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Subject: CELEBS REACT TO SOUTH AFRICA WINNING MISS UNIVERSE
Author: KiwiGuy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:33:18 12/10/19 Tue #BlackGirlMagic 💪🏾 https://t.co/Du0hUf81wB — Michelle Obama (@MichelleObama) December 10, 2019 Congratulations Miss South Africa, the new Miss Universe @zozitunzi! Agree with you...leadership is the most powerful thing we should be teaching young women today. We welcome your visit to #OWLAG, our Leadership Academy for Girls 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦 https://t.co/YL0NeO40QU — Oprah Winfrey (@Oprah) 9 December 2019 View this post on Instagram Miss Universe, but make it FASHION. You�re looking at the new @missuniverse. @zozitunzi, I studied your IG feed and these are my fave shots of you. So proud of you and what you stand for. So many little girls in South Africa and beyond will now feel their dreams are indeed in reach. 💛TyTy A post shared by Tyra Banks (@tyrabanks) on Dec 9, 2019 at 7:45am PST �I grew up in a world where a woman who looks like me, with my kind of skin and my kind of hair, was never considered to be beautiful. I think it is time that that stops today. I want children to look at me and see my face and I want them to see their faces reflected in mine." 👸🏿 pic.twitter.com/Cqlm7YVTi1 — Naomi Campbell (@NaomiCampbell) 9 December 2019 Beautiful message! Congrats to the gorgeous #MissUniverse 2019, @zozitunzi from South Africa! 🇿🇦⁠❤️ #BlackGirlMagic #MondayMotivation https://t.co/mG2eYAyV7a — Viola Davis (@violadavis) December 9, 2019 Last edited by author: Tue December 10, 2019 03:28:05 Edited 3 times. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Uh, I think Lena Horne and Dorothy Dandrige were considered beautiful. Maybe you are unaware of that. (NT) -- ah diversity., 06:32:48 12/10/19 Tue Oops--Dandridge (NT) -- ah diversity., 06:39:57 12/10/19 Tue Why did you select all black women? She actually has been getting support from damn near every single celebrity. If Beyonce says something the world is over but she already acknowledged Beyonce in her top 20 interview. (NT) -- Test, 08:04:44 12/10/19 Tue Similar to when Nina D won Miss America in 2014. Say one word against her (for example her lousy SS). and immediately the magic word pops out- racist (NT) -- ah diversity., 08:51:04 12/10/19 Tue Am I missing something or did Leila Lopes not win Miss Universe in 2011? Its like everyone has forgotten this fact? I am about fed up with this new Miss Universe. (NT) -- Test, 09:02:27 12/10/19 Tue Agree (NT) -- Loka, 12:49:30 12/10/19 Tue And Mpule before her and Wendy Fitzwilliam before her (NT) -- Fan, 19:35:57 12/10/19 Tue My other issue is that it will now be much harder for white women to win. Miss America is pushed in a corner now although, they have had a very diverse set of winners. Miss USA there entire prep has to be changed. Being blonde is not going to work and last years winner was as a ditzy as a mop. It says a lot in Miss USA when there have been 3 black winners in 4 years. As for Miss Universe, Europe can eliminate themselves now it will not happen for another 10/15 years. South Africa is now a sash country, I am about fed up with this country too. No more black winners! And I am black! -- Test, 09:11:12 12/10/19 Tue I dare any of these celebrities to name 3 other black winners from each pageant. (NT) -- Test, 20:56:24 12/11/19 Wed There have been 10 black Miss USA winners and 59 non-black winners.. (NT) -- Don�t worry, racists, non-blacks still dominate., 10:07:40 12/10/19 Tue Well 10/69 is 14.5 percent. Blacks are 13.5 percent of the US population. So what's the problem? (NT) -- ah diversity, 11:31:19 12/10/19 Tue Wow. You�re like a talking Confederate flag. (NT) -- Or you�re George Zimmerman., 17:36:24 12/10/19 Tue Or you're perhaps Al Sharpton. PS Despite that name Mr Zimmerman is a self described Hispanic whose first language is Spanish ( from his Peruvian mom). His grandfather was black. I guess that makes him a " person of color". But nice try. (NT) -- ah diversity., 18:38:46 12/10/19 Tue Bwahahahahahaha!! (NT) -- Well said!, 18:59:39 12/10/19 Tue

Subject: I admit I was a little bit racist

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Date Posted: 20:53:48 12/11/19 Wed

Last week, while doing my prediction list, I wanted to but felt that I couldn�t put in Ireland, Iceland, Haiti, Belize and USA all at once. I was all, nobody is stopping me from putting them all in but I also wanted to score some points so I went with my gut (which was correct) that there would be no way in hell the judges let all five in. So, was I expecting the judges to be racist? If I can blame someone other than myself, yes.

Just sharing..

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Subject: Miss Universe Evening Gown Competition
Author: Test [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:45:24 12/10/19 Tue I finally rewatched the pageant and I have to say the evening gown competition was one of the best in numerous years. The stage, lighting, and the music was exceptionally well done. Not the woman singing but the instrumental. Both Iceland and France had perfect instrumental parts. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I loooved this year. Whoever did the last two years deserves a kiss. The choreography and camera work were excellent too. (NT) -- eloise, 21:56:10 12/10/19 Tue France had an ugly gown and Iceland had a bad walk. (NT) -- Observer, 02:37:25 12/11/19 Wed France's gown was gorgeous. (NT) -- ah diversity., 04:30:41 12/11/19 Wed The gowns were meh to me. SIck of nude/flesh colored. Nothing wowed me. France's gown was a mess. (NT) -- okie, 06:25:42 12/11/19 Wed France gown was nice but it was too much in contrast to the other 9 simple gowns. Iceland was perfection but for Miss Teen USA. (NT) -- Test, 08:06:10 12/11/19 Wed Not wowed at all. Last year was amazing, the long runway with the entering and exiting contestants and gown presentations the like of SA, Vietnman, Ven, Ph, Canada. This year all the contestants were rushed and lifeless. They started off with the two most boring, most cliche, and uninspired presentations of USA and Colombia and didn't take off until Thailand and Mexico and then done! France had a gorgeous gown but totally lifeless. (NT) -- The voiceovers also added an MAO touch that didn't do any of the girls favors. And don't get me started on the quincenera act getting more air time than anyone else., 11:03:40 12/11/19 Wed France suffered the fate of Alyssa Campenlla. With very bright skin and red hair, both were like ghosts. France gown was stunning but it didn't register well on TV it looked like an ostrich. But once South Africa came out, it was no competition. And to make matters worse, she tied her gown to her country. There was no topping that. (NT) -- Test, 20:41:27 12/11/19 Wed IMO, Thailand had the best gown presentation followed by Mexico. USA and France were disappointments for me. (NT) -- LOL, 13:36:06 12/11/19 Wed

Subject: Telecast Scores Revealed
Author: Observer [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:54:27 12/11/19 Wed Swimsuit Puerto Rico 9.456 Peru 9.334 Colombia 9.267 France 9.163 South Africa 9.005 Mexico 8.934 Thailand 8.875 Indonesia 8.779 USA 8.399 Iceland 7.782 Evening Puerto Rico 9.627 South Africa 9.5 Thailand 9.423 Mexico 9.299 Colombia 9.087 Indonesia 8.911 Peru 8.787 Iceland 8.523 France 7.902 USA 7.013 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: My Miss Universe Review

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Date Posted: 14:35:30 12/11/19 Wed

The pageant sucked. Overall grade is an F. Steve Harvey needs to go. His banter with the girls is cringeworthy. The all female selection committee needs to go. It could be arguably said that the largest audience in pageantry is homosexual males. There needs to be males on the judging panel. There needs to be different finals judges from the preliminary judges. Ditch the regional formats and wildcards. I�m alright with the �Trump picks� if the MUO really wants girls to get in based on their resume or whatever but we at home don�t need to know who they are. Ditch the empowerment, victimization personal statements. It�s a beauty pageant for crying out loud. These girls are parading around on stage in bikinis and dresses. They�re not curing cancer or running for President. Do they need to be intelligent? Absolutely but I only want to listen to the top five girls speak after they�ve proven themselves in Evenjng gown and SS. They get one shot to answer a relevant question to showcase their intelligence. I don�t need to here a speech when their called into the top 20, a personal statement, commentary with their SS and EG presentations, two final questions and an ending statement. That ending statement was dumb.

Why is the MUO sending out Malaysia for the costume competition when Philippines won? She wasn�t even in the top 20 and she got as much airtime as the ten finalists who missed out on making the top ten.

The stage sucked. The preliminary stage looked like a fashion show mall. That singer that butchered Selena songs sucked. She sounded like a bad karaoke singer with pitch problems. If you cannot land a decent singer, then just play a track. That works just fine.

Overall top 20 was predictable. Nigeria was the only surprise. Not sure how she got in because Kenya, Myanmar, Tanzania and Sierra Leonne were all better than her.

Was glad to see Albania get in. Would have loved to see her in the top ten.
Ireland was overrated. Not sure what everyone saw in her. I had her near the bottom of my list after prelims. She looked haggard and tired.
I still don�t get USA. Not sure how she won the national title but she was a mess at Universe. It was nice to see Iceland and Peru in the top ten. I thought Peru should have been in the top five. I would have replaced Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, with Chile, Slovak Republic and China.

Mexico bored me to tears. Not sure how she kept advancing. Thailand was overhyped but I liked her. I would have cut her after SS because her body was not that strong. Indonesia was a pleasant surprise. I didn�t care for her in prelims but she was stunning on finals night. Would have preferred her in top five over Thailand. I didn�t mind PR. I think she had the best body and was in her own league presentation wise. She was a pageant patty but I would not have been mad if she won. Can not believe that she lost Florida to that blonde who only made top ten at USA. She is miles ahead of her. South Africa was in my final six after prelims. Was not surprised she won. She is very articulate.

Did anyone notice Netherlands in the background when the last wildcard was called? She looked like she was about to cry. I felt bad for her because she was an obvious strong European.

I�m over the empowerment thing. Give the girls the airtime they deserve. Bring back the old format. Two hours max.

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Subject: Shandi and Susie's review
Author: Doot [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:06:48 12/09/19 Mon In case you haven't seen it already, I think this is a really fun recap. I love these two. And they discuss a lot of the points we've been talking about here. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Excellent review! Agree with all except analysis of USA. Yes she probably was top 3 in SS but her gown performance was bottom 3. I also need both of them to improve upon their history, Susie Albania has made the cut several times. (NT) -- Test, 23:34:10 12/09/19 Mon Can someone please post a recap for those who don't want to listen to their blathering. Thank you. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 00:00:41 12/10/19 Tue More or less : they hate Steve Harvey, hated the stage, love USA and Albania (they trained both), hate regionals, Miss Universe winner is perfection. (NT) -- Test, 08:09:59 12/10/19 Tue I'm surprised that Shandi trained USA and liked South Africa. I still remember her comments about Leila Lopes during the MU 2011 broadcast ("Angola is a real surprise to me") and her comments in her Miss Universe 2016 recap video about Deshauna Barber ("USA got in on sash factor"). (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 21:10:02 12/10/19 Tue So just because she didn't like Miss U 2011 or Miss USA, DeShauna, it's weird that she likes this one? Why is that? (NT) -- Fan, 13:28:49 12/11/19 Wed Susie has questionable judgements. She loves the all-female judging panel AND she wants even more speaking from the contestants!!! It's no wonder why she was so bad at Miss Universe. She's lucky she even won Miss USA (NT) -- JN, 10:13:18 12/10/19 Tue Suzie is in the bottom 5 of all Miss USA winners as far as I'm concerned. (NT) -- ah diversity., 11:27:27 12/10/19 Tue Susie's always biased for Latina delegates except Mexico - as Mexicans get a bad rap with other Latin cultures, especially Puerto Ricans. She ain't fooling nobody. (NT) -- Let's not forget that Cotton Candy disaster., 14:05:39 12/10/19 Tue I always forget that Suzie crowned Shandi but it should be the other way. Though I appreciate her thoughts. But her styling was horrific at miss Universe. Her national costume, her hair in gown and that awful gown. Embarrassing. But Shauntay Hinton holds the record for last place with Kim Pressler. (NT) -- Test, 18:55:23 12/10/19 Tue Alabama should have won over Susie. She would have been at least top 5 at M.U. (NT) -- ghrtt3, 23:47:36 12/10/19 Tue The top five was strong that year. She would not have made top 5. She wasn�t that good. She had no international appeal. (NT) -- Observer, 02:16:08 12/11/19 Wed Wasn't that the year the notorious Nicole O'Brien was Miss TX? She was my vote for the win. She looked too matronly in gown, but I liked her anyway (NT) -- Fan, 13:30:40 12/11/19 Wed We will just have to agree to disagree. Michelle Arnette was perfection. I would have chosen any of the 4 ru's over Susie. Including Nicole. (NT) -- ghrtt3, 14:29:41 12/11/19 Wed

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Subject: Wall Street Journal Had an Article About State/Country Hopping
Author: Basketball_Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:58:47 12/10/19 Tue https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-drama-over-pageant-hopping-that-shook-a-miss-universe-competition-11575720000 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Text of the article inside in case the link doesn't work. -- Basketball_Fan, 21:04:42 12/10/19 Tue I think Miss Universe laxed on requirements to get more girls to compete. But it's not fair to those who are breed in the state or country. But it does not necessarily mean they will win. Kim Harlan went from 2nd runner up at TEEN, then never won a state title then quickly moved to North Dakota where she did not even place in the top 10. Then she was handed the World America title. (NT) -- Test, 07:25:53 12/11/19 Wed

Subject: Miss World 2016 in Washington DC and Miss USA 2019 in ATL
Author: Test [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:20:12 12/11/19 Wed We know that the girls did absolutely nothing in Atlanta for Miss Universe. Truth is, there is nothing to do. But what exactly did the girls do at Miss World 2016 when it was in DC? There is absolutely nothing to do there. And was it a month-long pageant? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Wow just wow
Author: Samuel [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:57:14 12/08/19 Sun When you think about it, it really is something. Puerto Rico almost won the title and continued the Puerto Rico wins Miss Universe after Thailand hosts Miss Universe streak. Madison was quite strong and was a little overshadowed by Thailand and France. But isn�t it interesting that she was 1st runner up at Miss Florida USA 2019?? I wonder how she would�ve fared if she competed at Miss USA? And isn�t it interesting that Madison beat Miss USA at Miss Universe while Miss USA beat Florida who beat Madison at FL USA 2019?? Things go in full circles in life [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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PR looked so much better when she won her national title compared to tonight. Tonight her face looked chubby, she wasn't sporting a tan, and she acted like an over-rehearsed robot. The audience carried her to 1st RU tonight in my opinion. But such is the world of pageantry. It's a lottery. I doubt she would've won Miss USA against Cheslie because MUO clearly had an agenda for 2019. The final piece of the puzzle fell into place with tonight's winner. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:04:41 12/08/19 Sun Exactly. And Miss Florida USA in my opinion is significantly better looking than Madison... who looked like a younger Madonna. It clearly worked very well... with Telemundo being back PR and MX two largest Latino communities made top 3. LOL. Well I give Madison obe thing... she was not as overehearsed as Gazini Ganados. What were the Filipino coaches thinking? That getting a girl that sounds and looks more pageant patty than MJ Lastimosa andJoyce Girauld would work. LOL (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 23:11:57 12/08/19 Sun If USA had been crystle Stewart or Rachel smith universe lelia lopes and teen USA kamie Crawford at the same time. it wouldn�t feel this way. Mind you under the �old model� phenomenal winners. (NT) -- South star, 23:12:17 12/08/19 Sun Maybe it's me, but I got the feeling Puerto Rico was speaking with a fake accent and was trying to hide that she is actually American from Florida. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 23:09:00 12/08/19 Sun She doesn't even speak Spanish. (NT) -- Test, 23:41:41 12/08/19 Sun Madison does speak Spanish. She is fluent, actually. I do gotta say she is more eloquent in English as it is her first language. Madison was raised by her Puertorican grandma; her Spanish have the accent of a second generation Rican raised in the US. (NT) -- Marie, 08:20:47 12/09/19 Mon I'm surprised she had as much support as she did tonight considering she was booed like hell at her national pageant. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:47:04 12/08/19 Sun I thought it was just me who noticed some sort of accent from her. She didnt sound like that when she competed as in Grand International (NT) -- Poll, 01:08:49 12/09/19 Mon She was amazing. She did everything right but SA was just that much more natural. (NT) -- eloise, 15:03:30 12/09/19 Mon Did anyone else notice the cameras continually panning to SA before she ever won? Beautiful yes but that seemed odd like the cameramen knew she was winning ? (NT) -- Lola, 05:22:01 12/10/19 Tue They do. The producer gets a list and tells the camera man where to pan. The worse example of this was 2011 when the camera was already on the girl before being called. (NT) -- Test, 08:07:10 12/10/19 Tue Miss USA should FIRE her stylist. They did her NO favors with her hair or final gown - why put her in that mirrored gold mess? and her hair pulled back, I think she should have worn her hair straight (IMO) and wore a dramatic color. Do these titleholders not see themselves in the mirror and say "wait a minute, I am NOT wearing this"... I still believe she should have been in the top 5 but her styling totally took her out of the running. (NT) -- Still a Miss USA fan, 12:51:48 12/10/19 Tue Yes!! Her styling in evening wear was terrible! It may have look mature and focus on her face.. which is not her strongest strengths. She should�ve kept her hair down. I thought the gown she wore was decent but a lot of better gowns were showcased so she was overshadowed. Wouldn�t be surprised if she was last in gown. (NT) -- Samuel, 13:04:56 12/10/19 Tue This is not the first time that an evening gown lost a pageant for Cheslie. When she competed in the Miss NC-MAO she wore a very nondescript gray slip dress that did nothing at all for her. It's almost as if she's afraid of color, which is a shame, because she could wear just about any color she wanted. However, she seems always to stick to drab neutrals. (NT) -- No Name, 21:17:08 12/10/19 Tue That tells you judging is subjective. (NT) -- hehehe, 22:49:29 12/10/19 Tue

Subject: Official Mock Miss Universe 2019 results
Author: USBMockSquad [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:36:07 12/08/19 Sun Mock Miss Universe 2019 final results [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Click in for results if unable to view video -- USBMockSquad, 13:40:07 12/08/19 Sun A great result! I hope it matches the actual result tonight. Thank you to everyone behind the scenes who runs the mock pageant; I appreciate all your work. Thanks for keeping pageants fun ;-) -- Doot, 14:12:16 12/08/19 Sun Great, Vive le France! (NT) -- Chester, 16:11:11 12/08/19 Sun I agree with France! (NT) -- pageantpearl, 16:57:48 12/08/19 Sun 13 /20. plus 3 from bubble list. 16/25 (NT) -- USBMockSquad, 20:10:46 12/08/19 Sun USB got it right! The all female selection committee got it wrong! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:51:11 12/08/19 Sun Mock Miss Universe update : For Round 5, mock judges were asked another question : who they THINK ( not want ) to be Miss Universe 2019. The 2 mock judges who predicted South Africa to win are Miss Nadia and Duration Convexity ! Congratulations! (NT) -- USBMockSquad, 21:09:35 12/10/19 Tue

Subject: Miss Iceland
Author: Rogue [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:37:48 12/09/19 Mon I really wanted her to win. She was so cute, and reminded me of Sweden 1989. Same shy personality, same pretty face. Every aspect of her presentation was great. How did she not make it into the top 5? Compare to Louise Drevenstam Miss Universe Sweden 1989: Last edited by author: Mon December 09, 2019 15:46:14 Edited 5 times. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Me too. I loved her. But better swimsuit presentations and nicer gowns were out there. (NT) -- eloise, 15:40:32 12/09/19 Mon She was dead last in Top 10 for me. She screamed Miss Teen Universe, especially with her evening gown. She was definitely not as refined as SA, Thailand, or Colombia. (NT) -- Jazz, 15:43:10 12/09/19 Mon Exactly!!! During evening gown, I kept asking one question: Why is this little girl competing on stage with all these women? She's a stunner for Miss Oakton Grove High School, but not for Miss Universe. (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 16:11:34 12/09/19 Mon I had her last in swimsuit but third in evening gown. She was adorable but I do get the too teen comment. (NT) -- PF-Indy, 17:49:26 12/09/19 Mon (NT) -- Rogue, 15:44:06 12/09/19 Mon Louise ended up as first runner-up to Angela Visser, which is about where Iceland should have placed. South Africa did not belong in the top 3. If this was a true beauty pageant, then it would have been Iceland, Thailand, and France in the top 3. (NT) -- truth.com, 17:36:55 12/09/19 Mon Iceland is too pretty for Miss Universe and she would not make a dent at Miss World. She placed about where I would expect unfortuantely. (NT) -- Test, 17:39:03 12/09/19 Mon Iceland was lovely, but looked 16. (NT) -- pageantpearl, 17:52:29 12/09/19 Mon I loved her, she deserved top 3. And she was surprisingly strong when speaking. Fig O'Reilly probably never expected her to be a challenge but with excellent speaking skills and fresh looks... she edged out Fig.... more I think of it, more it makes sense. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 17:57:37 12/09/19 Mon She reminded me a bit of Emanii Davis, Miss Georgia USA 2016 (and more recently Miss Earth USA). -- Doot, 18:08:26 12/09/19 Mon If this was Miss Teen USA, she probably would have won. She looked wayyy to young and I think that's what hurt her to be honest. -- Kayla, 18:14:58 12/09/19 Mon How old is she? I adored her and wanted so badly for her to win, but knew she likely wouldn't because she was so teen (NT) -- Fan, 18:31:57 12/09/19 Mon She is young looking and is only 20! She is going to be even more stunning as she ages. she seems like she would have been a joy to watch (NT) -- South star, 21:12:02 12/09/19 Mon I grew to like her a lot! Didn�t quite see it in photos and preliminaries but after finals, I did think she looks like Michele Reis. She is considered to be the most beautiful Miss Hong Kong ever. Had she competed at a older age, she could�ve placed higher IMO. (NT) -- Samuel, 13:10:39 12/10/19 Tue

Subject: Pageant Patties!
Author: HawtPlusSeksi (nsi) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:19:44 12/09/19 Mon Please Filipino and Puerto Rican fans and queens that work when preparing the Queens for MU and other pageants, please STOP THAT PATTY GOOP! This is not Miss Drag Queen. This is a competition for beautiful, relatable women. What happened to Gazini should never repeat itself in this pageant. You take a beautiful, relatable girl and you turn her into an over coached, overdone individual while killing her charisma and individuality. Miss Puerto Rico was very lucky with Telemundo being back. But all I was thinking is a blond version of Joyce Giraud with some MJ Lastimosa and Patti Dunn added! Is it truly the best way to emphasize beautiful Madison and her features? No! Queens, please stop with that PATTY goop now and let beautiful women be beautiful women. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Hhhmmm. I thought PR was amazing. Philippines was a disaster. Poor girl. Thank God they have new directorship, though I thought Shamcey was patty as well. Who knows what will happen to Philippines. (NT) -- eloise, 18:23:20 12/09/19 Mon PR would have won if Trump were still in charge because she looked a lot like Ivanka. (NT) -- ah diversity, 20:47:13 12/09/19 Mon Philippines gown looked like something out of Xena, Female Warrior. It had some kind of Breastplate thing and it was so stiff as she walked. It looked like it could have been her national costume. (NT) -- No Name, 23:00:30 12/09/19 Mon The issue for the Philippines is that styling wise they are stuck in the 1990s. Gazani was a tragedy tonight and really should not have advanced to the top 20. (NT) -- Test, 23:31:40 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Miss Universe 2008 Crystle Stewart is so gorgeous here.
Author: KiwiGuy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:12:58 12/09/19 Mon View this post on Instagram A post shared by Zozibini Tunzi - Miss Universe (@fashionpolicenews) on Dec 8, 2019 at 8:46pm PST [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Can she compete again??? She�s so dang gorgeous!!! (NT) -- South star, 00:18:03 12/09/19 Mon Who is the 2008 winner again? I'm so lazy to google it. (NT) -- Poll, 13:36:51 12/09/19 Mon Hmm. Nice pic, but...Catriona should not be wearing her crown. Yes, it's the Mikimoto. But, her reign was officially over. Let it go. (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 16:23:21 12/09/19 Mon So what? Mikimoto is history, Catriona reign ended and so is the Mikimoto. It is a sign that Mikimoto is irrelevant. -- Justsoyouknow, 17:20:16 12/09/19 Mon The other formers aren't wearing a crown. She shouldn't either. It's about class. Though, class eludes most. (NT) -- SeminoleNation, 17:36:07 12/09/19 Mon The other formers aren�t the outgoing titleholder. (NT) -- South star, 20:24:20 12/09/19 Mon Miss Universe is the face of Black Twitter!!! Everyone is raving about how beautiful she is and she is trending on black twitter. LOL just saying (NT) -- Test, 16:40:05 12/09/19 Mon She is getting roasted on other platforms. People are calling her Arsenio Hall lol (NT) -- Test, 17:24:43 12/09/19 Mon And you enjoy this why? You enjoy being mean spirited and tearing people down just for the hell of it? This displays the very things some of these ladies were speaking out against about social media. And you call yourself a pageant fan. SMH. (NT) -- facts-therealone, 22:52:01 12/09/19 Mon Why didn't Olivia join them? Olivia was goooorgeous that night! (NT) -- Doh, 19:42:55 12/09/19 Mon She was. Beautiful girl. (NT) -- eloise, 19:54:19 12/09/19 Mon I was actually thrilled to finally see a crown on the final walk on the reigning Miss Universe. It's been a long time since we've seen that. I find it disappointing when they aren't wearing one. Also, no mention of a replica crown for the winner to wear or keep which is odd because she surely won't be wearing this 2 million dollar crown much. My husband commented that it's very ironic how many contestants were talking about poverty in their country and then there's this 2 million dollar crown everyone is try to win but won't get to keep. -- PagHag, 22:59:21 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Okay, I'm Wowed.
Author: KiwiGuy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:07:54 12/09/19 Mon View this post on Instagram A post shared by Miss_Universe_Fan (@miss_universe_fan) on Dec 8, 2019 at 8:44pm PST [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I really don't find her facially attractive. Sorry. Miss Universe is becoming like Miss America. The best speaker wins. (NT) -- Mexico should have won., 01:20:48 12/09/19 Mon Sorry but Mexico was probably the least facially attractive on that stage. He face looked almost squished? She looked like the Walmart version of Ximena -- Kayla, 06:24:01 12/09/19 Mon Congratulations, Well deserved!! (NT) -- Zander, 01:24:14 12/09/19 Mon I didn't even have her in my Top 20. Oh well. The neighbor said she looked like a boy. With a panel of men and women she never would have won. (NT) -- pageantpearl, 01:25:18 12/09/19 Mon She kinda looks like a boy in this picture. I have such mixed feelings about SA's win (NT) -- JN, 01:31:26 12/09/19 Mon Love the new MU. She was the best on the stage. (NT) -- KGS, 04:49:38 12/09/19 Mon In her defense, I think she will be a media darling at least in the USA and parts of Africa. She fits exactly what the black lives matter, black girl magic, and black people protest is about. And to make matters worse, she is African. Just wait until you see the video of Oprah screaming. Recall, Oprah has business dealings in South Africa. (NT) -- Test, 17:02:23 12/09/19 Mon Well that didnt take long. Oprah already posted: Congratulations Miss South Africa, the new Miss Universe @zozitunzi! Agree with you...leadership is the most powerful thing we should be teaching young women today. We welcome your visit to #OWLAG, our Leadership Academy for Girls (NT) -- Test, 17:31:09 12/09/19 Mon Why is it that racists like Oprah, Joy Reid (gay hater too), Wanda Sykes ( who bragged on Ellen that she voted all black on her Oscar ballot), Zerlina Maxwell, Michael Dyson, Tiffany Cross, Sunny Hostin, and the king of them all Al Sharpton, can say whatever bigoted remark they want and get away with it? (NT) -- ?, 21:53:27 12/09/19 Mon She has a square face. (NT) -- SQUARE, 17:31:41 12/09/19 Mon Very beautiful, congrats SA (NT) -- facts-therealone, 22:46:09 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Miss NH Results?
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:19:12 12/09/19 Mon So what happened in NH? I saw the winner, but who were runners up? Did Zoe Treadwell place? Kate Carlson? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss New Hampshire USA Alyssa Rose Fernandes 1st Runner up Alexandra Marcello 2nd Runner up Katie Carlson 3rd Runner up Talia Stewart 4th Runner up Kate Becker Miss New Hampshire Teen USA Samantha Lemay. 1st Runner up Grace Paradise 2nd Runner up Olivia Lamper 3rd Runner up Elizabeth Gott 4th Runner up Asianah Gostyla (NT) -- paco, 22:45:43 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: DEMOCRAT LEFT-WING AGENDA PUSHING MISS UNIVERSE INTO THE MISS AMERICA ERA.
Author: pageantpearl [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:34:07 12/09/19 Mon I am a conservative. The pageants were better when they are run by conservatives. Now you can see what happens when liberals get a hold of pageants and ruin them. Production suffers. Every little sob story gets major coverage. Beauty takes a back seat, because we have to drum into our collective heads that "these girls can talk." They could always talk. They were always intelligent. There simply was way to much talking. The first 15 minutes was Steve Harvey babbling about really nothing. I kept on thinking people are going to turn this crap off. He tried to be funny, and none of his jokes worked. Production was a C at best. Choosing finalists from regions is just pathetic. Far too many eliminations. 20 to 10 then to 5 and they should have stopped right there. I question and out of there! TOO MUCH TALKING!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I am a liberal. (In fact, I'm a gay atheist living in San Francisco. My representative in congress is Nancy Pelosi. I do my grocery shopping at a hippie co-op run by socialists.) Our plot to ruin pageants has finally been realized!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!! But seriously... I actually agree with almost everything in your post. You and I probably have way more in common than not. For one thing, I bet we both believe many things were better in the past than they are now. I'm not your enemy; I just want a nice EG and SS competition. -- Doot, 19:11:56 12/09/19 Mon Dear Doot, my best friend and my sister are liberals. I love them more than anyone else I know. (NT) -- pageantpearl, 19:37:40 12/09/19 Mon You�re amzg (NT) -- eloise, 19:52:38 12/09/19 Mon Actually the old miss America era was better than MU last night. (NT) -- At least they had a talent portion which was either entertaining or at least something besides talking., 19:24:20 12/09/19 Mon I thought I was watching a political debate or something. (NT) -- South star, 19:29:33 12/09/19 Mon I thought I was listening to high school speeches for student body president. (NT) -- :o(, 19:38:09 12/09/19 Mon Miss Universe is trying to copy Miss World, with the "beauty with a purpose" theme, and the boring speeches. Guess what? NOBODY LIKES THOSE SPEECHES. That's why Miss Universe was always more popular than Miss World. People watched simply for the best looking contestants. Miss Universe needs to go back to the old formula, and forget about all of this p.c. bull crap. (NT) -- sick and tired, 19:40:09 12/09/19 Mon You may not believe this but I am a moderate Democrat and I agree with what Pearl said. Pageants are not fun anymore-- they are an extension of the "Everybody gets a trophy" mentality. Why can't the best person win? Why do these girls have to be on Meet The Press all the time. We also don't need 3 hours when we barely need two. In the rush to make everything "relevant" the bigwigs have ruined pageants! (NT) -- ah diversity., 20:17:06 12/09/19 Mon What's hard to believe about that? We are Democrats, we are reasonable people (NT) -- JN, 20:25:58 12/09/19 Mon This is so funny! Ironically Miss A is now being run by "conservatives", they have denied the press (sound familiar), eliminated SS and turned it into speech fest. (NT) -- LOL, get real honey, 20:03:31 12/09/19 Mon I think it's more like Miss America is being run by feminists not necessarily conservatives. (NT) -- ah diversity., 20:50:24 12/09/19 Mon Um, I'm a liberal and I hate what MU has turned into. You CAN showcase women's intelligence, diversity and heart without having to turn these pageants into some SJW crap. It's tiring to watch now. (NT) -- JN, 20:13:00 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: DEAR THAILAND: You Know what to do.
Author: KiwiGuy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:06:45 12/09/19 Mon Last edited by author: Mon December 09, 2019 02:09:45 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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WHO IS SHE? -- delilah, 19:38:15 12/09/19 Mon She looks Colombian. Can I say that? (NT) -- eloise, 19:56:07 12/09/19 Mon Praveena Singh, half-Thai, half-Indian. Competed in 2018 at MUThailand. The Thais made sure she didn't win because they don't like Indians (NT) -- JN, 20:20:40 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: R:::O:::B:::B:::E:::D
Author: MU_Critic [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:32:51 12/08/19 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thailand didnt sparkle. She is pretty but she just didnt shine. So i wouldnt say she was robbed. (NT) -- Poll, 01:45:22 12/09/19 Mon France definitely should have made top 5! So robbed! Although the gown wasn�t the prettiest, her face was stunning!! As for Thailand, she didn�t ace the final question which is very unfortunate. The momentum was with her and she certainly could�ve been Thailand�s third Miss Universe. I liked her facially though. (NT) -- Samuel, 02:09:57 12/09/19 Mon France has the huge franchise fee... but she would be difficult to market for the MU org with their diversity agenda... Thailand rocked the EG. Unfortunately everytme she spoke today, it just sounded like she's a regular girl doing one more gig... nothing bad per se but could have been better prepared. Zozibini was really helped by not having Ireland in and USA's unfortunate hairdo at EG and Dom. Republic looking too much like a teen queen. I would have loved to see Birta Abiba vs. Zozibini in top 5... Birta seems great in interview and has that flowy vibe and she would have been as marketable as Zozibini.. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 02:23:40 12/09/19 Mon To be fair, South Africa was facially prettier than USA. If USA did make it top 5/3, I think she would have given her a hard time but she wouldn�t overcome her. (NT) -- Samuel, 02:33:55 12/09/19 Mon For me, Thailand's answer was no worse than PR's "such as" and Mexico's rambling. None of the Top 5 hit the ball out of the park with their answers, so Thailand's exclusion to me was robbery since this is supposed to be a beauty pageant and Top 5 question is merely one factor in the overall assessment of a delegate. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 07:57:55 12/09/19 Mon That's the point this is not a beauty pageant. It's a platform, sob story, fat girl /gay/diversity television special. (NT) -- Test, 08:11:38 12/09/19 Mon If it was a beauty pageant most certainly (NT) -- South star, 09:33:55 12/09/19 Mon Not really (for me obv). France did not project as well and Thailand was too kittenish. Thailand was my prediction winner but she kinda turned me off. (NT) -- eloise, 15:29:16 12/09/19 Mon I agree on France. She had the face but something about her in both SS and Gown was off. Thailand was kittenish but it worked for her. I think in 2016 or 2017 she would have won. But she also has to have eye surgery and I doubt Miss Universe woudl have given her 6 months off. (NT) -- Test, 16:43:13 12/09/19 Mon I forgot about the eye thing. She looked fabulous so she made it easy to forget. (NT) -- eloise, 17:45:44 12/09/19 Mon I'm actually so impressed that she managed to go on that stage with just ONE contact lens! I lose one of mine for 10 minutes and I get dizzy! (NT) -- Doh, 19:41:42 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: WTF?? So Philippines is the national costume winner??
Author: Samuel [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:34:27 12/09/19 Mon Wtf is going on?? So did Steve got it right and MUO messed up?? Why was Malaysia presenting her costume then?? Wtf? That�s an insult to Miss Malaysia! And I didn�t think Philippines should�ve won the award. MUO is really pushing it, wildcard for her and now best national costume. WTF! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It�s won by online voting. So... (NT) -- Remember in the 2000s when PH and PR almost always win photogenic due to online votes?, 01:41:19 12/09/19 Mon Steve read the teleprompter, whiich is exactly what he was instructed to do. Why Miss Malaysia was substituted needs to be explained by IMG, and not Steve Harvey. Harvey was just doing his job. (NT) -- pageantpearl, 17:26:17 12/09/19 Mon A photo of a silver outfit flashed up when he announced it. They shouldn�t blame him!! (NT) -- JJ, 19:04:18 12/09/19 Mon Take note how easy it was to try to pass an award. MUO wanted to give Philippines a thank you award so they gave her the best Nat�l Costume distinction. BUT...they forgot Philippines had not yet been eliminated from the top20 when they required the winner to begin putting on the costume. Quick transfer to Malaysia as the 2nd choice for the thanks for coming out better luck next time sorry about the floor award but then they forgot to change the prompter. Losers. (NT) -- eloise, 17:34:22 12/09/19 Mon Myanmar was the one that came out and it got her no where. LOL. She should have jsut kept her mouth shut. But you are right, something is not right. Everything is placed down to the second so they knew the National Costume was going to be there. So somewhere production scrwed up. (NT) -- Test, 17:41:32 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Will a man ever be allowed to be a judge at Miss Universe ever again?
Author: A MAN [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:22:42 12/09/19 Mon If not, then I would file a lawsuit for discrimination. Because that's just bullshit. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Both Miss USA and Miss Universe have not had any male judges, ever since IMG took over. I would file a lawsuit. (NT) -- discrimination, is discrimination, 17:25:02 12/09/19 Mon Men make better judges, because they vote based on physical beauty. Women are catty, and always vote based on "popularity." (NT) -- truth, 17:26:13 12/09/19 Mon Which is why DR was cut. A male panel would have been attracted her to her attitude but a group of women, smelled FEAR! Women dont select competition, they select someone who would be their best friend. Men select on physical attributes and nothing more. (NT) -- Test, 17:33:15 12/09/19 Mon Sex discrimination works both ways. (NT) -- pageantpearl, 17:27:22 12/09/19 Mon Honestly? Males are better judges of female beauty than females are. They are looking at completely different things. (NT) -- truth.com, 17:33:07 12/09/19 Mon That's my point exactly! IMG/MUO are sexually discriminating against men. They want a push a feminist agenda which half the country and most of the world rejects. The pageant needs male and female judges. (NT) -- pageantpearl, 17:51:13 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Miss Universe is becoming Miss America
Author: I hate it [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:31:22 12/09/19 Mon I'm so sick of this P.C. Miss Universe. South Africa would never have been crowned in the 80's or 90's. She just isn't facially beautiful. If you look at who has been crowned in the past few years... DeShauna, Kara McCullough...etc. It seems like it'a all about choosing the politically correct "winner" now, instead of the most deserving person. So many contestants didn't belong in this year's top 20. Indonesia, Albania, Puerto Rico, Thailand, South Africa, etc. It seems that the pageant has become so United States centric. All of the extra speaking parts and interviews are geared towards being able to speak ENGLISH. Miss Universe never used to be that way. I thought I was watching a Miss USA pageant last night. Nearly all of the top 20 spoke perfect English, and I think that's not fair. Miss Universe is supposed to celebrate international diversity, rather than being so AMERICAN. If you didn't know any better, you would think that Thailand, Albania, Nigeria, Puerto Rico, and Indonesia were all AMERICAN. Nearly every interview was conducted in English. France, Vietnam,and Peru didn't stand a CHANCE. Not only that, but what in the hell is with the ALL FEMALE JUDGES???? So men are no longer allowed to be included in the panels? That's discrimination!!! With this #metoo and #timesup bullshit, now MEN are no longer capable of being fair judges? Only women can be "fair?" This is why we ended up with South Africa as Miss Universe. All female judges, English language bias, and no longer a focus on beauty. It's all about this b.s. "Miss America" type of "social justice" platforms. So it's like these women create b.s. non-profits to boost their Miss Universe "resumes" in order to impress the judges. I am SO SICK OF THIS!!!! I hate Donald Trump, but at least he knew that Miss Universe first and foremost was about beauty. Now, it's no longer about beauty. It's about being politically correct, and telling some stupid sob-story, so that the judges feel sorry for you. What a JOKE. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The judges are also not diverse. There used to be a mix of male and female judges from all over the world. Now it's all American women and English speaking women. (NT) -- what a joke, 15:33:16 12/09/19 Mon So true. If there were men on the panel, they would have voted for the MOST BEAUTIFUL, and not the person with the sob story. (NT) -- TRUTH, 15:34:03 12/09/19 Mon I thought some of these women were American? Puerto Rico, Iceland, Thailand and Mexica all sounded very American. (NT) -- Were they not?, 15:39:04 12/09/19 Mon Mexico and Iceland DID NOT sound American. It was Thailand, Nigeria, Albania, and Puerto Rico who sounded American. You could never even tell they were from another country. It was like watching Miss USA. (NT) -- Sucks ass... no longer Miss Universe., 15:49:37 12/09/19 Mon My word, three hours of speeches, lectures,and political correctness agendas. I'm so over it. I'm a victim, you're a victim, everyone's a victim, and it's all your fault. I said the winner would be a black girl. I said Miss Universe is turning into Miss America. The Miss America fans now are loving Miss Universe because it's the pageant they wished they had, and not the fiasco they have now. It's only going to get worse as long as IMG is in control and Paula is their little puppet. (NT) -- was a fan, 16:01:06 12/09/19 Mon Now you know why they even put a Miss America in as a judge. They're trying to turn Miss Universe, into Miss America. I hate it!!! That's why you ended up with a good speaker, rather than the most beautiful woman. (NT) -- "I'm black and no one thinks I'm beautiful. That's why I should win." WTF????, 16:04:52 12/09/19 Mon That was her gimmick. It seems you have to have the right gimmick in order to win. "No one looks like me" , really? Demi-Leigh had her gimmick. "I was hi-jacked and fought them off". Was there a police report? Best sob stories and gimmicks win! (NT) -- was a fan, 16:17:04 12/09/19 Mon I'm still shocked that South Africa won because she basically said, "I'm black and no one thinks I'm beautiful. That's why I should be crowned the winner." WTF???? Miss USA is black. Miss Teen USA is black. Miss USA 2016 and Miss USA 2017 was black. Miss Universe 2011 was black. What in the HELL are you talking about??? (NT) -- Such bullshit., 16:31:47 12/09/19 Mon That is where I am confused. She said no one looks like her in South Africa, that is a lie. Perhaps she meant no one that has previously won her national title looks lie her, but I think that is a lie. I have seen some of the most stunning dark skinned women in South Africa and other parts of the world. But she aint it! She played the race card on American soil and it worked in her favor. (NT) -- Test, 16:36:51 12/09/19 Mon The new Miss Universe has a square face. (NT) -- SQUARE, 17:24:03 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Who runs Miss Universe?
Author: Test [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:12:05 12/09/19 Mon We know that Paula Shuggart is the President of Miss Universe and IMG owns the pageant but who is in charge? Who the person/people who have allowed Miss Universe to become Miss America? I can accept Miss USA and the diversity crap but this is Miss Universe! While Miss World is horrific, they still manage to get the most beautiful women in the world and crown stunning winners. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It is IMG and their extreme kumbayah diversity agenda, think Halima Aden in times where women in Muslim World are often forced to wear hijab.. The perfect example of it is Steve Harvey, a man that has over these five years got near universal disapproval. I wish they would see the pageant as the last five years were disappointing... maybe not in terms of winners, but in terms of bad productions, left wing agenda being pushed down our throughts and sob stories. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 17:22:34 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: lol C+
Author: eloise [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:51:28 12/09/19 Mon Bye, Steve Harvey! He was giving all of us his middle finger last night. Whatever he needs to do as long as he gets lost. I loved the stage. Lmao Ally Brooke can not sing live. I like her songs though. Learning to communicate in English is crucial. Dom Rep wins Miss You Only Want To See At Parties. Philippines wins Miss Over-prepared. Her team is Making Pageants Patty Again. What a mess. Loved the jokesters last night (NOT Steve Harvey). Really wanted Iceland to win for a good 20 minutes. Croatia was a nice surprise. She was in and out of my list. So was Peru. Portugal, not so much. Miss India started a non-profit to land a Vogue cover. No points. Am I the only one who lol�d at USA almost flunking kindergarten? I don�t remember kindergarten and I don�t have a child so I don�t know. Can you fail play and sleep time? Thailand opening her speech with �I�m just an ordinary person�, doubled with her bunny tail wiggle...yah, ok. That really started an unrelatable moment for me. I was glad she finally got cut. Mexico wins Miss Sweetest Thing. She seemed like such a nice girl. I was happy she went right to the top. PR was very good. She had the fire. I love that SA won. She was the most eloquent and more importantly, the most natural at keeping on her A-Game. She packed the showstopper dresses too. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yea USA opening statement was odd. Of all the failures she could have mentioned kindergarten was left field. USA was off last night. She easily won SS (at least I think) but she ended the night looking like a Miss America contestant from 1997. Whoever styled her she be fired. Shandi and Susie lay claim to her, are they at fault? (NT) -- Test, 16:33:40 12/09/19 Mon I just remembered who Miss USA looked like last night LOL. Elizabeth Coxe Miss LA USA 1995 LOL LOL LOL (NT) -- Test, 17:07:35 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: My Miss Universe grade card
Author: PF-Indy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:30:32 12/09/19 Mon OPENING: It was basically just Steve Harvey rambling for 10 minutes. The jokes are getting old. It was fine in 2016 but it has been dragged out long enough. Please get a new host for 2020. TOP 20: I was hoping the rumor was true the regional choices had expired. Please, end this in 2020. Nobody likes it. Brazil was a favorite I never got. I was also surprised Nigeria made it. I thought Kenya and Tanzania were stronger Africans than her. Iceland was a pleasant surprise. I thought Portugal was stunning but I didn�t think her interview and statement was that strong. Overall, I was pretty content with the top 20. Grade B TOP 10 / SWIMSUIT: I pretty much expected the ones that made it to go through. I would have switched Colombia with India. I hated the stage for swimsuit. It just seemed so strange. South Africa was my winner in this round. She seemed so confident and poised. I also wasn�t that impressed with the swimsuits either. But at least nobody fell and it made the stage look not so bad after that terrible prelim stage. Grade: C+ GOWN: My favorite gown was Thailand. Puerto Rico was my second favorite. Although I liked South Africa�s prelim gown better I thought her finals gown was amazing too. I wonder why they repeated the songs from 1996 Miss Teen USA. I mean, if they were going to get someone else to sing (who actually couldn�t sing) they could at least had more current music. I wasn�t crazy about that. But I loved how the stage was set with the trees. It looked so much better than swimsuit. Overall, I was pleased with the gown selections except for a couple. I had Iceland third, but her swimsuit presentation wasn�t that strong. Grade B TOP 5: I was disappointed France didn�t get into the top 5. I thought she was the most facially beautiful contestant this year. I would put her in instead of Colombia. I thought South Africa was the strongest in the top 5 questions. After that answer I was pretty sure she was winning unless she completely screwed up her final word answer. Thailand was probably the weakest for me which was shocking as I was expecting her to be in the final 2 before the questions. Grade: B- TOP 3: Even though I was expecting Thailand to miss the top 3 it was still kind of shocking she actually failed to advance. But based on the top 5 selected I thought the top 3 made sense. I had Mexico first in the final word, and thought for a moment Mexico could possibly have their third Miss Universe. South Africa answered well too, and Puerto Rico�s answer was ok but didn�t stand out as much as the other two. In the closing statement I thought South Africa answered the best, followed by Mexico and then Puerto Rico. I think having them talk twice is just too much. Just stick with the final word. It makes no sense to call it the final word if they are going to talk again. Grade: B CROWNING: I was pretty sure sure Mexico or South Africa had it (hoping for the latter.) I was shocked Mexico got second runner up. I thought for sure it was Puerto Rico. At this point I knew South Africa had to be the winner, I was very pleased she did. She might not be the most facially beautiful winner but she was amazing on stage. She was very collected and regal that made her stand out over the others. Congratulations South Africa for your third top 2 placement and second Miss Universe in three years. OVERALL GRADE: B- Next year please ditch the regions, hopefully no more Steve Harvey. Please have a better venue for these contestants. They travel so far and prepare so much, they deserve so much better than what they got this year. Last edited by author: Mon December 09, 2019 17:42:05 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I thought Mexico had it too but unfortunately she just talked too much, about a lot of the same things, and her script became evident. That cost her. (NT) -- Less is more at that point, 13:41:10 12/09/19 Mon Here is the problem. If they ditch regions, Europe would not get a single entry with the exception of the here and there France, Kosovo, Albania. They really need the regions now to support why black girls keep winning. In their mind, its equal shot but its not. Just like Miss World, the winner was already chosen. They knew they wanted a black girl. At least it wasnt USA. (NT) -- Test, 17:06:32 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Deshauna is funny asf. LOL
Author: KiwiGuy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04:23:51 12/09/19 Mon View this post on Instagram A post shared by The Empowerment Queen 💛🐩💙 (@deshaunabarber) on Dec 8, 2019 at 6:53pm PST View this post on Instagram A post shared by The Empowerment Queen 💛🐩💙 (@deshaunabarber) on Dec 8, 2019 at 6:44pm PST View this post on Instagram A post shared by The Empowerment Queen 💛🐩💙 (@deshaunabarber) on Dec 8, 2019 at 7:10pm PST [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Sounds a little like the reaction to the OJ verdict 25 years ago. PS: Barber said on YT when Cheslie won, "She's the sh t". For a former to use that kind of vulgarity in a public forum just shows you where pop culture has taken us. (NT) -- ah diversity., 06:11:40 12/09/19 Mon When was the last time a black woman won Miss Universe anyway? -- Kayla, 06:21:33 12/09/19 Mon Leila Lopes, 2011. And a very much deserved win by the way. (NT) -- JN, 06:36:35 12/09/19 Mon From the sound of the video above and all the "Miss Universe looks like me!" chants, I'd think never (NT) -- Fan, 07:16:54 12/09/19 Mon You say funny af. I say obnoxious af. (NT) -- Name, 07:15:43 12/09/19 Mon Just read the ShadeRoom comments and tell me this is good for our country. I am a minority woman. Never in my life have I felt better because someone who looked like me achieved something great. To me, it�s very narrow minded. Like she could only be happy if someone who looked like her won. And who�s causing the division in this country again? (NT) -- If everyone�s racist, no ones racist, 07:22:08 12/09/19 Mon �Rooting for everyone black.� Thanks Deshauna- now we know you really are as angry as you looked during your reign (NT) -- Sad., 07:42:23 12/09/19 Mon "Don't nobody call me". Holy Moly what a piece of trash. (NT) -- ah diversity., 07:48:14 12/09/19 Mon Deshauna is like Jammie Crawford. Pro Black. It's nothing wrong with that but do not get mad when white girls win! (NT) -- Test, 08:10:02 12/09/19 Mon "Miss Universe looks like me!" Apparently, Miss Universe doesn't look like anyone since that was the slogan she was cramming down our throats all night. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 08:16:05 12/09/19 Mon LMAO! She should be supporting Miss USA! Anyhow, if she wanted to look like Miss Universs, she certainly could�ve BEEN Miss Universe but she started the Miss USA fails to advance to top 5 trend!! USA is in its fourth straight year without top 5 placement! (NT) -- Samuel, 14:22:26 12/09/19 Mon they throw some shade at Shandi Finnesey at some point. Like PR should be 1st RU cuz she looks like a typical 1st RU. (NT) -- KiwiGuy, 15:45:51 12/09/19 Mon She sounds so GHETTO. And really angry. (NT) -- Not a fan, 15:47:26 12/09/19 Mon Just another ANGRY BLACK WOMAN. (NT) -- No surprise there., 15:50:18 12/09/19 Mon Angry black women are taking over the pageant. (NT) -- Everything is so p.c. now. BRING BACK DONALD TRUMP!, 15:50:58 12/09/19 Mon I would not say angry black women but they are taking over. There is no excuse that Miss USA, Miss Universe, Miss America, and Miss Teen USA are all black. I am black but where does diversity draw the line? And Miss Universe is not black girl magic, she is ugly girl magic. (NT) -- Test, 16:48:51 12/09/19 Mon I always knew that DeShauna was a racist bitch. She never should have been Miss USA. Hawaii would have been so much better, and she actually would have placed higher at Miss Universe. Maybe even have won Miss Universe. DeShauna won because she had a gimmick - she was in the military. Big deal. She was still ugly. (NT) -- I hate her., 15:58:48 12/09/19 Mon Not at all surprised, actually expected this behavior. (NT) -- ghrtt3, 16:07:40 12/09/19 Mon At last year's Miss America, one of the judges worked for The Root ( an online self described "Afrocentric" journal). In today's edition there is an article entitled, "Black girl magic does it again!". And this type of rah rah rah bigotry is not only tolerated, it's encouraged.. (NT) -- ah diversity., 16:13:15 12/09/19 Mon racism is okay, if you're black. (NT) -- welcome to miss usa/miss universe 2019, 16:16:01 12/09/19 Mon AfroCentric? How is that any worse than say, the Italian American club in my hometown? And thanks for the tip, checked out "The Root" and it's great infotainment for Black Americans and anyone else with black friends, co-workers or (eek) family members. Man, Steven Miller must be your personal hero. (NT) -- Ah, racist bigot., 16:20:01 12/09/19 Mon The difference is that Italian is a nationality, not a race. You can be black and be Miss Italy for example-and some have (NT) -- ah diversity., 16:34:00 12/09/19 Mon I was disappointed that even Olivia Culpo said, "I'm rooting for South Africa." She needs to just shut her mouth and be impartial. (NT) -- So over it., 16:17:27 12/09/19 Mon Olivia just seemed like a plant. I do not beleive anything that came out of her mouth last night. (NT) -- Test, 16:47:06 12/09/19 Mon I called Miss Universe 2013 a man and my comment gets deleted. But the racist comments thos past 24 hours gets to stay up. (NT) -- ., 16:24:00 12/09/19 Mon What racist comments? The only thing that's racist on here are the comments by a former Miss USA. (NT) -- ah diversity., 16:36:15 12/09/19 Mon I don't find DeShauna funny, at all. I think she's horribly racist. (NT) -- Hate her., 16:33:10 12/09/19 Mon She's not funny. Like most Black people they think they're the only people who have been enslaved, oppressed, and mistreated in life. The Jews had the holocaust, the Native Americans had their lands taken away and were given reservation land. The Mexicans and Spanish people also had their land taken away in the American southwest by state and federal government. Yet, the Black people are the loudest protesters so the must be the worst off. In their minds, the louder we are the better we get what's ours, and everybody must agree or their racist. Because only they can call someone racist without being racist themselves. (NT) -- was a fan, 16:51:16 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: A Tragic Night!
Author: Test [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:08:49 12/08/19 Sun Something seemed off about this pageant. Let's start with Olivia and Vanessa. What exactly was the point of both of them? Vanessa did good but Olivia had the enthusiasm of a house plant. Dare i say I miss Lu Sierra! Surprising Steve Harvey was good. Kudos! The evening gown competition was exceptional. Loved the stage and music. Selena English songs are bae! But that women singing was horrendous. The music director needed to be fired. They could have hired a American idol rip off and did better. Is this no longer a beauty pageant? I'm confused because the lines between Miss USA, Miss Universe and Miss America are starting to blur. How does the most facially unattractive woman win the most prestigious title in the universe? Miss Teen USA is on its deathbed. 3 black winners and all questionable. Actually 4 black winners if you include Miss America. I am black but I am sick and tired of Diversity. No one cares. I could care less that you are bald headed. That is by choice! I do not want to hear sob stories. I do not care that you are a champion of gay rights. This is ridiculous! Wth happened to USA? Her gown and styling was atrocious. More to come. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I bet the girls are packing and ready to get the hell out of dodge. ATL. lol. I would be like South Africa 2012, she left on a private plane as soon as the pageant was over. (NT) -- Test, 23:21:13 12/08/19 Sun I'm sure Farouk Shami is thrilled that SA won. She can sell so many of his cheap hair care products. lol (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:26:11 12/08/19 Sun I'm sure Farouk Shami is thrilled that SA won. She can help sell so many of his cheap hair care products with her long locks. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:26:41 12/08/19 Sun Lol!!! They have Miss Teen USA on their channel promoting curl products. I am sure he has something for bald headed women. But explain to me how she can be a spokesman for hair? She has none lol (NT) -- Test, 23:31:37 12/08/19 Sun Actually she has a butch mannish cut. (NT) -- ah diversity., 23:33:59 12/08/19 Sun Doesn't that choreographer have the same cut? Lol. And Esther Rolle (Ala Esther Swan). (NT) -- Test, 23:35:43 12/08/19 Sun Video on Miss Universe page. Esther does not have short hair. But the back of Miss Universe head is a mess. She has a kitchen. If you are black you know what we talking about lol (NT) -- Test, 23:52:21 12/08/19 Sun Fadil managed to pull about 10-15 ladies for special Chi shoots that they will use until the next round of USA and Universe delegates come around. (NT) -- Pay attention folks, some of you act like IMG's MO hasn't been ovbious for years now, 12:53:34 12/09/19 Mon Woops, meant Farouk (NT) -- Fadil made like a cameo only this year, probably because Albania was so strong, 15:09:50 12/09/19 Mon Great concise review! 3 hours is too damn long! Olivia Culpo's babbling like she was talking to her school mates in Grade 8 was pointless. BRING BACK LU! The Ariana Grande knock-off hard a hard time singing in her lower register but the EG segment was lovely overall. MUO is going through an identity crisis. When Gretchen Carlson turned last year's Miss America pageant into a platform speaking tournament, MUO had a great opportunity to serve as a foil. Instead, they bowed to the whim of the ultra left and are now pandering to snowflakes by promoting victim culture every chance they can get. I'm so glad FRANCE and PORTUGAL made funny Top 20 speeches among a sea of empowerment monologues. I thought USA was headed to victory until she stepped out in EG. She didn't "Dress for Success". (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:22:27 12/08/19 Sun Raise your hand if you felt victimized by MUO lol. But honestly I agree. I enjoyed the girls who were funny far more. And def thought USA had it in the bag until she came out in gown (NT) -- South star, 23:26:51 12/08/19 Sun Yes. As funny as it sounds, I do not understand why pandering to extreme left wing diversity agenda was chosen as the way to go. I presume this has a lot to do with New York media market. I wonder how many of these girls are really conservatives and only play a game. Unfortunately the culture of being an eternal victim has spread out and nowadays you need to use that card. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 23:32:49 12/08/19 Sun Maybe the actual MUO office was just fed up with self-righteous condescending Bible Belt thumpers and arrogant, xenophobic Latinos who think the world revolves around Latin America alone. Can't imagine what they must be like to work with on a daily basis. (NT) -- Love reading Latin fans beg for Trump back because his focus was truly on external beauty at least. Locos!, 12:58:38 12/09/19 Mon Of the last four winners only Kaleigh deserved it. She was the clear winner---just radiant. The others no way. (NT) -- ah diversity., 23:22:55 12/08/19 Sun Youre an idiot take racist behind on and grow up devil -- wtf, 23:25:41 12/08/19 Sun Another note. 90 countries. What is the point of about 60 of them competing? With the exception of South Africa who pays one of the highest franchise fees, they get no love. Europe, this poor continent. They need to drop out. Even with dedicated spots they still get eliminated at top 10. I think for them it's language though Albania spoke perfect English. In the Americas, with the exception of a handful of counties its no point in any others showing up. Fire Paula Shuggart up next. (NT) -- Test, 23:29:49 12/08/19 Sun Croatia was so dang beautiful too and Belgium. You think if countries boycotted MUO would change? (NT) -- South star, 23:31:19 12/08/19 Sun They did in 2015 which resulted in France win. I think the regions is to give more opportunity to the African and European nations but it does not help. (NT) -- Test, 23:33:06 12/08/19 Sun I thought Croatia was vying for the crown after I heard her speak in Top 20. She got the empowerment memo and memorized her talking points well. I wish she had kept her hair up to showcase her stunning face, though. Surprised she was axed. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:35:20 12/08/19 Sun Right! I don�t understand it. (NT) -- South star, 23:43:03 12/08/19 Sun Part II: Another oddity. What was up with Cat? She seemed uninteresting. She wasn't even mentioned until almost 1.5 into the show. And her final walk was horrendous as was the gown. She seemed like she is ready to go home. (NT) -- Test, 23:39:45 12/08/19 Sun I was about to ask who was Cat. Thinks it�s time to log off for good lol (NT) -- South star, 23:42:11 12/08/19 Sun They should rename her final walk to "final steps". She literally had nowhere to go in the 6 feet of stage space they allowed her to move on and she couldn't walk properly in that blue bird dress that she kept flaunting the back of for some bizarre reason. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:44:04 12/08/19 Sun Yea that gown was wrong for the stage. But it's like the material on the inside was too stiff she honestly looked horrible . Maybe she was on her period and bloated? (NT) -- Test, 23:46:07 12/08/19 Sun I loved Aly when she was in Fifth Harmony but she embarrassed herself last night trying to rip classic Selena songs off. She sounded almost tone deaf. Plus, I didn't even know Aly was trying to go for the whole solo career. Honey, you're not Camila or Normani. Sorry/Not sorry -- Kayla, 06:37:36 12/09/19 Mon And yes Olivia looked bored as hell. She was clearly only there for the paycheck let's be real. She couldn't care less about MUO anymore. She's a full blown Sports Illustrated model now. I still to this day don't get her win. I did get it at Miss USA but not Miss Universe. She had the worst stiff walk ever. -- Kayla, 06:39:32 12/09/19 Mon Olivia, Steve and the outgoing MU did not seem like they wanted to be there (NT) -- South star, 12:59:02 12/09/19 Mon It was in a dumpy warehouse in the middle of the Deep South in a room full of screaming Puerto Rican, Colombian, Mexican, and Filipino queens smattered with some bad Selena covers. I heard there weren't any bathrooms onsite either. (NT) -- Who in their right mind would want to be there?, 13:07:04 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Pageant Recap
Author: Doot [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:59:25 12/09/19 Mon PRODUCTION I was not crazy about the long, narrow stage. It was especially awkward for EG and SS, and I missed having a runway. The entertainment was generally pretty bad in my opinion, especially the singer during EG. Yikes. INTRO/OPENING I was so sorry they went back to 3 hours. It was obvious that they were trying to fill out the time, but I wish they had done that by letting all the contestants introduce themselves rather than having Steve Harvey ramble on. His opening monologue was sort of embarrassing. TOP 20 I thought it was a very good Top 20. (I predicted 15 of 20!) It seems like contestants who had the same general style or look did indeed cancel each other out, so that only one got in. The only real surprises for me in the Top 20 were Nigeria and Portugal. I would have preferred to see Kenya and Bangladesh instead. OPENING STATEMENTS Last year, I really didn't like the opening statements, but it felt better for some reason this year. It seems a bit weird to cut 50% of the contestants based on this, though, since it really just comes down to how well they can deliver a memorized speech. TOP 10 Again, I thought it was a reasonable Top 10. I was surprised India and Philippines were not there. (It made sense that they got cut based on the speeches, but I figured the judges would pass them through regardless.) SS and EG These felt a bit rushed, which is insane considering they had 3 hours! The main thing that stands out to me a day later is that I remember thinking PR looked awesome in EG. I thought she had it in the bag at that point. But she seemed too patty and over the top for my liking, so I'm glad that was not the case. Also loved South Africa's gown. FINAL 5/3/1 I was so sorry that France didn't make the Top 5. The surprise for me all night was how Mexico kept advancing. She was perfectly fine, and I liked her in the Top 20, but didn't imagine her advancing so far. As for the final results, I love SA. I think she is a very worthy winner. She was never my absolute top pic, but I always had her in my top 3 or 4. And I was her sibling in the Mock USB pageant ;-) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I was not that crazy about the stage as well. However, it didn�t seem too bad after what they had to walk on in prelims. (NT) -- PF-Indy, 12:41:42 12/09/19 Mon I thought Harvey did his best last night, except for those cartel jokes (yeah, let's not stereotype Colombians whose forgiveness he was supposedly seeking). Still don't wonder how they filled 3 hours considering they had no promo clips of Atlanta or the ladies at any events. Methinks the closing statement was another way to kill time. (NT) -- And I'm sorry for Selena to have her legacy mangled like that last night, 12:42:34 12/09/19 Mon The pageant was the opening and closing statements and interview everything else was filler including gown. I wasn�t fond of the top 3 but after they cut down to 10 I realized that�s who the top 3 would be. But pre-img the same would not have made it to top 5. The stage was ok it was just odd the walking was sideways. (NT) -- South star, 12:48:02 12/09/19 Mon I liked that there was some dancing involved during the opening. However, I did not appreciate how long Steve Harvey's opening monologue was. Like cmon, this is not his show!!!! Another thing I also did not appreciate is how long it took to announce the freaking top 20!!!! I wish they ditch the opening statement. If they want to continue with this top 20 thing, let all of them compete in Swimsuit. MU2006 had a top 20 and all of them competed and yet the telecast was still just 2 hours. Then cut to 10 and let the 10 compete for evening gown. Or better yet, let both rounds have the top 20 compete. The top 5 having all the speeches is fine. A final common question is also fine. But to have another speech round at the end??? My gosh, we are not looking for the President of the United States. We are looking for a Miss Universe. (NT) -- Poll, 13:27:47 12/09/19 Mon Nice read. PS, Siera B said the vibe was off last night. Flat seating in the warehouse apparently was awful. If you wanted to see what was going on, you had to look at the giant screen that was behind everybody facing front. I guess the screen you had to look at was for the ppl seating behind the stage. The energy didn�t really pick-up until later. (NT) -- eloise, 15:02:30 12/09/19 Mon Flat seating is the worst, especially when all the fans are up on their feet screaming and shouting. (NT) -- They all looked so cramped on TV, 15:06:50 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: The burning question... who will continue to watch and follow?
Author: South star [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:33:00 12/09/19 Mon I for one will not sit through another �political debate� women empowerment I can do both show. It�s just not the same pageant. If you can even call it a pageant lol Also expect MUO to charge for teen USA now. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Then I suggest you shouldn't watch the Miss America pageant on December 19th because I can guarantee you that it's going to be a two-hour talk fest (no SS no Gowns) where diversity and empowerment will be mentioned at least 50 times (NT) -- ah diversity., 09:40:33 12/09/19 Mon Watched miss America once. Never watched again for that reason. BORING (NT) -- South star, 09:43:07 12/09/19 Mon Oh gosh, I can't imagine how that show will be. MU with its opening and closing statement already feels like a burden. What more an entire show? Oh maybe we will be entertained by the talent portion? Who am I kidding? It will be a snoozefest fosho. (NT) -- Poll, 13:32:16 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Top 10
Author: Doot [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:47:38 12/08/19 Sun USA Colombia Puerto Rico South Africa Peru Iceland France Indonesia Thailand Mexico No huge surprises in the Top 10, although I'm surprised India and Philippines are not there. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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This was called TOTALLY in order (NT) -- eloise, 20:48:55 12/08/19 Sun Ps, Philippines was abysmal even I, a huge fan, cut her. India wasnt any better. Surprised about albania. (NT) -- eloise, 20:52:25 12/08/19 Sun Yeah, based on how they did tonight, I'm not surprised India and Philippines got cut. But I'm surprised more in a "Ruthie" sense (i.e., I would have expected them to be there before the pageant began). -- Doot, 21:00:13 12/08/19 Sun Not a beauty pageant anymore (NT) -- Just speaking and whatever MUO wants to market, 20:50:29 12/08/19 Sun Not too surprised about Philippines. She was patty but in a way that does not suit her personality... a bit like it suited MJ Lastimosa or Chaney Painter. Mentioning Leo di Caprio was.a mistake for India. I am surprised they picked Peru (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 20:50:33 12/08/19 Sun MJ was horrible.The issue with Gazina was that she was a robot. To all the other previous winners, at least they were relatable in some capacity. (NT) -- Test, 20:59:12 12/08/19 Sun Oh gosh, MJ is the least appealing among the Philippines placers. I think it is sacrilege to even compare her and Gazini. Gazini is at least attractive. (NT) -- Pool, 01:37:19 12/09/19 Mon My point is that MJ just looked natural and fabulous in all of her pattiness.... while Gazini seems to have been overcoached and her presentation was really overbaked in both today and in prelims with that gown. In terms of outer beauty, I agree Gazini us better looking. But the queens coaching Gazini shokld have known better, so much unnecessary PATTY GOO in there. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 01:46:29 12/09/19 Mon Lol!!!! I love how you put fabulous and pattiness in one sentence. Puerto Rico was oozing with pattiness too. I hated it when she kept on looking at the camera before the announcement of the winner. I feel like she wants to make sure the camera would get her reaction when her name is called as the winner. In most of these cases, the last two standing women would talk to each other or just shut up and hope and pray to have their country called. I am no PR hater. I actually thought she is a strong contender and possible winner when she was crowned. However, she went way too patty tonight...and I didn�t see it as fabulosa. (NT) -- Poll, 02:14:11 12/09/19 Mon Yes. Too Joyce Giraudy for my taste. (NT) -- HaetPlusSeksi, 02:33:13 12/09/19 Mon India has to come stronger now. They need a story to go with the voice. I am sad Albania did not get in. I wanted to see her gown. (NT) -- Test, 20:52:07 12/08/19 Sun The issue with India is the girls who win are generally from affluent families. They don't have stories about being victims and most of their charity work and platforms start when they win their national titles only a few months prior to competing at Miss Universe. India is toast. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:24:13 12/08/19 Sun And most of the Miss India winners end up attempting Bollywood careers anyway. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 22:50:44 12/08/19 Sun Hope last 2 standing are France and Peru. (NT) -- ghrtt3, 20:58:00 12/08/19 Sun PHILIPPINES is so much prettier on tv. Such a shame her speech wasn't up to par. INDIA, another beauty, needed more of a platform. I'm rooting for FRANCE. What a breadth of fresh air, who can joke around, face plant, and look simply stunning. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 20:58:20 12/08/19 Sun For me the strongest in SS were: USA, France, Columbia, and Iceland -- Kayla, 20:59:05 12/08/19 Sun I totally dislike a delegate like Mexico or especially Collmbia. I find them conservative and pu in because of Telemundo. MX I understand a bit but Colombia... I never will. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 21:03:03 12/08/19 Sun I forgot about Telemundo. In Trump era at this point, it would be PR, Colombia, or Mexico to loose. If Mexico makes it to the final 3, I really think she could pull an upset. (NT) -- Test, 21:06:40 12/08/19 Sun Mexico is definitely the sleeping dragon. I don't like her looks at all but if she makes Top 3 you know she isn't gonna go down without a fight. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:08:05 12/08/19 Sun Yes!! She definitely was the sleeping dragon haha. So was South Africa! (NT) -- Samuel, 23:00:16 12/08/19 Sun With Telemundo being back, expect to see Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Colombia, Mexico, Dominican Republic making the cut on a regular basis. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 22:59:45 12/08/19 Sun Not surprised about Philippines, midway through her speech I said out loud to my mom "that's it, she's nervous". I am rather surprised Albania didn't place. (NT) -- ValeneEwing, 21:00:29 12/08/19 Sun I hate to say it but USA might win. But I would much prefer Indonesia Colombia or Thailand or even Puerto Rico (NT) -- South star, 21:00:36 12/08/19 Sun Depends on gown. She easily won SS. But I agree that France or Thailand for the win! But this is Miss Universe, the left field winner would be Mexico. (NT) -- Test, 21:03:23 12/08/19 Sun I could see Mexico winning too. But didn�t expect it prior to tonight (NT) -- South star, 21:07:19 12/08/19 Sun Top 3 for me has to be SA, France, Thailand. Thailand is bringing it. I was worried about the eye issue, but she is doing great. (NT) -- Doot, 21:01:19 12/08/19 Sun Agree with you! But for some reason I think USA and maybe even PR may slip into the Top 3 based on crowd reaction. FRANCE and THAILAND are my Top 2 at the moment. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:05:52 12/08/19 Sun Good top 10. It would have been a tragedy for me if USA�s abs didn�t make the swimsuit final. -- Orange17, 21:04:35 12/08/19 Sun ICELAND has served her purpose. GUILLOTINE HER ALREADY JUDGES! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:04:46 12/08/19 Sun Iceland is too pretty to eliminate. I would rather dump South Africa but I want to see that gown. (NT) -- Test, 21:07:53 12/08/19 Sun Her SS was my least favorite. South Africa seems to have more fire in her tonight. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 21:09:35 12/08/19 Sun That�s harsh (NT) -- I think she�s cute, 21:08:22 12/08/19 Sun I do too. I love Iceland and I didn't watch prelims and didn't have her on my radar. Her gown is the exact gown Miss NH America wore when she won her state crown last summer (NT) -- Fan, 21:19:42 12/08/19 Sun Gowns. I would have scored Thailand the highest and then France. I'd love to see Iceland advance. Mexico did great too with her red gown. She could get the Latkna spot. I did not like South Africa at all. I am afraid this is as far as she gets. I wonder if USA will be enough. I could see her score 4th or 5th in here... (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 21:21:27 12/08/19 Sun How could they pick Colombia over Iceland? Colombia bored me to death. -- Kayla, 21:23:28 12/08/19 Sun One person: Paulina Vega (NT) -- Just saying, 21:34:10 12/08/19 Sun 1/10 is a white European (NT) -- Ah diversity, 21:36:42 12/08/19 Sun SS + EG scores were combined. I thought Iceland was lovely in EG but to me she was dead last in SS. She lacked energy and looked like a teen contestant. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:39:36 12/08/19 Sun Cheslie went all Lynette Cole (at Miss USA) with her hairdo in EG. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 22:52:37 12/08/19 Sun She looked bad with the hair tied together...... she should�ve done the natural hair. (NT) -- Samuel, 23:02:08 12/08/19 Sun I thought the exact same thing. As soon as I saw her tied back hair, I knew she shot herself in the foot. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 23:05:47 12/08/19 Sun Yes!! And going up first didn�t really help I guess.. her gown was nice but she needed to put her hair down. (NT) -- Samuel, 23:07:16 12/08/19 Sun I just mentioned the same thing. Her styling was atrocious. But I knew she would get in if it were as then cut. But her gown and hair were awful. Lynette takes the cake though, to this day I still don't know what Lynette was going for. (NT) -- Test, 23:10:59 12/08/19 Sun Philippines was so nervous that I just knew after the first three words out of her mouth that she would not move further. Lucky she made it to Top 20. But yes, if Philippines want to continue their streak they need to crown confident/eloquent representatives like Catriona Gray. Cat set the bar high and Zozi will continue to set that bar high. (NT) -- I can see where IMG is headed., 23:10:06 12/08/19 Sun I didn�t have her progressing pass top 20. She was nervous. And let�s face it, what are the chances of b2b?? It is really low. All the Filipino hype doesn�t disgust the pageant experts� accurate assessment of her possibilities and potential! (NT) -- Samuel, 02:12:16 12/09/19 Mon In fairness to all our Filos out here, they weren't as rabid in supporting Gazini,. They knew girlfriend was a Maria Medina 2.0 in the communication department. Philippines was divided on this girl IMHO. They were trying to push it but not with all their strength honestly. (NT) -- KiwiGuy, 02:16:50 12/09/19 Mon I'm Filipino and had higher expectations for Gazini than for MAXINE Medina (who I loathed). That being said, after that opening statement I knew our girl was toast. Was so strange to see SS and EG without Philippines. (NT) -- On a side note, I managed to clean my kitchen with the rest of the pageant as background noise., 13:04:09 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: My thoughts...
Author: okie [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:57:33 12/09/19 Mon Longest pageant everrrrrr� I didn't feel DR, Albania, Nigeria, VZ, Brazil or Philippines shouldn't have been in the top 20. I was hoping some fresh faces would be in the last group of 5 but was disappointed. Did not get PR. Not facially strong. Gown was meh. Seemed like a pageant patty. Didn't care for MX ether. Too programmed and didn't seem personable. The gowns left a lot to be desired. Sick of flesh colored gowns. USA's gown looked cheap. I'm so over "empowerment" and all the trite answers these women gave throughout the night. I disliked how long it took to "meet" the contestants. And I wish they'd just name a top 20 based on scores, not regions or MUO picks. I was hoping Iceland or Indonesia would win. I liked Thailand at the start, but the more I looked at her through the ight the more I saw Latoya Jackson. Sorry. The singer was awful! You can't tell me they couldn't find some Atlanta based acts that have made it big? The selina tribute was embarrassing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I felt Peru shou;d've placed higher. She was stunning! (NT) -- okie, 11:59:07 12/09/19 Mon Indonesia also seemed very likeable. (NT) -- Wouldn't have minded her in Top 5 instead of Thailand or Puerto Rico., 12:48:25 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Just In: MUO part ways with Budabing Pilipinas. Shamcey SupSup is the new Philippine National Director.
Author: KiwiGuy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:37:04 12/09/19 Mon Shamcey Now joins former Misses as National Director Sylvie Tellier, France Lupita Jones, Mexico Denise Quinones, Puerto Rico Jessica Newton, Peru Kim Kotter, Netherlands Last edited by author: Mon December 09, 2019 02:49:25 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Source please?? I don�t remember if it was you or somebody else but because of those stupid rumors, I thought MUO did away the continental format this year!! I thought it was 20-6-3!! Please provide sources to add credibility to post, thank you. (NT) -- Samuel, 02:39:14 12/09/19 Mon https://www.instagram.com/themissuniverseph/ (NT) -- KiwiGuy, 02:41:24 12/09/19 Mon Valerie Lim, also from 2011 is the Singapore franchise holder. Both will have Pia's mentor as the creative director (also trained Catriona for Miss World as well as countless other reps, including a Miss World and Miss International). Hiroko Mima from 2008 is Japan's national director. (NT) -- Is Ireland still under Brittany Murphy? What about Rima Fakih and Lebanon?, 02:59:50 12/09/19 Mon This gets interesting for Philippines and gives more reason to hate them in the coming years LOL. This change will enable past Filipina International queens to be in the running for Miss Universe-Phil which I believe was not allowed by Budabing. Oh that Supra '18 girl can join again and oh Arizona's Maureen Montagne. LOL (NT) -- KiwiGuy, 03:33:21 12/09/19 Mon The streak might continue for PH. Haha. I would love to see Maureen compete at MU. How old is she now btw? (NT) -- Pol, 04:06:08 12/09/19 Mon Maureen is just another crown chaser, country hopper, pageant hopper. She couldn't win the big leagues in the US (USA) or Philippines (Miss World Philippines). If the last 5 years haven't taught you anything, let me summarize: pretty crown chasers may get a token Top 20 slot, maybe. Today's top placements and winners are for women with substance, accomplishments, and a voice that can spread their message. (NT) -- At least country pageant hopper Puerto Rico this year knew how to communicate and work the spotlight, Maureen is just cute., 11:54:22 12/09/19 Mon Miss Universe Philippines 2020 and the succeeding two years will certainly be an all-star edition. The rest of the world will just be happy to dream for a runner up placement in Miss Universe. (NT) -- Phallics Manuel, 04:25:49 12/09/19 Mon GABRIELA ISLER (MU 2013) is co-director of Miss Venezuela and she's already making a mess of it! (NT) -- MU_Critic, 08:23:38 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: This win means so much for South Africa! And I am happy for them.
Author: KiwiGuy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:43:56 12/09/19 Mon MISS WORLD 1958, Penelope Coelen MISS WORLD 2014, Rolene Strauss MISS UNIVERSE 1978, Margaret Gardiner MISS UNIVERSE 2017, Demi Peters FINALLY! MISS UNIVERSE 2019, Zozibini Tunzi Last edited by author: Mon December 09, 2019 00:44:29 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Oh my... that crown with the woman inside... LOL. I know many fans glorify everything about MU's past.. but that crown is so tacky & cheap looking. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 01:10:21 12/09/19 Mon Yes, I've always hated that cheap crown. People are just stuck on nostalgia. Mikimoto rules them all...it's a piece of art (NT) -- JN, 01:21:49 12/09/19 Mon That was the ONLY crown that seperated Miss Universe from the other shlock out there. Most pageant fans loved that crown more than any other. Me included. (NT) -- pageantpearl, 01:22:57 12/09/19 Mon She could not be more unattractive in this pic. That crown should have been placed on the head of France, Peru, or Thailand. (NT) -- ghrtt3, 02:13:29 12/09/19 Mon Don't tell me that's not Robin Roberts gussied up. (NT) -- ah diversity., 06:18:19 12/09/19 Mon Don�t tell me you�re not a bigot, Blanche. (NT) -- Because all your posts indicate otherwise., 08:23:10 12/09/19 Mon "Bigotry" is in the eye of the beholder, Gwendolyn. How about we have winners who deserve to win, regardless of race? (NT) -- ah diversity., 08:58:40 12/09/19 Mon The irony is Tamaryn Green (SA 2018) is more stunning than Demi and Zozibini combined. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 08:00:13 12/09/19 Mon Yes. Tamaryn is stunning. I wish she won (NT) -- Vic, 08:51:00 12/09/19 Mon Wow so she is the first black to win a international title in a black country. Pretty impressive. (NT) -- Test, 08:08:52 12/09/19 Mon No, Einstein, she�s the first black from South Africa to win following two white women won wearing the So. Africa sash. (NT) -- So, someone indigenous to South Africa won and that makes some people happy- is that so bad? No. It�s not., 10:20:28 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Facial beauty is still very important at Universe
Author: Samuel [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:37:35 12/09/19 Mon As bad as it sounds, facial beauty is still important at Universe. It is one of the determining factors as to why USA did not advance. She certainly has the resume and speaking skills but the judges did look for facial beauty. I still say had New Mexico competed, she would�ve made top 5! Please MUO, you can choose qualified women to win but let them be the conventional type of beauty and not unconventional. This is already the FOURTH straight year that USA did NOT make the top 5! If this trend continues, it will be the FIFTH next year! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The judges looked for facial beauty but crowned South Africa? (NT) -- JN, 04:15:36 12/09/19 Mon One debate that several members of this message board have had over the years is whether or not there is a point to having Miss USA winning Miss Universe anymore. Their jobs are practically the same with the main difference being Miss Universe travels abroad but Cat didn't even visit that many countries during her reign. I believe the salaries and prize packages are also the same/similar. To me, Miss USA is already living the life of Miss Universe only with a different sash. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 08:42:16 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: One good thing about five years of IMG's Miss Universe pageants.
Author: HawtPlusSeksi (nsi) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:20:11 12/09/19 Mon Is that there were no Latina winners. Let's remember how resigned we all were in January 2015 when we knew a Latina was going to win no matter what. And now five years later the unthinkable has been achieved. Having said that. There is a lot of disappointment with IMG. My biggest is probably no delegates self presentation for three years in a row. The pandering to extreme leftie diversity crowd is another. But no Latina winners is something unthinkable. And even next year, there is no 100% guarantee it will be a Latina... especially if the pageant is in Asia and Thailand, Indonesia and Vietnam are hungry... let alone the Philippines! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Telemundo was also out of the equation from 2015-2018. Now that they're back, expect more pandering to their demographic. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 01:27:00 12/09/19 Mon And we saw that tonight. 4 Latinas in top 10. The Americas, as a region, took half of the top 10 spots (NT) -- JN, 01:37:02 12/09/19 Mon And all of Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Colombia, Mexico, Dominican Republic made the cut. The usual suspects are back. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 01:57:15 12/09/19 Mon Though with the significant increase of interest in South East Asia, these countries will have to be accommodated too... and by that, I also mean WINS. Though I agree that on paper 2020 looks like it will be a Latina's year. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi, 02:05:56 12/09/19 Mon It's obvious Telemundo is back. That top ten was heavy Latino pandering, not to mention that horrific Selena tribute. Funny enough, all the Latin contenders were excellent English speakers. (NT) -- English fluency is going to be the name of the game from here on., 03:04:40 12/09/19 Mon I have a feeling MUO will play the gimmick train for the next few years. They will select winners who have something distinctly different about them just to make a political point. I wouldn't be surprised if we see winners who are plus size, transgender, or with visible physical deformities coming up soon. They will ensure Telemundo is satisfied by maintaining high numbers of Latinas in the semifinals but unless one of these Latinas looks totally different than the others and can milk it for all it's worth, a victory may be difficult in today's political pageant climate. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 08:33:43 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: 3 COUNTRIES HAVE WON MISS UNIVERSE IN THE LAST 5 YEARS
Author: MU_Critic [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:20:54 12/09/19 Mon The "Universe" isn't as inclusive as MUO would like us to believe. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: MU 2019 IS THE TRAINWRECK OF A GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING!
Author: KiwiGuy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:17:17 12/09/19 Mon View this post on Instagram A post shared by Team Philippiness (@teamphilippiness) on Dec 8, 2019 at 10:07pm PST Last edited by author: Mon December 09, 2019 01:18:53 Edited 2 times. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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How much blame does MUO/Paula Shugart take for this? It's not rocket science. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 08:02:59 12/09/19 Mon I'm confused. Philippines photo was on the screen yet Malaysia standing there and she clearly said she won. It was even worse because Philippines had just been cut lol. (NT) -- Test, 08:07:22 12/09/19 Mon There is not a single iota of logic in MUO officials asking Malaysia to put on her 95 lbs costume for this segment if Philippines was the actual winner. Did they get Miss Congeniality right at least or was the real winner Equatorial Guinea instead of Poland? SMH (NT) -- MU_Critic, 08:13:47 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Ehem. First Autograph.

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Can we get that jacket? 😂 @IAmSteveHarvey @zozitunzi #MissUniverse2019 pic.twitter.com/tRX6CgNp8E
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Subject: She dreamt of becoming Miss World but the Universe has its way of leading you to greater things in life.
Author: KiwiGuy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04:59:42 12/09/19 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: South Africa Wins Miss Universe 2019!
Author: Test [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:03:50 12/08/19 Sun Additionally, South Africa has not placed in the top 3, 3 consecutive years. Is that a record along with Colombia and VZ in the early 90s? 1st runner up: Puerto Rico. Expected too robotic. She seems to get worse as the night went on. 2nd runner up: Mexico. Shock. My issue, now Miss Universe has 3 black winners. I am fed up with diversity. I am black for the record. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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South Africa has now placed top 3... (NT) -- Test, 22:05:15 12/08/19 Sun Countries that have finished in the Top 3 three or more consecutive years: Australia (2nd RU 1969 and 1970, 1st RU 1971, Winner 1972), Colombia (1st RU 1992-1994; Winner 2014, 1st RU 2015, 2nd RU 2016, 1st RU 2017), Venezuela (Winner 1996, 1st RU 1997 and 1998; 2nd RU 2007, Winner 2008 and 2009), Puerto Rico (2nd RU 2004, 1st RU 2005, Winner 2006), South Africa (Winner 2017, 1st RU 2018, Winner 2019). (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 01:36:41 12/09/19 Mon AFAIK Australia still holds the record for most consecutive Top 3 finishes: 2nd RU in 1969 and 1970, 1st RU in 1971, Winner in 1972. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 22:06:33 12/08/19 Sun I think Colombia also had 4 in a row from 2014 to 2017. -- Doot, 22:22:07 12/08/19 Sun Yes, Colombia did as well. Winner in 2014, 1st RU in 2015, 2nd RU in 2016, 1st RU in 2017. Can't believe I forgot that. Thanks Doot :) (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 22:53:52 12/08/19 Sun Because you black it makes it alright. Was you bucknor all the white winners. (NT) -- ., 22:08:13 12/08/19 Sun I was quite surprised with Puerto Rico being 2nd. Let's remember though that Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are the two largest Hisoanuc groups in the US and with Telemundo being back, they are back in the game. There was no way a non Black girl was going to win. Had Dom Rep. Been two years older, she would gave whn. Zozibini must have been really liked by the org and the fact that Ireland did not advance only helped her. (NT) -- HawtPlusSeksi (nsi), 22:10:14 12/08/19 Sun We told you so folks. Requirements to win prestigious pageants these days: 1). Be non white 2). Mention diversity and Empowerment as much as you can 3). Have some kind of sob story (NT) -- Can't wait till Miss America--- get ready ., 22:17:48 12/08/19 Sun Yep I agree (NT) -- Pageants are dying and yet people keep asking why. This is a prime example of why it�s dying out, 22:20:12 12/08/19 Sun Look on the Miss Universe YouTube page. They have an after show titled empowerment with a drag queen, a fat woman and other nobodies complaining about society lol. Move over Miss America 2.0 this is Miss Universe 3.0. (NT) -- Test, 23:44:24 12/08/19 Sun History was made in that all three of MUOs 2019 winners are Black. MUO did have an all Black trio from February-May 2000, when the reigns of Mpule Kwelagobe, Ashley Coleman, and Lynette Cole overlapped. (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 22:14:40 12/08/19 Sun So what? (NT) -- ?, 22:19:18 12/08/19 Sun If SA Tamaryn won last year it would have a 3peat. Good on SA. (NT) -- Vic, 22:20:11 12/08/19 Sun I loved her and wanted her to win last year over Philippines!! (NT) -- South star, 22:56:09 12/08/19 Sun Tamryn was too pretty for Miss Universe. But she fell into the category of Shandi Finnessy. There was nothing more either could do. Both Cat and JHawk had the crown. (NT) -- Test, 00:06:37 12/09/19 Mon Tamryn would have been more memorable than Cat tho. And probably not have spent most of her reign in New York (NT) -- South star, 00:08:56 12/09/19 Mon Demi rarely travelled, so I doubt Tamaryn would travel either if she won over Catriona. (NT) -- Poll, 00:59:54 12/09/19 Mon Enough with blaming Catriona for her travel schedule. IMG wants Miss Universe in NYC and her home region. They do not want to be flying all over the world to crown one national titleholder after another. That's essentially all Olivia Culpo and Gabriela Isler did. Paulina got a few gigs but mostly in Latin America, which makes sense, but she didn't travel as much either. (NT) -- Esther Swan probably doesn't want to turn fat and miserable like Roston Ogata, 03:12:35 12/09/19 Mon Oh gosh, Paulina�s reign was boring af. Actually, winner�s reigns since Leila Lopes have become boring. Estefania�s was great, or at least that�s the impression I have because MUO published a lot of vlogs back then. Actually Gabriela also had a fairly decent reign. So maybe we need another Venezuelan queen to �make Miss Universe great again�? (NT) -- Poll, 04:12:56 12/09/19 Mon Me too. Love her. P.S it�s Dr Tamaryn Green now. (NT) -- Vic, 00:10:43 12/09/19 Mon South Africa..Shocked she won! (NT) -- Eddie Murphy, 00:29:12 12/09/19 Mon

Subject: Which streak will continue?
Author: Basketball_Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:17:48 12/01/19 Sun These are the longest active streaks of making the cut at Miss Universe. 9 years (2010-): Philippines 8 years (2011-): Brazil, USA 4 years (2015-): Thailand 3 years (2016-): Canada 2 years (2017-): South Africa, Great Britain, Ireland, Jamaica, Venezuela If Thailand makes the cut, they will join USA, Venezuela, India, Germany, Philippines, Finland, Brazil, Sweden, Israel, Colombia, Greece, Korea, Japan, Mexico, and Australia in the group of countries that have made the cut 5 or more consecutive years. If Philippines makes the cut, they will join USA, Venezuela, India, and Germany in the group of countries that have made the cut 10 or more consecutive years. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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These posts make me nervous lol. They should all continue except Canada. Right after, GB & Jamaica but the judges seem to be liking the Brit reps lately so who knows. Also Brazil. Ok, so not all should continue. (NT) -- eloise, 13:27:49 12/01/19 Sun Ever since Brazil hosted in 2011 they have been placing. Some spots were deserving. Others were WTF all around. It makes me wonder how much Brazil actually paid to host that year and if part of the contract was to secure semifinal spots for the next 2 decades. (NT) -- MU_Critic, 14:34:05 12/01/19 Sun The longest active streaks are now Philippines (10 years), USA (9 years), Brazil (9 years), Thailand (5 years), South Africa (3 years), Venezuela (3 years), Puerto Rico (2 years), Indonesia (2 years), Vietnam (2 years). (NT) -- Basketball_Fan, 20:18:35 12/08/19 Sun And of those 10 times for Philippines, 7 of them had no business making the cut. (NT) -- Test, 20:22:37 12/08/19 Sun Kinda like how many Venezuelans and Americans should not have made the cut either. Lol. I wonder who the three you want to leave out though. If I am to exclude anyone of them, it would be 2014 and 2017. The one I really liked is 2016 and to some extent, 2013. But the prettiest to me is still 2016. (NT) -- Poll, 01:50:55 12/09/19 Mon Brazil continues the WTF placements!! The girl this year should not have placed. Out of the years they made it, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017 were okay. As for Philippines.. 2014 should not have made it. 2017 to some extent. (NT) -- Samuel, 02:08:04 12/09/19 Mon

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