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Subject: Does anyone have any idea why Barbara Peterson, Kim Pressler, Shauntay Hinton and Rima Fakih did not place in Miss Universe. Did they not deserve it or were politics involved?


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Date Posted: 23:02:56 11/03/19 Sun


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[> Subject: The last 3 did not possess the REAL American look


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Make Miss Universe Great Again!
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Date Posted: 23:21:13 11/03/19 Sun


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[> [> Subject: Asinine Response


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BamaDIVA (Silly)
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Date Posted: 09:49:34 11/04/19 Mon

Your response about not possessing the "Real American Look" is the most Asinine conjecture I have ever read on this board!

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[> Subject: Although each served as excellent titleholders throughout their year, I do not think they were the best candidate to represent USA that year. Yes, each fairly won the Miss USA title; however, I think all of us can agree - it wasnít a convincing or overwhelming win. If you look at previous titleholders, we can see certain qualities and factors that would convince us that the correct person was crowned; these qualities could include beauty and styling, charisma, engaging personality, intellect and articulation, sense of humor, etc. Miss USA doesnít need to be the best in every category, but needs a certain aspect of her best self that would attract the attention of the international judges and make them want to propel her into the final evening. If you canít make yourself stand out in the crowd, then youíre bound to be lost in it.


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MLB
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Date Posted: 13:35:47 11/04/19 Mon


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[> Subject: The one exclusion that shocked me was Rima Fakih in 2010. I wasn't on her bandwagon but she had a fit body and a gorgeous red Reem Acra gown not to mention she brought a lot of media attention MUO's way that year. In addition, 2010 was the "Middle Eastern" year for MUO: First Arab-American Miss USA, Farouk Shami's CHI sponsorship and Dar Be Dar Swimwear sponsorship, which was spawned from the plight the designer faced when she was in Iran. To me, all signs pointed to Rima winning (!!!) if not making the Top 15 at the very least. I'm glad she didn't win but thought she deserved a spot in the quarterfinals if not higher considering how abysmal the Top 5 that year was.


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MU_Critic
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Date Posted: 14:51:00 11/04/19 Mon


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[> Subject: I am not familiar with the first two but I was not a fan of Shauntay and Rima. Maybe it was just general preference vs perceived politics. 2002 should have included Puerto Rico as a political gesture before Shauntay. Rima, no comment.


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eloise
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Date Posted: 17:26:22 11/04/19 Mon


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[> Subject: Barbara Peterson and Kim Pressler seemed like two of the most inexplicable choices at Miss USA the night they won. So it didn't seem odd to me that they missed the cut at Miss Universe. Shauntay Hinton was Miss USA during the weird transitional period where they were trying to figure out a new identity for the pageant and I think she just wasn't a good fit for where Miss Universe was going. I think Rima Fakih was a legitimate winner the night of Miss USA (although I was not wild about anyone in that Top 5), but she never seemed as appealing as on that night; maybe it seemed that way to the judges at MU as well.


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Doot
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Date Posted: 18:00:43 11/04/19 Mon

Barbara Peterson and Kim Pressler seemed like two of the most inexplicable choices at Miss USA the night they won. So it didn't seem odd to me that they missed the cut at Miss Universe. Shauntay Hinton was Miss USA during the weird transitional period where they were trying to figure out a new identity for the pageant and I think she just wasn't a good fit for where Miss Universe was going. I think Rima Fakih was a legitimate winner the night of Miss USA (although I was not wild about anyone in that Top 5), but she never seemed as appealing as on that night; maybe it seemed that way to the judges at MU as well.

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[> [> Subject: After all these years, Kimberly Pressler's win is perhaps the most baffling in Miss USA history. Kimmie was 9th in Interview, 2nd in Swimsuit (just barely tying for 1st despite not having the best physique or catwalk) and 4th in Evening Gown putting her in 4th place heading into the Top 5 Q&A where she placed 2nd. She was the only Top 5 finalist who was asked all these "If you became Miss USA" questions -- almost as if this was a signal made to the judges that she was MUO's chosen one despite being lackluster from start to finish. Her final answer wasn't the strongest either. On Tom's Page of Miss Universe Mania, he looked into the theory that Kimmie won based on a judge's split vote but according to him, several judges must have had her as their winner in order for her to take the crown, which makes me wonder what the judge's briefing was like before the telecast.


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MU_Critic
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Date Posted: 01:22:38 11/05/19 Tue


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[> [> [> Subject: Good point about the judge's briefing. I always think of the years from about 1998 to 2002 as a weird transition period for MUO, especially as it affected the Miss USA pageant. I seems like they weren't sure what they were looking for or how the pageant itself should be done. (Remember the 2000 pageant where everyone was "dressed down" and wearing very little make-up?) So I think we can look at Kim's win in light of the fact that things were a bit unsettled in that era. And so who knows what the judges were told to look for.


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Doot
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Date Posted: 11:46:26 11/05/19 Tue

Good point about the judge's briefing. I always think of the years from about 1998 to 2002 as a weird transition period for MUO, especially as it affected the Miss USA pageant. I seems like they weren't sure what they were looking for or how the pageant itself should be done. (Remember the 2000 pageant where everyone was "dressed down" and wearing very little make-up?) So I think we can look at Kim's win in light of the fact that things were a bit unsettled in that era. And so who knows what the judges were told to look for.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Itís crazy, because I actually think Kim looks better today than when she did win over 20 years ago. While still lovely, I never got Shauntay, or Rima, or Barbara (though watching back, she shouldíve placed at MU76).


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Date Posted: 12:57:26 11/06/19 Wed


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[> Subject: Bump


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Groove
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Date Posted: 19:18:54 11/04/19 Mon


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[> Subject: This topic is so interesting, even decades later (e.g., Barbara; Kim). For me, it's also a matter of why did so many undeserving Miss USA's place at Miss Universe. I get these four not making the cut, but there are several others who did ONLY because they were Miss USA. In a act of respect, I will not name them. But.....


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Date Posted: 18:44:28 11/06/19 Wed


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[> [> Subject: Then I will LOL! Deshauna Barber. Not only making the cut was quite a surprise, her winning was even more of a shock (um, ok, Chelsea Hardin didn't win?). Anyway, IIRC, no one predicted her winning that year, let alone making Top 15. With that said, heck yeah she placed at Miss Universe due to politics.


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Groove
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Date Posted: 19:44:16 11/06/19 Wed

Last edited by author: Wed November 06, 2019 20:00:39   Edited 2 times.
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[> [> Subject: My biggest shock was Kelli McCarty making the top 10 at Miss Universe 1991. I would have given her spot to Chile or Ireland.


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PF-Indy
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Date Posted: 19:50:24 11/06/19 Wed


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[> [> [> Subject: And then she advanced to the Top 6 LOL!


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Groove
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Date Posted: 20:01:41 11/06/19 Wed


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[> [> [> [> Subject: I've always wondered if maybe the reason that Barbara Peterson did not place was politics. Didn't Israel win Universe that year? There had been so much crap going on in the Middle East during that time period, that having both Israel and the USA both in the finals may have ignited something. Remember, there had been a bombing at Miss USA just a few years before that had killed over 20 people and Lebanon's Georgina Rizk was not even able to return to crown her successor for fear of something getting started. It's just a theory, but there may be some validity to it. Or otherwise, she may have just sucked in the preliminaries.


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Date Posted: 22:34:25 11/06/19 Wed


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Wasn't it rumored that Barbara Peterson won Miss USA because she was from a well-connected Minnesota political family? The MU 1976 judges may not have liked her but MUO obviously did, because Barbara Peterson returned to Miss USA as a judge three times and as a guest during the anniversary celebration years.


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Basketball_Fan
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Date Posted: 19:58:19 11/07/19 Thu


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[> [> [> Subject: Going as far back as 1980, Mai Shanley, Kelli McCarty, Shannon Marketic and Lynnette Cole did not impress me with their Universe performance and I think their Top 10 position could/should/would have gone to another candidate who would have been more competitive. Unless she aced her interview, Sarah Summers was not worthy of her top 20. All of the titleholders mentioned above just seemed to lack style and spark on the Universe stage and it was evident by their lackluster performance. We all know that at Universe, you have to up your game. The formula/look/style that brought one success at USA may not always translate to the Universe competition.


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MLB
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Date Posted: 01:37:40 11/08/19 Fri


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[> [> [> [> Subject: None of these 4 should have never won USA to begin with.


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Date Posted: 01:56:39 11/09/19 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Exactly, especially Rima---look who was on the panel that year--that crackpot Johnny Weir who was proud of the fact that a non blonde won and that Rima didn't look like a Pageant girl--- ie not good looking.


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It's not the contestant, it's who's on the panel
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Date Posted: 08:01:47 11/09/19 Sat


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[> Subject: My list of UNDERSERVING Miss USA winners who placed at Miss Universe: Terri Utley, Mai Shanley, Kelli McCarty, Lynette Cole, Candace Krueger (a competitive year where there were prettier left behind), Susie Castillo, Chelsea Cooley, Alyssa Campanella (pretty but fell flat at Universe), Deshauna Barber, Kara McCullough, Sarah Rose Summers and even though I love Brook Lee and her personality is unmatched, let's face it. Had she been wearing any other sash than USA that year I doubt she would've made it into the Top 10.


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Date Posted: 22:56:03 11/10/19 Sun


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[> [> Subject: I love Susie, but the rest I can agree with. I would also add Shannon Marketic, a Miss USA that I never got. To me she always looked much older than her actual age.


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Doot
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Date Posted: 09:06:23 11/11/19 Mon

I love Susie, but the rest I can agree with. I would also add Shannon Marketic, a Miss USA that I never got. To me she always looked much older than her actual age.

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[> [> [> Subject: Yes, Doot! I forgot Shannon whom I never cared for and I also agree with the poster who mentioned Lu. There were far prettier than Lu in 1994 like Australia, Thailand and Russia.


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MU_Critic
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Date Posted: 20:36:02 11/11/19 Mon


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[> [> Subject: Add Lu Parker.


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Date Posted: 18:14:12 11/11/19 Mon


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[> Subject: I can only believe they did not do well in preliminaries. Barbara had no body and the other three were lackluster candidates. Besides, by 1999, MU contestants were becoming more competitive. IMO, the 1st RU for all four were better selections as MUSA.


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Date Posted: 18:37:40 11/11/19 Mon


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[> Subject: I think Rima's year had some identity challenges as well. 2010 was the first year they moved away from "This is the perfect pageant Barbie" (OK, VA) and toward more of a persona and presence. MA and CO were natural, non-pageant, yet stiff beauties, so the only one who made it to the Top 5 with a true spark of personality was Rima. If KS, AR, NE, and WV were competing today, they'd be the first five instead of the last five, IMHO. Shauntay I NEVER, EVER understood - she was great, but three out of the other four top five would've been more well-rounded packages.


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Vivien
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Date Posted: 14:52:19 11/14/19 Thu


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