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Subject: HOW WOULD YOU SCORE THIS GOWN?
Author: MU_Critic [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:15:24 05/17/21 Mon MISS UNIVERSE PUERTO RICO From 1.0 - 9.9? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It's a 7 for me. I actually preferred her prelims gown. Also, her make-up here did her no favors as she clearly looked the oldest among the Top 10. (NT) -- annie55, 20:35:49 05/17/21 Mon Estafania has worn so many stunning gowns in several photoshoots in her lifetime. I'm actually baffled that the lime green pleated dress for prelims and this one with the prosthetic eye balls on the bodice are the ones she chose for the biggest competition of her life. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:41:45 05/17/21 Mon Popcorn on top, spaghetti on the bottom. This is not my kind of gown, but I give her credit for pushing the envelope. -- I give the gown a 5., 20:49:23 05/17/21 Mon Bizzare gown, but Cynthia Lee Fontaine is still looking GORG...I'll give her 7. (NT) -- JustM (nsi), 21:29:25 05/17/21 Mon Gown, 5. CouCou, 10. (NT) -- ., 22:25:49 05/17/21 Mon 2.0 (NT) -- c, 01:13:43 05/18/21 Tue I thought this was one of the better gowns. I liked it better than her preliminary gown. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 01:19:12 05/18/21 Tue It's different, not sure how I feel about it, but what I do like is that you can tell she felt like a MILLION bucks in it and her presentation showed. I think Estefania is a mature, soft-spoken, good-natured 29 year old. She's almost 30 and remember how you were at that age when you walked into a bar filled with people 5-10 years younger? I think she just doesn't have the personality of a MU for that reason. She knows life is more than a crown, even if you're from Puerto Rico. (NT) -- But in EG she LIT UP like nothing else, 11:10:01 05/18/21 Tue I'd give this gown a 8.752. Yes, you nailed it! It's just like walking into the bar and everyone around you is a decade younger, and you're like, "hmmm, I need to move on and be at another place". Been there, done that feeling. But where should Puerto Rico go? I think she should start meeting others at a social group of some sort, or even church. Join a club. That's what happens when you're old. (NT) -- My Take, 12:08:52 05/18/21 Tue 8. (NT) -- I don't like the fringe thingies hanging on the skirt., 11:18:55 05/18/21 Tue 5. To me, it appears the designer was indecisive in completing the gown and took the top and bottom portion of two separate gowns, sliced in half and sewn together and hide the seams with a ribbon/bow in the middle. It seems like a gown more suited for Project Runway than the runway at Miss Universe. Also, the fringe is too long and distracts from the overall gown. (NT) -- MLB, 11:54:19 05/18/21 Tue Kyle from RHOBH in a gown I'd give a 5 (NT) -- Lee, 18:09:55 05/18/21 Tue 10. (NT) -- Hands down, 18:47:25 05/18/21 Tue My feeling is PR probably wanted to go another route because she knew she was mature looking. She decided to go for the Riyo style (more masculine) to naturalize her mature look. But, the gown was my least favorite of the top 10. The style of the bottom and top don’t match. Didn’t like the bottom part either. She should’ve went with another gown. I will give her a score of 8.50 for the walk and confidence. (NT) -- Samuel, 10:57:57 05/20/21 Thu It was my favorite gown of the night. Well done, Puerto Rico. (NT) -- ICEMAN, 13:56:28 05/20/21 Thu Gown itself 8.5, but the overall presentation was at least 9.5 IMHO (NT) -- Philly Fan, 16:29:13 05/20/21 Thu The bottom is excellent, I dislike the top big time. But even with Zuleyka judging, there was no hiding that Estefanía at times looked 50... and let's face it, she indeed looked 60 here and there. I say that without putting down any delegate... and IT PAINS ME to say that, but unfortunately she comes off significantly older.... so it is not a surprise to read some missologosts quibble that Estefanía looks 63 or 64 years old. That is why I think she would be perfect for the Grandma Universe competition. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi)., 19:38:58 05/20/21 Thu Well, if you are being completely honest, the majority of these women looked much older than what they said they were and many of the rest looked like men in drag. These designers and make up artists apply this war paint with a heavy hand so none of these girls look like normal females that you see in real life (NT) -- No Name, 19:59:19 05/20/21 Thu That's actually a good point. Many fans assume that gay males are the best stylists and make-up artists but in cases, they end up turning these young ladies into their special drag queen creations. Not all, of course. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:15:05 05/20/21 Thu I was digging the dress but then I saw the face and immedately thought POSE!!! Final score: 6 (NT) -- Pam, 20:12:26 05/20/21 Thu Omg she does look like Pose but specifically Blanca. But that is a compliment because Blanca is pretty but even sexier as a man. (NT) -- Original Rican, 08:09:19 05/21/21 Fri The face super high, however in judging Beauty, this poor girl would not be in my top 21. Not facially strong to me, reminds me of a character from a cartoon or something I saw at Chucky CHeese (NT) -- Mona Hibbard Miss Miss Illinois, 15:44:22 05/21/21 Fri 9.125 (NT) -- PurdueQueen, 22:18:14 05/21/21 Fri Ya'll complaining about age, then Miss U shouldn't let 27 years old compete. Cap it at 26. Period. (NT) -- Lee, 18:53:34 05/22/21 Sat 7.5 for me (NT) -- Joseph, 16:33:13 05/22/21 Sat The mixed responses prove how polarizing this year's EG segment was. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:27:14 05/22/21 Sat I'm sorry I see a 60 year old Mrs world contestant with bad plastic surgery. (NT) -- Original Rican, 22:29:06 05/22/21 Sat Could you imagine if she had worn this at MU 1998 and those skirt strings got caught in the escalator during the pre-taped gown parade? lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:43:58 05/22/21 Sat You're right. She doesn't look fresh, I believe she's 29, too old to be Miss Universe. (NT) -- You're a good observer, she doesn't have a good job nose either, 12:58:57 05/23/21 Sun I thought it looked high-end, upscale. I might've added more beading to the top portion. (NT) -- 9.45, 14:17:43 05/23/21 Sun If she wore a black ensemble ala Cynthia Olavarria she could have had more impact. She would have been a vision. Mortica Addams realness in the MU stage. (NT) -- KiwiGuy, 18:29:22 05/23/21 Sun Honey. She would not, not on this stage. Had it been " Grandma Universe", I would have crowned her... but I think she will have to wait at least 17 years to compete at "Grandma Universe". She is actually a great looking woman, I really mean and think this, but she looks circa 60 and this simply was not in the best pageant for her. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 20:54:48 05/23/21 Sun She is only 29, I doubt she’d want to be a grandmother when she 46. This post is ridiculous and mean spirited. (NT) -- :), 10:59:54 05/24/21 Mon Most people can only dream of looking this good when they are 60. ;-) (NT) -- LOVE Miss Puerto Rico ... she was great!, 14:19:04 05/24/21 Mon Exactly. The hate on this woman is a perfect example of how depraved our community can get. This is an objectively gorgeous woman. (NT) -- what the f*k is wrong with some of you; if you don't like her, don't put her in her Top 15, but the pile on here is embarrassing., 23:52:47 05/26/21 Wed* Is that a gray hair I see near her right side? (NT) -- Wrinkles, 10:36:22 05/24/21 Mon

Subject: We will have a fabulous Miss Universe 2021 season!
Author: HawtPlusSeksi (nsi). [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:12:06 05/25/21 Tue As of 25 May 2021, 3 contestants have been chosen! BE 🇧🇪 Kedist Deltour 23 Nazareth FR 🇫🇷 Clémence Botino 24 Baie-Mahault VN 🇻🇳 Nguyễn Huỳnh Kim Duyên 25 Cần Thơ 😇 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I have high hopes for Belgium based on her physical beauty. However, we saw Europe decimated last week and sadly I think the same thing will likely happen in December. I also doubt Clémence Botino would have fared any better than Amandine Petit had she competed last week. But overall, we are off to a good start. Vietnam is looking nice as well. I hope the quality of delegates remains high. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:18:17 05/25/21 Tue I hope so as well. I wonder if many European girls will crown Black girls or other visible minorities. That would be great! I know Jeanette from the UK was maybe not the most attractive girl, but it looked like she had an amazing personality and of course, great communication skills. I am sure we will have more Sistas from Europe. As for Vietnam, I loved the delegate that made top 21 in Florida. HOT in all phases of the competition, SS, gown, a bit weaker in interview but still I would have easily advanced her to top 10. 😇 (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:25:21 05/25/21 Tue Great Britain was flat chested. She made it in on interview and miss universe copying miss world on entrepreneurs. I would have put in Japan over her. (NT) -- Original Rican, 23:19:08 05/25/21 Tue I loved Aicha 🇯🇵. She should have easily made it, and was also stronger than their 2015 delegate who made the cut. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 23:32:21 05/25/21 Tue I know Myanmar is getting a lot of support but I would have preferred Japan over her. Hell, India had no business in top 21 I would have replaced her with Japan. (NT) -- Original Rican, 00:05:35 05/26/21 Wed Myanmar had the face and the story. I will admit that she looked bored on stage during the final telecast. Japan grew on my during the pageant. She seemed natural and bubbly. I didn't care for that lime green ballgown monstrosity but she would have been a nice addition to the Top 21 over several others. But it was crystal clear that this was going to be a Latina year and it panned out exactly as expected. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 04:05:37 05/26/21 Wed I can see all three of them making the cut. All gorgeous girls selected so far. Hope this trend continues. (NT) -- annie55, 00:30:31 05/26/21 Wed

Subject: https://youtu.be/mW4aPkiqoZU
Author: Barron [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:00:31 05/22/21 Sat DRAMA REGARDING MISS UNIVERSE CANADA'S GOWNS Watch "Michael Cinco at Miss Universe Canada Team ,Nagkaron ng Mainit na Komprontasyon sa Instagram Post" on YouTube [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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WOW ... WOW! The Director needs to go (NT) -- Paulina, 11:39:15 05/22/21 Sat Who cares? She didnt make top 21. The better question is why spend thousands on a gown when you know you not winning. (NT) -- Original Rican, 11:40:26 05/22/21 Sat Exactly! Everyone keeps hyping Miss Canada and the pageant is over. That woman could have worn a billion dollar dress and she still would not have made it. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 12:35:48 05/22/21 Sat I just watched Nova's IG video about this and she's handling it wonderfully. She clearly has nothing to do with this entire situation. (NT) -- HNJxx, 18:09:54 05/22/21 Sat LMAFO! Cinco scolded all of them: Miguel, Nova, Denis, Glebova...lol! The best part of Cinco's response was this: "Next time don't use Filipino designers, use designers from your country and represent them in the world stage." I whole-heartedly agree. Unfortunately, for many Canadian pageant fans, MUC is hardly Canadian. The national costumes are created in Nicaragua and now we've been told that the gowns were "sponsored" by Cinco in the past 3 years. The free gowns come as no surprise since for the longest time, Denis Davila wouldn't offer his winners proper gowns (ie. Siera Bearchell) and many opted to wear their national gowns on the MU stage as default. Glebova hightailed it from Canada as soon as she could and took her parents over to Thailand once she married rich. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:03:19 05/22/21 Sat She milked the Thai tennis player until it was time for her to have a baby then she decided she wanted a Latin playboy baby daddy. She's no worse than that Slovenian golddigger we had to put up with for four years. (NT) -- Eastern Europeans are notorious for survival mode, 19:08:01 05/22/21 Sat Do Canadians even consider Natalie Glebova one of them? She lived in Canada maybe what, 10 years of her life? Even her parents weren't living in Canada at the time of her MU win, they were apparently living in Boston. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 19:41:14 05/22/21 Sat I certainly don't! She was also trained in Colombia, which is why her robotic on-stage antics were reminiscent of Catherine Daza Manchola from the year before. Also, Glebova had more facial surgeries than Joan Rivers heading into MU 2005 and her face still didn't look right. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:46:23 05/22/21 Sat Wow, it seems as though Natalie Glebova basically used Canada just to get a crown. If Natalie followed her parents to Boston and entered Massachusetts USA, I don't think she would've won. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 01:57:59 05/23/21 Sun CLICK INSIDE for a video in Spanish about the work Natalie had done to her face prior to MU 2005 (and this was round 2)! On top of the nose job, chin implant, and cheek lipo, she had vaneers put in before and I believe one previous nose job as well. She had all images of her "before" photos removed from Google Images with her hubby's money. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- MU_Critic, 02:27:44 05/23/21 Sun I didn't know Natalie Glebova had that much work done. I suspected she had a nose job in between her attempts at Miss Canada Universe. I guess the additional surgeries were an attempt to look more Latin American and less Eastern European. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 02:54:56 05/23/21 Sun Why would an Eastern European try to look Latin American? Eastern European ladies are on average 10 cm taller. And let's face it, the most gorgeous women are often Eastern Europeans. Latinas are beautiful too, and maybe more sensual and certainly more successful in pageants... But straight men, if they have a choice, would easily choose an Eastern European over a Latina for a wife. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:15:45 05/25/21 Tue Isn't this the same woman who married a Thai man and loved there for a number of years? I never liked Natalie but also didn't like her Michael Jackson first runner up. 2005 was a bad year because all the beauties got eliminated. (NT) -- Original Rican, 10:21:59 05/23/21 Sun LOL at Michael Jackson! As much as Glebova does not show any signs of personality, Cynthia or Dom.Rep. would have been atrocious winners and Cynthia looks a bit like him... and my opinion of Natalie has been nothing but going down over the years. I think she simply became frustrated over the years! One of the fakest sounding MU at the moment, which is difficult in itself! As of Nova, Natalie early steered her in the wrong direction, and she was never among the genuine contestants to start with. LOL. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 20:39:38 05/23/21 Sun There was almost no coverage after she won, though to be fair it would have been the same with a Canadian of any ethnicity. Greater Toronto is also a city where many communities do not necessarily mingle together a lot, Natalie was known in the Russian community and at Ryerson Polytechnic, but ask any Torontonian, let alone any Canadian who she is, maybe 3-4 people out of a 1000 would know her name. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 02:39:43 05/23/21 Sun Canada doesn't have a pageant culture. (NT) -- Also they don't have a large entertainment industry or fashion industry., 15:07:37 05/24/21 Mon BOC team is drama. Latino queens gone bad. Very few of their formers refer to them with positive praises. Apparently Czech Republic, Romania, and even MEXICO had gowns designed by Cinco (although Meza did not ultimately wear it but she did thank him after the pageant). The other two did as well. Nova has a lot of bad energy about her and you know MUO picked up on it hence her exclusion. Bearchell is clearly going to take the Filipino's side on this one LOL. (NT) -- Anyway, I still stand by my posiiton that Sherri Hill will allow someone to win in his gown over her dead body. Even Gionni Straccia is no longer dressing the Venezuelans after she nixed all the Texans, et al. who opted for his gowns at USA, 19:04:50 05/22/21 Sat They certainly took massive advantage & hugely profited from Filipino kindness, dedication, love & hospitality!!!! (NT) -- The Miss UNIVERSE Canada team & organisation are a disgrace to pageantry and a very corrupt lot! (*They MUST GO, MUO,!), 10:31:02 05/23/21 Sun* Nova was better of getting a Ethiopian designer or an American black designer. (NT) -- Original Rican, 10:24:43 05/23/21 Sun She should simply have gotten a Canadian designer - PERIOD! ..... Moreover, the designer's skin colour is irrelevant & immaterial, original rican! Canadian society is diverse and inclusive.! (NT) -- Maple Leaf Pride (NO to Racism in pageantry!), 10:40:39 05/23/21 Sun Clearly it is when Nova stevens is her western name. No different than Rabiya talking about she used skin bleach. (NT) -- Original Rican, 10:46:50 05/23/21 Sun I still do not understand the nuances behind the drama, anyone who speaks Tagalog can explain it? or forward us to a different youtube link. I thought Marta Stępień and Nova both bought gowns from him for their own money, or at least they were borrowed to advertise the designer. I had no clue Alyssa B. also had a gown of his. Denis Davila is indeed known as a very economic director and even if a gown to be worn is provided in some years, they are usually quite unattractive and not the highest quality... and many girls just wear their own gowns. My understanding now is that Davila had to pay and did not pay for any of the three gowns or am I mixing things up? And what is Natalie's involvement, except for being Nova's coach? Did she discourage her from wearing the yellow Cinco's gown in the semis? If so, let's remember Nova was literally 97% sure to make the semis, probably the highest of any delegate except for Philippines. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 17:04:11 05/23/21 Sun Dani Walker summarizes well. BOC said gowns didn't arrive on time but BOC sent him videos showing her wearing them. The problem apparently was Nova has a 26 waistline but BOC wanted 23 inches because "comfort doesn't matter" in a beauty pageant according to BOC. So that's there beef. So much for Nova's team and showcasing all the shapes and color of women. Cinco sounds done with BOC. Another Filipino designer who has dressed several MU candidates also said Davila reneged on their deal to desig. the fake STEM candidate from 2018 but last minute switched to Cinco with no explanation or apologies. He is done with them too. (NT) -- BOC sounds like fake users and take heed MUO will exclude them for upsettting one of its biggest benefactors today. Drama, 17:42:08 05/23/21 Sun Also all the gowns Filipinos made were free lt charge to BOC (NT) -- Serves then right also for needing so much validation and approval at Univese., 17:45:51 05/23/21 Sun Apparently Denis Davila had 5 gowns made for Marta Stepien, with the designer's team travelling to Bangkok for fittings for her and then returning to Manila to finalize the gowns. Davila promised media mileage. Then it turns out Stepien wasn't wearing them for competition as promised and wouldn't return all but one of the gowns (the red Cambodian wore that year). No explanation or apology or thank you. And no, Davila did not pay for any cent of the gowns or travel. (NT) -- Designers should stay clear of him., 18:32:21 05/24/21 Mon As unprofessional as MUC is, Rian doesn't come across as the smartest businessman. I can understand a designer working with a director/contestant to create one free gown and having fittings to ensure it is perfect in order to get the brand out there. However, to create 5 intricately beaded custom gowns pro bono and paying for their own airfare is ridiculous. That being said, I'm glad Rian finally cut ties with Davila and is moving forward assisting other more appreciative and ethical beauty queens and their directors.. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 04:00:04 05/26/21 Wed https://news.abs-cbn.com/life/05/25/21/miss-universe-canada-org-reacts-to-issue-involving-nova-stevens-michael-cinco -- https://news.abs-cbn.com/life/05/25/21/miss-universe-canada-org-reacts-to-issue-involving-nova-stevens-michael-cinco, 00:55:36 05/26/21 Wed

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Subject: VANBROS PAGEANTS
Author: Pageants_positivity [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:46:33 05/25/21 Tue Vanbros is starting to finish up their states for this new season of Miss USA contestants... thoughts and predications for Miss Oklahoma and Miss Illinois USA as their last two? Loving the women they have crowned so far! Looking competitive for Miss USA [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Miss World Organization Congratulates Andrea Meza
Author: annie55 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:28:32 05/17/21 Mon The Miss World Organization congratulates Andrea Meza for winning Miss Universe. They also congratulated Julia Gama for placing as 1st RU. View this post on Instagram A post shared by Miss World (@missworld) Andrea sent this reply: "Thank you so much 🙌🏼 My experience at miss world was life changing, will always have you all in my heart ❤️" I find it amazing that MUO's rival org would post this (they also posted a similar message to Catriona Gray after she won Miss Universe (to compare, I can't imagine Miss America posting something similar after having one of their formers win Miss USA). I think this is a step forward and we'll probably see more Miss World cross-overs in the future (and I think this will be awesome, one thing Miss World does not lack is beautiful candidates). Here's Andrea in 2018 during her "Global Humanitarian Tour" with Julia Morley and Miss World 2017 Manushi Chhillar. Last edited by author: Mon May 17, 2021 18:29:45 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The girl seems to have gotten in the good graces of three difficult bosses - Lupita, Julia, and Paula (in that order - I think Paula is a latchkey mom LOL). Clearly they see something in her. (NT) -- Looking forward to her reign, 18:37:03 05/17/21 Mon BWAHAHAHA! Girrrrrrrl, now I feel for Andrea for putting up with all three! (NT) -- MY GAWD!!!, 20:22:32 05/17/21 Mon Among recent (2016-2019) MW Runner Ups, I'd say we could see Ophély Mézino and Nicolene Pichapa Limsnukan at a future MU. Suman Rao is most likely taking her talents to Bollywood. I don't see much MU potential in Stephanie Hill and Natasha Mannuela Halim. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 18:39:05 05/17/21 Mon As I wrote in another post, I'm waiting for an actual Miss World winner to attempt a double crown for Miss Universe. I would have thought that given the Philippines fandom for pageants, Megan Young will attempt is, but she's married and aged-out. I think the only remaining contender would be Manushi Chhillar. How interesting would THAT be if she competed at Miss Universe, and then have Andrea Meza crown her. I don't think Stephanie Del Valle or Tori-Ann Singh have shots of winning Miss Universe. I think the other Miss World winners have aged-out. (NT) -- annie55, 20:24:25 05/17/21 Mon Manushi Chhillar is making her Bollywood film debut this year, so she can be eliminated. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 21:27:12 05/17/21 Mon Miss America is even worse, that former Miss America that got bullied judged miss Universe last year. Julia gets free publicity but reality is and will always be, she attracts better looking women. And she liekly watched last night gleeful that Paula stole beauty with a purpose. (NT) -- Original Rican, 18:40:47 05/17/21 Mon Agreed! This is nothing more than MWO stating, "We had her first and she is now your sloppy seconds." MUO is still fermenting in some identity crisis. I mean, if this year was all about businesswomen and entrepreneurship, why not crown Bolivia? She won the Beauty With A Purpose Award and $10,000 but why not crown her if she suits the gimmick this year (Latina + business)? Yes, she was styled abysmally during prelims but so were Mexico, PR, and a slew of others. It didn't hold them back from advancing. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 18:56:08 05/17/21 Mon So true but here is another question. Bolivia Won beauty with a purpose but didn't she or at least the girls know the award was being given out during rehearsals? They out it in the telecast like it was a surprise but I'm sure the video played for them in advance. Miss Universe needs to go back to basics with men judges and get rid of this left wing crap. Surprisingly though, we heard nothing about BLM outside of protests. I almost feel like Nova was eliminated so they could stay clear of the issue. How old is Nova? She is perfect for Miss world. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:18:06 05/17/21 Mon Nova was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Zozi's year was the BLM gimmick year. Nova would have challenged for the crown had she competed in MUC 2019 and won instead of Alyssa Boston who looked like she injected her face with helium. I think they don't announce the award winners during rehearsals but just time the award ceremony for the sake of production. So I think the ladies knew 2 awards would be given out but they may have not known for what or who the winners would be. They probably played a cake pop commercial during that time in rehearsals. Nova is 26 (if we are to believe this info). I never want to see her in a pageant again. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:51:14 05/17/21 Mon They play random videos from the year before during rehearsals. They probably played the Angela Ponce video. (NT) -- They probably new about the Impact award and the smart ones guessed the Angela Ponce tribute was for Canada. It wasn't for Miss Venezuela and her bad boob job., 20:07:22 05/17/21 Mon To call BLM a "gimmick" is sickening. We all watched a police office murder an unarmed black man on video, and we know it is one of hundreds of such events. This was understandably a tremendous story in 2020, and I give credit to MUO for addressing it and not ignoring it. -- Shame on you, 20:53:57 05/17/21 Mon Nobody called BLM a gimmick. However, your precious MUO led by Paula Shugart certainly used BLM as a gimmick last year. Interesting how this year only 4 black girls made the cut among a sea of black beauties and Africa as a region was completely shutout from the Top 21. So you're better off airing your grievances to companies like MUO that exploit movements for their own benefit to get woke sponges on board only to abandon them within a drop of a hat for something that is more lucrative. Good luck! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:11:17 05/17/21 Mon MUO Critic is spot on. Not just miss Universe 2019 but even worse at Miss USA 2020.i don't fault miss Universe for keeping up with the times but they did in fact exploit BLM. Unlike covid that impacted the world, blm directly impacts the black community every day. And in these years if you talked the BLM language you won, well its no surprise look at our 2019 winners. I also believe that Paula was making up for wrongs in the all 3 pageants history. There is no excuse why Deshauna and Kiera should have won, both were horrible. And just a year later, 2 more black girls. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:13:58 05/18/21 Tue Oh really dear. Pop quiz: in the entire USA how many "unarmed" black men were killed by cops in the year 2019-NINE, that's it NINE. Out of a population of 335 million ppl. So much for this "epidemic". By contrast about 7500 black ppl are murdered every year and 91% are murdered by other blacks. Don't their lives "matter"? (NT) -- BLM is a grift to make money., 12:56:18 05/25/21 Tue Of the current national directors directing the same country, does Lupita have the most winners? She is at 2. Tied with South Africa? (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:24:18 05/17/21 Mon I believe Times of India have 2 winners if you count Sushmita Sen (1994) and Lara Dutta (2000). They lost the franchise to Sushmita Sen in 2010 but regained it in 2013. Adline has been their only Top 5 placer since Celina Jaitley back in 2001. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:55:33 05/17/21 Mon I'm actually waiting for a Miss World winner (or Miss Universe winner) to have the balls to cross-over and attempt a double-crown. Whoever that is will have my admiration. (NT) -- annie55, 20:08:59 05/17/21 Mon YES! They would get instant publicity and support from fans and it would certainly make for an extremely interesting pageant. I believe the closest thing we've had most recently (in the US) was Teresa Scanlan, Miss America 2011, place 1st RU at Miss World America in 2015. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:16:46 05/17/21 Mon Didn’t that almost happen back in 2003 with Rosanna Davison, MW 2003? There was talk that she might try to win Miss Universe, or was that just a rumor? (NT) -- Zander, 21:04:26 05/17/21 Mon I believe that was just a rumor but I wish it hadn't been! She's lovely! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:21:14 05/17/21 Mon I wonder if there's a contract on the 3 biggest pageants (World, Universe, Earth) that forbids them from participating in other pageants, or maybe they really just don't want to take risk... It's apparently allowed by Miss International when MI 2014 joined miss U PR in 2019, but dropped out... and for Miss Supranational, MS 2015 was apparently supposed to be this year's rep to Miss Universe but wasn't able to pay the franchise.... and for MGI, Miss Grand 2015 from Australia joined MU Australia in 2018 but didn't win. (NT) -- supragirl, 21:17:08 05/17/21 Mon Good point. It's possible for the 1st RU in case something happens to the winner and the 1st RU needs to assume the title. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:27:33 05/17/21 Mon I also want to add that the difference between Julia Morley and Paula Shugart is that Julia is the shrewder business woman who actually knows her brand. Yes, MW is a boring variety show but you will never see a MU finalist win the blue crown. They will place as finalists and RU's at the most but they will never win nowadays. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:39:41 05/17/21 Mon The last MU crossover to win MW was Agbani Darego and that was 20 years ago. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 21:28:03 05/17/21 Mon Yes! But things have changed so much now. I doubt we will ever see an MU finalist win MW again. Agbani was a stunning winner! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:17:37 05/17/21 Mon It’s true that MUO wants everything for free, but Julia has gotten herself in hot water with bad decision making. Julia has made frequent missteps when it comes to the pageant itself. Miss World was met with protests when Bangalore hosted in 1996 and met with even bigger protests in 2002 when the pageant was forcefully moved from Nigeria to London at the last minute. Vietnam was to host in 2010 but backed out as the date neared due to shady dealings and lack of support from the original sponsor. (NT) -- MLB, 04:32:44 05/18/21 Tue Jakarta was to host the pageant in 2013, but was plagued by protests from Muslim hardliners and thus, relocated exclusively to Bali, which is considered a resort area. Finally, for its 70th anniversary, Thailand was announced as host, but due to the pandemic, among other things, Puerto Rico somehow was named as host. Although with good intentions, I think Julia is too quick to make deals without doing much diligence regarding the host city/country/sponsors and eventually finds herself in strange predicaments. (NT) -- MLB, 04:33:13 05/18/21 Tue Whatever happened about miss universe 1996 taking place in Johannesburg? I'm still surprised the only Africa edition we got was in 1995. (NT) -- Original Rican, 22:18:50 05/22/21 Sat As boring as MW is, I do like that more countries have a chance at her pageant and that she could care less about the sash countries. Filipinos attack her pageant year after year but she doesn't care and it even without the support of filipino fans, her pageant is doing alright.. This is also the only pageant where Colombia means nothing. (NT) -- supragirl, 21:11:02 05/17/21 Mon It's been reported that Julia Morley also charges the same fixed US$10,000 franchise fee for every country. There may be under-the-table business arrangements and hosting persuasions going on but it's not an overt pay-to-play scheme like MUO invites and thrives on. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:45:33 05/17/21 Mon Indonesia's franchise fees being assumed as high, I don't get why. They've never won or hosted. I don't think they've even come in as a runner-up. And they are majority Muslim. (NT) -- Plus now they train at Miss Academy, so that probably helps, 00:18:26 05/18/21 Tue Correct. Indonesia's highest placement was last year when they finally managed to reach Top 10. The reason why I think it will be a long time coming before they win is because they are a Muslim majority country and SS is heavily frowned upon if not considered haram/illegal in the eyes of some. This is why Indonesia is now MW territory because they have ditched the Beach Beauty round. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 00:44:14 05/18/21 Tue You got a point, i just notice Indonesia streak in MW is still the longest compare to other, i guess it must be because of their BWAP project, Mrs.Morley must be so impressed with it. (NT) -- Maybe Indonesia will get their first crown in the next 5 years or so after so many placements and runners up., 22:39:03 05/22/21 Sat Here is another win for Miss world. With the exception of Jamaica 2019, I would say all of their winners could stomp on miss Universe winners every year. Gowns at miss Universe this year dramatically improved but typically miss world gowns are exceptional especially for Europe and Africa. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:16:34 05/18/21 Tue It’s been two days, but am I the only one who does not like Andrea’s evening gown? Good thing she’s tall, as the gown makes her look short and wide. (NT) -- Not my favorite, 17:06:56 05/18/21 Tue The gown is horrid! Looks like the inside of an infected esophagus. Was she referencing Covid? lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:05:31 05/22/21 Sat Very happy to see MWO issue a statement and acknowledge their placements! It is extremely rare that both crossovers placed in the top 2 at Miss Universe!!! Extremely rare and never happened before. I hope MWO can be more open to crowning Miss Universe crossovers now because we haven’t seen a crossover win since 2001!! (NT) -- Samuel, 19:16:20 05/21/21 Fri To me, this whole congratulatory missive from MW to MUO reeks of condescension. It's kind of like saying " You certainly looked pretty at the party wearing my old prom dress. How lucky you were to find it at that particular Goodwill. Bless your heart!" They are kind of saying that she wasn't primo enough for a Miss World, but she will be fine as a Miss Universe, lol. (NT) -- No Name, 14:12:51 05/22/21 Sat Exactly! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:05:53 05/22/21 Sat Oh I didn’t think of it that way lol. I try to look at the good side of people, not the bad side. (NT) -- Samuel, 22:18:01 05/22/21 Sat To Samuel..... honestly, I try to also. However, many times you have to keep flipping them over and over to find a good side. It becomes very tiring. (NT) -- No Name, 12:16:53 05/23/21 Sun Seems Miss World rejects ( Angella Visser, Yendi Philips, Ada De La Cruz Ramirez) to name a notable few tended to do better than vice versa. The only stellar performance from Universe to World is Gina Swanson from Bermuda who won in 197o (NT) -- Barron, 16:07:01 05/22/21 Sat Should say 1979 (NT) -- Barron, 16:08:22 05/22/21 Sat What about on the usa side? Gina Tolleson was first runner at usa and went on to win miss world. (NT) -- Original Rican, 17:39:53 05/22/21 Sat 8 Miss World winners previously competed @ Miss Universe: Carmen Susana Duijm, Corine Rottschaefer, Rosemarie Frankland, Madeline Hartog-Bel Houghton, Eva Rueber-Staier, Helen Morgan, Gina Swainson, Agbani Darego. 6 Miss Universe winners previously competed @ Miss World: Georgina Rizk, Angela Visser, Michelle McLean, Mpule Kwelagobe, Catriona Gray, Andrea Meza. 5 of these MWs were semifinalists @ MU and 3 of these MWs were MU 1st RUs. 3 of these MUs did not make the cut @ MW, 2 were MW Top 5 Finalists, and 1 was MW 1st RU. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 20:01:04 05/22/21 Sat Thanks for the update. (NT) -- You do you beauty pageants!, 20:31:23 05/22/21 Sat So then what happened to Martina Thorogood? MW 1999 1st RU. Why was she rejected by Miss Universe? (NT) -- Apparently, she’s the only MW contestant ever rejected by MU, 20:44:09 05/22/21 Sat Martina placed first runner up at miss world. And trump did not want a miss world reject. If I'm not mistaken this when the whole miss Mexico universe, miss Mexico Universe crap started because a lot of countries were spending the winner to miss world (first) then Universe, and many first and second runner ups went to miss universe. Martina was a threat as she had everything to win miss Universe but I think her competition was Lara Dutta which she wasn't going to top. So the first runner up finish with Claudia was as far they were getting (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:05:35 05/22/21 Sat From what I recall, Julia Morley prevented Martina from competing because she was 1st RU to Yukta Mookhey and if anything happened to Yukta, Martina would have had to take over. MUO didn't want Martina's 1st RU at MV (Norkys Batista) to compete, as they only wanted a "winner". So Osmel had to set up Miss Republica Bolivariana Venezuela 2000, which Claudia Moreno won. Claudia looked er...very different without bangs but once Osmel camouflaged her large forehead, she looked like a champion. I agree that Martina would not have surpassed Claudia's placement but Martina should have steamrolled over Puke-ta Yukta at MW! Mookhey won to persuade India to play host the following year and lo and behold, they won again. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:42:46 05/22/21 Sat Those two Indian winners are hideous. To be fair, I have found all the Indian miss world winners to be Indian white women, very westernized. And that horrid winner that Oprah proclaimed the most beautiful woman in the world is most hideous. Martina should have won Miss world. (NT) -- Original Rican, 01:11:13 05/23/21 Sun India won 2 Miss Universes and 4 Miss Worlds in 7 years (1994-2000) with two of those years (1994, 2000) being a double win. Of those 6 winners, I find Yukta Mookhey to be the weak link facially. Remember that Gul Panag beat Yukta at Miss India 1999. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 01:42:54 05/23/21 Sun Sushmita Sen, Aishwarya Rai, Yukta Mookhey, Priyanka Chopra are full Indian. (NT) -- Diana Hayden and Lara Dutta are multigenerational mixed Indian and British., 15:22:12 05/24/21 Mon India was supposed to host Miss World 2000? I know the main sponsor was an Indian television network and an Indian fashion designer created the opening number outfits. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 01:35:51 05/23/21 Sun I recall around that time MWO was in talks with India to host MW 2000. I believe it was reported on Global Beauties but it was merely published as the two parties being in "talks". It didn't pan out. Then Priyanka won back-to-back but India still didn't care enough to host either due to finances or protests. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 02:16:52 05/23/21 Sun Just spent a week in Mexico City. Not one mention of her in the media at all. (NT) -- Elections & Protests about any and everything were all people cared about. And finally being able to dine & drink out., 14:30:29 05/25/21 Tue

Subject: Reminder: Kentucky USA, Arkansas USA, Wisconsin USA This Weekend
Author: Basketball_Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:56:23 05/19/21 Wed http://www.misskentuckyusa.com/contestants https://www.warriorsforross.com/arusa2021/ https://www.misswisconsinusa.com/wi-contestants-miss.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Is the Jack Winn that is competing in AR from TX? I feel as though I’ve seen her name for a state but not sure if if eas for USA or MAO. How did she do? How does she compare to the other AR girls? (NT) -- Glad to see Cassedee Dunlap back with a new look! Will she do well?, 23:52:34 05/19/21 Wed From what I could find online, Jacey Winn competed at Arkansas MAO 2019 but did not make the cut and she is also from Arkansas. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 01:52:22 05/20/21 Thu On the Wisconsin roster is Samantha Keaton, who was 1st RU at Texas Teen USA 2020. I can't find anything online that connects her to Wisconsin. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 02:00:37 05/20/21 Thu $$$$$$ Bank...lesbi honest (NT) -- NSI, 12:38:29 05/20/21 Thu Samantha Keaton has apparently relocated from Austin to Milwaukee. Is she legitimately living/working/attending school in Milwaukee or does she think Wisconsin is an easy state to win? (NT) -- As we all know Texas USA is brutal., 12:46:41 05/21/21 Fri Samantha Keaton and Gracie Hunt competed together @ Texas Teen USA 2017 and 2018. Samantha was Top 16 @ Texas Teen USA 2017 and Non-Finalist @ Texas Teen USA 2018; Samantha was also Non-Finalist @ Texas Teen USA 2019 and 1st RU @ Texas Teen USA 2020. Gracie was 4th RU @ Texas Teen USA 2017 and Top 18 @ Texas Teen USA 2018. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 19:12:08 05/23/21 Sun 2020 was the year of CA state hoppers. (NT) -- Maybe 2021 will be the year of TX state hoppers., 14:57:30 05/24/21 Mon Looks like Samantha Keaton is a protege of Crystle Stewart based on this blog post. (NT) -- https://www.glambysamk.com/post/crystle-stewart, 13:37:58 05/25/21 Tue numbers are way down (NT) -- l, 14:22:51 05/20/21 Thu KY: Photos are incredibly odd. Why mix the Miss and Teen contestants this way? Favorites, Miss: India Marks, Hannah Harrison, Lizzy Neutz, Elle Smith, Yulia Perevozchikova, Courtney Rager, Haven Wolfe, Ariel Thompson. Teen: Blair Ratliff, Keiley Johnson, Kennedy Mosley, Hannah Winchel, Aryah Redmond. (NT) -- HNJxx, 13:29:27 05/21/21 Fri AR: Always pretty girls here. Miss: Klein Jahne Mitchell, Jasmine Bruce, Lauren Everett, Teresa Fletchinger, Rylie Wagner (looks like SRS). Like KY and WI, just choosing based on photos. (NT) -- HNJxx, 13:32:18 05/21/21 Fri WI: Interesting bunch. I honestly don't like a single headshot here, so trying to base this one off of straight looks. Miss: TeKema B., Dea H., Samantha Catherine K., Leah K., Karly K., Marleigh P., Lily T. (NT) -- HNJxx, 13:35:22 05/21/21 Fri WI USA Results. Winner - Samantha Keaton, 1st RU - Jamie Walloch, 2nd RU - TeKema Balentine, 3rd RU - Karly Knaus, 4th RU - Sarah Niehueser. (NT) -- Has WI become the new home for state hoppers? Last year a CA state hopper, this year a TX state hopper., 19:00:18 05/23/21 Sun ARKANSAS TOP 5 : Jasmine Bruce Teresa Fletchinger Mackenzie Hinderberger Stephanie Barber Caroline Adair (NT) -- PACO, 23:20:04 05/23/21 Sun Stephanie won. (NT) -- ., 01:38:26 05/24/21 Mon Stephanie Barber competed @ Texas Teen USA 2017 with Samantha Keaton and Gracie Hunt. Stephanie was Top 16 @ Texas Teen USA 2017 and also a Non-Finalist @ Texas Teen USA 2016. Stephanie's connection to Arkansas is that she is a recent graduate of the University of Arkansas. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 13:33:35 05/25/21 Tue Last years winner was not a state hopper she legitimately moved to WI and everyone who knows her knows that. She worked for a local news station there. (NT) -- And from the stream it sounds like she scored a big job after USA, 05:06:55 05/24/21 Mon OK so Gabriella Deyi was legitimately living/working in WI at the time she won Miss WI USA but what's Samantha Keaton's connection to WI? (NT) -- Is Samantha working or attending school in WI or was she scared of the competition in TX?, 14:36:00 05/24/21 Mon I do not know but I wanted to make it very clear that Gabby Deyi was by no means a state hopper. She was probably the only legitimate California transplant last year. Future should have given her more its a shame I think she would have been a great MUSA (NT) -- as far as Samantha goes. I think she just wanted to avoid comppetition in Texas., 13:48:56 05/25/21 Tue miss Wisconsin teen winner seems like a spoiled brat/pageant party. A teen shouldn’t have endless designed bags (NT) -- How relatable, 10:33:05 05/24/21 Mon

Subject: NOVA'S FINALE MICHAEL CINCO GOWN
Author: MU_Critic [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:07:50 05/19/21 Wed Michael Cinco dressed a few delegates and formers at this year's MU pageant: Canada (finale dress), Czech Republic (prelims), Romania (2 gowns - prelims and finale), and Demi (co-anchor). See all gowns here: https://www.pep.ph/lifestyle/fashion/158409/michael-cinco-gowns-miss-universe-2020-coronation-a721-20210518 Btw, I can confirm that the massive yellow dorito ballgown Cheslie wore during her final walk at MUSA 2020 was also designed by Michael Cinco not Sherri Hill. Last edited by author: Wed May 19, 2021 00:08:02 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Beautiful! I saw another angle of this dress, which did not really showcase its beauty. I would love to see it on another delegate in the future or on Nova modeling it elsewhere. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:21:51 05/19/21 Wed Pretty sure Sherri Hill is nixing all the contestants who wear him, as she did with Gionni Straccia, and Carlos Alberto (who she replaced a year after he became their "official designer"). Last thing she wants is for actual beautiful creations overshadowing hers. It's not worth the money, noticed he doesn't dress the Filipino contestants. (NT) -- Ladies are better off saving their money., 01:38:23 05/19/21 Wed She looks like Joy Reid. (NT) -- lol, 12:20:03 05/20/21 Thu Remember that show on TLC about Gypsies, and there was a lady that specifically designed gowns for weddings and parties for Gypsy girls? This is what that reminds me off. (NT) -- JustM (nsi), 16:09:11 05/20/21 Thu LOL! I think the silhouette is nice but the plutonium color can be seen from NASA space station and the train was so big she had to literally bundle it up and bear hug it while on stage. CLICK INSIDE for a compilation of the worst wedding dresses ever featured on Gypsy Brides US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- MU_Critic, 21:17:47 05/20/21 Thu Aw, no pics! I really wanted a good laugh, too! (NT) -- Groove, 17:17:18 05/21/21 Fri I just added the video in the comment you replied to. Enjoy! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 03:59:30 05/22/21 Sat I think Michael Cinco is telling the truth... 8-> 8-> 8-> Shame on you Miguel for using gowns of Michael for 3 consecutive years without even paying any centavo for all of it... you're such a liar ungrateful user miguel... shame on you... (NT) -- Galit Sa Bobo, 10:43:08 05/22/21 Sat It's clear that Miguel and the MUC team of yokels were banking so hard on Nova placing and winning that her exclusion now has them all trying to point the finger of blame away from themselves or her. Most people who don't buy into Nova's story/personality will admit that she had the body, the catwalk and the stage projection to make the cut. Her prelim gown didn't hurt her. Her hypocrisy did. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:14:18 05/22/21 Sat She was just too unrelatable. From the BLESSED BY GOD arrival outfit, to fighting with MUO's biggest fan base, to the pure victimization. MUO can't sell that. Zozi & Cheslie would speak and inspire. (NT) -- Nova was just simply an Angry Black Woman milking that angle (and others) and that's just not Miss Universe material, 19:28:21 05/22/21 Sat MUO needs to find new directors for Canada Universe. (NT) -- What a mess up north., 19:27:34 05/24/21 Mon

Subject: Result Miss Kentucky USA 2021
Author: paco [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:31:31 05/23/21 Sun Miss Kentucky USA 2021: Elle Smith 1RU: Veronica Chisholm : 2RU: Rebecca Cook 3RU: India Marks 4RU: Kristen Bach [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Elle reminds me of Samantha Neyland. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 00:43:51 05/23/21 Sun I really like the winner, but I was really hoping for Veronica. She would’ve never left my Top 5 for Miss USA, plus she’s a red headed bombshell 😉 (NT) -- Groove, 08:31:07 05/24/21 Mon

Subject: SHANDI FINNESSEY: TAKING RISKS IN PAGEANTS
Author: MU_Critic [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:31:26 05/19/21 Wed I came across this interview featuring Miss USA 2004, Shandi Finnessey. She recounts a huge risk nearing the end of her 2 minute preliminary interview at Miss USA when she represented the state of Missouri. (Click play. It will start at the right time.) For years we have always heard the importance of personality. However, do you think today's PC culture, platforms, and preaching have everyone sounding the same? Would you want to hear/see more humor and quirks on the pageant stage? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Only Shandi could get away with wearing a potato sack and still look good. I think this interview likely set her apart from the fake Latina robots of 2004. Wasn't this the same year, Venezuela missed the first cut in like 20 years? (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:58:12 05/20/21 Thu 2004 was Venezuela's first year of not making the cut since 1982. Oddly enough MU 1982 and MU 2004 were both held in South America (Peru and Ecuador). (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 12:06:02 05/20/21 Thu And Venezuela's exclusion in 2004 came in coincidental succession to India's exclusion in 2003 and USA's exclusion in 2002. Of Shauntay Hinton, Nikita Anand and Ana Karina Anez, Nikita was clearly the weakest but many felt this was a conspiracy on MUO's part to show the world that the powerhouses weren't immune to their "fair" pageant. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:26:56 05/20/21 Thu I would love to see more humor in pageants and in pageant comments. This PC culture has really done away with it and now everyone either on or off stage is so serious. This is why I fell in love with France 2019 (Maeva Coucke) who, during her victim impact statement, decided to use the opportunity to make a witty quip about how she has a twin sister who could fill in for her if she ever needed a break from being Miss Universe. It was such a refreshing statement compared to the preaching and SJW bile we were showered with from others. I don't care if she wiped out during prelim SS or if we saw her panties in EG that year, I wanted her to win purely on her light-hearted, fun, and witty personality. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:29:42 05/20/21 Thu I donâ€™t find humor to be very elegant or sophisticated. Miss USA and Miss Universe needs to be fierce and taken seriously. (NT) -- PB, 11:54:29 05/23/21 Sun thank you (NT) -- t, 14:15:06 05/21/21 Fri Unpopular opinion but I never got the hype with Shandi -- I know sue me, 10:47:46 05/22/21 Sat Shandi had the blessing of a million dollar swan makeover. She got everything done and surprisingly it all still looks good today. Shandi also had the blessing of competing in a somewhat competitive year but was pegged to win post preliminary. She also had the blessing of competing after years of horrible miss usa winners and competition for Miss Universe. (NT) -- Original Rican, 11:36:45 05/22/21 Sat I never gor the Shandi hype either. Sure, she's witty and fun but even after the makeover, she was very plain Jane to me. (NT) -- Lee, 18:56:32 05/22/21 Sat I preferred Shandi at MUSA 2004 way more than at MU. However, Rican is right in that her facial surgery and styling make-over (post Miss America) was one of the greatest we have seen in US pageantry. Her contestant Fadils at both pageants were also in a league of their own compared to the other contestants. CLICK INSIDE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- MU_Critic, 19:22:39 05/22/21 Sat Lord have mercy that miss Universe head shot was incredible. The irony is that while nearly all miss usas take a major decrease in miss Universe from arrival to preliminary, Shandi showed up miss Universe ready. Even in her candids she was incredible. 2004 was a competitive year but jhawk had the crown in her hand. (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:09:06 05/22/21 Sat Shandi Finnessey owes her Miss USA win and MU 1st RU finish to her plastic surgeon, dermatologist, and dentist. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 19:34:19 05/22/21 Sat Be sure to send her this message on her birthday! lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:42:44 05/22/21 Sat If I were the plastic surgeon or dermatologist or dentist that was responsible for that transformation, heck I'd try to get a testimonial to drum up new clients LOL. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 19:51:46 05/22/21 Sat It's almost like they all signed a NDA. She nor them have never said anything. The most Shandi will acknowledge is that she stepped up her game for Miss usa. (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:11:18 05/22/21 Sat Shandi Finnessey can deny her Swan Extreme Makeover all she wants but the before and after photos/videos are still floating around cyberspace. The internet doesn't lie and it's forever. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 01:49:01 05/23/21 Sun

Subject: will a non sash country ever win
Author: s [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:41:08 05/18/21 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yes. An attractive non-sash Sista could do this after a few years of non-Black winners. Otherwise there would have to be a huge financial or marketing benefit for the org. tp crown a non-sash white or Asian. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 23:44:57 05/18/21 Tue YES! The girl really needs to be top-notch though, to fend off the sash countries. I think HAITI almost pulled it off in the 2016/2017 pageant, and though Leila's win seems a lifetime ago, it can happen again. (NT) -- annie55, 00:11:16 05/19/21 Wed Many of us wonder if Leila would have won had the pageant been held outside Brazil. I thought she outdid everyone else in EG but her SS was weak and the answers by the entire Top 5 were weak as well. I find her facially prettier than all the IMG era winners but I don't think her win is as fluky as we believe it to be. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 00:16:56 05/19/21 Wed I think she would have won. I had Leila predicted the moment I saw a photo of her. She was stunning. My personal favorite was Ukraine for the crown but Leila was just as stunning. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 19:45:16 05/22/21 Sat She has got to have it together. SA was relatively a non-sash country for a while. (NT) -- Things changed when they infused hungry forces like Werner Wessels (who trained Melinda Bam)., 01:43:12 05/19/21 Wed It’s unfortunate but it may take a long time. Angola is the LAST country to win it’s first title and it’s 10 years ago. Only Myanmar places for the first time this year even though Romania, Cameroon sent stellar ladies. Maybe Cameroon messed up on interview but Romania! She, Nepal, and South Africa deserved to be in the semis. At least I find it more refreshing and interesting to hear the first two countries called rather than the same countries year after year.... (NT) -- Samuel, 19:08:04 05/21/21 Fri This is most likely why Julia Morley has a Top 40 in her pageant -- to appease both the random countries and the powerhouses that could potentially serve as host in future years. MUO is currently in a position where they have too many powerhouses to appease and unfortunately, stunners from random countries are left clapping. I don't know what the resolution to this should be. As it easy as it is to say, let the pageant be fair and square, an already financially suffering MUO would take an even bigger hit. Alternatively, I wouldn't want them to start adding more semifinalists to the show, as 21 is already too many in my opinion. It's a catch 22 but however we slice it, the pageants are predictable. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 04:05:23 05/22/21 Sat I agree, 21 is way too many. That's really not even that much of an achievement to be in the 21 out of 75. If they add any more, pretty soon stagehands and audience members will be donning swimsuits and tippy tops and parading around onstage. (NT) -- No Name, 13:57:59 05/22/21 Sat Some of the queens in the audience already show up sporting tiaras, sequined blazers and tippy tops. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:17:59 05/22/21 Sat Well then, there you go. They are already dressed, lol (NT) -- No Name, 21:04:19 05/22/21 Sat I just knew Brian J was going to sport an original miss Universe crown. But the feminine earrings he wears was enough. I'm all for men being inclusive but lord have mercy, the Thai and Filipino queens are disgusting. They are more feminine and wueenly than the queen's on stage. Hell they are more queen than rupaul drag race. Do the queen's in these countries have anything else to do in life? It seems like they just travel from one pageant to another? (NT) -- Original Rican, 22:16:27 05/22/21 Sat CLICK IN FOR VIDEO......I'm hoping one day we're going to get a non-sash top 15 like the one in this video. But I highly doubt this will ever happen with all the politics that goes into determining who makes the cut -- Cali_Dude, 21:15:03 05/22/21 Sat That’s being too hopeful, even though the non sash countries brought it this year, only Myanmar places for the first time! The other country breaking a long drought is Nicaragua and they last placed in 2013!! That’s not considered a very long time considering many countries have never placed before. (NT) -- Samuel, 22:16:38 05/22/21 Sat Honduras has the longest placement drought thus far having placed once in 1955. I don't care if they send a cockser spaniel in a sash, just throw them a bone and end the insanity! lol But we have had some non sash countries make the cut in the last few years. 2019: Iceland, Peru, Albania, Croatia, Nigeria, Portugal. 2018: Costa Rica, Nepal, Belgium, Great Britain, Hungary, Ireland, Poland. 2017: China, Croatia, Ghana, Great Britain, Ireland, Sri Lanka. You see, I hated the regional system as it was unfair and yet we saw loads more diversity among the non sash countries than we do when it isn't in place (this year). The problem MUO has is appreciating the stunners from non sash countries, as for some reason, they get the short-end of the stick even when the regional format is in place. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:56:55 05/22/21 Sat @ Cali Dude: Someone needs to transfer this video to DVD and bury it in a time capsule for the next inhabitants on Earth to hear Bahamas and US Virgins Islands called into the same Top 15. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 00:24:23 05/23/21 Sun

Subject: Former Miss Universe Denise Quinones resigns
Author: WilliamNYC [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:44:06 05/21/21 Fri Denise Quinones has resigned and will no longer be the National Director of Miss Universe Puerto Rico. Denise did a great job. Denise passion is really with in the performing arts than the beauty pageant world. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Did she only do 2 years or 1 year? I agree, there is no need to force anyone to do what they do not like. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi)., 23:18:59 05/21/21 Fri She did 3 years (2018-2020). Her protoges were: Kiara Ortega (Top 5), Madison Anderson (1st RU), and Estafania Soto (Top 10). Her short tenure matches Sushmita Sen's albeit Quinones achieved much greater success. Still, it's shocking. One wonders if she expected a winner by now and lost the drive to continue. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 00:08:47 05/22/21 Sat That is not bad at all in comparison to others. I thought she only did 2 years. Madison's final position was a huge gratitude gesture towards Telemundo (and also Nuyorican milieux) after they decided to be back... as well as the 2nd ru for Mexico. For people that dream of a blond MU, imagine waiting for so many years since 2004 and then Madison wins LOL. Let's put it mildly, this isn't what JHawk's fans would expect. Kiara's top 5 is fine by me but I would have put her top 10 at the highest. And as you know, I would not have put Estefanía in top 21. But she is a smart lady that projects well, just probably not the best choice for this pageant in terms of outer beauty. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:21:59 05/22/21 Sat Agree 100%. I mentioned in my reply to Samuel that my feeling is Shugart decided to drastically increase her franchise fee now that her 3 year term is up for renewal and this is why Denise walked away. This would come as a huge blow to MUO because whoever decides to take over the MPRU franchise now has leverage not to pay up the higher asking fee since MUO is probably desperate for ANYONE to take up the franchise. This means the cost will be lower again. The question now remains as to who will swoop in and sign on the dotted line. The trend now formers turning into directors, so we shall see. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 03:55:13 05/22/21 Sat I vote for Migalies or Lupita 😂 (NT) -- Original Rican, 12:35:09 05/22/21 Sat I would love Magali to come back with a bottle of pepper spray and crocodile tears. lol A part of me thinks MUO will be desperate enough to ask Zuleyka but we know she isn't a girl's girl and would probably murder any candidate who looks better than her. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:10:33 05/22/21 Sat Wow.. that is surprising. I wonder why? All the delegates she trained placed top 10 or above. She should continue leading the organization. (NT) -- Samuel, 23:31:42 05/21/21 Fri Her contract was 3 years and based on the success her delegates achieved, you better believe Paula came back with a much higher franchise fee for the renewal contract. I don't blame Denise for slamming the door shut on Shugart. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 03:51:27 05/22/21 Sat The directorships seem counterproductive. You want to have a winner or a finalist, but if you do, you are penalized with a higher franchise fee. If you really just want to stay involved and have your little pageant, you would be better off just picking clappers and making sure you have plenty of lotion on hand to soothe their burning little hands. (NT) -- No Name, 13:52:00 05/22/21 Sat You just summed up why being a pageant director/franchise owner with MUO is a total waste of money. The pay-to-play scheme is nothing more than a lottery where higher fees = a higher probability of placing/winning but the prize at the end of the day ends up costing the winning director more. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:09:14 05/22/21 Sat Most directorships are actually held by the financial backer (Venevision in Venezuela, WAPA in Puerto Rico, and some gay-run supplement brand in the Philippines). MUO just likes having a former in the figurative role as a the Director. Do we know if WAPA TV still actually holds the franchise and Denise is just resigning as MUO's puppet? (NT) -- Maybe Denise didn't like that the organization she served and wants to serve just sees her as another cash cow, 19:14:04 05/22/21 Sat In that case, WAPA could wrangle in Dayanara if she's willing to play the role of director. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:15:58 05/22/21 Sat

Subject: Miss Grand 2021 will be on October this year. Sources say we might see the OG Miss El Tocuyo Mariam Habach competes. But seriously, production wise this pageant suddenly became the best pageant in the Universe. Agree?
Author: KiwiGuy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:04:24 05/21/21 Fri Last edited by author: Fri May 21, 2021 09:06:32 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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For the most part the women that compete at this pageant would not do well at Universe. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 09:12:16 05/21/21 Fri Stage-wise yes. But for the most part, the quality of contestants is still not at par with the world's top 3 pageants. I think even Miss Supra still has better overall quality of girls than this. But I'd give them 5 years, the popular it becomes, I bet the quality will also follow. (NT) -- supragirl, 13:42:06 05/21/21 Fri I've seen few snippets of supra in YOutube and thought their staging is quite beautiful. I just dno't like that they don't pay royalties to play the original music. (NT) -- The music they use are current but they let a Polish singer sing it rather than just play the goddamn CD!, 00:24:55 05/22/21 Sat Oh yeah. Mariam Habach Santucci is fierce as hell, and great looking! And a more over the top pageant like this one is a great idea! Not to mention that even more queens would tone in. Heck, I will be much more interested myself. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:30:42 05/22/21 Sat = tune in. Bring El Tocuyo back! (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:31:45 05/22/21 Sat Habach already stated that she wont compete in any pageant again, we shall wait who is Miss Grand Venezuela 2021, some wishlist are Miss Miranda last year and Miss Amazonas couple years back, i dont remember both names lol (NT) -- But maybe it could be sibling of MGI winner last year, Valentina's twin sister., 01:46:58 05/22/21 Sat

Subject: Miss World Universe 2020
Author: Basketball_Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:06:20 05/17/21 Mon In the last 15 years (2006-now), there have been 15 delegates that have made the cut @ both MW and MU. Andrea Meza Julia Gama Maeva Coucke Catriona Gray Yaritza Reyes Olivia Jordan Patricia Rodríguez Nicole Flint Yendi Phillips Tatum Keshwar Chloe Mortaud Ada Aimée de la Cruz Tansey Coetzee Micaela Reis Kenisha Thom If this was the Top 15 of a Miss World Universe 2020 competition, who would be your winner and four runner ups? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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WINNER: Micaela Reis (Angola). 1st RU: Patricia Rodriguez (Spain). 2nd RU: Maeva Coucke (France). 3rd RU: Catriona Gray (Philippines). 4th RU: Olivia Jordan (USA). The Carnival Cruise Award would go to Ada Aimee de la "Cruz". lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 00:13:08 05/17/21 Mon Catriona would still win. She may be too much for some here, but that woman is prepared. I think she gets involved with every single detail of her competition ammunition and is actually creative enough to build some wow factor. (NT) -- Ada would be my 1st ru, 00:34:47 05/17/21 Mon I think Catriona would win. She was someone who was overprepared but at least it came out natural and was actually her. Now all the girls are trying to copy her formula but it's lost it's authenticity. (NT) -- HCF, 01:09:13 05/17/21 Mon To be fair, Thailand and to a lessor extent Philippines and Indonesia are copying Cat. But this is nothing. The worst copying was the Shandi gown at usa state competitions. Like cat, Shandi is the only girl who could wear that type of gown. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:38:05 05/18/21 Tue Hands down, Catriona would still win. This woman was focused as heck! (NT) -- Determined, 20:29:40 05/17/21 Mon Winner: Micaela Reis, 1stRU Aimee de la Cruz, 2ndRU Maeva Coucke, 3rdRU Catriona Gray, 4thRU Nicole Flint. (NT) -- PurdueQueen, 22:14:14 05/21/21 Fri

Subject: Telemundo's IMPACT to Miss Universe
Author: Gul Bangag [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:32:10 05/19/21 Wed Intriguing Commentaries about Telemundo's influence in the result of 69th edition Miss Universe. (Some even commented that it is not Miss Universe anymore but Miss Telemundo-Hahaha) Let us see the HISTORY: In 2019 to Present Telemundo RESUMES partnership with MUOrg, RESULT: 2020- 4/5 Latina in Top 5. (Winner-Mexico) 2019- 3/5 Latina in Top 5 and 2/3 Latina in Top 3. (Winner-South Africa) From 2015 to 2018 Azteca América had Partnership with MUOrg (Telemundo dropped MUOrg because of Trump racist comments against Latino Community): 2018 -2/5 Latina in Top 5 and 1/3 Latina in Top 3. (Winner-Philippines) 2017 -2/5 Latina in Top 5 and 1/3 Latina in Top 3. (Winner-South Africa) 2016 -2/6 Latina in Top 6 and 1/3 Latina in Top 3. (Winner-France) 2015 -1/5 Latina in Top 5 and 1/3 Latina in Top 3. (Winner-Philippines) 2004 to 2014 Telemundo's Partnership with MUOrg: 2014- 1/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- Colombia) 2013 -3/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- Venezuela) 2012 -2/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- USA) 2011 -1/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- Angola) 2010 -1/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- Mexico) 2009- 3/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- Venezuela) 2008- 4/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- Venezuela) 2007- 2/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- Japan) 2006- 2/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- Puerto Rico) 2005- 4/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- Canada) 2004- 2/5 Latina in Top 5 (Winner- Australia) 2003 and Earlier - No broadcast from TELEMUNDO. INTERPRETATION OF AVAILABLE DATA: In 2004 to 2014/ 2019 to 2020 with Telemundo's Boradcast: 7/13 Winners are Latinas and 6/13 Years LATINA dominated the Top 5. In 2015 to 2018 with Azteca América's broadcast: 0/4 Winner-Latina and 0/4 Latina dominated Top 5. CONCLUSION: In DEED there is Influence and Preference of Latinas during TELEMUNDO's partnership in Miss Universe. P.S.: Will there be another Latina in 70th Edition? There is a good chance YES. Latina had 3 straight years as Ms.U in 2008 to 2010 and back to back Latina in 2013 to 2014. WHAT DO YOU THINK GUYS? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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We've all been saying the exact same thing for years on this forum. But Pia's win can be viewed as just as rigged as Andrea's. It's all business. Certain fans get into an uproar when they aren't the target demographic anymore but when they are, they compliment MUO and Paula. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:38:13 05/19/21 Wed I struggle with Pia win. I think she won fairly, she is a classic case of a winner being won from the chest up her fake boobs were bouncing everywhere in ss. I think we still had male judges then, I doubt Pia would win under all female. But we cannot deny the top 3 that year were all strong. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:08:11 05/20/21 Thu My issue with her 'win' was that was the first and ONLY year where there was a record low number of 4 actual judges. Fans (mostly Pinoys) were allowed to vote in real-time during SS and EG and they served as 5th judge. I managed to be able to participate while many others complained of being blocked from this online voting process and I noticed Pia got average scores of 9's from the "fans" while others received 1 and 2's. The clappers were also allowed to cast their vote between the Top 3. Colombia had just won the year before and USA the year before that. Who do you think they'd vote for? (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:23:08 05/20/21 Thu USA won the year before the year before. But I completely agree with you. Pia did well but the voting system that year was clearly rigged to favor her to win. I mentioned it on YouTube before but many Pinoys attacked me for saying that. Had there been more judges and no fan vote that year, I think the results would be a lot more fair and non-controversial. Thank goodness MUO removes the fifth judge vote in 2016’s pageant! (NT) -- Samuel, 19:13:33 05/21/21 Fri I am pretty sure 2003 was the first year of the Telemundo deal. I consider 2003-2014 to be the Trump NBC Telemundo era which as we all know was heavily focused on Latin America. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 12:03:59 05/20/21 Thu Indeed and this is why Susie Castillo miraculously won MUSA 2003 despite being overshadowed in the looks department by several others that year. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:23:48 05/20/21 Thu Someone should have told Susie that cotton candy horror was not a gown. What was her final night gown? (NT) -- Original Rican, 22:10:44 05/20/21 Thu Her finale gown was the same cotton candy confectionary nightmare. Talk about a wasted opportunity. Even NOB's mother of the bride look would have been more competitive. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:17:15 05/20/21 Thu 2003 is one of my fave evening competitions to rewatch but I fastforward thru Susie’s bit. Her overall presentation was such an eyesore. Pretty sure she place dead last that round. -- Your mom, 20:45:49 05/21/21 Fri

Subject: are Shandi and Suzi still coaching together
Author: s [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:14:25 05/19/21 Wed I saw a review Shandi did on your tube but she said nothing about Suzy or coaching anyone [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Shandi moved to Tennessee and Susie is doing Lifetime movies. (NT) -- KB, 01:36:47 05/19/21 Wed They are not. They announced the end of Pageantology on their website at the end of 2020. I always really liked them and their review videos. I'm not sure what happened. Aside from Shandi moving to Tennessee, it seems like there is no connection between them anymore, which makes me sad. -- Heave Starvy, 14:20:07 05/19/21 Wed Maybetheir politics finally did them in. Such an interesting pairing as Shandi is a die hard flyover Trumper and Susie is your typical woke urban Democrat. (NT) -- Or they saw the writing on the wall that all Miss USA hopefuls will focus on Miss Academy for their primary preparation, or at least to get in Crystle's good graces, 14:52:19 05/19/21 Wed It was speculated that Shandi's pro-Bush/pro-Iraq views kept her from winning Miss Universe as MUO allegedly did not want to deal with the security risk of a vocal Republican American Miss Universe travelling overseas. (NT) -- Maybe its me but I also get low key racist vibes from Shandi., 15:55:17 05/19/21 Wed I got low-key racist (or at least insensitive) vibes from Shandi, too. She had strong opinions about the regional selection format at Miss U (aligning it with affirmative action), and she's in general a very old-school pageant approach and really loved tradition (keeping all swimsuits identical to judge bodies). It was a little creepy. (NT) -- I much prefer Siera Berchell and Dani Walker's YouTube videos!, 17:36:33 05/19/21 Wed i'd have to agree on shandi; i wasn't a huge fan of her very biased opinions during miss universe 2011 and i can't for the life of me wrap my head around her first runner up finish in 2004. i gave her top 10 max then (NT) -- dink, 18:19:52 05/19/21 Wed Shandi deserved her win (NT) -- k, 18:41:50 05/19/21 Wed Dani Walker's the best. Sierra is one big Filipino-pandering phony who pimps her baby and blonde brother to thirsty Filipino pageant queens. Can't even watch them anymore. Dani gives GREAT, REAL AND CONSTRUCTIVE insight unlike the petty judgmental comments Shandi & Susie made to highlight how great they were as pageant contestants, or Nia Sanchez's clickbait fluff so she can bait and switch you to buy her services. (NT) -- Dani's are also the right length. Not too short like Nia's or drunken rambling tirades like Shandi and Susie's, 18:55:21 05/19/21 Wed I don't care for Dani Walker in the least bit. Shandi was overrated as a contestant herself (so was Suzie) but she's ok as a commentator. (NT) -- I don't think she's "racist", that's BS., 19:05:16 05/19/21 Wed I don't think Shandi is racist she is just very republican. Same as Asya. Truth be told most miss america girls are Republicans. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:35:57 05/19/21 Wed Also, what's wrong with Dani. She gives a lot of insight that former MUO queens don't for one reason or another. She expresses preferences and real-talk diplomatically without throwing shade. She's supportive of contestants and fans. Yes she's selling herself but she beats Sierra or Nia or Shando/Susie any day. (NT) -- My partner hates her voice though so I have to watch her videos with airpods LOL, 21:21:29 05/19/21 Wed I really like Dani’s reviews, but I kinda wish she would stop speaking so bubbly and dramatically. Just talk! Can you imagine what she sounded like in an interview? (NT) -- Pixie, 23:33:13 05/19/21 Wed I used to have respect for the sovereign. However, she posted a allegedly live video where she somehow thought Philippines did not make the cut and literally went into a hissy fit crying. This was the most fakest ploy to kiss these queens asses. Lord. Sierra needs to disappear. I can't figure her out. What is up with her prostituting her brother? Is he gay and she is using him for for views? Must be like Brian J putting duck faces on all his videos. Lord take me back to 2002 when it was just American Beauty. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:34:38 05/19/21 Wed Rican: maybe years ago, but it's been my experience that most pageant girls of the last few years are (NT) -- Democrats., 20:27:21 05/19/21 Wed Before the Miss America pageant of 1984 (presidential year), the participants were polled and 48/51 were for Ronald Reagan. (NT) -- that was then, 20:30:38 05/19/21 Wed I said miss america girls are overwhelming Republican. The most vile of them all is Erika Harold,. I'm not sure about miss usa girls I think most try to be neutral at least while competing. (NT) -- Original Rican, 21:02:39 05/19/21 Wed Don't agree with that either. I think most Miss America girls are Democrats. (NT) -- complete with BLM black squares on their IG pages., 12:16:51 05/20/21 Thu I don't think she's racist, she's just a Republican. Only woke millenial simpletons think all Republicans are racists. They're annoying and wrong more than they'd like to admit, and that sounds like her to a T!!! (NT) -- Arrogant even when wrong, 21:18:14 05/19/21 Wed Only Republican simpletons think they are not racists. (NT) -- You don't need to be "woke" to see it., 09:01:29 05/21/21 Fri The only 2 pageant personalities I tune into on YouTube are Shandi and Dani for the reason that they don't come across as: 1) clowns; and 2) pandering to specific hyper-sensitive demographics. They tell it like it is (Shandi more unapologetically than Dani), which I find nostaligic since this is how pageant commentary used to be in the gold old days. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:34:19 05/19/21 Wed https://youtu.be/RISNAMvCqkc (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:16:55 05/20/21 Thu Like Brian Javier, "The Sovereign" is one of the clowns I can't stand. Not only does she present herself like a clown but she is clearly pandering to the Pinoys due to her own mistake in hopes they would give her video a thumbs up. These types of dramatics are so cringe. I have never once cried due to a pageant and never will. And sadly, this is the ilk that attends pageants in droves nowadays, which is what deters me from ever attending myself. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:13:15 05/20/21 Thu Lol @ clown. She really is a clown. It's funny because her older videos are relatable and neutral but all she cares about is the queen's. But that video was ridiculous. I have never cried but I was emotionally scared when Rachel fell in 2007. I literally had nightmares afterwards. (NT) -- Original Rican, 22:09:10 05/20/21 Thu The queens are sadly taking over and while pageants are open to everyone to enjoy, it makes it more difficult for me to appreciate when you have these cartoon-like characters acting like they are God's gift to the planet talking gibberish, getting highly emotional over nothing and dressing like they don't own mirrors. The only nightmare I ever had was when Cecilia Bolocco won in 1987 looking like the fifth castmate on The Golden Girls. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:20:16 05/20/21 Thu What are your thoughts on this video by the sovereign? Watch at the 10 minute mark on her reaction to the so called exclusion of Rabiya. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:38:19 05/20/21 Thu I can't believe I actually watched this. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:24:08 05/20/21 Thu Well, I like pageants just as much as the next person, but I have also never cried at the outcome. Even when I had something at stake. The way I look at it, I never involve myself in any activity that when disappointments happen (and they will) it can't be remedied by a 5th of vodka. Heck, why even wait for the disappointment? Vodka works for both occasions! (NT) -- No Name, 23:03:13 05/20/21 Thu Dani is outstanding. I think Shandi might have her hands full with three little ones. (NT) -- Just a guess., 12:13:11 05/20/21 Thu

Subject: Miss Universe 2020: The one that annoyed you.
Author: Yours? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:58:34 05/20/21 Thu Argentina [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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We know about Canada and Philippines. (NT) -- Anyone else?, 14:02:15 05/20/21 Thu Russia and Bulgaria. (NT) -- My Take, 15:38:30 05/20/21 Thu It is obvious that Canada and Philippines rubbed many people the wrong way. Canada was clearly judged too difficult to work with and I have not seen a more clear exclusion since IMG took it over, especially since she was clearly top notch, top 3 in prelims.. even Mariam Habach was more a top 5er, top10er in a great prelims performance too. Had it not been for Filipino sponsors, Rabiya would have been fully excluded. Both girls came off very fake. To her credit, Rabiya was easily top 10 in prelim SS... but the childish meltdowns sealed the deal. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 16:11:07 05/20/21 Thu Dominican Republic. She was way too much. She seemed so patty throughout the whole pageant. I was relieved when she was called as 4th RU. (NT) -- Heave Starvy, 20:46:06 05/20/21 Thu CANADA and PHILIPPINES hands down! But if we are to exclude them for being obvious choices, I'll go with AUSTRALIA and INDIA. While it was refreshing to see two Indo delegates make the Top 10 for the first time since 2002, the 4 foot Australian was in victim impact statement mode 24/7 from the moment she landed. Hearing an affluent young girl preach to the masses about equality, poverty and racism is one of the most alienating things ever. As for India, as soon as she was in front of the mic she went into default philosophical mode in trying to sound eloquent without delivering any substance. She didn't even answer her FQ. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:07:55 05/20/21 Thu GRACIE HART! I watched then vip videos and she already kissing ass with daddy's millions. (NT) -- Original Rican, 22:12:05 05/20/21 Thu I heard she stuffed $100 bill down Brian Javier's pearl studded blazer pocket and told him to go find a stylist. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:16:19 05/20/21 Thu Lol I am sure the American queens will soon start kissing her ass to get in her circle. Brian wears the most gaudy earrings. To his credit though, he is the only American blogger who does consistent coverage outside of the sovereign that is not in the muo network. (NT) -- Original Rican, 08:03:43 05/21/21 Fri With Crystle Stewart being from Texas I'm pretty sure she knows about Gracie Hunt's family and their billions. The bigger question is does Crystle want to deal with Gracie and her family for a year? (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 23:40:37 05/20/21 Thu As well-connected and financially sound as Crystle is, Gracie and her family would be self-reliant financial when it comes to whatever she wants. If she wants to rent the Declaration of Independence as part of her national costume, done. If she wants a custom Elie Saab haute couture gown for EG, done! And on top of all that, Gracie will most likely allow Crystle to network with contacts from the Hunt personal rolodex. Finally, based on the current class of 2021, Gracie has a great chance of winning since she doesn't have a lot of competition in the looks department. This weekend could provide some foils so we'll wait and see. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:58:51 05/20/21 Thu USA. It was obviously a token placement. The girl was insufferable to watch. Her efforts were dismal. -- SharpEyes143, 23:36:56 05/20/21 Thu

Subject: Brazil Medalists @ MU
Author: Basketball_Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:33:47 05/18/21 Tue With Brazil having made the cut at MU for 10 consecutive years now, let's look back at Brazil's results in the medal round. 1954: Martha Rocha - 1st RU 1957: Teresinha Morango - 1st RU 1958: Adalgisa Colombo - 1st RU 1963: Ieda Vargas - Miss Universe 1968: Martha Vasconcellos - Miss Universe 1972: Rejane Vieira da Costa- 1st RU 2007: Natalia Guimaraes - 1st RU 2011: Priscila Machado - 2nd RU 2020: Julia Gama - 1st RU For a good part of MU's history Brazil was the Latin American powerhouse. Despite the current 10 year streak, Brazil has finished in the medal round only two of those 10 years. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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1986's Miss Brazil was totally robbed of a top five placement. (NT) -- Don't get me started...., 21:12:24 05/18/21 Tue 2012? (NT) -- Best, 21:15:12 05/18/21 Tue Sorry. Looks like you’re only doing 2nd ru and above. There was also 2013. (NT) -- Best, 21:20:09 05/18/21 Tue Aaahh sorry. “Medalists”. Got it now. Carry on. I was wondering how you missed the others. (NT) -- Best, 21:22:14 05/18/21 Tue The language is responsible why it hasn't won since 2003 (under the Telemundo era). Most Miss Brazil winners speak Spanish, though their fluency is discutable. Let's be honest, its huge franchise fee guarantees it does well the time, but a lesser marketability in the US, especially to a Telemundo audience make them much less likely to win. Make no mistake, Brazil is NOT like Thailand or Indonesia and its only way to win is if they have an Oxana like delegate that will dominate all competition. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:21:04 05/18/21 Tue I'm starting to believe that Indonesia is not even in the same category as Thailand and never will be in the eyes of MUO. As a Muslim majority country, MW caters to them now that Julia has ditched the Beach Beauty round. Their highest achievement at MW was back-to-back 2nd RU placements in 2015 and 2016. The highest placement Indonesia has experienced at MU was last year and it was only a Top 10. I do not see Indonesia hosting MU (with a swimsuit round) ever and a hypothetical victory would be met with fatwas and gunfire upon homecoming. The Indonesian MU director is foolish to pay such high franchise fees. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:55:19 05/18/21 Tue Though you need to take into account that Indonesia is quite a diverse country. As example, Bali where most tourists go and where MW was organized, is mostly Hindu (over 80%). There are also provinces of Indonesia that are mostly Christian. Honestly, I do not even know if Paula or anyone in the NYC office is aware of these nuances nor of Indonesia's Muslim extremist groups. The point is that Indonesia pays a huge fee and that it continues to grow every year. I noticed many of their past MU or MW reps are actually Christian, so I do not think Islam is that much of an issue when it comes to a MU triumph. And actually, I am surprised that up to now, there was no Muslim MU, the Lebanese winner was Christian and Sushmita even if she speaks Bengali as first language... is actually a Hindu. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 00:13:08 05/19/21 Wed I'm sure the six figure franchise fees are much appreciated by MUO/IMG but even these are paltry compared to a country's hosting fees. A host country shells out 100x more than the highest annual franchise fee. And as diverse as parts of Indonesia may be, it is still known as a Muslim majority country. I don't see them playing host to MU anytime soon -- especially if SS is involved and if Miss Indonesia doesn't win. lol I do, however, see them possibly opening their doors to Julia and her bikiniless variety show because this would be seen as more conservative and tolerable but I'm sure she still has nightmares of Nigeria as host back in 2002. Ariska Putri Pertiwi's win at MGI in 2016 hasn't let to Indonesia hosting MGI either. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 00:40:23 05/19/21 Wed Indonesia hosted MW in 2013 when it was moved from Jakarta to Bali due to religious reasons. I actually do not think hosting MU in Bali would be that problematic as bikini is common thing there even among Indonesians. I think the pageant would simply be less sexed up and more focused on "spirituality". (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 02:23:01 05/19/21 Wed Ah, I completely forgot about MW 2013, since I don't watch the pageant. But I think this explains why Indonesia does well at her pageant more so than MU. If Indonesia (Bali) chooses to host MU, the Mouawad is theirs. Sad things have boiled down to buying a crown nowadays. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 02:38:27 05/19/21 Wed Brazil is like a pageant enigma. Martha Vasconcellos is the only winner in MU history to not answer her FQ because she was too overwhelmed! She "won" over an eloquent, witty and stunning Curacao that year because half of Brazil was in attendance. I agree with the above poster who said Deise Nunes was robbed of a Top 5 placement. However, the biggest injustice was in 1993 when Leila Schuster steamrolled over everyone's faces in prelims but was inexplicably held back during the finals. 10 years later Gislaine Ferreira was the heavy favorite to win but poor styling and lack of energy killed her chances. Natalia Guimaraes placed too high in 2007 and we all know from 2011 onward, a deal was clearly struck. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:46:45 05/18/21 Tue In that 1972-2007 gap, the Brazil reps I felt were robbed of a medal were Celice Silva (I had her 2nd @ MU 1982 behind South Africa), Deise Nunes (I had her 2nd @ MU 1986 behind Venezuela), and Leila Schuster (who should've won MU 1993). I also liked Marta Jussara da Costa (3rd RU @ MU 1979), Adriana Alves de Oliviera (3rd RU @ MU 1981), and Gislaine Ferreira (Top 10 @ MU 2003) but they were scored correctly at their respective MUs. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 11:43:09 05/19/21 Wed What is your opinion as to why Brazil never achieved a victory within the 1972-2007 period? The ladies you mentioned were all strong. Leila had 'winner' written all over her. At times I feel Martha Vasconcellos's reign may have been traumatizing for the organization and the memory if it has lived on. We all know MUO tends to hold grudges. They didn't care for Natalie Glebova during her reign and we haven't seen Canada win since. They also had issues with Zuleyka and we haven't seen PR win since. It took 12 years for Venezuela to win after Alicia Machado's tumultuous reign in 1996 despite the country sending extremely strong reps within that timeframe. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:18:19 05/19/21 Wed It didn't occur to me that MUO might have a grudge against Brazil for Martha Vasconcellos. Also alot of the old powerhouses (Philippines, Brazil, Finland, Australia, Japan, Israel) lost their luster by the mid-1970s. Sweden was the exception as they remained competitive until the end of the 1980s, and to a lesser extent Germany as they remained competitive until the mid-1980s. Of course there was the rise of Venezuela starting in 1976, and their wins in 1979 and 1981 cemented them as the new MU powerhouse. Oddly enough it was 1979 and 1981 that were Brazil's last runner up finishes until 2007. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 01:40:27 05/20/21 Thu Something tells me that Venezuela's sudden success wasn't purely by chance and that much like Brazil in 2011, a deal was made around 1976. This doesn't take away from many of VZ's delegates, since quite a few of them were strong. However, I don't think their semifinal streak from 1983 to 2003 was based on merit and a pageant "powerhouse" country needs to essentially pay for this label. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:38:25 05/20/21 Thu 1976 was the year Venezuela nationalized their oil industry. Maybe there's a connection. See also Miracle of Chile and Economic Liberalization in India. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 23:51:08 05/20/21 Thu I think BRAZIL is due for a win. Julia Gama had the right styling and confidence onstage and I think she just barely missed on winning. (NT) -- annie55, 00:09:27 05/19/21 Wed Someone posted scores the other day. If the post was legit, I think Brazil was scoring the highest until Q&A, then Mexico must have taken over. (NT) -- Best, 09:58:56 05/19/21 Wed Aside from Deisee D'souza who was robbed period and Leila Schuster, other Miss Brazil's who were medal worthy were Adriana Oliveira in 81 (would've placed her higher than Canada) and Raissa Santana (who got cut too early). Priscila Machado shouldn't have even been in the top 5 and didn't care for Natalia Guimaraes, who were both the typical mature looking brunette clones that Brazil kept sending to MU during from 2004 to 2012 (NT) -- Cali_Dude, 11:56:29 05/19/21 Wed Brazil likes them older, bitchy looking queens yes. Julia Gama channeled Leila Schuster who actually looks like Julia today. Their reps in 2003 and 2016 were the ones most deserving of highest placements IMO, (NT) -- Brazilians have a lot of sex appeal in media so MUO is just capitalizing on it., 12:18:16 05/19/21 Wed Natalia Guimaraes, Priscila Machado, Gabriela Markus were all of that older bitchy looking prototype. (NT) -- Natalia Guimaraes was the worst. She looked rode hard and put away wet., 16:02:13 05/19/21 Wed Gislaine in 2003 was quite out of shape for a MU competition. To think that GB made her the fav to win it all. But I guess they were happy Brazil was back in semis after a break of 5 or 6 years. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 16:52:42 05/19/21 Wed Gislaine was a breath of fresh air because we finally saw a Miss Brazil who actually looked her age after a long time! lol I'm sure GB realized this was a rare occasion and so the hype commenced. But what she made up for in facial beauty she lost out on in low energy, washed out styling, and lack of physical toning. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:23:08 05/19/21 Wed I loved though that she was always using her first name only, a bit like Whulandary 10 years later. 😎 Are we going to have more girls with monomyns later as a way to create their brand? And yes, I remember GB was comparing her to omnipresent then Brazilian supermodels. She fell short, but I think she made pageantry in BR more trendy and it later crossed over into this decade. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 23:28:31 05/19/21 Wed LOL @ Whulandary! She thought she was Indonesia's Cher or Madonna. What a mess! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:33:08 05/20/21 Thu Whulandary's last name is Herman...I dunno, but it just doesn't roll off the tongue...Gislaine Ferreira...sounds very sexy. (NT) -- NSI, 03:58:22 05/21/21 Fri

Subject: Hawt's thoughts 2021.... Bébé oh là là!
Author: HawtPlusSeksi (nsi) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:32:02 05/17/21 Mon Babi Pies! I am thankful to be part of this community and thank everyone to emphasize all the goodness that happens in here, as part of Miss Universe and pageantry as a whole. Now, let's start with the Ruthie. 4th ru 🇳🇵 Anshika did extremely well, and I simply think the exclusion was due to continental factors. 3rd ru 🇻🇪 Mariangel did a similar performance to Molly Isler but it simply was not enough. Too safe and too overbaked. Osmel himself might have been needed. 2nd ru 🇷🇴 Bianca's exclusion is probably bothering people the most. She was excellent throughout her stay but that minor controversy made sure it turned against her. 1st ru 🇿🇦 I am not sure why the org. went for the vamp, sexualized Dita von Teese look in Florida. A huge mistake. Winner 🇨🇦 Nova's multiple contradictions made sure that she was the first favourite since Mariam Habach to have been excluded from semis, despite a great performance actually! But multiple lies throughout, Glebova's training and inability to connect with others made her the obvious Ruthie winner. And I am not one bit surprised, everyone would consider her too risquée for comfort. Top 21: 21st 🇵🇭 Rabiya's overbaked approach should have truly ended up in a non-finalist position, and she's sounded so childish. 20th 🇻🇳 Great catwalk skills. Fab facial beauty, should have ended up higher! 19th 🇬🇧 Jeanette delivered a good performance as a bookworm and entrepreneurship focused individual. 18th 🇫🇷 This lady should have finished much higher. By the way, this is the worst result for any top European girl ever. 17th 🇮🇩 This gurl is lovely and the country will do much better in future. 16th 🇦🇷 Alina did much better than expected due to Osmel vibe. But Lola de los Santos and last year's Uruguayan delegate were stronger. 15th 🇲🇲 Thuzar deserved a much higher position. If we started with EG, she would have done much better. 14th 🇨🇼 Chantal did deliver a great performance to end up as the 7th Curaçaoan in the semis. 13th 🇨🇴 Laura's high position leaves a lot to be desired. Most pundits think she was overscored. 11th= 🇺🇸 Not that much was expected from Asya, especially given the Sherri Hill's obligation, so top 12 spot is indeed a pleasant surprise. 11th= 🇳🇮 Ana's entrepreneurship credentials stood out among this panel and she is hot! ---- 10th 🇦🇺 This is a perfect result for this 5'2" trendsetter. 9th 🇯🇲 With a different panel, with more Black judges, she could have done better. She did well anyways and her modeling is fabulous. 8th 🇨🇷 A fabulous performance in SS and EG. Great job. This is hopefully the next host country. 7th 🇹🇭 Had it been elsewhere, Amanda would have been easily top 5, especially with her chill attitude and interview skills. But Thailand is due to win anyways, likely in the December/January 70th edition. 6th 🇵🇷 This girl was simply too old for comfort. And I am happy Zuleyka's votes did not make any difference. She could easily become a Mrs World in the future though! _________€ 4th ru 🇩🇴 This is the highest placed Black girl. Magali did some mistakes with the contestant gown being decorated with unusual charity oriented add-ons. I was happy this girl made top 5 as she underperformed a bit throughout her stay in Florida. 3rd 🇮🇳 Adeline is the strongest Asian girl for India for the first time in 19 years! A huge success. Many pundits quibble though that as the only anglo rep in top 5, she should have been able to provide better answers than the Latinas. 2nd 🇵🇪 Janick had a very polished performance, but is bit on a patty side. People quibble about her lack of personality or bad manners. Thus, I am happy she did not win the whole enchilada! 1st 🇧🇷 Given the fact that Brazil is not a Spanish speaking country, yet still has a huge franchise fee... I expect them to make semis again and again without winning. Julia performed extremely well without being a huge beauty. Miss Universe 🇲🇽 Had it been a fair competition, I would not have chosen Andrea. But she had a great SS and EG presentation and is the least "white" among all the Latina winners, as her physiognomy clearly shows a heavily Native American look. I fully accept her win, yet I am a bit surprised she was able to do it without a major, significant degree from university. Best of luck Mexico! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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A very detailed and well-written piece, Hawt! Although France wasn't my favorite this year, I agree she did very well in SS and I expected her to advance along with Myanmar and Nicaragua. Europe was basically decimated after SS. You called it from way back that the black African girls wouldn't get the call. I didn't think MUO would have the balls to do it but they certainly did. It's unfortunate that they exploit social movement and causes for business and certain fans lap it up. I'm sure this is why Nova must be in shell shock right now about having missed the cut since she probably felt MUO's stance on BLM from last year would have been enough to celebrate her platform and story this year with high placement. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:43:21 05/17/21 Mon RE: Mexico -- She's beautiful -- but I do not think she was at her most beautiful at this pageant. Her hair, gowns, and overall styling do not scream MU to me like past winners. But as someone pointed out, she has worked with difficult women like Lupita and Julia Morley, so she clearly must have the personality of a saint. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:43:29 05/17/21 Mon As for Africa, I thought Cameroon was perfect in semis, but unfortunately her English skills were below average, impacting her interview. As for Mexico, she was a compromise winner... not someone that I would have chosen but Julia and Lupita are so difficult to work with that I am happy her hard work led her to pageant successes like this. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 19:11:13 05/18/21 Tue Playing devil's advocate here: Why should prelim interview count so much if 11/21 are cut after SS anyway?! The only time we got to hear from those 11 was in their video packages, which are scripted and edited. My gut feeling tells me Cameroon's interview wasn't an issue. Her low franchise fee was and she also didn't have a story which MUO could exploit like some others. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:46:58 05/20/21 Thu France exclusion is shocking. Basketball fan, when is the last time France placed but did not make top 10? I think Asya went into miss universe like a 2 week free vacation from posting breakfast videos. She knew she wasn't going to win and knew she was making the initial cut which for the past 3 years has been our journey. Meg the intern likely had a huge say in who made the cut after spending hours on social media. Bianca doesn't need miss Universe, go to miss world. As much as I loathed Nova, I feel bad for her. There is no denying her body or gown, and I would have thought interview was strong. Something tells me Paula took her out because she was the stronger black girl and likely would have delivered over that dreadful performance Jamaica did. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:34:17 05/18/21 Tue I think MU org. certainly took out Nova, this is the most obvious example of it since IMG took over, even more obvious that Mariam Habach's, who also excelled in prelims. The reason is a different one than what you think, I think the org. would struggle with Nova and her antics and they saw it in the last 10 days. I think Nova approached this competition the wrong way and thought she could go through it with clichés... Natalie Glebova training her did not help because as much as Natalie can get you super prepared in SS, she is probably one of the least relatable Universe winners, everything about her seems contrived and Nova followed through with this approach. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 19:19:54 05/18/21 Tue Last time prior to 2020 where France made the cut but did not get past swimsuit was 2014. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 20:07:58 05/18/21 Tue Has this ranking been published by the MUO? (NT) -- Btw, Andrea has a degree in software engineering, from the University of Chihuahua., 08:07:59 05/18/21 Tue Andrea has a BA in Software Engineer. Also, part of her ancestry is Chinese - said by herself. (NT) -- What are you talking about?, 00:15:47 05/19/21 Wed

Subject: Original Rican's Hungover Expose' of Miss Universe 2020
Author: Original Rican [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:04:51 05/17/21 Mon First off, as much as I complained about FYI. This was an amazing production! FYI stepped up their game and actually had real commercials, perfect time for me to mute my tv and drink more lol. Without FOX, Miss Universe was able to be free and I appreciate it! The opening number was one of the best (if not the best) since Las Vegas 2010. Loved the dancing and the Sheri Hill trash looked good on stage. The opening turned to trash as soon as Olivia opened her mouth. Lord have mercy, this woman needs to go hide under a rock. She is the type of person who needs to shut up and sit and be pretty, and the pretty part is barely. Olivia is far from attractive and should not have won Miss Universe. Never bring this attention seeking trash back to Miss Universe. The top 21 were all expected. The only two surprises were Great Britain, she must have won over the judges and Myanmar, likely a Paula pick. I could have did without both. The fan vote is silly, wasnt it expected that Vietnam or Thailand would win? Trash! Its just another way for Paula to make more money for her pockets. And the Phillippines got screwed because she was making the cut anyway. My heart is broken for Cameroon. But this exclusion was expected, there was no reason for Paula to put her in and she looked petrified in interview. Africa got completely shut out, when was the last time this happened? Europe more or less got shut out, France was expected but Iceland should have been in there. Slap in the face to her and Romania. I am heartbroken that Singapore missed the cut but like Cameroon there was no reason for her to be in unless the country was pledging 500 million to host next year. Goodbye Nova!!! I am beyond shocked that Paula did not include her. While I personally do not care for Nova, her body and runway are top notch. My assumption is that the judges saw through her fakeness during interview. Though, something still does not make sense as I feel like she was strong enough to get in. Goodbye South Africa! One of the worst winners in recent years. Wait, she did not win in the first place. Their director did a last minute switch, enough said. Top 10 swimsuit: To be fair, Mexico looked great. Poor Asya, this is the third year in a row we have been cut at SS. Asya had no spark on stage and we all expected this outcome. As I have said many times, the asians eliminate themselves and it happened. Colombia looked even worse on tv. Goodbye Philippines: I feel bad for Rabiya but lord this girl has no stage presence. They should have taken her to the stage where Miss Universe 2016 was held and had her practice. She looked so uncomfortable in ss like she about to vomit at any moment. She had no business in the top 21 but her placement was bought. Evening Gown: OMG Puerto Rico looked 60 years old by this point. All I can think of is her being on QVC at 2am selling sheets for 19.99. Thailand made a huge mistake changing gowns. The spark that made Jamaica stand out in prelims was completely done in gown tonight. At this point, all I can think of is why Australia keeps appearing in videos and backstage interviews? She clearly was supposed to be top 5, everything was set for her. Top 5: Thankfully Puerto Rico got cut, I would have had alcohol poisoning had she made top 5. The top 5 were not great, not bad, I guess expected. I would have kept Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and Dominican Republic, but removed India! Goodbye India: Lets be clear, you cannot replicate Lara Dutta and if I recall this is the first time in a long time where they have reached this placement? This is as pathetic as Thailand trying to replicate Catriona gowns. I could have did without India in the top 5, she was a hot mess! Dominican Republic rose to the occasion but suffered the same fate as Carolina Indriago. I think had she spoke english she would have did better. She seemed a little unsure of herself. Alas, she was the most beautiful in the top 5. Brazil, ah, I could do without her. She has been on some lists. But she did answer her questions very well. Brazil will win soon. Peru: She reminded me too much of Indiana USA 2020! This is not a good thing. Something about her seemed ingenuine. If I recall, it was reported she had an attitude problem all week. Mexico wins Miss Universe: This was expected, right? We all knew a latina was going to win and to be fair, Mexico was the most consistent and is easy on the eyes. She just won herself a 6 month stay doing absolutely nothing but what you ate for breakfast videos in NYC. Enjoy! Welcome Zozi!!!! If anyone owned the night it was Zozi! She looked incredible and had the most screentime than any outgoing Miss Universe I can think of to date. Implications for Miss Universe 2021: 1. Fire Olivia Culpo, knowing Steve Harvey is back, I cannot deal with too bobbleheads. Bring Paulina and Cheslie back! 2. Fire Sheri Hill trash! Just because... 3. Whoever the new Miss USA should come to Miss Universe prepared under the director! I hope Crystle brings back our want and desire to compete at Miss Universe! 4. Fire Paula Shuggart! Its time... Thats all folks. Miss Universe 2020 is a wrap!!! It has been a fun year. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I saw the Telemundo version and the hosts upped the energy level by 1000. Not even sure I'd bother to watch FYI's version after the abysmal reviews of the hosts. For Telemundo Mexico was front and center every 2 seconds during the opening number. I knew she'd win, even if her interviews were bad. Even she looked disappointed. She'll likely be working the Telemundo rounds to get Latin sponsors this year. Speaking of Latinas in New York, Peru grew on me and love that she softened her look up, including the pony. My sentimental winner but agree with the poster who said Peruvians are a small demographic for Telemundo. Plus MUO cannot market a DJ, especially when you have a software engineer from the largest Telemundo target audience. I have a soft spot for Mexico and their people and Meza has proven herself at both Universe and World, so felicitaciones a los Mexicanos. PR will get the crown soon too. (NT) -- Main hosts last night were Carlos Ponce (Puerto Rico) and Jacqueline Bracamontes (Miss Mexico 2001 and competed in Puerto Rico)., 13:36:07 05/17/21 Mon What exactly was Cat claim to fame when she won? Wasn't she a d list dancer and miss world reject? (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:51:41 05/20/21 Thu I exceeded the letter count. Click in. -- HIM, 17:13:11 05/17/21 Mon HILARIOUS READ! Your recommendations at the end need to be faxed to MUO headquarters! Do you notice that in both this year and 2010 (when Mexico won) the FQ's were rather easy and the answers were all around horrid? I don't chalk this up to mere coincidence. A part of me fantasizes about what would have happened had the 50 year old Puerto Rican soccer mom competed last year and goddess Madison Anderson competed this year! I bet she would have won! She was seen as a bit of a bobble head last year (especially when compared with Zozi's intellect) but she still held her own and this year, Madison's answers would have likely been enough to vault over the ones he heard last night. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:41:29 05/17/21 Mon Madison would have been a force against the top 5 who placed this year. But I am still inclined that Mexico would have won. (NT) -- Original Rican, 06:45:35 05/18/21 Tue Madison is a pageant patty. She offers nothing more than good stage presentation. Andrea is accomplished outside of the pageant world. You best believe MUO leaned the judges to someone with Andrea's credentials and did everything it could to highlight she had the qualities they were looking for, as no way with those answers should Mexico have won based on what we saw on the final telecast. (NT) -- What would Madison have to talk about in interview - that BoricaEnMiSangre contrived hashtag campaign??? The judges see straight through that BS., 11:05:24 05/18/21 Tue Hot review again. You continue to outdo yourself. LOL I agree with many points in there. We are on the same wavelength about Puerto Rico, at times she looks 60. Though I think that she could have been very competitive at Mrs Universe or Grandma Universe (Grandma Universe is organized by the same Bulgarian owner that does Mrs Universe, though I do not think that specific competition is organized yearly). (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 19:29:54 05/18/21 Tue Philippines was super short and fat what are you Pinoy Gringos talking about. She only made it because of sash it was so embarrassing to see her in the stage looking so cheap (NT) -- Sincere, 08:52:07 05/20/21 Thu

Subject: Please watch this video of the sovereign starting at the 10 minute mark. What are your thoughts?
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Subject: Re: Lesson/ advice to MUP Team
Author: Pepe [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:46:03 05/17/21 Mon I honestly feel that everyone's expectations JUST because it's a new MUPh org was way too high. They did their job and the entire packaging and performance of Rabiya GOT her to the TOP 21. We all saw how she can perform during the swimsuit round and how she was trained for that. Had she performed in the same level during the finals and didn't look too nervous or confused with projection, or had she remembered her training and not let everything get to her nerves (note that for each girl when they call their name in the beginning before sila rarampa, nagpro-project sila--and ALL of our previous girls knew how to do that REGARDLESS of which camp--pero nakalimutan ni Rabiya and because of that she was OFF the entire time), then she would've gone way farther, even would have a real chance for the crown. Not to blame Rabi ahh pero after the NC competition you see how she cracked under the pressure and honestly the same thing happened tonight. he next MUPh should have grace under pressure--not the opposite. I honestly think she was perfectly equipped with everything needed to win--other candidates get the crown even being less prepared let's be real--Pia and all the other BPCI candidates had it worse and had so much less to work with and they ALL pulled through. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Something was off about Rabiya. All the other reps since 2010 have more or less owned the stage. Rabiya looked like she wanted to vomit anytime she was on stage. Now, we know the Filipino fans likely are 90 percent of the stress but come one, she sabotaged herself. Her ss performance was horrible. I can't say she wasn't prepared and didn't have ever thing handed to her but she just been off since national costume. What's the story on Venezuela? I figured she would be in because of Gabriella. (NT) -- Original Rican, 02:52:28 05/17/21 Mon Rabiya and her rabid fans should be french kissing the ground that their precious streak continues when it should have ended with this cry baby! She is a pretty girl and I commend her for speaking English, as it is not her first language. However, she came across as entitled, immature and poorly styled. There were at least 20 other girls I would have replaced her with. As for VZ, their blonde curse continues! I don't know why they keep crowning these blondes with paralyzed looking faces. They should have learned their lesson after El Tocuyo crashed and burned in Manila. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 03:08:24 05/17/21 Mon Agreed she was lucky to make Top 21. She looked straight out of 1998 with that preliminary gown and hair. I was there, I should know! (NT) -- Poor thing really cracked after the National Costume breakdown, but I think suspect she also had a bad interview. That panel does not need anything Tony Robbins is selling., 13:54:47 05/17/21 Mon they need to hire a psychologist. (NT) -- representing the philippines is mentally draining., 14:51:40 05/17/21 Mon I know a lot of you think that Rabiya is entitled & spoiled, but that's actually far from reality. Just to provide some context (please click in) --> -- Duchess of Bikini Bottom, 15:35:09 05/17/21 Mon As a generation Z myself, I know what you mean about putting it out there in social media. It's just our way of communicating. I need to learn there are other ways. I actually saw a huge potential in her, but it was just too much. I still like her. Thanks for sharing. (NT) -- Congrats Rabiya, 16:22:03 05/17/21 Mon I think that video through her off her A-game. If I recall, Telemundo interviews were 24 hours prior and she was strong there. But national costume was here downfall. I never thought a girl would allow costume to break their spirit. I understand being emotional but the worst thing she did was post it for the world to see during competition. She likely became the laughing stock of Canada, VZ, and all the other strong minded girls. (NT) -- Original Rican, 16:42:42 05/17/21 Mon What's stupid is they won national costume last year so it was unlikely they would win again. They should have blown that off. (NT) -- I mean Denise Quinones won in a freaking Chicken costume., 18:44:49 05/17/21 Mon Exactly. But why post a video crying about it? I'm still waiting for Nova to post her video, she has been silent. (NT) -- Original Rican, 19:20:21 05/17/21 Mon Nova's probably suing Natalie Glebova for poor training. I mean, Glebova has now joined the ranks of Roston Ogata as hyped yet failed pageant coaches. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:36:07 05/17/21 Mon She's probably thinking about how she's going to pay back that Michael Cinco gown. For all the hype about him, his gowns have not materialized in an MUO winner. (NT) -- Not sure it is worth the $20,000+, 19:54:20 05/17/21 Mon Was it confirmed that neon yellow monstrosity was a Cinco? There was a video posted by a Filipino news agency that documented Nova's visit to his atelier in Dubai and the two gowns she tried on (black with silver detail on front and an orangish/red ballgown with flared shoulder sleeves) looked absolutely great on her. I am shocked she didn't opt for those dresses. Her prelim gown was confirmed to be from Colombian designer Virgilio Madinah. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 19:57:43 05/17/21 Mon His gowns are gawdy that way, so pretty sure that was his. He also designed Czech Republic and Romania's gowns. (NT) -- All the makings of shady Eastern European and Asian labor backstories in Dubai, 20:04:29 05/17/21 Mon So Philippines has made it in 10 years. Are they considered a power house? The sovereign on YouTube thinks so. With the exception of Pia, cat and Janine, the other reps were questionable with many likely being Paula picks. Even after their wins in 3 years I never bought into them being a powerhouse. As much as I like Pia, luck was on her side and her breast implants worked in her favor. Cat and Tamryn were perfection but I would have preferred Tamryn. Of Pia and Cat, Janine was the most Filipino identified, if that makes sense. I attended miss Universe 2012,and she should have won. She did everything right. Olivia was a mess. (NT) -- Original Rican, 07:14:56 05/18/21 Tue I would consider them a powerhouse because of not only their success at Miss Universe but also in international pageants in general - big and small - worthwhile and ridiculous. That has translated into many countries looking to the Philippines for prep, especially their neighbors in Asia but also Latin America and Europe. Several Filipino designers graced this year's pageant that you wouldn't expect - including Belize and Cameroon - who have no immediate ties to the Philippines. They've made an impact and you can't say they don't come prepared (although Rabiya may have been overprepared to the point of buckling under the pressure). (NT) -- Pia and Catriona deserved their wins, but I could as easily seen their reps from 2016 and 2017 shut out of the telecast. Rabiya seems sweet and disciplined but completely overwhelmed by the time the competition came around., 11:00:36 05/18/21 Tue Pia and Catriona went to Miss Universe on a mission, everything was calculated, even with the minor wardrobe hiccups, Pia - prelim gown, Cat - national costume rolling thing, they both had it pretty much together and both were veterans with great experience. (NT) -- NSI, 13:23:42 05/18/21 Tue This is the dilemma of Southeast Asian countries. If we send women with Southeast Asian features, they don't go as far as the mixed race (i.e. half white) reps. Indonesia's Malay beauties make the 1st cut. But it was their half-white rep in 2019 who placed the highest. Thailand's mixed race reps are the ones who have also placed the highest (Maria, Fahsai) in recent history. As for the Philippines, Malay beauties like Venus, Janine, & Ara made top 5, but it was the half-white mixed race reps who clinched the crowns in 2015 & 2019. The first & last & only time a Southeast Asian Malay beauty has won MU is in 1969. Bui Simon (1988) is more Indochinese as opposed to Malay, IMO. I don't know if this is colorism at work--? I think perhaps it's coz the mixed race reps have a better handle on English, which gives them an advantage. Because as Lu Sierra says, Miss Universe is a communicator. But apparently only if she communicates in--(usually)--perfect English or Spanish. (NT) -- Duchess of Bikini Bottom, 01:14:02 05/19/21 Wed Even those that speak English are generally not warm or relatable. Robotic, unlike the Latinas who are naturally open, flirty, and charming. Or the Filipinas like Pia and Catriona who have perfected being "ON" when communicating. Or Zozi, who is a natural-born orator who like all South African queens have an accent that is pleasing to the West. (NT) -- However, if they can go from clapper-every-year status to constant placers with competitive presentations, they can master being great communicators by WESTERN standards., 12:37:54 05/19/21 Wed Western standards? Or Latina/Telemundo standards? Note that the Europeans (also part of the West) are also at a disadvantage in the Telemundo era as they tend to be more reserved & less flamboyant / overtly sensual / demonstrably warm as the Latinas. Also, not relatable to whom? Please remember that the women who won the right to compete are relatable in the countries they represent. But they are just not, perhaps, relatable in the US/Telemundo market. I understand that MU & Telemundo will promote & cater to the beauty & relatability standards of the North & South American market (it’s their company after all). Just don’t hold it against the Asian countries if we send biracial reps on occasion. I guess they tend to advance further coz they can expertly navigate between the cultures & languages of Southeast Asia & Anglo North America. I suspect the next SE Asian Malay or Indochinese who wins Universe will either be upper class (like Gloria Diaz) or raised in the US (like Bui Simon). (NT) -- The Duchess of Bikini Bottom, 02:41:38 05/20/21 Thu Rabiya's placement was a head scratcher to me based on a poor preliminary presentation that was absolutely underwhelming. They should go back to the previous formula, which they also messed up with last year with Gazini. (NT) -- Philly Fan, 12:23:06 05/19/21 Wed Rabiya was a Paula pick. Though, I think she did well enough in interview to get in on her own. (NT) -- Original Rican, 13:45:48 05/19/21 Wed

Subject: Lupita Jones Reaction Video
Author: annie55 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:00:45 05/18/21 Tue For those who have been asking, Lupita Jones wasn't in Florida (first time in years that she hasn't attended live). She's currently campaigning to be Governor of Baja California. Here's her reaction video: She seems genuinely happy with Andrea's win, though she seemed very scary during that phone conversation with Andrea. You have to give it to her, two winners as national director and many runner-ups and semifinalists are an achievement. That said, after seeing her craziness as she publicly humiliated Sofia Aragon, I sincerely hope she doesn't become Governor. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I'm still not sure why she humilated Sofia. I mean Sofia did pretty darn good at Universe. I wasn't a fan but you don't treat your own delegate like that if you're the National Director. The National Director should honestly be the biggest supporter. Lupita should have been fired after the way she treated Sofia. (NT) -- IanSebastin, 15:23:17 05/18/21 Tue Because everyone knows she is an arrogant biyatch, where have you been the last twenty years? Sofia Aragon probably didn't his her ass and Lupita didn't like that. (NT) -- Sofia just had the nerve to air it on social media whereas others suffered in silence, 15:40:32 05/18/21 Tue Well for three years I was in my mothers womb. I'm only 17 (NT) -- IanSebastin, 15:52:48 05/18/21 Tue Lupita should be hesitant, Miss Mexico, now Miss Universe had a fantastic team assisting her. (NT) -- ., 15:49:34 05/18/21 Tue Since Lupita is running for governor she couldn't be with her all the time, but Lupita assigned her a group of state directors to train her. Lupita was in contact with them and Andrea all the time. (NT) -- Also, Lupita is the one that pays for the MU franchise. Why do you all want to take away her credits?, 18:13:51 05/18/21 Tue I still don't totally buy Andrea's win as being a fair one given her final answers so I am not sure if I would credit Lupita for this win. Maybe Andrea will win me over during her reign. (NT) -- Katar, 16:01:52 05/18/21 Tue The judges decided based on her preliminary performance, her interview, combined with the final night competition. As a result, the judges selected Miss Mexico for the job as Miss Universe 2020-2021. I am very happy! (NT) -- ., 16:50:52 05/18/21 Tue That would be acceptable as long as the MUO states it explicitly that the everything is taken into consideration (prelim + all rounds in final). But, I do not think that is the case. They seem to suggest that the format of the competition is that the score is wiped clean after each round and the final answers decide the winner. That's why I don't totally buy her win. At least with Zozi last year, as much as people claimed that the pageant was fixed for her, her final answers were good so it was more acceptable. (NT) -- Katar., 17:39:08 05/18/21 Tue I wrote in another thread yesterday morning, I'm pleased panelists didn't penalize Andrea for less-than-stellar answers. If she was their favorite going in, they didn't abandon her. Going first isn't easy. (NT) -- I don't know if it's overall impression with final answers factored in or final Q & A only., 21:29:11 05/18/21 Tue Yes, I think that is exactly the problem. To my knowledge, MUO has never explicitly announce how the winner is chosen in the final round. Back in the late 2000s when they showed scores in the SS and EG round, the scores of previous rounds seem to not matter in who makes the cut into the next round. So, I was under the impression that the scores are wiped clean after each round and the final answers decide the winner. If MUO makes their scoring more clear, Andrea's win would be much less of a problem in my eyes. (NT) -- Katar, 08:44:22 05/19/21 Wed Selection Committee should clue you in folks... they just offer input. MUO has the final say on a lot of placements, including final, for quite some time now. Gotta love these queens living in their fantasies of scores like 8.752 and 9.336. Winner is often selected before they arrive. (NT) -- Meza is not exception, but deserving. MUO chose well., 11:42:09 05/19/21 Wed They should make that clear. At least that will protect their queens from getting trashed by rabid fans. There's no way to protect MUO from rabid fans as it is MUO's fault for not making their selection criteria/mechanism clear. (NT) -- Katar, 14:12:22 05/19/21 Wed Our newly crown Miss Universe was consistent in swimsuit, gown, paneled interview. Miss Mexico left an impression on the judges, therefore selected for the job. Remember, Miss Mexico was the first runner-up to Miss World. (NT) -- ., 10:42:42 05/19/21 Wed I wonder if Lupita is considering letting go of the directorship. After her social media backlash and gubernatorial campaign its possible. Plus, with a third crown, MUO may likely want more in franchise fees. In recent years they have been letting go of long time franchise holders and selling up to companies/networks with deep pockets. (NT) -- They also throw in a former as a National Director here and there for appearance purposes, 18:47:23 05/18/21 Tue I think it will largely depend on whether she'll win as Governor. If she wins, I don't see how she can continue running the national pageant. If she loses, she might decide to hold on to the directorship to keep herself relevant. (NT) -- annie55, 19:20:02 05/18/21 Tue Unlikely that Lupita will win. The election for governor is June 6, and Lupita trails the leading candidate by almost 25 points according to a very recent poll. (NT) -- Pollster, 09:10:23 05/19/21 Wed just can’t see her being a governor for some reason. I mean even though she is still one she already shot herself in the foot as a good pageant director. (NT) -- Pixie, 23:36:41 05/19/21 Wed I'm waiting for her to put on her orange carpet dress from 1991 and hog the spotlight like she did with Ximena. Wait for it, folks! It's coming. And I'd personally rather vote for El Chapo as Governor. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:08:22 05/18/21 Tue I don't think Lupita is that bad. She just wants to act motherly. As a mother, she believes she needs to act superior (like most mother's do). Because she's accomplished so much, I can see why she wants others to be like her. (NT) -- Viva Mejico!, 10:55:34 05/19/21 Wed I know there’s always two sides to a story, but Bashing and shaming your titleholders is not too motherly... lol. (NT) -- Pixie, 23:30:11 05/19/21 Wed

Subject: https://youtu.be/dIi0Hisipkg
Author: Erika [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:02:45 05/18/21 Tue Watch "Andrea Meza Talks, on Live With Kelly and Ryan About Being Crowned Miss Universe" on YouTube [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Gone are the days when the morning after, for both Miss USA & Miss Universe, there were pictures of them having breafast in bed and throngs of newspaprr photigraphers in the room snapping pictures and the next day they were on television in smart suits being interviewed (NT) -- Barron, 19:02:37 05/19/21 Wed Am I the only one who thinks Andrea looks a little like the young Sophia Loren (NT) -- ?, 20:33:17 05/19/21 Wed She sounds relatable and her English is one of the best of any Mexican delegate. I think she is a well deserved winner given the circumstances. SS and EG were excellent and here she comes off significantly better than in the top 5 round where none of the delegates fully shined. (NT) -- . HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:18:58 05/19/21 Wed I may have been sleeping for the past 20 years but when did sockless Ryan Seacrest replace Regis Philbin?! As for Andrea, she is sweet, articulate and engaging. She looks more like her actual age in this video and much like Stefania in 2009, I think she will endear those who are questioning the results to support and love her. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:08:43 05/19/21 Wed Stop blaming Jonas team, as it doesnt matter whether who has the most gorgeous gown and has the most wonderful answer in q&a. Look what happened to Peru. Because Telemundo already fixed the crown to Mexico. (NT) -- Galit Sa Boba, 23:12:27 05/19/21 Wed

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