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Subject: Forced Gender Change from Boys to Girls

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Date Posted: 10:23:52 01/16/14 Thu

Forced Conversions of Boys to Girls - An Increasingly Common Occurense
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Boys are increasingly more often made into girls by medication, stepwise surgeries and psychological interventions without letting the boys understand what happens to them.

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Another part is usually certain kind of educational institutions that have the interest of producing girls or women with a fairly small stature, slim body, extremely flexible joints and spine and a juvenile appearance, most typically ballet schools. It seems that boys selected for this form of conversion are given free place at the school.

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Subject: Melinda Bam Miss SA 2011

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Date Posted: 12:56:46 12/22/11 Thu

She will now participate at MW and MU 2012

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Subject: Miss Teen Semi Finalist

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Date Posted: 11:23:03 09/20/08 Sat

I know the girl on the left Karien was called back for an interview for Miss SA TEEN on Thursday. Saw her at FOF.
I dont know if she got that call every girl hoped for on Friday.
You should recognise her pageantfanct

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Subject: vuyolwetu

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Date Posted: 08:04:55 11/04/10 Thu

hi i very disappnted that the lil adorable angel didn make throu the top12 but the girl has guts to put herself through the competition im so happy for her hope that next year she do it again.

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Subject: Welcome Members :=)

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Date Posted: 04:58:22 09/20/08 Sat

Hi to all the members.

We are currently 28 members. The forum will be changing soon but here's a bit why we chose to have a closed forum, and just some of the rules pertaining to OUR new forum.

1. WHAT'S SAID IN THE FORUM STAYS ON THE FORUM- You cannot tell absolutely anyone what is going on.
2. DO NO GIVE YOUR PASSWORD to anyone. This will result in you being banned permanently.
3. RESPECT- Respect among members is essential, but we will allow for members to state their opinions freely.
4, Inactivity will lead to dismissal.
5. A new feature will be added soon, to show your FORUM STATUS. The more you post, the higher your status.

I decided to close the forum because as you all know, Sun International reads the forum and they can't know what we all know.

Thanks and let's make this forum a lively, chilled out spot to hang out on. You are ENCOURAGED to post a LOT to keep the forum active and energetic, you also now can ONLY POST UNDER ONE handle, the one you have chosen to be your username.

Cheers :-)

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Subject: Michelle G - bringing sexy back!

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Date Posted: 05:30:01 09/22/08 Mon

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Subject: Another top 20 semi-finalist

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Date Posted: 08:33:32 09/25/08 Thu

Read in the newspaper today that model Lee Ann Roberts is a Miss South Africa semi-finalist for 2008... She's really beautiful.

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Subject: Sydney Terry Bailey

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Date Posted: 08:39:09 09/25/08 Thu

16 years old , was at grandwest for the interview, dont think she made Top 12 in teens - she is 1.75m

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Date Posted: 08:59:38 09/25/08 Thu

The reason for making this a CLOSED forum was to share everything with members only. What is said here cannot be distributed to other people, they are NOT members and they don't need to know what's going on.

By dishing the info to others shared exclusively on this forum is just WRONG!

Some bright spark sent those unseen photo's of Matapa to Catherine at Miss Earth and she is furious that it leaked. She scolded Matapa (and I didn't even get the pics from Matapa)

Now please people, abide by the rules. Do not share anything, especially to these pageant airheads, what is said on the forum.

If you infringe this, your membership will be cancelled.

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Subject: Marissa Eggli

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Date Posted: 09:30:41 09/25/08 Thu

Don't you guys think Marissa Eggli was one of the most beautifull miss SA finalists ever? She would have done so well internationaly!

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Subject: 7 Names, who are the rest till 25??

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Date Posted: 18:44:48 09/26/08 Fri

Michelle Gildenguys
Michelle Olivier
Anje van Zyl
Amore Smith
Tasmin Nash
Carla van der Waal
Lee Ann Roberts

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Subject: Winners that baffled you?

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Date Posted: 06:42:29 09/23/08 Tue

If you had to think back, which Miss SA winners and Universe system winners had you baffled when they won?

For me, SA: Thuli Sithole
Universe: Mona Grudt (but she totally redeemed herself with an awesome transformation)
USA - Can't recall the name. I think she was the from District of Columbia in 2002?


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Subject: Miss Mexico Universe

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Date Posted: 15:22:21 09/21/08 Sun

The one to the left goes to MW and the one to the right goes to MU. Nothing like Elisa, but they're are gorgeous nonetheless

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Subject: Heritage Day

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Date Posted: 11:27:19 09/24/08 Wed

Wishing everyone on the forum and all South Africans a peaceful and happy Heritage day

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Subject: LOL- so who will be Miss SA?

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Date Posted: 14:35:27 09/22/08 Mon

Pick your INDIAN....

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Subject: Yaseen in Mr USB

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Date Posted: 12:47:29 09/23/08 Tue

Good to see Yaseen in Mr USB!!!

Do it for SA!!

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Subject: Miss SA's of the past?

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Date Posted: 20:39:09 09/23/08 Tue

Hi all, does anyone know what happened to Lynne Massyn. I think she was a Miss South Africa somewhere in the 70's. She was a real beauty. But one never read anything about her. I'm just wondering how se looks nowadays. Yaseen, how about a walk in the past with photos of al the Miss SA's. Thanks again for a great forum

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Subject: New members :D

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Date Posted: 08:52:19 09/23/08 Tue

New members have joined the Miss SA Forum VIP Lounge...

Welcome Kiki, Lu, JuliaL, Deena, Kristen C, Pina Colada, Kourtney and Lady in Purple.

We now have 36 registered users.

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Subject: Miss World

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Date Posted: 10:03:15 09/23/08 Tue

Anyone know what is being planned for Miss World? I hope they can make it a little bit more exciting. And I really, really hope that the SA public's interest can be revived... even just a little bit. The last thing we need is a month long snoozefest with no coverage and a telecast so boring that you would rather watch paint dry. I am a big fan of the Miss World competition, but they havnen't done much to keep excitement levels high. It's way too subdued.

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Subject: Sun International

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Date Posted: 10:07:14 09/23/08 Tue

Anyone care to share their experiences about dealings with Sun Int? I've heard they can be quite mean to fans. I sent them a few enquiries a few years back and they were quite pleasant, BUT it seems that every year there was someone different in charge.
Next question: Why do they keep the pageant if they are not interested in putting 100% of time, energy, effort, etc. etc. in it... it seems like it's just something they have to do each year and not something they want to do.

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Subject: Miss SA 2008

Author: remain anonymous
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Date Posted: 06:35:19 09/23/08 Tue

Miss SA final will take place on Monday 15 December 2008 - confirmed!

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Subject: Miss SA changes...

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Date Posted: 10:12:19 09/23/08 Tue

What would go (if you could run the competition)...

For me:
* Move away from Sun City! Sun City has the Superbowl which is great... but it should be taken to different parts of the country. Sure we don't have great facilities everywhere. But I'm sure Cape Town, Johannesburg, Durban would be great hosts.
** at least 25 finalists. Not just 12. Some sort of prelims too. Maybe Miss World style mini competitions.
*** Those boring opening numbers and the dreadful dancers.
**** Just putting the contestants names on screen. They should be announced.
***** That dreadful crown. I hate it. I don't care how expensive it is... it's very Statue of Liberty-ish.

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Subject: Date and broadcaster

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Date Posted: 13:19:59 09/22/08 Mon

Have they announced when Miss SA will be taking place yet and will it be on SABC 2 again?

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Subject: Following the Miss SA Paegant

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Date Posted: 08:56:02 09/22/08 Mon

Hi there everybody
I'm totally new with discussions on this forum. Great forum. Love it a lot. I was just wondering since when did you guys start following the paegant? I remembered the first time I watched it, was in 1972 when Stephanie Reynecke won the title. Never stop watching and following it since then.

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Subject: Matapa's NEVER BEFORE SEEN pics

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Date Posted: 11:06:14 09/22/08 Mon

Stays on the forum- these are her official pics to be used for Miss Earth. MAY NOT BE PUBLISHED ANYWHERE else :-)


She's going to do really well at Miss Earth!

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Subject: US system vs. SA system

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Date Posted: 10:50:58 09/22/08 Mon

I was just reading on USB about how girls are extorted into paying high prices for their gowns.

In the United States, girls have to enter their state competition first, pay their entry and get a gown of their choice which they have to pay for. They can enter the State pageant as many times if they wish to. The winners of each state go on to Miss USA (can only compete once)

In South Africa, girls enter the Miss South Africa pageant directly. Entry is free and girls need not worry about getting their own gowns. You can enter Miss South Africa as many times as you wish.

Now I ask, which method do you prefer? Do you think girls should PAY to enter the pageant so that they treat their entry more seriously? Should girls just get a free gown that they may not like, or should a gown reflect their personal style? Should a girl be allowed to compete more than once?

Your input please

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Subject: Tasmin Nash- Miss SA 2008 Top 20

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Date Posted: 14:45:54 09/21/08 Sun

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Subject: Raelene

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Date Posted: 10:17:03 09/22/08 Mon

Am i the only one that thinks that Raelene will make a great miss SA? I wish the quality can return to the years when we had Suzette van der Merwe, Diana Tilden-Davies, Michelle Bruce, Amy Kleinhans. Those woman were true beauty queens. Bassie and Jaqui aswell. I do beleive that we can still find those kind of girls........But how is the question!

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