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Date Posted: 20:18:17 04/21/09 Tue
rk I could not agree more with you. I always get a kick out of people like the CFNM folks, if one were to poll society, whom do you think the majority would label as deviant or abnormal, the CFNM group who get off on being naked at the doctors office, or you whom feels if a person feels uncomfortable being nude infront an opposite sex whom provider they should be accomodated. Yet, even though society would label them deviant and you are willing to accept their right to their own choice,and yet they feel you are the odd one....it seems often the fringe are less accepting than those in the main stream
Betsy, I do appreciate and respect the fact that you are willing to open up and return to this and other threads even in the face of a lot of negative feedback. I do however think that your posts indicate you fall into the same mentality that many providers seem to have. You portray one persona as a provider who tries to portray the understanding compassionate provider but justifies the status quo of compromising patients modesty under the claim of necesity. I recall having an exchange some time ago with you after you related how you sometimes prolonged the exposure of some of your male patients for your pleasure and theirs. You justified it as saying due to your status and experience of being a nurse you could tell they enjoyed it and could determine if a male patient was modest or not just from meeting them in that circumstances. I challenged that at the time and still do, most men will do everything to act comfortable regardless of how they feel, and unless you have some supernatural ability..at best your guessing. That has evolved over time through the thread to a less aggressive stance, up to the current post. You basically just said it wasn't worth the effort to summon a male nurse from another floor to make a male patient more comfortable, this inspite of the fact that you previously admitted you would not accept a male assistant for your gyn exam. Now consider those facts and try to reconcile them with the fact that you say you use a female assistant to record data while you perform full physicals on males including DRE's. So to sum up you don't feel its worth the effort to call in a male nurse from another floor, and you subject male patients to the very same situations that you openly admit you would not accept yourself. And yet..you don't see a problem defending the status quo.
Now, does this make you the evil witch of the west, or does this actually reflect the current mentality and attitude of the medical community as a whole. There seems to be common areas of contention between patients and providers. One is the feeling among providers that there are two sets of rules, one when they are the provider and one when they are the patient. Providers seem to think that patients should accept the very things they themselves will not. Second, there seems to be the attitude among providers that it is about them, "we are all professionals" "I have seen hundreds of those" "it doesn't bother me" etc. are just an sample of how providers seem to think it is about them, not the patient. Guess what, you being naked doesn't bother me either. The fact that calling a male nurse from another floor is just so unreasonable to make a patient feel comfortable tells a lot. Lets see, you are getting paid, paid well, you are in your normal work environment, with people you know, doing your routine, fully clothed...so I can see why that request by a person who is sick, possibly in pain, stressed, maybe scared, and now nude or uncomfortable would be unreasonable. It isn't about you, the patient is the focus, the patient is paying the bills, you are there to take care of the patient, you are not their warden. And as for the existance of a double standard...pleaseeee...so how many male providers would get by with hiring a male assitant for examining females especially when exposure is required. How many facilities require females to have a chaparone to examine males. Society as a whole supports this, female reporters in male locker rooms, why its their right...male reporters in female locker rooms while they shower...no way, courts have ruled male gaurds patting down female prisoners is cruel and unusual punishment...but female gaurds can pat down and strip search males...
Betsy, this may seem like I am coming down on you personally, but the reality is I think your honesty is actually a mirror of the medical community as a whole. While you are willing to expose (pun intended) your true feelings, many providers try to soft sell or deny. So while I commend you for your guts and honesty....I have to say, you exhibit many of the attitudes and failure to recognize the shortcomings and arrogancy that make the medical experience so unpleasant for many. I am fortunate, I have my own insurance and the resources that make me a desired patient, so, if you or your facility won't accomodate me...there are plenty, even with a shortage of doctors who will...I feel for those who have no choice, or don't have the confidence to demand what they are paying for. We will demand the minimum wage kid get our $1.25 hamburger just the way we want it, but allow the best paid people in society to give us what ever they want....but then times are changing, like it or not, patients are starting to figure it out...you need us as much, or more than we need you...there are new medical facilities, express meds, and alternatives popping up every day..some of them have figured out what McDonalds already knows...giving the patient/customer what they want makes sense...dollars and cents.
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