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Subject: RECENT COUNTRY HOPPING @ MISS UNIVERSE


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MU_Critic
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Date Posted: 02:47:54 11/27/19 Wed

Do you think a recent country hopper stands a chance to win the Miss Universe crown IF she has already competed in another country's pageant system?



Example 1: IRELAND -- Fionn O'Reilly, born and educated in the USA, jumped ship to Ireland to compete at Miss Universe after she failed to win the Miss District of Columbia USA state crown.


Example 2: PUERTO RICO -- Madison Anderson, born and raised in the USA, competed in the Miss Teen USA State and Miss USA State pageant system before heading off to Puerto Rico where she won the crown despite the language barrier, which drew massive boos from the crowd.

Good for them for following their dreams!

.....BUT......

In your view, does MUO have anything to benefit from delegates like Ireland and Puerto Rico who couldn't win at the state/national level in the US? Furthermore, is there a risk that these ladies and others like them may not have the backing of their fellow countrymen because they've only served the minimum residency requirements to compete and are therefore not viewed as "worthy" representatives?

Some recent former Miss Universe contestants who country hopped include: Brittany Bell (Guam 2014 competed at Miss USA 2010), Anastagia Pierre (Bahamas 2011 competed at Miss USA 2009), Erica Nego (Ghana 2011 competed at Miss USA 2009), and Francys Sudnika (Poland 2007 competed at Miss Venezuela 2003). All were clappers.

The only recent successful exception I can think of is Natascha Borger (Germany 2002 who competed at Miss Venezuela 2000) who just missed the Top 5 at Miss Universe 2002 placing 6th. I always wondered what the global reaction would have been had she won Miss Universe.

Side note: Porntip Nakhirunkanok placed 1st RU at Miss California Teen USA before heading back to Thailand where she won Miss Thailand and eventually Miss Universe in 1988. This was before the MUO era.

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[> Subject: You forgot US Virgin Islands, who made 4 attempts in 4 states (TX, FL, VA, UT) to reach Miss USA before winning US Virgin Islands. There was a bit of a controversy surrounding the USVI competition as none of the Top 5 were locals.


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Basketball_Fan
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Date Posted: 09:33:47 11/27/19 Wed


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[> [> Subject: I think you should be born in the country before being allowed to compete at the national level. Although I do like Miss Panama, who was born in India.


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WilliamNYC
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Date Posted: 11:34:07 11/27/19 Wed


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[> [> [> Subject: I've never been too concerned with state hoppers or country hoppers, but I know I'm probably in the minority. Requiring someone to be born in a country seems too strict. I mean if I person was born in, say, China, but moved to Canada as a child and grew up there, then she certainly seems like a fair representative of Canada.


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Doot
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Date Posted: 12:02:23 11/27/19 Wed

I've never been too concerned with state hoppers or country hoppers, but I know I'm probably in the minority. Requiring someone to be born in a country seems too strict. I mean if I person was born in, say, China, but moved to Canada as a child and grew up there, then she certainly seems like a fair representative of Canada.

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[> [> Subject: I didn't add USVI to the post because I didn't want it to get too long. lol I have no issue with a contestant being born in a different country but someone who has competed for one country only to hopscotch to another less competitive country in a matter of a year or two is where I'd draw the line. How can they honestly represent that country to its fullest?


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MU_Critic
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Date Posted: 00:58:07 11/28/19 Thu


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[> [> [> Subject: Look at USVI's recent pageant history: Non-Finalist @ FL USA 2018 in December 2017, Non-Finalist @ VA USA 2019 in November 2018, 3rd RU @ UT USA 2019 in January 2019, wins USVI 2019 in August 2019. That's four state/territory hops in 20 months; there was only two months between VA and UT and only 7 months between UT and USVI.


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Basketball_Fan
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Date Posted: 22:24:36 11/28/19 Thu


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[> [> [> [> Subject: That must be a record.


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MU_Critic
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Date Posted: 00:40:21 11/30/19 Sat


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[> Subject: I'm ok with it. If a country wants a woman to be their representative at Miss Universe, who are we to say that it's wrong because she's a hopper? Ironically, I don't share this same philosophy when it comes to who represents the USA at the Olympics. Quite hypocritical of me! But, I will say that I was thrilled to see Natascha do so well in 2002. She proved that even Osmel's non-placing girls can go somewhere else and kill it!


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SeminoleNation
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Date Posted: 13:17:35 11/27/19 Wed


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[> [> Subject: Iíll never get over Natasha not advancing to the Top 5. She was gorgeous & had the absolute BEST SS body that year. Hands down.


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Groove
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Date Posted: 10:53:20 11/28/19 Thu


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[> [> [> Subject: Yeah, I would have definitely put her in the Top 5 over Venezuela. I loved South Africa and Panama. And China was good. But I never really got Oxana... there, I said it, LOL.


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Doot
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Date Posted: 13:27:46 11/28/19 Thu

Yeah, I would have definitely put her in the Top 5 over Venezuela. I loved South Africa and Panama. And China was good. But I never really got Oxana... there, I said it, LOL.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Natascha definitely deserved a Top 5 placement over Cynthia Lander! I actually expected Venezuela to miss the cut that year. And to this day I don't accept Oxana being so far ahead of the pack when there were many stunners in that Top 10 who were equally if not more stunning.


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MU_Critic
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Date Posted: 23:07:21 11/28/19 Thu


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[> Subject: I know that Miss Yugoslavia 1991 competed at Miss California USA to no avail. But she did place in the Top 10 in Miss Universe.


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Kudos to them.
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Date Posted: 12:29:40 11/28/19 Thu


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[> [> Subject: Actually, she Natasha Pavlovic DID make the semi-finals at Miss Universe.


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Tiki-Java
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Date Posted: 18:37:54 11/29/19 Fri


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[> Subject: I think any hopper stands a fair shot at USA or Universe. AS far as "the public" in those countries go, I understand some people being upset, but I think they also don't understand these franchises are private money making businesses...THe Republic of Ireland doesn't OWN the Miss Ireland Universe Pageant, they have their own rules about residency, etc, as long as they are citizens. I know many in the US Virgin Islands were upset, and i understand, but at the same time...they don't OWN the pageant, and since they had so much difficulty getting contestants through the years they didn't even HAVE the pageant some years...so whatever.


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Tiki-Java
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Date Posted: 18:42:12 11/29/19 Fri

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[> Subject: Andrea Stelzer: Miss South Africa, 1985, but due to anti-apartheid demonstrations withdrew from Miss Universe. In 1989, she was Miss Germany and Made Top 10 at Miss Universe 1989.


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Old Fan/New Name
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Date Posted: 18:45:43 11/29/19 Fri


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[> Subject: Iím positive there was one who didnít place in canada in 2005 so she repped the UK instead, only to watch Natalie win. Brooke Johnston??


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eloise
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Date Posted: 00:36:43 11/30/19 Sat


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[> [> Subject: Yes, Brooke high-tailed it to the UK only to watch her Canadian rival win the crown.


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MU_Critic
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Date Posted: 00:39:59 11/30/19 Sat


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[> [> [> Subject: Thanks! I cant believe I remembered that lol


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eloise
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Date Posted: 00:42:43 11/30/19 Sat


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