VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1234[5]678910 ]


[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 07:01:44 02/14/10 Sun
Author: Joel to Rick & Dave and Steve (if you wantd to quit me)
Subject: Re: An Apology
In reply to: Rick 's message, "An Apology" on 07:58:00 02/13/10 Sat

Hey Big Brother...
What's this apology issue here? I've read your messasge and have tried to sort it out, and even have talked with Kyle here, and I want to respond to it. I hope I don't screw up and make you understand my feelings what you wrote!

This if you want to can be a message of PRAISE to you, and my turn to do a little ass chewing. Little Brothers can do that once in awhile to Big Brothers, can't they? You can sort out the PRAISE and the CHEWING, okay?

First off, YOUR STUCK WITH ME AS A LITTLE BROTHER! Stop saying you should have been a just online buddy! God directed you and Dave to discover me, Steve, Kyle, Luke, Sean and others to share, and things developed to where WE WANTED TO "ADOPT" each other as BROTHERS! If nobody wanted to do this then they could have voiced their opinion and said NO!
I wanted you and Dave, and Steve right off because we had alot in common in thoughts, about our lives, schools, and interests! Things developed good I thought.
Great you and Dave have a great mom and dad you can talk to you and get advice!
I do, too, but sometimes I like to seek others advice and make a decision then and later what I would like to so or should do.
Now that's where Big Brothers come in, YOU & DAVE and Steve, Kyle, Sean and others. My dad comes first, must I've discovered I can ask you Big Brothers things too and get an opinion! You Rick and Dave are closer to my age, and yes Steve is a little older and still knows whats right to do and I value his judgement and friendship just like I do yours.
I realize this is suppose to be a Forum, but I've come to know it more as a family of guys/buddies and BIG BROTHERS who say what they believe in, what they would do and maybe tell a Little Brother what maybe to do, and sometimes their thoughts and ideas are RIGHT and sometimes come out WRONG! But life is a gamble and would be boring if everyone had all of the right answers to say and tell.
God made us human to be good and to make mistakes and learn from them!
So Rick and Dave I have come to asl alot of advice from you, and Steve, besides my dad. Yeah, I can talk to him and see what he says, but I like some of your guys ideas and advice to you!
Here's an example that might help to, I had to write a people for school about a President I admired, of course I've always liked Abraham Lincoln. Maybe because he and I share the same birthday month, but that guy was a genius as a president. He was a self-educated man, very little schooling, but sought others to help him in lacking abilities, became a lawyer and president. He took alot of crap from people because the Civil War lasted so long, but he had the support of the Union soldiers to fight for him and he sought out the best generals he could find for advice. He also gathered people who were against him politically and socially together, to be friends with him and sought their opinions on things before making decisions on his own what he thought was right!
Now, I'm not claiming to be an Abraham Lincoln, but I got three good BIG BROTHERS in you Rick, and Dave and Steve. I realize we are not blood-related. NOT MY FAULT!
But you three have given me some great advice, and yes I've been subborn on accepting some, had things come out right, and then I've listened to advice you Rick, you Dave and Steve have given me, and tried it and alot of times it has come out great. And there's a few times, they haven't, but the trieds and done out number the not so greats.
Gotta remember,Life's a Gamble!
So, Rick you think you've screwed up lives unitentionally? And Dave you think maybe you have, too?
That's BULL! BIG BROTHERS!
You was giving me advice and others, Kyle, Luke and sometimes Sean, and we could take your advice or throw it away.
I wanted to try some of the advice, thought it was better then others ideas, and at times the advice was not maybe what my dad or Steve might suggest, BUT I CHOSE to try it and if anyone is to blame IT's ME...NOT YOU RICK or DAVE!
GOT IT?
Am I starting to chew ass yet?
There's NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE or say SORRY to me or any other brothers, unless they think you need to and right now Kyle and Sean agree with me, and when we get Luke's little ass straightened out and back in the fold I'm sure he will agree too.
Speaking of Luke, YOU RICK or DAVE did not drive him away from me as a friend/brother/buddy. Still have to see what's eating his little ass!
Now, back again to giving advice. You suggestioned I talk with my dad, Rick and Dave and Steve! Did I run to him right away about the McDonalds incident?
NO!
I waited, not in disrepect to Big Brothers Rick, Dave or Steve's advice, but I wanted to weight the issues and decide what I thouht was right!
Yeah, I screwed up making the decision NOT to leave things well enough alone after I paddled Luke for egging me to fight the dude, but out of respect and I'm not ashamed to say it, love for a little brother, I second guessed myselt if I did the right thing!
I think everyone, You Rick and Dave thought me and my dad talking would just air things out and reassure I did wrong in paddling Luke, etc. But, my dad wanted to make sure I got the point that I was wrong to paddle Luke and discipline him which should have been done by his dad, but I took matters in my own hands, and realize now that I should have kept my BIG MOUTH SHUT!
We learned one thing, my dad loves me enough to paddle me for a mistake he thought I did, and who knows, maybe he was looking for a good loving reason to reassure that he love me and would paddle me at least one more time in my life since he first did in December, and we don't know IF the second time will be the last or not in my life time, not that I'm looking for a third or more paddlings!
So my plan, my decision after I heard everyone's advice, BACKFIRED and little Joel got his ass paddled my his dad because Joel made the decision to go talk to dad! Nobody PUSHED ME to talk to my dad, remember when I heard everyone's advice I didn't run to him right away, even if I had to wait for him to return from a business trip!
As for Luke's dad getting in on the paddling night, he was disciplining Luke with love he thought to his son, and to teach Luke a lesson for putting Joel in a bad situation he thought it was right that Luke be paddled by me and my dad thought the same for Joel to be paddled my LUKE. He wanted Luke's dad to paddle Joel then he would have suggested it or Luke's dad would have.
Remember too, both dad's had a conversation on the phone together to decide to do this paddling session, and nobody pushed them to do it!
Now Rick, as for the dorm incident, my dad doesn't know that Kyle and Sean did any kidnapping of Joel and Luke or the blackeye. I've kept it a secret and out of anger Luke has brought the matter up. If he wants to spill his guts and thinks it's the right thing to do he can, BUT I think he won't and realize it was the right thing to not say a word.
Now about my grandpa giving me the whipping! He was wrong to do that to me, and he knows it, and when he wants to admit it he will and I believe HE will! That was more then a grandpa whipping his son, if was just to be just a whipping then he wouldn't have had me strip and I would have been able to have my shirt, socks, shoes on and just the dropped pants and underpants to bare my butt!
I blame some of his actions on the news stories about making sure kids don't do drugs and alcohol, etc.
Grandpa over reacted, thought he was doing right!
You Rick, and Dave and Steve wanted to make sure grandpa did not do that to me or anyone else again, but did I run to tell my folks right away like you suggested?
No!
I took your advice and waited, because I thought I wouldn't have my chance to talk with my dad and get my first paddling!
There again, you Rick, Dave or Steve did NOT cause trouble and make my grandpa go away from me. He did it to himself, and he's gotten help and will come around.
To be honest, I was ordered to stay away from him and he was to me, but nobody said for how long and maybe NOW its time that grandpa and grandson be allowed their relationship again, especially with my l8th birthday coming up.
I didn't mean to make it look like grandpa had written me off, and yes he and grandma called me a "spoiled brat" out of anger, but in honesty, they are wrong and you BIG BROTHERS know me, and I haven't lied to you and know that I'm a good kid and respect my grandparents and would NOT be a spoiled brat!
So Rick and Dave and Steve, you guys did NOT screw up a relationship with me and my grandparents my suggestions to me!
And before anyone of you, Rick, Dave or Steve say it, N, you better not say you will be quiet from now on and in the future about advice on grandparents, etc. to me
PLEASE GUYS, DON'T write-off NOT WANTING TO GIVE ADVICE!
Again it boils down to why there is a FOURM and what it is, and because I VALUE your ADVICE & FRIENDSHIP and still think of you BIG BROTHERS!
You can't WRITE ME OFF and STOP ME from calling you that! I still want advice from you guys, and still from my dad, mom, coaches and others to make decisions on my own what to do!
Ass chewing time...
Don't be saying I'll talk to you now and then Joel, but not as often as before so I don't screw up things in giving bad advice, but just socialize!
I DON'T WANT JUST SOCILAIZE...I WANT ADVICE STILL, and Kyle, Sean do to and Luke will and want it!
SO Rick, Dave and Steve if your thinking it, I won't ever think you guys are interfering in my life with suggestions or decesions on what things should be said, done or do!
YOU HAVE NOT INTERFERED, BUT HELPED!
And yes, sometimes things have backfired, gone wrong, etc., but remember LIFE IS NOT PERFECT and RICK, DAVE and STEVE and JOEL, KYLE, SEAN and Luke and others are NOT PERFECT!
So let's keep doing what we're doing. I WANT IT THAT WAY! YOU RICK are NOT a Screwup, nor Dave or Steve and you guys have a wealth of knowledge and expereiences to share with a Little Brother named JOEL, who wants it from you and I'll make decisions what I want to do, take your advice or others, but remember...I'm like Mr. Lincoln, I want to look at every possible question, solution, find an answer, and down what I think it right!
If I succeeed...Great!
If I screwup and make a wrong choice, then my little butt can pay for it with a paddling or other punishment!
So RICK...NO BACKING OUT...NO BACKING OFF...SITTING BACK while others do your job as being a BIG BROTHER to ME!
Same for you, DAVE!
Same for you, Steve!
And anyone else I select for a Big Brother, who will have me for a Little Brother!
You guys have helped me so much, like you Dave I was like in a shell sometimes and tagged and labeled and Kyle helped me so much for almost l7 yrs. as a Big Brother, then for whatever reason GOD brought you Rick, Dave and Steve into my life as Big Brothers, too!
Here's some more ass chewing...
SO YOU GUYS AREN'T GETTING RID OF ME AS A LITTLE BROTHER!
I"LL KICK YOUR ASSES, SOMEHOW!
I've said it before, and you guys I'm sure have in life, let's learn from our mistakes, praise one another when we do something good and ALL WORK TOGETHER HELPING EACH OTHER AS TIME PERMITS!
Steve I realize you have a family, and still you find time for me. THANKS, BIG BROTHER!
Rick, you got Jreanne now and still have time for me!
Dave, you got Molly now and still have time for me.
So guys, please I hope you will and even if its just once a week, which I wished it was more then that, but we still gotta stick together as BROTHERS!

Rick, thanks for saying what you did, if you ever wanted a second little brother I'm like what he would be. That's Big Brother! Dude! Buddy! But I Like Big BRother more!
So your Stuck with me Rick, for a little brother, so STOP this depression thing, where have I heard that before?
You have to help continue in life, be there for me, like Dave and Steve!
I think I've stopped the ass chewing, but does it hurt to sit alittle Rick?
I was EAGER for you to be a Big Brother, and EAGER STILL for YOU to continue!
GOT IT?
So, thnaks for wishing me an l8th birthday, dude. I hope you'll contact me before that milestone event, if you have time, and I hope so.
And I'm going to get Luke straightened out to, even if I have to kick his ass, and I can hear your thoughts Rick, Dave and Steve, "Joel, what if you should do that and get a paddling for it?"
Then I guess I do this, drop the pants, pull down the boxer shorts and present a little ass for tanning up red again, only because Joel thought it was the right thing to do and NOBODY pushed him into that descision...No Big Brother Rick, No Big Brother Dave or Big Brother Steve.
Joel is going to be help accountable for actions he makes a decision on, like it has been in the past!
So I thing I've covered everything, Rick, Big Brother! I hope I praised you enough to keep me as a Little Brother and sorry I had to chew your ass for a change!
Do I need to ask you for an apology?
NO!
We are even on matters...but remember...sometimes Little Brothers go a stray and need Big BRothers to help in advice, so remember to voice your opinion like before or I'm going to have to starting kicking some Big BRothers asses...but how!
Kyle, you got any suggestions????

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]


Replies:


Post a message:
This forum requires an account to post.
[ Create Account ]
[ Login ]
[ Contact Forum Admin ]


Forum timezone: GMT-8
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.