NSI), 21:04:41 06/13/21 Sun This poster is a troll. They use the name IanSebas and now Ian S apparently. They take my posts from Misso and start them here. Now they're responding as me. Please disregard them. I am the real IanSebastin. My name is verified and this posters name is not. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 21:22:31 06/13/21 Sun Nobody’s thinking bout you! And now I see you finna start using my screen name to turn users against me by starting fights with them? Btch my threads are more interesting than your whole existence and they get more engagement than your lame ass. You may be verified but you’re still a troll. It’s like putting lipstick on a pig. I rest my case. Bye (NT) -- IanSebas, 21:39:52 06/13/21 Sun*

Subject: Do you miss Lu Sierra as runaway coach and commentator? How did her absence impact this year’s pageants?
Author: IanSebas [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:24:57 06/12/21 Sat Discuss [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Don't miss her at (NT) -- all., 09:35:57 06/12/21 Sat I found both miss usa and miss universe girls to be more natural without Lu. The problem is that Lu is a so called super model applying that mindset to pageant girls who then end up looking silly on stage. Lu needs to go to miss america, thoee are the girls who need extreme makeovers. Those women overwhelmingly are hideous and I'm not talking about facial. (NT) -- Original Rican, 11:15:35 06/12/21 Sat I miss the days of Scott Grossman and even miss J Alexander (NT) -- IanSebas, 01:57:36 06/13/21 Sun Overwhelmingly are hideous? And you do not see how this is online bullying? I would love to see a picture of you so we could tear you apart the same way. Then again, I am not that cruel. (NT) -- SMH, 05:35:56 06/13/21 Sun Lu appears to have moved to Ideal Miss and Miss Volunteer America (close to OG Miss America) (NT) -- so many systems now, 18:09:49 06/12/21 Sat Hopefully to never return. Miss Universe needs to fire everyone. Give a gay man control as President of Miss Universe and fire everyone in that NYC office. Esther can stay. (NT) -- Original Rican, 18:17:11 06/12/21 Sat I agree. Let the gays have it for a few years and watch out! (NT) -- TarHeel, 18:57:51 06/12/21 Sat We need someone like GuyRex. MU 2002 remains one of the best productions (if not the best) EVER!!! timeless AF (NT) -- IanSebas, 19:34:00 06/12/21 Sat The problem with Paula is that she is OLD! The problem with Paula in office staff is that they are not pageant historians and dumb. The problem with miss Universe production is that they are old. Paula is well past her prime running miss Universe. This year's miss Universe while an improvement over the embarrassment that was Atlanta was only good because of the opening. The rest of the show was horrid. (NT) -- Original Rican, 00:16:46 06/13/21 Sun The current team does not know their audience and it shows. They also talk a lot about diversity but most of the key people at the org are white and incompetent (NT) -- IanSebas, 01:39:13 06/13/21 Sun From what I know, everyone is white except Esther who has nothing to do with the pageant itself. (NT) -- Original Rican, 07:41:46 06/13/21 Sun How about we discuss your fake ass name. Quit using my name. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 00:34:28 06/13/21 Sun And who are you? Do I know you? (NT) -- IanSebas, 01:04:52 06/13/21 Sun Awww. Someone triggered? Obviously you know me. You keep taking my posts from Misso and posting them on this page. Favorite Beauty queen? Honey Lee? I'm used to being stalked by my fans. Now, let's come back to reality. Look at your name. Look at mine. One of them is verified and one of them is not. :) (NT) -- IanSebastin, 01:08:53 06/13/21 Sun Triggered? B*tch please. You sure do sound like it. ain’t nobody checking for you boo lol Learn how to read you illiterate fck (NT) -- It’s IanSebas —4 syllables for the record!, 01:18:04 06/13/21 Sun This will be the last time I address you. Again. Look at your name. Look at my name. One is verified. One is not. Impersonating another user is a term called cat fishing. Stop taking my posts from Misso and posting them on this page as me. You're not IanSebastin. I have been using this name on both Misso and Voy Forums for years. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 01:21:30 06/13/21 Sun Nobody’s using your name. Again, learn how to read. Goodbye! (NT) -- IanSebas, 01:25:47 06/13/21 Sun I miss Ali and Julie as commentators. They gave the girls more valuable tips that Lu never could. They were so sympathic and amazing. I would watch every show with them in it. Also Daisy Fuentes (NT) -- 90s Fan, 02:11:40 06/13/21 Sun Who choreographed this year? (NT) -- IanSebas, 03:21:59 06/13/21 Sun They need to bring back Carson as a commentator he was great. He always has sassy nice comments to say (NT) -- Sincere, 05:56:44 06/13/21 Sun I always enjoyed the critical commentators who also shared some trivia: Ali and Julie, Joan Rivers during MUSA 2010, and Lu and Carson were alright. I don't need to hear commentators telling me that yellow is the color of joy and that everyone looks fabulous. We have eyes, you know! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 07:02:05 06/13/21 Sun Joan went off script and we were lucky to have her at usa 2010. I would have been happy to have Joan for a few usa and Universe pageants but I feel like this was a one and done for her. (NT) -- Original Rican, 07:44:09 06/13/21 Sun Joan's greatest line at MUSA 2010 was when she said Missouri's gown looked like Gatorade. LOL! You'd never hear honest opinions like that nowadays. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:53:29 06/13/21 Sun I really feel that Jeannie was following a script. I know some girls feelings were hurt after usa 2011 from the honest and candid feedback. I’ve seen Jeannie speak about fashion and she can be very insightful and critical. Even Mexico 2012 you could tell she didn’t like the dress, but she was acting super positive. (NT) -- :), 08:29:40 06/13/21 Sun Nick Teplitz has been the script writer for at least 15 years. All hosts are reading off a script, Joan, Julie and Ali are likely the only ones who went off script. Olivia couldn't read a teleprompter to save her life but I bet she can read how many dollar signs her next sugar daddy has. (NT) -- Original Rican, 09:02:22 06/13/21 Sun You smell. Go and take a bath. (NT) -- IanSebas, 20:41:22 06/13/21 Sun

Subject: Favorite Queen!
Author: IanSebas [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:06:14 05/28/21 Fri Drop the name of your favorite Queen. I’ll start... HONEY LEE (Korea 2007) Ready! Go! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Maria Venus Raj, THE PHILIPPINES!!!! (NT) -- Veronica, 21:16:42 05/28/21 Fri It terms of OUTER beauty, she always left a lot to be desired. And this applies to her interview skills too. ROFL! (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:09:57 05/28/21 Fri That chicken wing contest where she had BBQ sauce all over her long spindly fingers left me with PTSD for 7 weeks. But it was refeshing to see a darker skinned representative from PH for a change. Her SS was good but that tin foil gown should have been enough to eliminate her on the spot. The "major major" issue in FQ was the icing on the cake for me. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:45:01 05/28/21 Fri Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. Venus has one of the best face in MU history. (NT) -- Jaane, 12:02:30 05/29/21 Sat Yass @ Nigeria, South Africa and The Future. Lbr halfies are ALWAYS the hottest. (NT) -- Ian, 03:19:06 06/13/21 Sun Honey Lee's side-eye when she was proclaimed 3rd RU said it all. She knew she was the odds on favorite to win. She knew the pageant world supported her. Her presentations were lovely. She was facially gifted compared to all other previous Miss Koreas combined. The answers to all five FQ's stunk that year. So, what happened? (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:53:11 05/28/21 Fri Did Ines direct Honey and Japan in 2007? If I recall, trump wanted Japan in his pocket during three years so their win wasn't completely unexpected. Honey though was perfection, I would have put her and Japan top 2. But the biggest justice was Mexico missing top 5. (NT) -- Original Rican, 00:04:20 05/29/21 Sat Ines only directed Riyo in 2007. In 2008, she directed Japan and coached Korea (remember the giant black garbage bag ball gown she put her in? lol). She never bought the Korea franchise. Many believe Riyo's win was propped up by Kurara Chibana's success from the year before. Kurara charmed her way to Top 2 in 2006 but there was no way she was going to beat Zuleyka after the chain gown appeared. I wanted Mexico and Nicaragua 2007 to fall through the stage like Yaritza. Couldn't stand either of them. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 02:21:03 05/29/21 Sat Mikimoto and Tadashi were sponsors in the 2000s so that also overlaps with Japan's comeback in that time. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 12:27:27 05/29/21 Sat Oh Tadashi and Mikimoto. The golden days of MUO! -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 03:25:35 05/30/21 Sun They were replaced with Sherri Hill and Diamond Nexus Labs so that says it all, doesn't it? lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:52:25 05/31/21 Mon Mikimoto has been a sponsor since 2000 (or maybe even earlier) but Japan only started placing in 2003 and Tadashi wasn’t even a sponsor that year. I really don’t think these sponsors cared whether Japan placed or not. Japan also only made the cut 4 times during this era. You would think they’d place more (NT) -- IanSebas, 01:55:56 06/13/21 Sun Honey Lee went to Miss Universe as a Latin Americanized contestant, from plastic surgery to catwalk. The before and after photos are floating around cyberspace. It's well known that South Korea is a plastic surgery obsessed country. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 12:25:50 05/29/21 Sat Cali_Dude and I discussed this under another thread once. Honey definitely went under the knife but she is the only Miss Korea I can think of who actually looked better after her surgeries. The others looked just as bad as their before photos. lol And her cute man-made dimples were so deep you could have poured cheerios and milk into them and dived in for breakfast. CLICK INSIDE to see the transformation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- MU_Critic, 20:56:39 05/31/21 Mon Yes Honey's transformation was much better and she looked gorgeous compared to the more recent Korean reps who look like they're faces got stretched and just look completely off in their attempts to look more westernized (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 09:19:58 06/04/21 Fri The last few miss Koreas head are bigger than their bodies. It's so unfortunate because there are so many beautiful Koreans girls in the usa but the ones they send to miss universe are atrocious. (NT) -- Original Rican, 16:07:26 06/05/21 Sat Exactly. Something has been off with the Korean reps during the last decade. Their faces look more bloated and stretched and reminds me of my sisters Barbie dolls when their faces would get smushed in. I always found the Korean girls from pre-2000 more naturally pretty. (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 08:13:39 06/07/21 Mon What's the story behind Korea 2008? If I recall she was a heavy favorite as well. Why did Ines throw in the tag (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:41:41 05/30/21 Sun Korea 2008 only got hype because Ines was associated with her. However, she looked way better than Japan that year yet Japan made the Top 15 while Korea clapped. This shows the power of the franchise fee even though Korea looked 20x better than Japan that year. CLICK INSIDE for Korea's prelim EG performance where Ines put her in a hefty bag ballgown >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- MU_Critic, 20:59:30 05/31/21 Mon Omg that gown is horrid. But it is miles better than the Thanksgiving turkey gown Japan 2005 sported. (NT) -- Original Rican, 23:24:20 05/31/21 Mon Obviously, Alyssa Campanella. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 00:34:31 05/29/21 Sat She was terrifyingly thin for a while. I haven't seen her in a long time but I hope she left that behind. (NT) -- Concerned, 02:19:40 06/13/21 Sun Jennifer Hawkins (NT) -- Jhawk, 12:06:24 05/29/21 Sat Lenka Nemer Miss Bolivia 2020 (NT) -- WilliamNYC, 04:08:24 05/30/21 Sun She looked ravishing during the final telecast. I don't know why she didn't opt for this look during prelims. She was fantastic otherwise! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:51:23 05/31/21 Mon The winners of today can not match the ones I have listed and I dare anyone to deny! Sentimental Favorite: Sylvia Hitchcock, Personal Favorite: Amanda Jones, Historic Favorite: Janelle Commissiong. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name...with a nod out to my home state girl: Michelle McDonald, 09:37:55 05/30/21 Sun Leila Schuster -- Smile Pretty, 16:05:38 05/30/21 Sun The REAL winner of MU 1993! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:51:39 05/31/21 Mon Let’s redo that pageant! Can’t believe it!!!!! -- Smile Pretty, 22:21:59 05/31/21 Mon I was never a fan of Leila, her constant opening of the mouth when she smiled was irritating. I do think Voni should have been top 3, her as and gown performance was excellent. I have never been on the dayanara following but I loved her tour around the 1, 107 islands of the Philippines in 1994 😂 (NT) -- Original Rican, 18:25:53 06/03/21 Thu Dayanara only won me over when she lip synced that one line during the "Whole New World" musical number. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:36:07 06/05/21 Sat She married Marc Anthony lol (NT) -- Aga Mulach, 02:05:55 06/13/21 Sun I agree Leila got lowballed during the finals since she had won the preliminaries. My theory that the same set of judges totally turned against her can be that her hairdo in the finals made her look old when compared to the prelims where she wore her hair down during swimsuit. During the prelims she had more sex appeal, whereas in the finals she looked more like a congressman's wife. Also think the disappointed Mexico City crowd had an effect on the judging that night. Also found her hanging open mouth irritating at times and just made her look even more older (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 09:32:59 06/04/21 Fri You hit the nail on the head as usual, Cali! The congressman's wife look was something that seemingly worked for Michelle Mclean the year before, so I assume Leila thought it was the winning strategy. She should have kept her hair down for SS at the very least. And her mouth was open for so much of the night one could have thrown ping pong balls into it from the first row. That being said, we haven't seen a Miss Brazil like her since and if there was going to be one finalist in a white gown that year, it should have been her over Yari. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:53:26 06/06/21 Sun 2021: Peru; 2013: Spain; 2010: Philippines; 2009: Dominican Republic; 2007: Korea; 2003: South Africa; 2001: Nigeria; 1999: Philippines; 1993: Australia; 1992: India; 1990: USA; 1987: Italy; 1985: Spain. (NT) -- That's how far back I can go., 16:17:22 06/01/21 Tue Courtney Gibbs and Carolina Gómez (NT) -- JustM, 17:00:42 06/01/21 Tue Minorka Mercado, Paula Andrea Betancourt, Dene Mendez, Milka Chulina and Benita Mureka Tete. Love them or hate them, you definitely remember them! (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 11:24:41 06/02/21 Wed Was Benita the first African black girl to make the cut? (NT) -- Original Rican, 02:00:49 06/03/21 Thu At MU, yes. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 02:03:19 06/03/21 Thu Benita was outstanding and was my personal winner that year! MU 1985 and 1987 were parallel for me. Deborah Carthy Deu and Cecilia Bolocco both looked like they were in their 50s and I will never get their wins no matter how personable they came across. In addition, their respective 1st RU's (Spain '85 and Italy '87) looked like twins. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 02:13:59 06/03/21 Thu Deborah and Cecelia I think won because of the the 1980s look of big hair, make up, gowns. Ala dynasty, knots landing. Cecelia was going to win after Bob fawned over her in interview. Deborah was hideous but her year was rather lack luster. (NT) -- Original Rican, 08:10:46 06/03/21 Thu Deborah Carthy Deu was one of the most dullest winners that had the personality of a door hinge. Every time she spoke she sounded so robotic and lacked any emotion. I get how she fit the whole Dynasty vibe that was big at the time. That was a weak year overall and of the top 5 I would've went with either Spain or Zaire. Uruguay was just sloppy looking and just could not get over Venezuela's huge hair. (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 09:39:16 06/04/21 Fri I don't fault PR. This is all on Spain and that EG. She is the only one of the finalists who did not place in the Top 5 of the three SF events as she placed sixth in EG. That was too much ground to make up. With the final look, the judges could not get past Spain's EG. This is on Teresa. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 10:13:01 06/07/21 Mon This doesn't answer your question, but is some history: The first African continent woman to make the cut at MU was Miss Union of South Africa in 1952. She made Top 10, but she was white. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 07:21:45 06/03/21 Thu Wow so it took 30 years for a black African to make the cut? My favorite black girl from another region was Gerti, miss Haiti. She was absolutely stunning and should have won. (NT) -- Original Rican, 08:08:07 06/03/21 Thu The lack of African contestants is not surprising. During the 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s, many African nations were gaining their independence and dealing with forming a government, an economy, poverty, and education. Sending a rep to MU was not a priority. African reps, other than SA, were sporadic. Whereas today, African reps have multiple opportunities to hone their skills to be a contestant plus there are sponsors in countries who provide financial support. When SA won in 1978, there were only three reps from the African continent: SA, Morocco, which last sent a rep in 1975, and Lesotho, which debuted. In 1977, the only African continent rep was from SA and in 1979, other than SA, both Bophuthatswana and Transkei sent reps. Interesting, Lesotho, Bophuthatswana and Transkei were all within the SA borders. Only Lesotho remains an independent nation while the other two are now officially part of SA. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 10:54:16 06/03/21 Thu Prior to 1985, the only African countries that made the cut @ MU were South Africa (Top 10 1952, Top 16 1953, 3rd RU 1960, Top 15 1963, Top 15 1965, Winner 1978, Top 12 1979, Top 12 1982, 1st RU 1984) and Morocco (Top 15 1957). African countries that sent delegates to MU prior to 1985 were Tunisia (1960, 1964, 1965, 1968-1971), Madagascar (1961), Rhodesia (1961; now Zimbabwe), Dahomey (1962; now Benin), Nigeria (1964), Congo (1968-1971; now Democratic Republic of the Congo), Zaire (1972, 1984; now Democratic Republic of the Congo), Liberia (1974-1977), Senegal (1974), Mauritius (1975-1979), Réunion (1977-1984), Lesotho (1978), Bophuthatswana (1979; now part of South Africa), Transkei (1979, 1981-1983; now part of South Africa), Namibia (1982-1984), Gambia (1983, 1984). Zaire 1972 was awarded Miss Amity. Gambia 1983 was awarded Miss Congeniality. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 12:42:39 06/03/21 Thu Why is it that miss world has damn near every country in the world and miss universe barely reaches 95? And why are the African girls better prepared at miss world? (NT) -- Original Rican, 18:27:34 06/03/21 Thu Listed inside are African countries that made the cut @ MU from 1985-now and African countries that sent delegates to MU from 1985-now. -- Basketball_Fan, 19:43:09 06/03/21 Thu It's amazing that Botswana has a winner and nothing else! Talk about the firefly effect. For those who watched the MU 2001 prelims, Botswana that year was strong (she looked like a more polished and updated Mpule). SA clearly wins in Africa by a country mile. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:15:47 06/03/21 Thu Along with the Caribbean, it looks like Africa has suffered the most at miss Universe. Can you post a list of the islands representation? (NT) -- Original Rican, 07:03:07 06/04/21 Fri Caribbean Islands @ MU. See inside. -- Basketball_Fan, 11:33:49 06/04/21 Fri Interesting. Jamaica is very successful but has not won. This year's rep had the potential but was horrible on finals. I'm impressed that so many islands still compete and never make the cut. (NT) -- Original Rican, 12:37:13 06/04/21 Fri Jamaica suffers from styling issues. The 2010, 2017 reps looked like they were competing in a different decade and as much as I love Miqueal, she looked unrecognizable during the finals -- especially during the EG round. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 05:48:22 06/05/21 Sat Remember she was about 15 seconds late to the stage and that threw her off. Had she brought it, I think she would have made top 5 (NT) -- Original Rican, 22:07:59 06/05/21 Sat Sweetheart. The delegates represing Sint Maarten in 2000 and 2006 used an anglicized name of the island, which is the same as Saint-Martin (St. Martin, as short). The French side was never represented at Miss Universe, these were the delegates from the southern, Dutch side.. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:59:26 06/12/21 Sat Another region that has been underrepresented @ MU are the Pacific Islands. Hawaii (1st RU 1952, 2nd RU 1958), Guam (Top 15 1970, 1st RU 1982), Tahiti (Top 12 1980, Top 12 1981) have made the cut @ MU. Pacific Islands that have participated @ MU are Micronesia (1975), Samoa (1975-1978; 1981-1986 as Western Samoa), Northern Marianas (1976-1999, 2001, 2002, 2006), New Hebrides (1978; now Vanuatu), Fiji (1979, 1981), New Caledonia (1982), Cook Islands (1983-1986, 1991, 1992, 1994-1996, 1999). (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 15:19:50 06/05/21 Sat Most of the girls from the counties of these regions are there to make up numbers, with the occasional placement. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 16:14:54 06/05/21 Sat The fact that Patty Chong Kerkos was the last Pacific Islander to place 39 years ago says it all. Some universe, eh?! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:10:10 06/05/21 Sat Some randoms: Honduras 1955, Suriname 1958, Malaysia 1970, Virgin Islands 1971, Belize 1979, Bermuda 1979, Turks and Caicos 1987. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 09:42:14 06/06/21 Sun My favorite Miss Guam was Hilary Ann Best. She was 1970 MU SF and also won Miss Amity. She was an American, but her father was in the service stationed in Guam. Good she competed at Guam because look at who she would have gone up against had she competed at MUSA 1970. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 10:19:47 06/07/21 Mon P.s. Miss Transkei looked STUNNING in her red costume during the Parade of Nations. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:16:41 06/03/21 Thu Such a great piece of trivia. Her name was Catherine Edwina Higgins! If you Google her, you can see her image (I can't post from my phone). (NT) -- MU_Critic, 09:21:55 06/03/21 Thu No, memorable is someone like Maria Braafhied. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 08:14:15 06/03/21 Thu Her 1st RU placement is one of the biggest robberies in MU history. She was stunning, eloquent, intelligent, witty, looked like one of the Supremes and she actually answered her FQ. Total injustice! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 09:12:23 06/03/21 Thu So memorable that you can't recall her name correctly? She is the one and only Anne Marie Braafheid! (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 12:09:43 06/05/21 Sat Hmmm, but who remembered her rather than critique a poster's spelling. (NT) -- Positive Vibes Needed, 13:17:04 06/05/21 Sat Voni Delfos- Miss Australia 1993- Top 6 at Miss Univese (NT) -- TarHeel, 13:49:01 06/03/21 Thu I was all for Voni, but that gown was the epitome of a hot mess, even for 1993. (NT) -- JustM (nsi), 22:32:28 06/03/21 Thu Roz Purcell & Amy Willerton (NT) -- Groove, 20:36:30 06/03/21 Thu Purcell's elimination still stings today! MUO confiscated her finale gown designed by a Puerto Rican and forced her to wear Sherri Hill. I assume her hype was so strong at the time that Sherri wanted the prettiest gal to sport one of her hot messes. Roz obliged yet still failed to make the Top 5. I wouldn't cry foul had we seen some knockout gowns that year but Jamaica's 80s sky blue lace?! Philippines in 70's tin foil? Ukraine looking like a catalog bride?! Australia looked like she just rolled out of bed. Injustice! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:13:37 06/03/21 Thu Dude, you are right on with the runners up! Although, Jesinta Campbell was very likeable (Miss Congeniality) & cute, she had no business in the Top 5, let alone scoring a 2nd RU position. (NT) -- Groove, 18:43:19 06/04/21 Fri By the time it was down to the last 3 standing, I was sweating bullets. I could not believe Jesinta was still in the hunt. I wasn't a fan of Mexico, but I immediately became "Team Anyone But Australia." (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 14:12:43 06/05/21 Sat I was vice president of your team, Seminole! When Jesinta made Top 5, I spent the commercial break cleaning up the beer I spat up all over my floor. Then after her FQ, I started hearing weird grinding noises and realized it was my teeth. She answered best of all the finalists and even mentioned the Iranian-American SS sponsor. For a few minutes after, I thought the ding dong judges were going to reward her for it despite the fact she looked like a ferret. I still can't believe she outdid her countrywoman, Rachel Finch, from the year before by placing one spot higher! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:15:44 06/05/21 Sat LOL!!!! (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 20:49:14 06/06/21 Sun Amy Willeron was the biggest smoke in mirrors in MU's 21st century history... with such a facially unattractive delegate making top 10 based on hype. Groove, I am shocked you compare her case to Rosanna Purcell's, as you usually tend to have a good taste! (NT) -- LHawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 21:37:28 06/04/21 Fri Amy had the support of being a bombshell from a country that in the 90s through that point Sent the most hideous women to compete. Enter amy. My issue with her was that red gown and I think she worse stripper heels. It was all too much. Rosana on the other hand, her elimination is painful (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:53:01 06/04/21 Fri LOL! I was waiting for Hawt to chime in about his hatred for Amy! :)) Ironically, the red gown Amy sported during the EG round was Nicolas Jebran haute couture! Not sure why she paired such an expensive dress with Payless bargain bin shoes but that whole pageant left me in need of a bottle of Pepto. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 05:46:04 06/05/21 Sat 2013 was a failed opportunity. I still have nightmares over Erin trying to pull of Jessica Rabbit. The top 15 that year was forgettable. (NT) -- Original Rican, 09:48:11 06/05/21 Sat Honey boo boo, If she had a more attractive face, then I'd buy into hype. Add to that the fact that she created an Instagram for her 1 year old daughter for "modeling". Amy is a whacko! (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:30:53 06/06/21 Sun OMG, I thought Amy was a smoking bombshell! And in that gown, she reminded me of a real life Jessica Rabbit. With that said, between the two, my heart will always belong to Roz. (NT) -- Groove, 19:05:51 06/05/21 Sat I can't be the only one who thought the crown was going to be placed on the head of a European that year. 4 Euros made the cut with 3 of them placing in Top 10 (Switzerland -- whom I can't even remember was cut after SS according to Wiki). lol After EG, I had all 3 Euros (Spain, Great Britain and Ukraine) in my Top 5. I didn't realize it would be a Latina-fest yet again.. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:30:39 06/05/21 Sat I think collectively many of us thought Europe had it. Remember, France was the one to beat but was absolutely dismal in preliminary. Poland was the winner of the Ruthie that year but like France, was a dud in preliminary. I prefered Spain over Venezuela. 2013 is a pageant I do not watch at all. The production was an embarrasment and that male performance was almost as bad as the reality star performer in the Bahamas. (NT) -- Original Rican, 22:05:56 06/05/21 Sat Believe it or not..one of my favorite Universe queens of all time was Milka Chulina. From her flowy hair to her quest for world peace and democracy, I just found her to be so endearing. I still remember catching her on the local Univision channel when she would co-host Super Sabado Sensacional and there was one episdoe where she was out in the streets of Caracas and she got mobbed by a bunch of fans. My only complaint about her was her love for gowns with huge hoop skirts that can devour and hide her competition (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 09:06:17 06/04/21 Fri Milka had that Evita Peron quality about her. When she spoke, people not only listened but placed their right hands on their hearts in allegiance. She's the only woman I know who can sport a bra-gown and still get people on their feet to pledge their loyalty to the Venezuelan flag. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 05:34:58 06/05/21 Sat During the Miss Universe evening gown competition, I wish Milka would have worn the Black dress she had on when she crowned Minorka Mercado as the next Miss Venezuela. That dress was hot. The Mexican crowd would have gone WILD, as would the judges. (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 14:17:55 06/05/21 Sat Yes, that's the bra-gown I was referring to. CLICK INSIDE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- MU_Critic, 21:33:21 06/05/21 Sat LOL!! Love it!! Milka did have that Evita vibe. Just pulled out my Miss Venezuela 1993 to see that farewell speech and wow you weren't kidding about her getting the auditorium on their feet (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 10:05:43 06/06/21 Sun Thanks for posting this picture, MU_Critic. Milka looks amazing here. (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 20:55:59 06/06/21 Sun Another one is Laurianne Gilleron. Of the top 5 that year, was rooting for either Laurianne or Japan to win. Just found Laurianne to be gorgeous and fresh during an era when fierce and programmed competitors were more revered (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 09:13:43 06/04/21 Fri Oh, I adored Laurianne! Her gown was simple, but it worked, especially the hot pink color. We rarely see hot pink at Miss Universe. Out of that Top 5, she was my winner as well. (NT) -- Groove, 18:46:42 06/04/21 Fri Zuley's chain gown was in a league of its own but yes, my next favorite gown in that Top 5 was Laurianne's hot pink number. Trump loved JHawk, so I am sure he would have appreciated Laurianne's looks as well but Telemundo slipped into the equation. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 05:43:12 06/05/21 Sat I thought her chainmail gown was very polarizing, but she pulled it off & looked amazing in it! (NT) -- Groove, 19:11:33 06/05/21 Sat I agree. As much as I wasn't a fan of the chain gown, when Zuleyka came out in it with her hair slicked back like she just got out of a hot shower, I remember thinking 'watch she's gonna win" (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 10:08:10 06/06/21 Sun How do you achieve that hair style? (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:45:45 06/07/21 Mon lol. I'm thinkin they must've used a backstage sink and just sprayed her hair and slicked it back with some mousse or gel. But it worked with the gown as I couldn't see her hairstyle earlier in the evening complementing the chain look (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 08:08:37 06/07/21 Mon You read my mind, I was just thinking about Laurianne! (NT) -- Simply unforgettable, 00:03:25 06/06/21 Sun Oh Lauriane, it just was not meant to be. Laurine did some Nescafe commercials with George Clooney and Matt Damon (I think) years back and she looked gorgeous. (NT) -- ValeneEwing, 09:06:22 06/07/21 Mon USA: Ali Landry and Shanna Moakler. And for UNIVERSE: Riyo Mori and Zulyeka Rivera (NT) -- ICEMAN, 16:14:34 06/05/21 Sat Angela Visser (NT) -- Beautiful, sweet, and kind, 21:06:14 06/05/21 Sat Ross Walters...easy answer (NT) -- LOL, 03:36:29 06/12/21 Sat

Subject: teen usa before or after
Author: k [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:47:28 06/05/21 Sat Of all the ladies who went to teen usa and returned who looks better as a teen and who looks better as a Miss. NO badmouthing [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Most teens look better at usa. The only 2 I can think of who made a severe downgrade were Georgia and Michigan 1999 (NT) -- Original Rican, 22:10:33 06/05/21 Sat meridith young, Brandy Sherwood and Danielle Boatwright all looked better in Teen (NT) -- p, 22:43:16 06/05/21 Sat Meredith, yes but in less than 10 years aged 50 years. Danielle and Brandy looked like teens at teen but both looked like women at usa. Brandy was perfection. My issue with Danielle was she was melting by the end of the night. (NT) -- Original Rican, 23:41:54 06/05/21 Sat Melting patty goo, odd facial gestures and that Kansas kick stance...oh Dani. (NT) -- NSI, 03:26:32 06/06/21 Sun By the time the FQ rolled around, you could see Danielle's hairspray was giving way as well. Her roots were starting to curl and there was tons of frizz. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 04:33:12 06/06/21 Sun Lol I always thought perhaps she had low blood sugar because of the sweating and the facial movements. She was beautiful though. How do you think she would have stacked against the field at miss Universe? Ironically, I think she would not have did any better than Ali. If I recall Ali won preliminary and was very strong in semi but bombed the judges question? (NT) -- Original Rican, 09:09:34 06/06/21 Sun I think "bombed" is too strong of a word for Ali's OSQ...she still scored in the 9.60s just a couple of hundreths below Russia and Mexico, yeah, the answer was rather blah and safe, definitely not bomb status at least to me...and lets be honest I'm still rather surprised Finland and to a lesser extent Aruba did well enough in OSQ to progress to final 3, but I think we all could sense Alicia was going to win and it was a race to 1st or 2nd RU for the remainder. (NT) -- NSI, 09:22:18 06/06/21 Sun If you look at the MU 1996 scoring, it was looking like the biggest USA/Venezuela battle in 10 years. I thought USA answered the Top 6 question fine but for whatever reason the judges changed their minds and dropped her from 2nd in semis to 6th overall. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 11:05:47 06/08/21 Tue I think Dani and Becca would have both placed top 6 too with Dani possibly beating Finland for a top 3 spot . (NT) -- NSI, 09:25:07 06/06/21 Sun Ali's answer to her FQ at MUSA was also underwhelming and she didn't answer the question. This was foreshadowing as to what was to come at MU. Dani would have placed in Top 6 and like NSI says, I think she would have nudged Finland out of Top 3 (although I loved Finland and her gown that year). But if we are to look at FQ from MUSA, Dani answered the best and Becca also gave a direct answer to the question. It was only the facially gifted Ali who skirted around it yet won. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:47:12 06/06/21 Sun Danielle was clearly freaking out, she must've been so anxious that she couldn't help it. I think it got down to who kept poise under pressure and that's why Ali won. If Danielle made it to Universe she would've killed it! (NT) -- Philly Fan, 10:56:39 06/08/21 Tue Danielle Boatwright won prelims and semis by a large margin but lost momentum in the Top 6 round. Had she won Miss USA, I think we would've gotten the most epic USA/Venezuela battle ever @ MU; I would've had Venezuela win and USA 1st RU. I mentioned before that Danielle was another missed opportunity as the US rep for Miss World; that could've been an epic triple powerhouse battle, United States/Venezuela/India. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 11:02:02 06/08/21 Tue When Ali was presented Miss Photogenic on a daytime show earlier in the week I felt she might've had the inside track. I was shocked (though I was rooting for her) as I felt Danielle was the one to beat. (NT) -- Great Miss USA year., 11:32:09 06/08/21 Tue Brandi was a goddess as a Miss. I really didn't get her win at TUSA and I thought she was gonna win USA until Brook gave her answer to the last question. She ended up being a great Miss USA! (NT) -- Philly Fan, 10:55:06 06/08/21 Tue Helen Salas looked better at Miss (besides that Pepto Bismol gown she wore) however she probably could have worn a trash bag and still make it to top 5. Her issue was that she seemed incredibly dense during the question/answer portion. But gorgeous girl nonetheless. -- Queen, 08:00:38 06/06/21 Sun Helen was too stiff but you could not get pass her face. The gown didn't matter as much but she really needed interview training. Didn't she only have a few weeks to prepare for Miss usa? (NT) -- Original Rican, 09:12:27 06/06/21 Sun Yeah she was one of the strongest facially that year in 2007. She didn't have much time to prepare at all after the Katie Rees scandal. Speaking of Katie Rees I still have NO idea how she even won Miss Nevada that year originally. She was not attractive in my opinion. -- Queen, 11:42:19 06/06/21 Sun Nevada crowned a few girls who looked like they moonlight at the cheap hotels off strip wearing feathers lol. Specifically, Nevada usa 2004. (NT) -- Original Rican, 15:04:16 06/06/21 Sun NV USA 2004...Vickie Franklin?? Really? (NT) -- NSI, 17:49:03 06/06/21 Sun Whoops I am confusing myself. Absolutely not, Victoria Franklin was great at teen but her stint at usa was forgettable. I confused the states I meant Utah. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:36:08 06/06/21 Sun Ah yes, Kyla Faye Dickerson...remember her intro girl was standing legs spread leaning on a railing... (NT) -- NSI, 19:45:38 06/06/21 Sun It also didn't help that she had that peroxide bottle blonde hair with a 99 cent store perm. She is a Mormon which completely was different than her look lol (NT) -- Original Rican, 20:24:19 06/06/21 Sun LOL! Kyla had a Tara Reid quality about her that only bar hopping until 5am the morning of a pageant can achieve. Shandi had a sexy intro that year! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 00:02:06 06/07/21 Mon The 2003 intro was the introduction of the 3 step: hand on hip , name, age, state, pose. Miss usa 2004 was about Beyonce fans pose, name state age, and fan blowing. 2004 was a great production. Then the mess of 2005 occurred that produced miss piggy high on 420. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:39:01 06/07/21 Mon Shandi nailed her intro at USA. (NT) -- NSI, 08:52:31 06/07/21 Mon Also at Miss Universe. Speaking of, why does Meg the intern upload all other Miss Universe intros repeatedly but Miss Universe 2004 is no where to be found (NT) -- Original Rican, 10:19:06 06/07/21 Mon She was gorgeous facially. My only "but" with her is that she seemed disengaged, as if she was not "there" when answering questions. At USA she was almost expression-less, but beauty-wise she was a goddess. (NT) -- Philly Fan, 10:58:14 06/08/21 Tue Two of my favourite teens: TORI HALL (Virginia Teen 2005) and GENTRY MILLER (Kansas Teen 2006). Both were incredible teens and frontrunners in their respective years. Tori was facially the most gorgeous in her year group although perhaps a bit too Miss rather than Teen? Her dress with the floral pattern and peephole at the bust area was deemed a bit too Miss. Gentry was the perfect Teen in my opinion - perfect combination of facial beauty and cuteness of teen. Whilst I still loved both at Miss, I think Tori was more forgettable and overlooked at Miss, and Gentry's look did not translate to Miss in the way I would have liked. No bashing at all as love both and think they are incredible. What do others think of Tori and Gentry? -- Aussie, 09:35:06 06/08/21 Tue Tori was beautiful. But I have always said her MTV real world and challenges stints hurt her at miss usa. But she was also weak at miss usa but I would have put her in over other girls that made it. (NT) -- Original Rican, 10:45:30 06/08/21 Tue Honestly I think Tori did not want the USA title as much,but competed anyway because I think she knew a lot of people wanted her to compete for MISS. I think Tori had already done some reality TV and just by her overall look at USA she did not have that front runner status as she did as a TEEN; I think Tori also had medical surgery or an emergency close to nationals and was kind of still not 100% by the time nationals came around. Oh Gentry, yes, indeed she was a great teen, so beautiful and sweet, I for one had her making it to top 5 because I loved her look in evening gown, so cool and fresh, loved the fun updo. I think Gentry was someone who should have tried later maybe between 24-26 because she still came across as young and when she competed at USA she also did not have that front burner status that she did as a Teen. I thought the hair wasn't great and the gown was rather "eh" and not right for her. I'm glad she did make it to USA though, but it wasn't what I had expected of her (NT) -- NSI, 13:32:07 06/08/21 Tue Catherine Muldoon looked better to me in teen since she looked overprocessed at USA. Same thing can be said about Denesha Reed and Allison Alderson. Allison looked great at USA and was surprised she missed the cut, but I just loved her at Teen with the brunette hair (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 11:13:44 06/08/21 Tue Both Tennessee and Pennsylvania were mega favorites prior to miss usa 2002. But both showed up looking a mess. Tennessee looked old and patty and Pennsylvania had horrible eye make up that made her look like a witch. (NT) -- Original Rican, 11:53:37 06/08/21 Tue Kelly Hu (NT) -- 90s fan, 03:14:19 06/13/21 Sun

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