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Subject: Complete the sentence
Author: Doot [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:48:27 05/18/20 Mon Many pageant fans are not wild about [name], but I really like her. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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My answer: I've always been surprised that Susie Castillo is not more popular. I loved the curly hair and her smile, and she seemed like a new beginning for MUO after a few weird years of Miss USA pageants. She has always been one of my faves, what can I say? -- Doot, 12:50:27 05/18/20 Mon Cecilia Bolocco. I thought she was sassy and fun. Loved her gown. Yet other diehard pageant fans I've compared notes with aren't nearly as enthusiastic. (NT) -- nsi, 12:56:57 05/18/20 Mon Venus Raj (that one is for you Lol). I love her energy and the fire in her belly. Amelia Vega, a winner whom I thought did all the right things. Constanza Baez, Yanina Gonzalez, Lourdes Arevalos, Gabriela Marcus, Jill Gulseth, Jacinta Campbell, Mariana Vicente (my fav Miss PR other than Zuly), Samantha Casey, Lindsey Hill, Ashley Durham, Stephanie Culberson, Carolyne Medley, Arielle Rosemarino, and many many more that I can’t recall at the moment. (NT) -- eloise, 15:12:59 05/18/20 Mon Also, not sure if the recent Miss Vzlas were popular or not but I also truly enjoyed them. I loved Keysi and the one from 2018. (NT) -- eloise, 15:31:14 05/18/20 Mon Oh one more!!! Jessilin Palumbo! I believe I was the only one who loved her but you guys were so gracious to not make fun of me lol (NT) -- eloise, 15:34:20 05/18/20 Mon Jessielynn was very well liked on here. I don't know how it happened you memorized no one liked her. People wanted her to win Jersey for years and she did well in Miss Mock USA. I think the problem was/what may explain her not placing... is that at the time she competed, it was maybe 2 or 3 years past her best look, she looked a bit on the mature side, I thought she interviewed ok, but I did not find the photography angle she emphasized too interesting. That is why I am not surprised she did not place. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 13:03:53 05/20/20 Wed Venus Raj made me LOL, thank you! :-) -- Doot, 17:18:03 05/18/20 Mon These kinds of question drive me mondo bec I inevitably think of more. Davina Bennet, Alice M (Ohio 2019), Claudia Moro (I LOVED HER), Thailand 2015, Sri Lanka 2017, Curacao and Puerto Rico 2018, Gazini (seemed a bit of an airhead and overtrained but I loved her look and her balls to wear a long pink dress in intro.) I also really liked Sofia (MEX) and was happy she finished 3rd. She was the most real that year. (NT) -- eloise, 19:02:13 05/18/20 Mon Erin Brady. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 15:39:52 05/18/20 Mon I think overall Brady was and still is well received. (NT) -- Pixie, 20:58:54 05/19/20 Tue I agree, I have always adored Erin Brady. (NT) -- thumbs up, 06:49:51 05/20/20 Wed I loved Erin Brady too. I just think she was just another countless victim of a SH gown at Universe. That dress looked like an overworked tacky Christmas ornament. (NT) -- JustM, 07:33:24 06/02/20 Tue That Sunday night that Erin won Miss USA she was just simply fabulous, absolute perfection. Then in the winter in Moscow her makeup look different, her hair look different, her gown was absolutely gaudy. Such a shame what they did to her, a la Alyssa. (NT) -- I'm sure a lot would agree with those sentiments., 18:57:24 06/02/20 Tue Denise Quinones.. I know the 2001 pageant just seem rigged for her to win with all the awards she won and how she got her own segment during the swimsuit competition. I loved Greece that year, but I can still see how Denise won. I think if the pageant wasn’t held in Puerto Rico, she still would’ve placed high (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 15:52:20 05/18/20 Mon I actually think she won fairly, very stunning. The homecountry support I think helped, but there were tons of times the homecountry girl made it far and didn’t win. They clearly liked and wanted her, if not she wouldn’t have made it far (won). I may be in the minority, but I think “homecountry advantage” and also “sash factor” are no such thing!! Sue me lol!! (NT) -- Pixie, 21:31:30 05/19/20 Tue Yasmin Verheijen comes to mind right away. I loved her looks and her performance. Many people think her 3rd eunner-up finish was accudental, but I think she fully deseeved it and then some. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 16:55:45 05/18/20 Mon Danielle Hooper -- Gorg, 15:54:43 05/19/20 Tue Cara Gorges- she just had such a pretty face to me and she had this edgy spunk. I know that gown did NOTHING for her but her professional Fadil shot was gorgeous to me. (NT) -- Sammy, 15:58:11 05/19/20 Tue Loved her! Was actually thinking about that year the other day! Looked her Facebook up and seems to be better than ever! (NT) -- Pixie, 21:33:08 05/19/20 Tue She just seemed so full of life on stage and genuinely happy to be there! I was surprised how young she really was (NT) -- OP, 09:37:13 05/20/20 Wed Dayanara Torres, She was a breath of fresh air (NT) -- chexmex, 16:48:12 05/19/20 Tue Desiree Duran, Bolivia 2006. Should have made Top 5 instead of Paraguay or even Tara. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 01:22:46 05/20/20 Wed Jessica Hartman. Most people seem to be about Samantha or Morgan but I wanted Jessica to win that year. I don’t recall many people got her top 5 placement. (NT) -- PF-Indy, 12:37:30 05/20/20 Wed MISS- Libell Duran. I don't think she was disliked, just not recognized enough. She had the prettiest smile and was just so damn gorgeous in her photos. I think she was much more photogenic than telegenic. For Teen- Brenna Mader. I really liked her a lot. But then she won Miss in my home state and I became kinda meh about her. (NT) -- We should do an updated post about overhyped winners, 16:21:06 05/20/20 Wed Rio. So nonconformist. I was pleased when she won. (NT) -- T, 16:15:04 05/23/20 Sat Mai Shanley. She appeared (obviously) at the 1984 New Mexico State Fair parade on a float fit for a queen. Think green and red chile peppers with the American flag as an overlay on her float. She welcomed everyone to the NM State Fair at the gates and you could not have met anyone more generous, sweeter and likeble, and not because of her National sash. She was downhome, warm, finely energetic, fabulously friendly, and no ego in sight. When asked, via the ABQ Journal, her triumph in being called into the Top 10 at Universe that year with the fist/arm pump was for the "hometown" USA. (NT) -- HIM, 20:46:26 05/23/20 Sat Kimberly Pressler! She should have made the cut at Universe. -- Karrie Postdenim, 01:00:58 05/27/20 Wed I agree. While she wasn’t my top pick, I still really liked and I still don’t get why some fans strongly dislike her to this day!! She deserved to place over some of the other winners that did!! (NT) -- Pixie, 14:58:34 05/27/20 Wed When Kimberly won USA, I admit I didn’t get it but grew to like her after watching the E! Special where they followed her during her Miss Universe experience. My heart broke when the E! Special showed her disappointment when she missed the cut (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 19:26:12 05/27/20 Wed Can we get a vid on that?? Also, I thought she was perfectly fine in the semi-finals and I agreed with her Top 5 placement. But her poor interview skills really shown through in her Top 5 interview, and ultimately I would have placed her 4RU (even though I felt she was better than California & New Mexico in the semi-finals) (NT) -- :), 13:59:32 06/02/20 Tue I remember on that E! Special, Kimberly was in her hotel room, eating a birthday cake and watching a delayed TV presentation of the MU preliminaries held earlier that evening. When it was her turn in evening gown she was so disappointed in her look and performance and thought she looked fat. I agreed with her because that gown she was wearing made her look heavy. She also looked shocked that she didn't make top ten. The Queen of Israel documentary follows Miss Israel at that same pageant. Both interesting programs. (NT) -- nostalgic, 17:38:19 06/02/20 Tue Deborah Carthy-Deu, Miss Universe 1985 is one of my favorite winners. A lot of people think she didn't deserve her win. To me she was elegant, poised, graceful, well-spoken, talented and beautiful. She just knew how to be a Miss Universe and was very good at the job, in my opinion. Back then when the girl was up front as the lead dancer, I would look at her as the ultimate winner. It seems many of the winners during that time were up front and center. Hmmm, I wonder how that happened so many times? Also, I loved Miss Zaire that year. In a way I was hoping she would win just to see the reaction from around the World. (NT) -- nostalgic, 17:25:18 05/27/20 Wed Neelam Verma, who, to this day gets little love on this board. Neelam was a wonderful surprise Top 10 at Miss Universe 2002. She did everything right and certainly earned her Top 10 placement in a very competitive year. (NT) -- MLB, 00:21:08 06/03/20 Wed I noticed Neelam is not especially liked nowadays. But back in 2002, she was quite liked in here fron the MUC where she was one of the favs and won. And she was a very good fit for that era with more muscular female bodies being in not only in pageantry but also in general among women. So she was perfect for 2002. I also completely disagree with her 10th place during the final, she deserved more. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 01:19:20 06/03/20 Wed I agree I still think her score in swim was a typo or a judge messed up the score. Now I love Germany however she looks like she was sucking in and she scored higher than Canada! -- Karrie Postdenim, 23:26:28 06/05/20 Fri

Subject: Who are pageant contestants and winners (since 2000) that you find overhyped?
Author: Sammy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:17:03 05/22/20 Fri I thought I would play off the post below about pageant contestants who you really like but others are not wild about. I know this post has probably been made in the past, but let's make a fresh one only with pageant contestants/winner in the millennium. Who are the pageant contestants and winners that you really dont like but just really dont get? I'll go first- Olivia Jordan (SORRY!!). I think she is seems very fake. I couldn't stand that fake laugh she did with her mouth. I didn't think she was facially strong either. Now that I think of it, I'm really not overly fond of any Miss OK USA winner. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Oooooh, ok. Here goes: The one who recently really bugged me the most was Thailand 2019, GORGEOUS but really irritating. Now, the rest: The Daltons, Chelsea Cooley, Cynthia Oliveira (again, gorgeous but seemed really mean), Riyo Mori, Morgan Woolard, Nana Merriweather, Amy Willerton, Tiana Griggs, Migbelis Castillanos, Anna Garcia, Brittany McGowan, Pia Wurtzbach (masterclass in patty but she seems nice so I want to like her), Ariana Miyamoto (super hyped), Laura Gonzales, Genesis Davila (ugh ugh ugh), Tianna Tuamoheloa. I realize some may not have found them hyped so maybe this is more about reps I didn’t like. There are others that I thought were over hyped but imo were deserving, ex. Shandi & Catriona. As well, I agree about OK winners, except Lindsay Hill. I loved her. (NT) -- eloise, 11:26:06 05/22/20 Fri More, I prefer the girls who quietly competed, placed well, and received the hype they deserved after the pageant. I love those and I’d like to see a post asking fans who they thought deserved more hype than they received. I’d put Davina Bennet, Colombia 2019, and Mexico 2019 on that list. (NT) -- eloise, 12:01:14 05/22/20 Fri Absolutely to those you listed above. In more recent years, I also thought Chhavi Verg (MISS NJ USA 17) deserved more hype and didn't get it. She was very pretty and I think really stood out that year. I remembered how shocked people were on this board when she continued advancing but I knew she would go far. (NT) -- OP, 12:29:21 05/22/20 Fri Yes!!! I wasn’t around on USB nor the FB group at the time so I did not know if and how she was hyped (and I forgot about her lol). Chhavi was magic. (NT) -- eloise, 12:52:26 05/22/20 Fri I really wish she had won actually!! I wasn’t crazy about her walks, but that is forgivable to me, and I think she could have cracked the final 5 internationally. (NT) -- Pixie, 17:37:32 05/23/20 Sat I agree with all. Thailand 2019 I feel played the blind eye route attention and it worked because she got the publicity. She was in regardless. My larger issue of hate towards Indonesia, Philippines, and Thailand is that the overwhelming majority of the their reps are mixed white. (NT) -- Original Rican, 14:33:46 05/22/20 Fri I dont get why we as pageant fans feel this way about Asian delegates of mixed race yet get excited when Europeans send their own mixed race delegates. Why is that? (NT) -- eloise, 15:25:50 05/22/20 Fri That is a good point. But I don't get excited about mixed race girls in general. Now if I was straight, I would be in love with them. But you are right I feel like African and Europe is always supported but Asia is not. I think a good theory is that at least with European and African, their mixed race girls faired pretty good. Asian countries especially Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia have consistently sent mixed race and placing. Whereas prior, they rarely made the cut. (NT) -- Original Rican, 17:40:14 05/22/20 Fri I think it comes down to percentage of biracial people in these countries. They are a very small percentage and de facto are not representative of their countries (Southeast Asia). There is almost always a similar scenario, a white father who is usually significantly older than the mother and they are often rich. A colonial mentality persists in that the ideal is to be as white as possible and this is the key to success. As half White people are orten gloryfied. As example 3 of Filipina MW and MU winners last decade had mich older fathers. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 21:09:18 05/22/20 Fri They all won though, so did the international judges saw their white heritage as an advantage? Or did their being mixed raced made them more universal because they grew up exposed to two cultures? And why are critical when the other half is white but we celebrate when it’s not? -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 03:40:11 05/26/20 Tue I think the answer below is spot on. It is unfortunate that whatever is white is still worshipped in a bit if a colonial way in the Philippines, Indonesia and Thailand, which was never a colony. Amazing girls that are full blooded South-East Asians lose opportunities to half white girls who often grew up in another country. No one would care if it happens once a decade, but it happens there all the time. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 13:37:06 05/26/20 Tue What disturbs me is how the asian fans WORSHIP these mixed-race women, while at the same time rejecting their own. This doesnt happen only in pageants. If you see TV, print ads, fashion, etc. in Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, etc, its all about the mixed ones. I loved Paweensuda Drouin but I was bummed by the fact that she is not even Thai, she cant speak Thai, she is CANADIAN and did not even speak Thai in her national pageant's q/a round, yet she STILL won (but Catriona was a judge and they are friends) and the fans were going berserk, IDK, in my country we support girls who have our blood and not coming from abroad just for a beauty title. (NT) -- G., 02:36:25 05/26/20 Tue Paweedunda does not even speak Thai? Oy vey!! (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 13:40:42 05/26/20 Tue She does speak Thai. In fact I think her Thai is actually better than Maria from ( Thailand '16 ( whom Farsai was a runner up to)) and Porntip -- Karrie Postdenim, 00:36:13 05/27/20 Wed And I think it is enough. It does not have to be her first language but representing a country without speaking its main and by far the most used language would be something... alarming! (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 01:06:32 05/30/20 Sat I absolutely agree. I think not being able to speak Thai at all is a handicap. Tamaryn Green's ( South African '18) her first runner up is competing in Thailand but sitting out this year so she can learn more of the language. Look for her to be a huge favorite during the Thailand's 2021 pageant season -- Karrie Postdenim, 07:22:07 05/30/20 Sat I did not care for Chelsea Cooley at all. Not. One. Bit. Had it not been for win, my fave trio of all time would've been 2005 (Allie LaForce, Natalie Glebova & anyone in the Top 5 besides Chelsea, preferrebly Kristen Johnson of Kentucky). With that said, I disagree that Chelsea was overhypred; in fact, I think she's one of the most polarized winners ever. I remember HiJake loving her (I miss him terribly, BTW), but he always thought outside of the box when it came to beauty pageants ;) (NT) -- Groove, 20:01:13 06/05/20 Fri I never got Chelsea Cooley AT ALL either. I still would love to know what she took a "bump" of right before that swimsuit performance. She also had one of the most blah looking gowns I've ever seen. It looked like it was constructed out of some old worn out sheets that would be hiding in the back of someone's linen closet. (NT) -- JustM, 22:00:24 06/05/20 Fri The one I really got after the pageant was Yendi in 2010. Not the most facially gifted but a fierce competitor! (NT) -- chexmex, 13:08:14 05/22/20 Fri I miss you guys. :( (NT) -- eloise, 08:23:51 05/23/20 Sat Crissy and I adore you. Glad this place is getting more action. (NT) -- chexmex, 16:11:26 05/23/20 Sat Paweedunda does not even speak Thai? Oy vey! (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 13:39:09 05/26/20 Tue I totally agree about Olivia Jordan. I get why she won that pageant, but I also found her very fake and annoying. Also, something about her lopsided open-mouth grin always reminds me of Jack Nicholson smashing down the door with an axe in The Shining. Another is Alyssa Campanella. I like her personality (she seems smart and cool) but physically she always seemed much too thin, even at Miss USA, and I was actually pretty dismayed that folks were holding her up as a standard of beauty. Fortunately, MUO seems to have moved away from the rail-thin body type after Olivia Culpo. -- Doot, 14:23:47 05/22/20 Fri I will get crap for this but...Crystle Stewart. No doubt she was a model with the whole package but the face was lagging IMO. Her face looked pinched to me and looked like she got a LOT of work done. Don't know if she did or not. But I think I would have been more excited had Leah Laviano won. (NT) -- ciara, 14:56:37 05/22/20 Fri Shandi, Riyo, Chelsea Cooley, and Nana. (NT) -- Mine, 19:21:23 05/22/20 Fri You won't get crap from me LOL! I think she's one of the most overrated winners ever. With that said, I think we're in the minority LOL. (NT) -- Groove, 19:56:52 06/05/20 Fri Líbano 2012 Rina Chibany Albania 2010 Angela Martini Irlanda2010 Rozanna Purcell Miss Georgia 2012 Tamar Shedania (NT) -- paco (bellas), 23:12:29 05/22/20 Fri Thailand 2019. LOL. They really pushed that one and it wasn’t a problem until she started copying Catriona and exaggerated her eye problem story. She was too focused on winning that she forgot to relax and be herself. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 06:59:24 05/23/20 Sat I just never got Haleigh Stidham (AL 2006), and her hair at finals was just a frizzy mess. Never understood all the hype with Jessica Rafalowski (Florida 2008). I'll probably be banned from the board for life and stoned to death for this one, but I never understood the fascination with Beth Hood (TN 2003). Just seemed like a lot of smoke and mirrors, take away the smoky eye and killer dress, and she was just an attractive girl. (NT) -- JustM, 13:22:27 05/23/20 Sat I never got Beth Hood either. She seemed so aloof and remote. At Miss USA 2003 she projected this image of someone who didn't really want to be there. -- Doot, 13:28:08 05/23/20 Sat Nia Sanchez. While she is nice and cute, didn’t find her to be stunning. She wasn’t particularly strong in swimsuit, gown, or interview and while I liked seeing USA finish 1st RU at Universe, still don’t quite understand the hype for her. Maybe she needed more stage presence (?). (NT) -- Samuel, 20:05:28 05/23/20 Sat Nia Sanchez. Her high-pitched voice was such a turn-off to me, at USA and at Universe. I've forgiven the Nevada state capital thing, but when she spoke, total cringe. Her placement at Universe, IMHO, was way to generous. I did not have her or Colombia in my Top Ten that year. Her saving grace to me, she gave great big hair. I love big hair! (NT) -- HIM, 20:27:27 05/23/20 Sat I really like Nia a lot, and even I will admit that her voice was a problem. I can't understand why she didn't work with a voice coach. Seems like that would have been an easy thing to improve. -- Doot, 23:33:17 05/23/20 Sat The fact that Nia got the same placement as Shandi is disgusting. But it's also disgusting that Olivia placed higher than both. (NT) -- Original Rican, 07:48:12 05/26/20 Tue I agree with the voice thing, but I still really liked her a lot!! I feel she was even better at Universe!! We can’t say same placement scenario because it’s different contestants every year!! (NT) -- I thought she was gonna win, 00:06:01 05/27/20 Wed I noted earlier I got banned on this board and this another reason why. I was devastated that Nia won. While I think she definitely improved and earned her Universe placement, North Dakota should have won period. Well this board and all its moderators were pro Nia and anyone who were against Nia were immediately banned. This was also because Shanna Moakler paid Oz fee and if I recall when Oz had that pathetic gofundme for people to help pay her way to miss usa from Australia, Shanna helped with that. Oz was indebted to Shanna and when her girl won it was a wrap. Yep I said it. Now if you guys block me again or censorship my message when we all know the truth, that is a severe problem. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:47:52 06/04/20 Thu When you say banned what exactly do you mean? How long were you banned and how did you get back on? (NT) -- ?, 07:17:07 06/04/20 Thu Lol that's a good question. Oz and her cronies baned me in 2014 post missnusa. They banned my up address. I honestly didn't start posting here again until about 9 months ago. Obviously I have a new ip. And I refused to kiss her ass, Vermont 2004 (punky). I am hated because I started it all with the American beauty board way back in the 90s which was the number 1 board through about 2004. Hate gets you nowhere. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:07:31 06/04/20 Thu I wouldn't say I dislike her but I most definitely dont get her. I think she's attractive and I knew she'll place high. But I never understood the goddess status and undying love for.... Morgan Woolard. There I said it! And out of that 5 I preferred Colorado. -- Karrie Postdenim, 00:43:11 05/27/20 Wed Such a shame that CO then went on to compete at Miss America and clapped!! I was shocked she didn’t place but I get it’s a different system. (NT) -- Pixie, 00:35:04 05/30/20 Sat Right? But yeah we knew that cross over success from muo to Miss. America is an uphill battle. Wish she had gone to Earth or Grand. We all know the success rate from muo to America is an uphill battle. I think even in IMG's era the muo ladies are going to have a hard time cracking that system. Only one I can think of that may be successful would be Kira ( USA '17) -- Karrie Postdenim, 07:30:55 05/30/20 Sat Jessica Hartman looked absolutley incredible when she won Miss Intercontinental in 2011. Not even that win could propel her out of the clap category at MAO. (NT) -- HIM, 17:10:46 05/30/20 Sat Jesinta Campbell, AUS 2010 - Nothing special, the fact that she got in top 5 over Rozanna Purcell or Mariana Vicente was ugh. MJ Lastimosa, PHI 2014 - ugh those teeth. H'Hen Niê, VIE 2018 - nothing special, soooo overhyped. -- Mang Tomas, 12:20:02 05/30/20 Sat Vietnam had perfect styling. I don't think any other girl could pull off what she did. But she was also genuine which we saw in her her videos. (NT) -- Original Rican, 14:02:00 05/30/20 Sat I remember being scared to death that Australia was going to win in 2010. While the hosts were announcing 4th and 3rd RU, I kept saying "Why is SHE still standing?" I couldn't even focus on if I wanted Mexico or Jamaica to win, despite their leading scores in SS and EG, because I was so afraid that Australia was about to pull off the win. I agree, she should not have been in the Top 5. Apparently, she has that magic because I heard she pulled her win in Australia right out of her... (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 18:11:21 06/01/20 Mon I didn’t get her or Ukraine advancing that year. I’m also one that liked Philippines that year, but I wouldn’t have advanced any of those three over Roxanna. (NT) -- Pixie, 21:45:58 06/01/20 Mon If it were Miss Northwestern Canberra, then yes Jesinta should place high or win. But 2nd runner-up at Universe? In terms of outer looks, she does not cut it, though she seems very genuine and a beauty with a purpose, that is why I do not mind her 3rd place at all. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 17:29:55 06/04/20 Thu Olivia Culpo (NT) -- South star, 13:20:33 06/03/20 Wed I'm crying right now :'( But I respect your opinion. (NT) -- Groove, 20:03:29 06/05/20 Fri Was she overhyped? I dont think she even won the mock pageant for usa or universe. I know at usa I was rooting for Georgia and Texas and at universe I was all about South Africa. Once South Africa was out of the top 5 I switched to rooting for Olivia. -- Karrie Postdenim, 23:21:05 06/05/20 Fri

Subject: Where Do You Think Miss Universe should be held
Author: no name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:38:15 05/19/20 Tue And.. should there be a new host? Then again Miss USA as well [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Well, at least the second question is easy: yes! for the love of god, a new host, please! I find Steve Harvey unbearable. He makes the pageant all about himself, and it should be about the contestants. We need a host who knows how to make the contestants shine. -- Doot, 18:02:01 05/19/20 Tue It is a safe bet no country will host kiss Universe this year and even if they did, miss universe risks girls not showing up. So it will be in the USA. and even that is a stretch. Host, fire Steve Harvey lol (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:35:18 05/19/20 Tue This might be a great time to se lect a nation that has fared well during this pandemic to host next year. As far as hosts, get rid of Steve, please! I'd like to see do eone who is mature, personable, and takes their job and the pageant seriously. What was is about Barker, Clark, and Goen? (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 09:25:36 05/20/20 Wed Wayne Brady? Ryan Seacrest? Jerry O"Conell? But I have a feeling after Steve's contract is up MUO is going with a female host. Selection committee is all women so it only makes sense host will be too. In that case.... Kelly Ripa? Chrissy Teigen? Loni Love? -- Karrie Postdenim, 01:15:31 05/27/20 Wed Once the coronavirus settles down, I wish MUO would just pick a permanent location and regular date for Miss Universe. I think it would be great if they had a home in one of the Las Vegas hotels, like Cirque du Soleil. And if the pageant were always the first weekend of December (for example), then fans could plan way in advance. As much as I like the idea of different countries hosting, it hasn't really been working out lately, and there is always the issue of time zones for the live broadcast. I think MUO needs the stability of a regular time and place. -- Doot, 09:06:13 05/30/20 Sat I think miss USA is always better when it’s held in smaller cities where the locals really get involved. I think they should made the production more like miss France. Miss universe I feel can be held anywhere, but more local culture should be included. If muo is really trying to get more interest than they should break up the regions a bit more. Maybe Latin America, Asia pacific, Africa, Oceania, North America (inc Caribbean) and Europe. Narrow the field down to one rep from each area. I really think they can expand their popularity if they tried that approach. (NT) -- :), 09:17:03 05/30/20 Sat As much as I would like to see different locations, I think Las Vegas might be the default. First, LV always rolls out the red carpet and seriously takes its host duties seriously, regardless if its USA, Universe or America. Second, LV needs to restart its economy. With hotels and casinos closed for a couple months and conventions and expos for the remainder of the year cancelled, LV would welcome back any of these programs and draw positive attention back to LV and all it has to offer. The one aspect that will not return is Steve Harvey and we are better for that! Wayne Brady hosted Miss America 2003 and did quite well. I would even welcome back Billy Bush. (NT) -- MLB, 18:14:23 05/30/20 Sat I've always liked Billy Bush. Now that he's back and hosting Extra! it would be nice to see him again. One of the Property Brothers would be nice eye candy, too, for a MUO host. (NT) -- HIM, 20:26:51 05/30/20 Sat The new host for sure. Steve Harvey was the worst MU host ever. The location is less important, as long as MU 2020 is organized even if it is in January or February. Vegas is more than fine. Of course, most of us prefer more exotic locations, but it is secondary. I just do not want this year to be a blank spot! (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 21:53:13 05/30/20 Sat They should hold the Miss USA pageant in Minneapolis as soon as possible.o (NT) -- or St Paul, 09:15:49 05/31/20 Sun I wish they will bring back Daisy Fuentes. No Bush, just Daisy. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 08:59:37 06/01/20 Mon YAAAAAS! Love this idea! And please NO Carson Kressley or egomaniac Lu Sierra. (NT) -- JustM, 17:12:57 06/02/20 Tue Let's be real. Vegas is out of the question. When Miss America moved there in 2006 and Miss USA later in 2008, Vegas was still dirt cheap and clamoring for visitors. In the 10 years or so that it was held there Vegas saw its entertainment switch from burlesque to concerts, and worse of all, resort fees and no more free parking. I always said the best pageants were in Vegas. As a viewer and seeing it live. Vegas doesn't need miss Universe anymore. Miss USA will likely be held in Reno, Phoenix, Mississippi or Louisiana. As for host, IMG still owns miss Universe, he never hosted miss usa so that host will be an IMG reject. Miss Universe, I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Harvey comes back. (NT) -- Original Rican, 12:34:32 06/01/20 Mon I really wish they'd have it in New York. I feel like New York is the DREAM destination. Not only is it the hq of MUO but most people think or dream of going to New York when they think of the United States. (NT) -- supragirl, 10:21:29 06/02/20 Tue I agree. New York is certainly a good host with a good transportation system. But NYC would need funding from state and local governments. (NT) -- Samuel, 13:09:57 06/02/20 Tue Uhmm. Not to be a negative nancy. I like NYC but would not say I have ever dreamed of it, nor would I ever like to live there LOL. Plys it is a huge city and quite northern. I prefer warmer and more compact destinations with tones of natural attractions around. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 17:17:25 06/02/20 Tue lol fair especially if you're from north america. But for people in Europe, and I'd think probably even all the other continents, New York is like the #1 thought when visiting the US. (NT) -- supragirl, 10:36:26 06/04/20 Thu I agree, though it depends on a person. If you offered a European to visit NYC, the Miami area, L.A./Hollywood or Hawaii. I sm not sure they would choose NYC. Having said that, I still like NYC a lot and explored all of its boeoughs in depth. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 16:25:17 06/04/20 Thu I disagree. Most girls would love to be in NY. It’s a symbol of “making your dreams happen” and it would for sure be a dream come true for many. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 00:59:30 06/05/20 Fri I agree, too. A lot of these girls want to dip their feet into acting, modeling & fashion, and what better place than NYC to make that happen. (NT) -- Groove, 19:49:36 06/05/20 Fri In the outgoing titleholders home country. I think the same should be done for Miss USA & Teen USA (in their respective state, not city LOL. Perhaps the state's capitol). That way, it could give that city a lot of needed revenue, instead of a place like LV, NV where the revenue is already through the roof. (NT) -- Groove, 19:50:00 06/05/20 Fri Revenue - all the costs and fees MUO makes them pay. I get they are a business, but their greed vs. profitability issues are no longer a secret. (NT) -- It was bound to catch up with them eventually., 21:56:34 06/05/20 Fri

Subject: Miss Teen USA 2013
Author: CC [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:26:47 06/05/20 Fri Does anyone know why the 2013 Miss Teen USA Pageant isn't allowed on YouTube in its entirety? I have found several others from the 2010s that have the full show. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Miss International 2020 postponed to October 2021
Author: WilliamNYC [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:46:22 06/02/20 Tue Will Miss Universe 2020 be next? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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And they raised the age limit to 29 to accommodate those who will age out. Already crowned reps will have more than a year to prepare. LOL -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 01:04:51 06/05/20 Fri

Subject: Can someone on here explain better what’s going on in the country of Colombia right now...? Franchise and director trouble it appears? Apparently their stunning winner may not get to compete at Miss Universe this year and someone different will? To me, that’s be a shame if so, because I think she would have been a front runner for the title!!
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Subject: USB facebook group censorship
Author: black queens matter [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:01:12 06/02/20 Tue I'm so disappointed in the Facebook group for USB. They have banned posting and commenting about the Black Lives Matter issues raised by pageant titleholders. Imagine if this was a White issue and you can see easy that this would never happen. I reported the group for racism but I don't think Mark Zukerburg will do anything about it. It's really sad what is happening there, and I hope everyone will stop participating there if you do go there already. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Actually what is sad to me is the despicable things that some of our current Miss contestants are posting ie not condemning the hooliganism and murders and disgusting violence perpetrated by these anarchists. (NT) -- but what do you expect from this PC organization., 18:52:46 06/02/20 Tue As a former title holder, most contestants are censored by their directors. Even though the title holders are the face of the page, it is the directors that allow the content. ( pictures, post etc) So don’t go blaming the girls when you clearly do not know the whole story. (NT) -- Time for a change... everywhere, 09:46:01 06/03/20 Wed So the title holders are not approving of the black lives matter movement-this terrorist organization, which is calling for the elimination of police departments and prisons? (NT) -- It's only the directors that are responsible?, 09:53:06 06/03/20 Wed definition of censorship: he suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security. (NT) -- So regardless of how they feel THEY CANNOT POST. Stop trying to cause a war. There is always 2 sides to a story., 10:23:48 06/03/20 Wed If this is what you think this movement means you need to educate yourself ASAP. (NT) -- South star, 13:17:03 06/03/20 Wed I am actually not shocked by the censorship on that site. I was banned in 2014 for having racial thoughts that didn't align with the white norm. I'm a black man. (NT) -- Original Rican, 20:20:54 06/03/20 Wed Will this effect the outcome of USA and who they crown? (NT) -- Just a thought. I think NO but...., 09:30:28 06/04/20 Thu Have any of the current titleholders been rioting or looting in support of George Floyd? I certainly hope they are representing the organization better than that. White or Black, I don't care. There is no excuse for all this destruction, and frankly none of this would even be happening if people would just stop committing crimes and getting involved with the police in the first place. (NT) -- Mentally Exhausted, 16:32:16 06/04/20 Thu Exactly. I am am appalled by this horrible violence and thievery. Did you see the poor man in Dallas who was beaten to death and left to die in the street---or the lady in upstate NY who was battered by plywood simply b/c she was trying to save her property. (NT) -- sickening--plus I think I know who the other poster is talking about re the Miss contestant., 18:11:37 06/04/20 Thu Excuse me but the co-founder of Black Lives Matter is a woman by the name of Patrisse Cullors. She is leading the movement to defund the police and is trying to put these measures on ballots in major cities in the United States okay. So this definitely is true. (NT) -- and she has the usual Hollywood crowd behind her., 19:33:06 06/04/20 Thu USB Posters - While we appreciate and recognize the sensitivity around the George Floyd case, let"s be kind and respectful toward each others views. This is not a forum to discuss issues other than pageantry and specifically MUO competitions, competitors and titleholders. Hateful comments will not be allowed, nor will attacks. Conversations that start to or turn ugly will be removed. (NT) -- USB ModSquad, 21:54:10 06/04/20 Thu

Subject: Can you name a favorite pageant, winner, contestant, venue, stage setting, etc? I want hear from everyone, but especially those who watched pageants from the 1960’s forward. I will start: Most simple and most grand setting: MU 1973, the Odeon of Herodes Atticus. Yours?
Author: Old Fan/New Name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:55:01 06/03/20 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I also loved MU 1973. What a beautiful venue for a pageant. My favorite stage settings were MU 1975 in El Salvador and in 1988 in Taipei. The sets were huge and contestants at all different levels of staging. My favorite contestant was Miss Haiti 1975 and first runner up. She was so exotic and I had hoped she would be the first Black Miss Universe. My favorite winners of all time are Maritza Sayalero MU 79, Porntip N. MU 88, and Sushmita Sen MU 94. My favorite evening gown competition was MU 1982 in Lima. It was so elegant and glamorous and Canada first one out was perfect. My over all favorite pageant was MU 1977 in Santo Domingo. It was a perfect pageant, from the opening, the stage and set design, the music and the coronation of Janelle. I have so many more favorites, but, these stand out for me at this moment. (NT) -- nostalgic, 13:45:34 06/03/20 Wed The 1977 MU pageant was nominated for an emmy...it was that good. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 14:08:33 06/03/20 Wed

Subject: WHO CONFIRMS THIS INFORMATION NEXT PAGES To be celebrated in the Hilton Houston Post Oak hotel MISS TEXAS TEEN USA® - NOVEMBER 27-29, 2020 MISS TEXAS USA® - JANUARY 8-10, 2021
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Sounds like reasonable dates. I always hated the fact that Texas USA is so early. And the current winner will have a long reign... who know maybe she will even give up her state crown before competing at Miss USA. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 21:57:49 05/30/20 Sat I also agree. I think the longer the reign the more over they become as they progress and win. I know eventually they come back to the system, but it would be very hard to adjust to normal life after 2 years or more of being miss xyz, USA and universe. (NT) -- ;), 23:59:08 05/30/20 Sat This will make Tsylor the longest reigning Miss Texas. I also think its different because we were in quarantine for almost 3 months. So now she can make up some events canceled. She was very busy prior to covid19 (NT) -- On the other hand WHEN she wins Miss USA. Will they appointment 1st runner up? Have they ever?, 11:40:03 05/31/20 Sun

Subject: So we are getting 2020 pageants?
Author: CC [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:04:22 04/24/20 Fri Is it true that Miss USA and Miss Teen USA will take place around Labor Day weekend in an unconfirmed location. Hopefully, Covid 19 will no longer be an issue but I doubt it will be back to normal in September. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I don't think we will be seeing pageants or even any plans for pageants until folks have figured out what to do about other, bigger types of events. For example, the entire Major League Baseball season is in limbo (which must be costing billions of dollars). When and if they figure how/when to have some sort of season, then we might see things like pageants coming back. My guess is that any sort of gathering won't be happening at all in 2020. I hope I'm wrong, but it does not look promising. -- Doot, 13:45:39 04/24/20 Fri Are you kidding me? lmao (NT) -- , 15:09:22 04/24/20 Fri* It won't happen but Paula needs to make a decision fast. She only has 2 options. Virtual pageant which would be a disaster. Or put all 2020 winners in a holding pin until 2021 and postpone the pageant. I think it should be the latter. (NT) -- Original Rican, 20:46:28 04/24/20 Fri Disagree, I feel like depending on how they go about it a virtual thing would be interesting to see! And it’d only be for this year! I do agree with a decision needs to be made soon and people need to know. (NT) -- Pixie, 21:28:43 04/24/20 Fri Virtual would never work!! Directors would not spring all that money for have their contestants parade in evening gown on ZOOM. That could not even be an option. (NT) -- billy, 06:09:30 05/04/20 Mon No. I completely disagree. Why stipulating virtual pageant would be a disaster. If by November it becomes clear Miss USA cannot take place, virtual pageant in December would be the way to go, and one on January for Miss Universe. It would a complete disaster not to have 2020 mentioned in history books. 2021 USA delegates can be appointed or chosen in virtual castings very easily as can be delegates for this and the next MU that follows. Obviously I still hope for a live Miss USA pageant in the late fall. Why not scale it down and organize it in a small city like Branson as example, where venues could be easily available.. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 13:51:07 05/04/20 Mon It can't be in Branson because the venue is too cramped and if you restrict to 50% capacity to honor social distancing, even some parents probably won't be able to attend. Also disagree that it would be a disaster if 2020 isn't mentioned in history books. Miss America lost several years during WW II and it's just fine. The history books just say the pageant was suspended due to these events (NT) -- A pageant is no reason to spread the virus, 08:35:00 05/06/20 Wed The Eurovision song contest and the Olympics are not getting their 2020 editions and it was not a disaster. And these events are 10000x more important!! (NT) -- G., 17:51:16 05/06/20 Wed I think Miss USA could take place in December and MU 2020 in January. If not, virtual pageants USA and Universe are a solution for December. As for the 2021 pageant season, simply cut the state entrance fees by 50% and appoint the best applicant through an independent jury to represent a state at Miss USA 2021. That could take place in February-March 2021. Easy solution and state directors will survive financially. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:13:17 04/24/20 Fri Dr Michael Osterholm was on the PBS news hour, he said the USA is in some pretty rough days ahead. It's not going to be easy to control the coronavirus death toll of the virus could be 800,00 in the USA. (NT) -- WilliamNYC, 00:01:43 04/25/20 Sat A good point of comparison is 911. Miss America was taking place, state pageants were taking place and Miss USA was only a few months off . Everything was about proud Americans and supportive. This on the other hand, is worldwide. I'm not sure if any major event taking place is a good look. (NT) -- Original Rican, 07:00:37 04/25/20 Sat Well the girls already sent in their paperwork and home town videos. (NT) -- ., 11:31:11 04/25/20 Sat Covod19 is an invisible killer and waiting until the medical professionals sustain this virus I will not attend any arena events. 2021 is an eventf (NT) -- ., 08:46:33 04/26/20 Sun No way. Miss USA, maybe. Universe, there's no way. Every country is at a different phase of the virus. Borders closed. Airlines grounded. No sponsors. Governments cannot help. If they want to have the pageant with 12 contestants, then they can do it. Not to mention of a lot of contestants that would think twice before traveling. And all those Covid-19 free certificates that we dont know if they will work. (NT) -- billy, 06:07:33 05/04/20 Mon It makes no sense to have a 2020 Miss USA/Universe pageant if all they going to do is remain in Lockdown like Zozibini Tunzi. Plus Zozibini needs to extend her reign for more travel. (NT) -- WilliamNYC, 01:37:04 05/05/20 Tue Not only are our lives changed, so as the pageant world. It’s truly unfortunate. I would definitely take public safety over the pageant, even though that means waiting a year to see any MUO pageant... my options for them to consider would be virtual (but that is not as entertaining for sure). Second option if holding the event in USA is not possible is RELOCATION. Remember when Miss USA was held in Puerto Rico? MUO can look into holding the pageant in other regions other than USA. Of course it will not be easy and depends on the local region’s jurisdiction but it is an option to look into. (NT) -- Samuel, 09:07:57 05/05/20 Tue I think USA needs to be pushed to OCT-Dec and then Universe Jan-Feb. I think august is a pipedream. BUT you never know (NT) -- They can hold MIss USA with the girls and family. Screen everyone., 09:35:30 05/05/20 Tue The new Miss Philippines org just announced moving the national pageant to October. Fortunately, all contestants are still illegible age-wise even if MU 2020 will be held next year. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 13:51:32 05/05/20 Tue eligible. LOL (NT) -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 13:53:37 05/05/20 Tue* Only way to hold miss USA is if everyone self quarantines two weeks prior and no audience just online pageant and everyone continues to quarantine during the pageant and all the contestants have to drive to location. Otherwise a pageant is not likely this year or early part of next. The big tell is whether or not sporting events will continue this year and with spectators (NT) -- South star, 21:34:26 05/05/20 Tue Miss USA should be held later in the year. By that time there will be a state and city or cities that have lifted the ban on groups of 50 or more. Have the pageant with parents only in the audience. Or get a venue where you can safely space out. If televised it would still look the same. Screening the girls , MUO, Television crew and parents would really not be that hard. Audience wearing masks. If you don’t want to attend then DON’T. Universe is more complicated as same counties have shut down until 2021. (NT) -- There will be a Miss USA...just putting it out there!, 09:36:31 05/06/20 Wed It's not just about state bans and it isn't just about you. It's easy to say if you don't want to come then don't, but these girls are perfect vectors to bring the virus back to their communities and to those of us who won't be attending. Having an in-person pageant this year is selfish, plain and simple (NT) -- Fan, 09:47:45 05/06/20 Wed Life goes on and if the girls choose to do it and they have the ok and blessing from their familes...etc then its not for you to judge. I'm sure they will all do the right thing (NT) -- Selfess is you thinking that everyone has to think like you., 15:50:52 05/06/20 Wed This is the way of thinking that has 1 million 250K infected in the USA. Life CANNOT just go on in the middle of a pandemic. Prioritizing a beauty pageant over health is the stupidest thing ever. Not to mention that beauty contests are at the bottom of the barrel right now!! We are just not talking contestants. 51 girls in a hotel? What about employees, staff.. hairstylists, make up, production, designers, assistants. Ok, so the MUO managed to have Miss Universe in Atlanta in 4 days, but still.. For this year it is a risk and I dont think any state would allow that to happen. And yes, it is okay for us to judge. A virus is not a game that can be put aside while some fans have their high heel fantasy. (NT) -- G., 17:48:51 05/06/20 Wed Im going to hope that Bill Gates releases this vaccine he's been working on since 2006 (NT) -- NUTS, 17:16:11 05/07/20 Thu Miss America 2021 has been postponed until the end of 2021. So things don't look promising for the MUO for 2020 pageants. (NT) -- Gail, 19:42:37 05/08/20 Fri Good news. Pageants have been mere shells of what they used to be . (NT) -- Bye bye pageants, 20:34:54 05/08/20 Fri It's true, but they may not be dead yet. Miss America, yes, is probably finished, and I say "good riddance" -- they were never any fun. But I do think there is an audience for a true pageant in the old sense. Sure, pageants may be outdated and may not be "relevant," but then what is so relevant about baking cook-offs or motocross racing? I think pageants just need to embrace their crazy niche in order to survive. We'll see if that ever happens! -- Doot, 18:48:30 05/09/20 Sat Honestly, I believe Miss USA will disappear before Miss America does, even in 2020 non-pageant people keep mixing them up. Baking cook-offs and motocross racing were never ashamed of their nature, unlike pageants! Problem is, we are in an age were objectification of women is no longer seen as entertainment, much less as a virtue! There are fans out there but I am afraid not enough to satisfy sponsors and big TV stations. Pageants need to evolve if they want to stay afloat, you cannot just pull the "18-26 single, never given birth blah blah" model, that is very 50s, very "old white rich dude looking for hot wife" advert. In an age where empowering is everything, telling a woman she cannot be a beauty queen because she has a baby or is divorced, is horribly offensive. (NT) -- G., 20:09:18 05/09/20 Sat If trump was still in charge, knowing him, miss usa and miss Universe would have evolved under the me too movement. Granted he played a negative part but he at least knew how to do a show. Fox, that fat co-host, Steve Harvey, lu Sierra, Paula all need to be fired. (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:11:57 05/09/20 Sat This is a really good point. The whole idea that a young woman needs to be single, never married, never given birth, etc., is indeed completely outdated and incompatible with empowering women (not to mention common sense, LOL). And there may not be enough fans of the traditional pageant world to garner a big enough TV audience. And yet... I still feel that if they were somehow honest and just embraced the beauty aspect they might somehow find a way. I don't know... it doesn't look promising in any case. -- Doot, 22:10:15 05/09/20 Sat Probably true in the US. But for most countries, getting pregnant at 17 and divorced at 25 is not normal. Beauty queens are seen as role models and there’d be a backlash if an 18-yr old mom or a 25yr old divorcee gets to compete to become a “role model for young girls”. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 03:30:53 05/10/20 Sun What if she were an 18-year-old mom and a scientist?? ;-) -- Doot, 09:47:24 05/10/20 Sun See, this is where pageants have it all wrong. Whats the deal with having a baby at 18 or getting divorced at 25? We dont know the dynamics behind those life stories. Yes, beauty queens are role models in like say, India or the Philippines. Most countries don't really care about them though. And I think the backlash is not letting women from all backgrounds compete. I find a really huge contradiction that pageants would let transgender women compete but not a woman who has been divorced or widowed or even married. It is the biggest oxymoron ever. And you know... the former Victoria's Secret Angels (now that VS is broke) who were even bigger role models than pageant queens, are all mothers, married, that didn't interfere with their job. I think thats the point here. The criteria for eligibility is obsolete. (NT) -- G., 10:37:59 05/10/20 Sun As what I’ve said, your thinking is not shared by the majority of the world. Parents don’t want their daughters looking up to another girl who got pregnant at a very young age. There’s a place for those girls if they really have inspiring or success stories. They can do speeches like TED talks. If they can’t speak, they can join reality TV’s where networks could exploit their stories. Pageant girls are seen in most countries as conservative and with “good moral characters”. And being pregnant before marriage more so as a teen definitely doesn’t fit that criteria. These are no big deal in the US, but not in most countries. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 11:11:02 05/10/20 Sun This is an important and interesting debate to have. For example, these days, why must a pageant titleholder be single? I mean, even the most conservative people would probably agree that a woman can be married at, say, 24 and be a perfectly good "role model." I don't pretend to have any of the answers, but these kinds of issues are one reason why the way forward is going to be so tricky for pageants. -- Doot, 13:24:50 05/10/20 Sun From the way things are now, I'm expecting Miss USA around September/October and Miss Universe around December/January. I also think the events will be totally stripped down to just prelims and final night, not too many activities and appearances. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 12:43:07 05/10/20 Sun Article today on troubled Endeavor, with a reference to MUO. I suspect we will see another hastily thrown together pageant towards the end of the year if anything. As someone noted, the girls arrive Sunday and leave by the next Sunday probably. After that, it's only a matter of time before MUO gets dumped for good. (NT) -- Fortunately I've found new hobbies. Great memories though!!!, 01:38:12 05/12/20 Tue https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2020-05-11/ (NT) -- ., 01:41:05 05/12/20 Tue It’s unfortunate the situation has turned into what it is today. If Miss USA was held in February (like in the old days), we at least would’ve crowned a Miss USA winner. By the looks of things, they should postpone the pageant to Aug. or Sept. if events like this are permissible. If not, do a closed door pageant (again if rules aren’t permissible). If not, they should consider holding the pageant in another region where it’s safer (outside the USA and again permissible). There may not be a live audience and family members but just the ladies and crew. But, it’s better imo than skipping the pageant and/or holding it virtual. Ladies will have to wear masks throughout the days leading up to the pageant. (NT) -- Samuel, 15:17:21 05/16/20 Sat Some cities, like Boston, have cancelled permits for all big parades and festivals through Labor Day so MUO would need a host city that is not cancelling permits for events AND isn't running too large a budget shortfall (I don't see this likely) to be the host location for Miss USA. (NT) -- Anon, 22:06:27 05/18/20 Mon Do it in TEXAS (NT) -- they are open, 13:15:07 05/26/20 Tue People say pageants are not relevant. So if they're not, why do so many women compete? There must be some relevancy. Miss USA/Miss Universe should take stock in that they're a beauty pageant and excel their best in that aspect. Hey, how many of us would watch the pageant if they went back to the format of the 70's and 80's? (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 09:20:12 05/21/20 Thu The old format would never work either, times have changed and longtime fans are outside the market reach for potential sponsors. A lot of people forget that money is needed to organize and produce these pageants, and every time it is getting harder and harder. I dont think pageants are relevant either, they are just mere entertainment and yes, there will always be a niche for them, as long as there are enough insecure girls in the planet who need a crown and fans telling them that they are pretty. Just like hot dog eating contests, or monster truck events, or dog shows. They are harmless, they are entertaining. But pageants need to recognize what they are, a T&A show with a question made to crash and burn these girls, and some fake charity thrown in to make it relevant. (NT) -- G., 02:42:12 05/26/20 Tue These women are not insecure. And while I agree some do come up with a fake charity. There are a handful that have been working for their cause for years. And to some of these girls its more than a crown. Its tradition and pride. Al bigger platform for their REAL charity. (NT) -- Why are you even on this board if you hate pageants? Perhaps you are the one who is insecure., 09:27:05 05/27/20 Wed I think that even fake charities can be beneficial to an extent. Even if it is for a few days, a contestant volunteers anyways and the image of her volunteering is shown in the media, either social media or on TV, etc. And it DOES encourage people watching to volunteer. I do not know how many days or weeks did Olivia Jordan volunteer at "Children of the Night" in Tulsa, and by no means I am saying it was a fake charity... But she was living mostly in California and if, let's say she volunteered only a few days in there, it is still beneficial for them and she mentioned this organization. I checked it in depth, some people likely donated there hearing from her what they do. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 15:54:04 05/28/20 Thu October.....November (NT) -- Its going down!, 09:42:17 05/28/20 Thu Kill two birds with one stone. Although it may not happen before the end of the year, I think organizers would be wise to conduct USA and Universe around the same time. It would save a lot of money, time, set-up, etc. to have it at the same venue in Las Vegas. The first week conduct Miss USA, once that is over and delegates and families have moved out, move in all things Universe. Longtime pageant enthusiasts might remember this is how USA and Universe was conducted it its early years. (NT) -- MLB, 18:25:01 05/30/20 Sat

Subject: Dominican Republic @ MU
Author: Basketball_Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:28:06 05/21/20 Thu If there is one country that benefited the most @ MU during the Trump/NBC/Telemundo years (2003-2014), it's Dominican Republic. Prior to 2003, Dominican Republic made the cut three times: Blanca Aurora Sardinas (Top 12 @ MU 1977 and host country delegate) Patricia Jimenez (Top 10 @ MU 1988) Candida Lara (Top 10 @ MU 1995) From 2003-2014, Dominican Republic made the cut five times and four out of five earned medals: Amelia Vega (MU 2003) Renata Sone (2nd RU @ MU 2005) Marianne Cruz (2nd RU @ MU 2008) Ada Aimee de la Cruz (1st RU @ MU 2009) Yaritza Reyes (Top 10 @ MU 2013) I feel Dominican Republic's medal total was inflated. 2005 and 2008 finished way too high. As far as their win goes, I would've crowned Patricia Jimenez and not Amelia Vega. How does this board view Dominican Republic's medal run? Were they deserved or was it the Telemundo factor? Last edited by author: Thu May 21, 2020 17:28:40 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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You know, it took me a few years, and a few times watching the pageant to appreciate Amelia’s win. I was such a huge fan of Mariangel and Miyako that I refused to acknowledge that Amelia was the one who truly sparkled that night (imo obv). She had a glimmer that I felt no one else had. The only other one I would have given the crown to was Ada, provided that Stefania did not make the final five. But, if that had actually happened, I would have been doubly pissed bec I had Stef in my final two. I am not tooting my horn about being a fan of Stefania and thought she could win because I also had Iceland in my top two and we all know how she looked on final night. (NT) -- eloise, 18:05:54 05/21/20 Thu Amelia Vega is one of those winners who would not have been my choice, but I totally see why she won. (Zuyleika Rivera is another example. Not my personal cup of tea, but she did everything necessary to win that particular pageant.) The one contestant from DR who I really loved was Ada de la Cruz in 2009. My final two that year came down to her and Chloe Mortaud of France. Stefania was a good and legit winner, but I preferred Ada and Chloe. The remaining DR reps didn't do much for me. -- Doot, 18:59:00 05/21/20 Thu DR's a hit or miss for me. I loved some of their reps, especially Patricia Jimenez (1988), Ada Aimee de la Cruz (2009), Yaritza Reyes (2013), and Clarissa Molina (2015). I even loved some of their clappers, like Selinee Mendez (1998). No love for me for some, including Candida Lara (1995), Marianne Cruz (2008), and Clauvid Daly (2019). I wasn't too keen on Amelia Vega (2003) as well, but like what others said, I can't begrudge her win (I think she earned it in the end). Finally, we can't leave this topic without discussing Ruth Ocumarez (2002). I didn't think she would actually win (as how overhyped she was at the time), but I was SHOCKED that she ended up as a clapper. Too bad we no longer saw prelim scores by 2002, it will be one of pageantry's great mysteries to find out how she actually placed in prelims. (NT) -- anni55, 01:12:20 05/22/20 Fri I don't think her or Colombia placed 11 to 15. I know USA was in the 15. Off topic but I heard Kimberly Presseler was in the lower 20s in 1999. She looked a hot mess at miss Universe. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:18:05 05/26/20 Tue I think Amelia is like Catriona. Some hated them because they knew they will win but still hoping someone else will, and they actually ended up winning. It was like their pageants were held for them and they were just doing their thing the entire time while waiting to get crowned. In the end, we all could agree they both deserved it. Imee “Goodevening Bahamas!” Cruz had to settle for a runner up after that. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 02:01:16 05/22/20 Fri Though it's worth sating that Amelia wasn't the main favorite to win. Ghislaine Ferreira of Brazil was the most hyped and the main fav. Susie was out there, but that was before she showed up in THAT gown. Brazil had likely something to do with Global Beauties being very popular then. Amelia was more of a top 5/top 10 fav... more like a potential 2nd or 3rd runner-up. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 01:01:18 05/23/20 Sat I must have missed the hype on Brazil as I don’t even remember her. The only girls who had a real shot other than Amelia is Cindy Nell and Serbia. But everyone knew it’s gonna be Amelia all along. She’s up there since she was crowned Miss DR that year. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 06:51:38 05/23/20 Sat Oh, I completely disagree. Here on the voy at the gery least and on globalbeauties. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 12:36:22 05/23/20 Sat Brazil was definitely way up there. Agree with you that she was a huge favorite although it was a really diffused year and GB even started pulling hard for Italy at one point. A lot of people had Gislaine in their top 2-3 from day one of the competition even through prelims (whereas USA and Spain crashed hard on the lists that night). Amelia always had the height edge and the assertive personality but Gislaine's prelim performance was decent. I wasn't surprised she got cut before the top 10, though; my theory was her insane headshot with those piercing eyes lodged itself in everyone's cranium haha because in person she was stunning but a lot smaller and less imposing than that picture. (NT) -- Jeff, 04:36:16 05/25/20 Mon Indeed. I remember also that she also did not have a very toned body. Of course it was good enough, but not among the best... and at that time, I feel like it mattered more than in later MU competitions... as example many of the recent MU winners under IMG had much less or a toned body than the winners from the 00s. I think Ghislaine's favoritism had something to do with groupthink created by Global Beauties and people fell for it. Because in comparison to other favs, she was less impressive from a neutral point of view. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 13:29:03 05/26/20 Tue Hmmm... I do seem to remember Amelia as being the favorite to win that year. But this raised a more general question for me about favorites who ended up winning, which I posted in a new thread. -- Doot, 09:07:24 05/23/20 Sat You're right, Amelia was definitely the favorite (I was there) but that was a year when prelims really scrambled the predictions. She took a lot of fire for the blue gown and for the attitude and there was definitely a feeling in the room she could might miss the semifinals entirely if she didn't turn it around. Needless to say, both she and Mariangel did. That was a crazy amazing year with the diversity of favorites. Brazil and SA from day one, then Spain crashing out and Japan dropping every jaw with her gown, and even dark horses like Turkey and Greece. (NT) -- Jeff, 15:07:10 05/24/20 Sun What was Japan preliminary gown? Her finals night gown was superb one of the best ever. (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:14:16 05/24/20 Sun It was the same two piece final gown (believe the skirt was Celine) but without the wrap that she wore in the final so it was even more dramatic. It caused such a controversy that Ines had her wear that wrap over it on the final night and then switch to the black gown for Q&A (which she later said she regretted). Definition of power move. People also forget that Miyako was the most "runway" since Greece 2001 and the only one who could have pulled that off. Japan was nowhere on the lists and suddenly soared; I think the GB stock market (they did a daily tally of favorites) had her shooting into the top 5 out of nowhere. Amelia's gown on the other hand was a disaster (this weird blue crap) and Mariangel, while the same gown as finals night, had extremely bad styling on the accessories and hair (exact same story as Stefania Fernandez). (NT) -- Jeff, 04:28:04 05/25/20 Mon Interesting about Japan that year. Although she was beautiful, she was indeed very "runway" and that was why I sort of discounted her. Miss Universe has always been about something a little different, even in the Trump years. The typical runway look with the icy stare doesn't have the "relatable" element that most MUO titleholders have. So that's why Japan always seemed like a bit of a fluke that year. -- Doot, 10:02:22 05/25/20 Mon She definitely didn’t look like a winner but we all loved the drama she created for MU. She was the kind of different that we welcomed but not necessarily wanted to win. Someones should start a thread for Japan and Ines Ligron. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 10:50:50 05/25/20 Mon Wow that’s interesting Jeff! I had a feeling Japan wasn’t noticed until preliminaries that year. You mentioned that GB had a list of stocks, did they call their leaderboard - GB stock market? (NT) -- Samuel, 12:10:38 05/25/20 Mon For some reason, I am generally more indulgent with Dominican Rep. than Puerto Rico or Mexico. On average, I think they sent many worthy delegates. I would not have crowned Amelia but her win is legit and it's difficult to dispute it. The same cannot be said about the 2005 and 2008 delegates, but they seem nice and congenial. I absolutely loved Yaritza, she was too young at MU but should have won Miss World her year. I feel the same about Clauvid. I liked her participation at MU and would have easily advanced her to top 10 among that top 20... but she just was too young. Dominican Rep. is a country that I visited and had a good time in there, maybe that is why I am a little positively biased towards their girls... or maybe they are just more solid on average comparing to PR and MX. I also liked and remember well some of their clappers. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:52:38 05/23/20 Sat Hate to say it but none of the winners are really intriguing. Don’t really find them to be stunning. If I had to pick, I think Amelia won rightfully that night. Unfortunately her poor attitude is still one of the most memorable things about her. Ada should’ve won in 2009 as well and I had her in the top 2. I had her as the winner after France got eliminated. The other ladies are not really memorable to me. (NT) -- Samuel, 20:11:52 05/23/20 Sat Amelia's attitude was really something and some of the anecdotes were so outrageous as to border on hilarious. I will say that she completely 180'd after she won and had a stellar reign. Other winners speak extremely highly of her (she's known for being very punctual and professional). Mariangel was the sympathetic contestant that night but I'm glad Amelia pulled it off. (NT) -- Jeff, 05:03:34 05/25/20 Mon Yes hope she changed her attitude since then. I know she received a lot of hate for her attitude. (NT) -- Samuel, 12:12:01 05/25/20 Mon Amelia today is a completely different person, dedicated to her church and serving God. Her marriage and her devotion turned her life in a different direction. Let's remember she won her national pageant only at 17!!! But she was smart and knew how to turn the competition on. Today she is very mature and pleasant to talk with. (NT) -- G., 02:31:19 05/26/20 Tue That's true. Amelia was younger than Miss. Teen USA 2003 -- Karrie Postdenim, 06:16:47 05/27/20 Wed Going back to 1990, Miss Dominican Republic showed up onstage in a costume involving a pot on her shoulders. Loved it when the Top Ten were announced, while in their national costumes still, there she is in the front holding onto that pot on her shoulders. I thought she was a pretty contestant that year. (NT) -- HIM, 20:20:42 05/23/20 Sat Aw yes Ioved it when she first stood with the pot on her shoulder and then realized that she needed to hold the thing so she can clap. Rosario Rodriguez ended up winning another pageant called Miss Hispanidad later that year (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 19:33:11 05/27/20 Wed I actually really liked Renata Sone and Clarissa Molina the most; I was satisfied with Renata's placement, but honestly thought Clarissa was Top 5 and even Top 3 material. (NT) -- Val Ewing (NSI), 10:02:00 05/26/20 Tue Pia, in a recent IG live with a fan, also said she was surprised Clarissa did not make Top 5. She said she’s very pretty, sweet and well spoken. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 01:59:41 05/29/20 Fri

Subject: Mid 2000s Tea
Author: Wallflower [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:41:03 05/24/20 Sun In the mid 2000’s, before social media completely took over the universe, these national directors reigned supreme at Miss Universe. These clique-like alliance has produced memorable wins that changed the game forever. Magaly Febles ( Puerto Rico, Dominican Rep), Denis Davila(Canada), Ines Ligron (Japan), Peter Elias (Trinidad & Tobago) and Osmel Sousa (Venezuela) Please feel free to spill any hot tea you know from this era! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Ines Ligon was Trump personal friend and did wonders for Japan and Korea twice. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:39:35 05/24/20 Sun I think the national directors had way more power in the 60s to 80s. I liked many of Japan's delegates but people need to remember that Mikimodo was the main sponsor. As of Latin American directors it's Telemundo above all. For Canada, I genuinely think the country was on a roll even before Denis... Jimmy Steele electrified the Canadian scene since the late 90s and it translated in pageant results... without any real regain of popularity locally. I do not wantvto take away anything from Osmel. Ines, Magali, Denis, Mme de Fontenair and later Sylvie or even the mean Lupita... but the thing that counts is money and not any sort of a clique that may or may not have existed. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 23:21:28 05/24/20 Sun What ever happened to Jimmy Steele? His beauties of Canada website was perfect. And you are right about Mikimodo but Japan earned many of those spots. Latin America on the other hand, I'm good on. Fox now we get fat ugly heathens and men dressing as women. The fact that Miss Universe allowed that man to compete with women is utterly ridiculous. (NT) -- Original Rican, 00:34:30 05/25/20 Mon He is a teacher of French Second Language, Spanish and German. He's actually the President of Ontario German Teacher Association. This guy is precious, the purest soul you could meet. I don't know what exactly happened when he gave up on pageantry around 2005... but Canadian pageant community has generally been a very nasty circle, Siera Bearchell mentioned some of the antics of her past minor pageants directors. Former and current Miss World Canada directors leave a lot to be desired. MUC and Denis are better. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:45:37 05/25/20 Mon During the Mikimoto era (2002-2008) Japan only made it four times, and I'd say only the last (08) was questionable (and she's now the national director). 03, 06 and 07 were pretty justified. Ines took over in 1998 though and optically it does look a little suspect that she only got going after Mikimoto, but I recall Mayu Endo in 2000 placed 15th and Satomi Ogawa in 1999 was somewhere in the 15-20th positions so it wasn't like Japan's streak came out of nowhere. Japan was also competitive in 04 and 05, and arguably could have been in 09 had the girl not been fried orange, but the Mikimoto effect wasn't enough to get them through. (NT) -- Jeff, 04:19:18 05/25/20 Mon And we were all amused by her alleged flying to Bahamas from Miami in a chopper. Was that even a true story? -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 10:58:56 05/25/20 Mon I remember her national costume had to be modify as well. I believe the original version. You can see the pink crotch of her panties! Anywho I love the excitement she brought to the pre pageant. I remember her being very pretty but she was also orange! -- Karrie Postdenim, 00:51:35 05/27/20 Wed The 2010 rep. was also decent as well. Just when I thought Japan would’ve been a new powerhouse after 2007, they dissipated afterwards and became clappers again. And then came Philippines, Thailand, and Indonesia. Unpredictable trends. (NT) -- Samuel, 12:16:46 05/25/20 Mon "Only" four times? A win, a 1st ru and a top 5 is not what I would consider "only". Though the reps were competitive as well. For 99 and 00, results were not officially released by the MU org. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 13:32:05 05/25/20 Mon 1999 and 2000 the prelims results were released via other sources; 2000 actually had the top 15 released in a newspaper in Cyprus, I saved it somewhere, but if I recall the 11-15th placers were (don't recall the exact order) Netherlands, Germany, Slovak Republic, Panama and Japan, the article also mentioned that Cyprus placed in the top 25. (NT) -- Val Ewing (NSI), 09:58:59 05/26/20 Tue Correction it was Czech Republic in the 2000 Top 15 not Slovak Republic (NT) -- VE (NSI), 10:07:14 05/26/20 Tue I remember that, though it was not an official release. I remember the same girls being mentioned. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 12:55:45 05/26/20 Tue Wait, 05 Japan? She wore a turkey evening gown, it wasn't happening. (NT) -- Original Rican, 13:39:28 05/25/20 Mon Yes. And it's really, really unfortunate..I know some queens loved it, but let's face it, the gown was atrocious to over 90% of people. And it torpedoed Yukari's chances to place and she was a solid delegate overall. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 21:43:54 05/25/20 Mon I had the biggest pageant crush on Kurara Chibana (Japan 2006). I know it's not popular opinion, but I really wanted her to win, and I thought she deserved it. I thought Zuleyka was just a little "too much," if that makes sense. With Kurara's performance, she basically just put the crown on Riyo Mori's head in 2007. (NT) -- JustM, 20:23:15 05/27/20 Wed Uhmm. I do not think Kurara is disliked at all. I think it was pretty much split between Zuleyka, Kurara and Laurianne. The win of each of them would be justified. I believe Zuleyka gained a lot by participating in the Despacito clip, not only financially. I think Zuleyka is one of the most sexual Miss Universe winners, the most in the last 20 years, And that is why, I think her win is generally well received... more nowadays, but even in 2006 it wasn't a shock for anyone. I for one, would not change the results of this MU... except maybe for crowning Alice Panikian HA. But had Kurara won, I doubt Riyo Mori, whom I adore, would have won... and I find Riyo more intriguing and beautiful. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 23:52:33 05/27/20 Wed Kurara laid the foundation for Riyo to win. I always found Riyo to be adrogenous even before she wore the tux for her final walk. (NT) -- Original Rican, 07:24:33 05/28/20 Thu

Subject: Tag post #3
Author: eloise [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:51:58 05/23/20 Sat Adding to the recent posts by Doot and Basketball (but USA only for now). 1. Girls you championed but fell out of love with during/after the pageant. Lauren Barnett (In high school, I was voted prettiest! *stfu) Jacqueline Bruno (She looked possessed.) Tami Farrell (I really loved her at teen but sensed something off with her as a Miss) Carrie Prejean (Man, what a dick.) Tamiko Nash (Didn’t like her MUO produced Tamiko Nash show) Rima Fakih (gung-ho with her USA win but was happy she clapped at Universe) MMM (ended up being unrelatable) Audra Mari (again, something was off) Jess Ahlberg (loved her but DOA) Olivia Jordan (She was always screaming her answers) Sarah Summers (sparkled at USA, totally shrill at Universe. I couldn’t listen to her speak) 2. Girls you didn’t care about at first but ended up loving during/after the pageant. Maria Montgomery (Cutest thing!) Jillian Wunderlich (looked like an angel) Jazz Wilkins (Those legs!) Michelle Leonardo (I like her mom lol) Erin Brady (loved her immed after semi-finalist call) Stacy Juris (there was this thing that went around before USA finals that she did something super bitchy so I was prepared to hate her. The opposite happened.) Megan Pinkney (Sweet!) Carolyn Bradarich (ADORABLE!!!) Chhavi Verg (Oozed charm non-stop) Your turn. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Hmm...good questions. (1) Championed but fell out of love: I agree 100% on Carrie Prejean (quickest fall from grace in history, LOL) and Rima Fakih, and I thought Sarah Summers was a great winner on the night of the pageant who never shined so brightly again. (2) Didn't care for but ended up loving: The first one that comes to mind is Nana Meriwether. I didn't really get her at all, even up to her 1st runner up finish. But when she took over as Miss USA, I really liked her a lot. In a way the same is true about Chesli, the current Miss USA. I have liked her more as Miss USA than as a contestant. -- Doot, 12:22:07 05/23/20 Sat Oh, I thought of another for category 1. I was all excited about Katie Coble (North Carolina) in the lead-up to Miss USA 2017. But I fell out of love with her because he styling was all wrong. :-( -- Doot, 18:46:03 05/23/20 Sat Didn't care for but ended up loving: 1997 Miss Florida Angelia Savage. Don't know why exactly, but I didn't like her at all. Then, after re-watching her performance, she absolutely killed it in swimsuit and evening gown (duh, she placed 1st in those categories during semifinals). Still, I didn't immediately see how. Later, I became a fan of Big Red. She was pretty fantastic. (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 15:14:19 05/26/20 Tue When Angelia won Miss Florida USA I was kinda of disappointed because I kind of liked Shannon Smith (Angelia's 1st RU at FL USA) who would go onto become a perennial runner-up at FL USA, but Angelia was like amazeballs at Miss USA knocking it of the park in swimsuit and evening gown rounds. I knew her weakness was interview, but I didn't think she did to bad and I could have placed her Top 3, I didn't really care for TN. (NT) -- Val Ewing (NSI), 15:54:59 05/26/20 Tue Pardon my atrocious spelling, punctuation and use of the English language, it long weekend hangover. (NT) -- VE (NSI), 15:57:37 05/26/20 Tue

Subject: Order mixed up at Parade of Nations
Author: Samuel [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:02:46 05/04/20 Mon Anybody have any idea why Greece 1982 was missing during the Parade of Nations? That caused the introduction to be mixed up alphabetically. Besides 1980, were there any other years that the order got mixed at MUO? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The only mix up I can remember was how they botched Mariangel Ruiz’s intro during SS and her having to correct Billy Bush that the bio he was reading was not about her in final five. Poor girl. Still one of my fav Miss VZs to this day. (NT) -- eloise, 10:25:03 05/04/20 Mon And obv 2015. Sorry, I know it ‘s still not about the Parade of Nations. (NT) -- eloise, 10:28:35 05/04/20 Mon Me again. Lol. Anyone rmmbr in Miss World when one of the girls literally pushed another girl out of the way when it was her turn to be introduced? That made me chuckle. (NT) -- eloise, 10:30:37 05/04/20 Mon What year was that? Id love to YouTube it. (NT) -- m, 23:01:26 05/04/20 Mon Miss World 2012...introductions Miss New Zealand stood in the wrong place and Miss Malawai kind of pushes her out of the way...it's kind of funny...yeah. Miss Malawi wanted her moment to shine and had to get Miss New Zealand ouf her way... (NT) -- https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10828568, 23:24:30 05/04/20 Mon https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S0KwzZL4uEo (NT) -- NOT THE BEST VIDEO OF THE MOMENT, BUT YOU GET IT, 23:27:04 05/04/20 Mon https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h28SKER_fcM (NT) -- Fast forward to 10:38...the shove between Miss New Zealand and Miss Malawai 2012, 23:31:58 05/04/20 Mon Miss Greece forgot her national costume back at the hotel. The entire Miss Universe 1982 pageant is covered in detail on the Julio Rodriguez blog: Beauties of the Universe and World. (NT) -- nostalgic, 13:58:12 05/04/20 Mon Bob Barker got the order of the contestants incorrect during the finals of Miss USA 1983. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 19:26:31 05/05/20 Tue He mixed up the order of the state names during SS. Joan Van Ark corrected him on-air. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 18:47:48 05/07/20 Thu Not necessarily a mix-up but more of a live "glitch". We got to see and hear Miss Georgia's intro 27 times during the 2004 Miss Universe pageant introductions. Lol. (NT) -- HIM, 18:03:43 05/07/20 Thu Yes!!! "Miss Gee-or-gia...Miss Gee-or-gia...Miss Gee-or-gia...". What really sucked was the live television audience missed 4-6 of the contestants intros because of that glitch. (NT) -- Val Ewing (NSI), 04:06:46 05/08/20 Fri Is that a reason why miss Universe has refused to upload introductions from miss Universe 2004? They have uploaded everything else but that. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:17:21 05/08/20 Fri I have seen a corrected version of the 2004 Miss Universe Intros/opening on YouTube, it was not from the Miss Universe/Miss USA account though. I will try to find it and post the YouTube link. (NT) -- Val Ewing (NSI), 20:17:19 05/08/20 Fri FOUND IT! Not YouTube but Vimeo. One of the intros missed in the television airing was Miss Greece whom I recall was a fave of some. (NT) -- https://vimeo.com/226397995, 20:29:01 05/08/20 Fri Weren't the nations names out of order in MU 1980? (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 18:51:42 05/07/20 Thu Yup. Miss Bolivia introduced herself during Miss Bermuda’s turn which resulted in the messed up order. Miss Korea ended up saving the day by waiting and allowing Miss Japan to introduce herself correcting the order. The unfortunate thing was the camera was focused on Korea the whole time so Japan never got her TV moment (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 21:03:11 05/08/20 Fri I think this was the same year that Jayne Kennedy and Helen O'Connell had a giant leaderboard showing the scores after each round and I recall them getting it all bollixed up at least one or two times. -- Doot, 14:46:30 05/09/20 Sat Lol just discovered a new one. Miss Slovenia jumped the gun and pronounced her name before Slovak Republic. The order was briefly restored but then Switzerland disrupted it again. USA also went before many others lol. Miss Universe 2005 preliminaries is added to this list. (NT) -- Samuel, 00:18:15 05/24/20 Sun Not at MU, but at Miss USA 1981 Bob Barker skips saying "Miss Idaho" after Miss Hawaii, and goes to "Miss Illinois" while Idaho is introducing herself...at Miss Kansas he realizes he's off a state and corrects. The folllowing year, the girls introduced themselves so this wouldn't happen again. You can see it on Youtube. (NT) -- Tiki-Java, 01:50:44 05/26/20 Tue

Subject: My unfortunate prediction is no pageants affiliated with MUO, MAO, etc will be held this year. They will all be next year of 2021, and yes, current titleholders that we’re to compete nationally or internationally this year will still be eligible regardless of age next year. I’ve noticed several small pageants in other systems pushed back to next year just following suit of what most organizations and events are doing. (Not saying I like or dislike that, depends on the day, but this is what I think will end up happening. Especially since no public announcement has been made yet).
Author: Pixie [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:33:03 05/23/20 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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My prediction is a little more dire. We have a perfect storm for the demise of MUO. The org has the ff to contend with: A fast-spreading pandemic with no cure, Endeavor in trouble, historically bad leadership in MUO, consistently low ratings, unprofitability, lack of vision, and a confused mission statement on what the org is really all about. It’s only a matter of time before MUO heads into the grave or adapt to a new way forward that for sure will not please the remaining fan-based viewership. Keeping my fingers xed I am wrong. (NT) -- eloise, 07:11:11 05/24/20 Sun I am also worried about the perceived bias in judging that we know will be subject to much debate should Endeavor sell to an Asian or Latin-American group. Fans have already been questioning favoritism for a long time. I can only imagine the uproar when fans disagree with the results under new ownership. (NT) -- eloise, 07:34:23 05/24/20 Sun It was also a miracle that the 2019 edition of Miss Universe was pulled of at the last minute. Tyler Perry came to the rescue at the request of a friend. I agree with eloise with her above statement. Major League Baseball an 11 billion dollar org. haven't decided when to play Baseball for many reasons. Miss Universe doesn't even have 11 billion dollars. (NT) -- WilliamNYC, 11:46:05 05/24/20 Sun Was the friend Christelle Stewart? (NT) -- Original Rican, 14:13:56 05/24/20 Sun Yes. (NT) -- WilliamNYC, 14:41:39 05/24/20 Sun Wow never knew that. Just wondering, how did you find out William? I guess Crystle still has a strong bond with MUO. Kudos to her. (NT) -- Samuel, 14:44:35 05/24/20 Sun It was all over pageant boards. Krystle reached out to her friend Tyler Perry and the rest is history. Krystle earned the rights to sit as a judge, hence her trainee Indonesia made top 10 instead of Albania, India, or Brazil. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy, 01:26:43 05/25/20 Mon She trained Indonesia? Wow didn’t know that. (NT) -- Samuel, 12:13:32 05/25/20 Mon Yes. I’m sure MUO offered a judging seat as a courtesy but she should have been professional enough to not accept it and perhaps settled for a front seat. Or since she accepted her reward, she should have judged fairly. Let’s admit it, there are other more deserving ladies than her pet.On the other hand, Shandi and Susie were quite pissed that their trainee Albania, who looked gorgeous, did not advance. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 12:31:08 05/25/20 Mon I love Crystle, but I wish they’d stop asking her to judge every single pageant! She helps coaches girls so she shouldn’t even be an option!! (NT) -- Pixie, 21:17:25 05/25/20 Mon Crystle is as bad as Olivia. Paula needs to just be fired. All female judges have picked dogs. Miss Universe I can accept but miss usa and miss teen USA have been batting zeros the past 5 years (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:30:24 05/25/20 Mon There is a virtual pageant specific to COVID-19. Saw on FB. (NT) -- ., 13:01:18 05/25/20 Mon

Subject: Favorites who actually won
Author: Doot [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:05:18 05/23/20 Sat Trying to think of the pageants since 2000 where there was a pretty clear favorite going into the pageant who actually ended up winning. Without giving it a ton of thought, these are the ones that occur to me. UNIVERSE 2003 Dominican Republic, Amelia Vega 2005 Canada, Natalie Glebova 2008 Venezuela, Dayana Mendoza 2017 South Africa, Demi-Leigh Nel Peters 2018 Philippines, Catriona Gray USA 2004 Missouri, Shandi Finnessey 2008 Texas, Crystle Stewart 2011 California, Alyssa Campanella TEEN 2013 California, Cassidy Wolf Of course, there is no way to officially determine who was "the favorite," so this is based more on my impressions and my memory (which gets worse by the day, LOL). Curious to know what others think. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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We should compare these to the Mock winners. (NT) -- eloise, 09:53:13 05/23/20 Sat Ps, was Culpo not a fav? (NT) -- eloise, 09:56:13 05/23/20 Sat I seem to remember her being "a fave" but not "the fave" -- seems like there were at least 4 or 5 contestants that were considered top contenders that year, without a consensus. Then again, that was way back in 2012, LOL. -- Doot, 12:12:56 05/23/20 Sat Miss Universe 2012, South Africa was hyped to death. She was the winner practically on every board. (NT) -- Original Rican, 00:10:00 05/24/20 Sun I would say the main favs to win were; 1999: Carolina Idriago, 2000: Lara Dutta, 2001: Eva Ekvall, 2002: Vanessa Mendiza, 2003 Ghislaine Ferreira, 2004: Shandi Finnessey, 2005: Natalie Glebova, 2006: Kurara Chibana, 2007: Honey Lee, 2008 Ingrid Rivera, 2009: Ada Aimee De la Cruz, 2010: Maria Venus Raj, 2011: Luo Zilin, 2012: Melinda Bam, 2013: Patrucia Rodriguez, 2014; Desiree Cordero, 2015: Pia Wurtzbach, 2016: Raissa Santana, 2017: Demi Lee Nel Peters, 2018: Catriona Gray, 2019: Paweesunda Drouin. Some of the years are very difficult determine, as example 2002 Vanessa cs. Ruth. France has been among the favs many times too: Iris and Mareva Galanter. Some girls were facs but I knew they were in the wrong place at the wrong time to win, Paweesunda and to a lesser extent Denise Cordero come to mind. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 12:53:29 05/23/20 Sat I believe Rachel was a clear favorite in 2007. For Teen, I think a lot of ppl liked Maryland 2010 and hiked her as the top favorite. (NT) -- Samuel, 20:14:44 05/23/20 Sat You forgot Oxana and Denise. Super favorites who ended up winning! All early 2000s winners were favorites during their respective years except Jennifer Hawkins when we were all eyes on Ukraine, Shandi, and Yanina. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 23:58:37 05/23/20 Sat I think Oxana and Denise were invincible on the finals night but a little more questionable going in. Oxana really had a tough gown in prelims and was fairly quiet compared to the mega hype around Vanessa and Ruth, as H said on this thread. Denise was clearly going to be in the top 3 but I think it was also a bit mixed with Venezuela playing to win and Greece catching fire in the prelims. Denise's styling was also different in the prelims. Of course, when the final night rolled around it was pretty much baked :). (NT) -- J, 04:58:29 05/25/20 Mon Janelle Commissiong was an invisible favorite seen only by the judges, hoped by some and stamped by the pageant photographers. Most contestants thought Miss Austria would win as it was on no one’s radar a black woman would win. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 08:43:17 05/24/20 Sun The fact that Haiti 1975 lost is a tragedy. Though had she won, I doubt Janelle would have won later. Btw, why wasn't miss Universe 1975 wearing her crown during the crowning ceremony in 1976? (NT) -- Original Rican, 09:38:51 05/24/20 Sun That was exactly what I was thinking lol! She had her crown as during the final walk but it was gone when she crowned Israel 1976. Did she take it off and pass it to her off screen? Or did she take it off while getting off the throne and down the stairs? (NT) -- Samuel, 14:41:46 05/24/20 Sun At Miss Universe 1998, Brooke took her crown off when Wendy was making her first walk. She probably thought it was Wendy's time. (NT) -- Old Fan/New Name, 18:32:06 05/24/20 Sun According to reports and E behind the scenes, Brooke was done by the time she crowned Wendy. You also recall she had a Angela Basset moment and cut her hair significantly backstage before the crowning. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:37:18 05/24/20 Sun I think we debated this before but Colombia 2014. I personally never "got her" especially because we knew Ariadna was coming (her family was even in Miami for the pageant scoping it out) but Paulina Vega was the most consistent competitor who never gave up the leading spot after arrival. Global Beauties never had her lower than 2nd and I think she's the only candidate they've given a "perfect score" to in their leaderboard. Spain, USA, India and Ukraine made a lot of noise but Paulina was pretty unavoidable from day one. The girls knew this and resented it, by the way. Before her on your list, probably only Glebova meets that criteria. Oxana, Amelia and Dayana are legends but they had their ups and downs through the competition (first two had tough prelims while Dayana had to fight for it on the final night). (NT) -- J, 04:52:59 05/25/20 Mon I remember Puerto Rico was much more favored in Thailand than Glebova. -- Alyssa’s Pinoy Fan, 10:54:36 05/25/20 Mon

Subject: I wonder what Miss NY USA’s big announcement is? 🤔
Author: Pageant gal [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:15:18 05/24/20 Sun <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://pasteboard.co/J9SmilB.jpg">https://pasteboard.co/J9SmilB.jpg</a> [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Nothing about when(or if) the pageant will take place...(click in) -- PikachusWorld, 18:29:04 05/24/20 Sun Anybody knows what is she referring to?? (NT) -- Samuel, 03:39:08 05/25/20 Mon I don't know what this is about, but my guess is that it is something to build her pageant resume, like "I am partnering with Teach For America to read children's stories online every Friday evening." I'm just making that up, but I bet it's something along those lines. And of course, that type of thing is totally great, but it wouldn't be something of general interest to the pageant community. -- Doot, 10:07:48 05/25/20 Mon

Subject: Why had no MUO girl won Miss America before?
Author: Samuel [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:28:11 05/17/20 Sun There has been five former MAO contestants (maybe even more than that if you count Brooke Lee who didn’t win Miss Hawaii but went on to win Miss USA and Miss Universe). But, no MUO girl (at least a contestant that has competed at Miss Teen USA or Miss USA) ever won Miss America. I believe the closest is Jennifer DuPont in Miss America 2005. It is almost 70 years. Why is that the case? Does MAO have something against MUO? I feel that MUO has been very kind to MAO, a former Miss America was invited to join Teen USA last year AND three MAO girls made the top 10 at USA 2019 (2 even made top 5). What is your opinion on this? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I don't know all the reasoning behind this, but I think MAO has always looked down on MUO. MAO has prided itself on being all about scholarships and service, not just lately but going way back, and I think they felt that MUO was more about shallow surface beauty. Recently it's a bit different, especially as MUO has moved more in the direction of stories and achievements, and as you mentioned, they have been more welcoming to MAO. But this whole issue says a lot about MAO: in my opinion, they have always taken themselves way too seriously, and this is their biggest downfall. I hope MUO doesn't fall into the same trap. -- Doot, 13:35:52 05/17/20 Sun Exactly! Maybe MAO is a little full of themselves (even more so now). MUO girls are beautiful and accomplished as well. It’s a shame and pity that no former MUO contestant ever won Miss America. Quite hard to realize that given that Miss USA has been established since 1952! And MUO is so generous to MAO (more so recently). Five former MAO girls winning Miss USA (some who competed in MAO state pageants as well). Invited Nia Franklin to talk shows, invited a former to judge Miss Teen USA, and how many MAO girls that made top 5 at USA recently?? (NT) -- Samuel, 14:44:52 05/17/20 Sun It haas happened....Miss Teen USA from CT (NT) -- D, 13:45:49 05/17/20 Sun Hmm... I know a MAO girl has won MUO national numerous times. My question is, has a MUO girl win Miss America before?? (NT) -- Samuel, 14:40:05 05/17/20 Sun The closest was Jennifer dupont who competed way too early at miss usa. But at miss america, she was absolutely perfection. How she lost to that hideous Beaty eyed monster from Alamaba is beyond me. Wait, it's miss america lol. (NT) -- Original Rican, 14:37:58 05/17/20 Sun We have never had a girl from Alamaba win. Where is that? Shithole Puerto Rico? (NT) -- S, 15:16:51 05/19/20 Tue Yes there has been 3 Miss Alabama contestants win the Miss America -- Mr New Mexico USA, 17:01:11 05/19/20 Tue have (NT) -- S, 18:22:33 05/19/20 Tue* Dupont needed a nose job. (NT) -- AL walked that runway like a model and very smart., 15:48:48 05/21/20 Thu You are crazy. Alabama looked like a monster. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:47:44 05/21/20 Thu I’ve always thought that it had to do with the age limit! Since MAO has a lower age limit than MUO, women drawn to both would be more likely to start with MAO, then shift focus to MUO to maximize their chances & time. (NT) -- HNJxx, 21:10:23 05/23/20 Sat I have always thought the same and think this is the main reason. Though a secondary reason is that there are some greedy and Miss USA disliking board members and obviously their input is important. The younger age at America is the main reason for less crossovers though (USA to MAO). (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:18:25 05/23/20 Sat

Subject: Can someone please tell me what MISS UT post means on IG.. Nudes? She sold them?
Author: WHAT? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:53:28 05/19/20 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I haven't read about that, but she said that when she first competed all the girls that placed ahead of her had huge breasts. Then, she had a surgery requested a D and got a triple D and she will be reducing their size for Miss USA. She also said that she refers to herself as she/her but at the same time she is like two tribes in something related to LGBTQQIDAAPPO2SBNBGNCGGAPPO+. Anyways, she has learned her lesson and I could easily see La Shugart and her team falling for her. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 23:26:18 05/20/20 Wed You forgot XY and Z. (NT) -- Lol, 08:46:22 05/21/20 Thu She seems nice, but regardless what she does I don’t think they’ll want to deal with someone who is very bipolar for a whole year. (NT) -- Pixie, 16:24:05 05/21/20 Thu Her post reads ( and its still up) So someday when my nudes get leaked to TMZ... etc then she says. Yes , it was me that sold my own nudes. Was she joking? Its not funny (NT) -- And NO I do not think they will find this endearing. She post some bizzare stuff. It worrisom (my opinion), 16:54:59 05/21/20 Thu I tend to agree. And I know she has some well respected friends in the industry but there's something off about her. I don't know her. Just going by her posts. She almost seems to be putting up a front. (NT) -- dee, 10:02:13 05/22/20 Fri I just can't believe they let her post that on the official Miss UTAH USA page. What are her strengths? I know nothing about this girl. Was her interview good? I think she saw this post and inserted the "yes, I'm joking". Ok then. (NT) -- Sammy, 10:06:14 05/22/20 Fri YES that " I'm joking" was addd after the OG post. The first post said: AND TO CLARIFY, YES OT WAS ME WHO SOLD MY OWN NUDES.. I MEAN... OBVIOUSLY. (NT) -- So she changed it to ake us think it was a joke. But I have a screen shot of the OG that was sent to me., 10:50:57 05/22/20 Fri

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