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Subject	Author	Date
Well, she went from a "junior," to a "senior" to "attending," which is probably the closest to the truth since she reportedly takes "online courses." (NT)	No name	13:21:24 09/03/15 Thu


She'll be a Clapper! At best .... (NT)	No name	14:45:53 09/03/15 Thu
Miss America is having an identity crisis, so you never know. I don't think they have a clear picture of who they are or what they stand for, even at the national level. (NT) -- No name, 15:38:02 09/03/15 Thu Oh, God! (NT) -- No name, 15:56:13 09/03/15 Thu

Will the real Crystal Davis please stand up? (NT)	No name	15:54:49 09/03/15 Thu
You win the internet today. (NT) -- No name, 15:59:27 09/03/15 Thu

I think you people would even rip to shreds a female version of Jesus Christ, if she were the reigning Miss Illinois. And we wonder why contestant quality is dropping throughout the program. (NT)	No name	17:16:17 09/03/15 Thu
I think you would like to think that instead of accepting the alternative. (NT) -- No name, 19:08:50 09/03/15 Thu Oh, yes! The decline in contestant quality has nothing to do with the way the program has been run for the past nine years. Give me a break! There were plenty of quality contestants at state this year. This titleholder is just a symptom of the problem that has plagued our system. It's not entirely her fault, but let's not pretend this contestant is typical of the ones we usually send to MA. (NT) -- No name, 19:26:04 09/03/15 Thu Illinois managed to eek out two top tens in the past 9 years, and that's it. The days of Illinois being a competitive state need to be rebuilt from scratch. Crystal isn't any worse than some of the other titleholders that have been sent to Miss America over the past 9 years, and I say that as someone who's seen them all. She may not be your choice for Miss illinois, but so what? Give it a rest. And as for all of those "lies and deep dark secrets" I do not accept something posted on a voy board as proof. When you provide substantiated proof via a legit venue, then (and only then) will I take them seriously. The comment about female Jesus is right on the mark. (NT) -- No name, 19:38:59 09/03/15 Thu And who are you that anyone should provide proof to you or care what you think? Or that anyone should give it a rest because you said so? Fortunately for me, I don't really care if you take these assertions seriously or not. I can claim responsibility for only one of the above posts. So the idea that it's only one person who is aware of the ways in which Crystal embellished (or whatever) her education or platform is simply not true. Let's be honest, most of the world doesn't care about Miss America, much less Miss Illinois, so it's understandable people would come here to talk about it. At least they're politely keeping it off FB. (NT) -- No name, 20:02:33 09/03/15 Thu Yes, Miss Illinois does need to rebuild the program from scratch, and I think that we are all hoping that it can be done after years of bad leadership. However, to act as though the last 9 were unworthy because only two made the cut is one of the dumbest things I've read on this board. They all did a fantastic job as titleholders, despite the daily drama that they had to deal with just to be Miss Illinois. Many had the potential to do well, but who knows what went on that may have affected their preparation. Amalia was notorious for talking badly about her own contestant to Miss America before they even got to nationals. We also have to accept that the national organization has changed immensely in the last 9 years. (NT) -- No name, 20:23:57 09/03/15 Thu Oh please. Dont even try to compare her to the others. They had educations in progress with goal expectations of life. They traveled the state alone and made contacts to improve the program and they deemed a professional appearance and represented the state with poise. (NT) -- No name, 22:15:44 09/05/15 Sat

Just face it, gone are the days that contestants listen to anyone! Mothers think they know best, they think their little darlings know everything, & neither do! Fran, AS or whomever sad but true, they all have a sense of entitlement. Just sayin! (NT)	No name	19:32:57 09/03/15 Thu
What does that have to do with anything? (NT) -- No name, 19:50:52 09/03/15 Thu

^^^^^^^what are people smoking! (NT)	No name	10:35:49 09/04/15 Fri


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Davis Although obviously written after she won and chock-full of detail, this Wikipedia entry makes no mention of Crystal attending Southeast Missouri State University. It says she "attended" Shawnee Community College. So, one might conclude she is a 22-year-old who (apparently) has not even graduated from community college. It's not where she's attending that's important, but how honest and/or consistent she has been. Expectations and accountability in our program need to go up. (NT)	No name	14:32:45 09/04/15 Fri
Or perhaps she has now decided to attend a four-year college using the scholarships she earned along the way. Isn't that what the program is supposed to be for? Man, you folks are vicious. Many people finish their college degrees in their 30's or 40's; not everyone does the four year thing right out of high school, and that's o.k. (NT) -- No name, 16:58:42 09/04/15 Fri You're really reaching. She told people before the pageant that she was attending school at Southeast Missouri State University, as well as saying it at the MA opening ceremony. In no way is it vicious to point out the discrepancies in someone's story. She's the one who told it. And I would assume someone who knows her helped with the details of that Wikipedia entry, but left out her actively attending SEMO. It's absolutely fine to put off one's education, but be honest about it. If that prevents you from being successful in the MAO, then maybe it's not for you. The point is, scholarship is one of the four points of MAO and it's an insult to those who take that seriously for someone to lie simply because they feel entitled to compete without doing the work. (NT) -- No name, 17:17:06 09/04/15 Fri Look, it's whacko and convoluted and next year, someone needs to pay better attention. That's it. (NT) -- No name, 17:50:37 09/04/15 Fri

Crystal did not reflect this in ANY of her Illinois paperwork. This, like her Platform is BS. How she won is beyond anyone!! (NT)	No name	07:37:05 09/05/15 Sat
But she did win; so maybe you should step back and realize that it's just a pageant. We aren't developing the cure for cancer. You'll get through this. If I've lived through seven years of Obama, you'll survive a year of Crystal Davis as Miss Illinois. Trust me. (NT) -- No name, 21:57:29 09/05/15 Sat Yes, it's just a pageant, but it's still important to the girls who work diligently on their educations, their platforms, their talents and even their overall presentations in order to succeed. Some are girls who could really use the scholarship dollars to achieve the goals they have set for their lives. To them and to the women who have come before them, it's an insult to say "It's just a pageant," and diminish the work they have put into it. Obviously you're right: Crystal did win, however that happened, and no one will die from it. But does being dismissive make it ok? (NT) -- No name, 15:07:05 09/06/15 Sun and is ranting about it on a voy board going to fix it? (NT) -- No name, 20:07:45 09/06/15 Sun No, but I don't think anyone is asking for anyone to fix it. (NT) -- No name, 20:39:00 09/06/15 Sun

Tell it^^^ (NT)	No name	16:11:42 09/06/15 Sun


It IS just a pageant! Stick with education, it'll get you farther! (NT)	No name	21:01:14 09/06/15 Sun
Funny. Most of the girls DO stick with education. That's basically what this post is about. (NT) -- No name, 22:30:39 09/06/15 Sun

Right, formers consist of fitness coaches, dance teachers, make up consultants. Big money there. You'd think more success would come from making all those contacts, but obviously not too much by way of high level degrees. (NT)	No name	06:57:04 09/07/15 Mon
Doctors, lawyers, speech-language pathologists... (NT) -- No name, 08:43:17 09/07/15 Mon And a physician's assistant, I believe. I could be wrong, but it's something similar to that. (NT) -- No name, 10:09:40 09/07/15 Mon One who just started a professional singing career, one who works for a non-profit as a result of the connections she made as Miss Illinois....and the one you're referring to as the "fitness consultant" does that as a hobby, not a job. She has a degree and a full time job. Frankly, the ones you're insulting are the ones you say managed to "eek" their way into the finals, so what is your point? We all know Amalia was not what the organization needed and we are all glad she is no longer in charge. (NT) -- No name, 10:34:20 09/07/15 Mon

This doesn't sound insulting to me, but rather that the person is pointing out that while you act as though the contestants went through high levels of education to win a pageant, you are missing the point that this IS a pageant! Not every participant desires to go "high level" but to enjoy their accomplishment, and then return to a normal level of life after. Whatever one loves to do does not define WHO they are! (NT)	No name	10:47:05 09/07/15 Mon
I'm not going to take the time to recap this thread from start to finish for you and explain how it got to that statement. It would involve dragging Crystal back through the mud and I don't think that serves anyone at this point. I'm also not going to reiterate my point in which I explained why "It's just a pageant," may be insulting to some people. I will just say that if someone's only goal in life is to win a pageant, then they should choose a pageant system for which they are qualified and in which "scholarship" is not identified as one of the four points of the system. "Desiring" and "deserving" are two different things. (NT) -- No name, 11:26:41 09/07/15 Mon Since you are so forthright in your criticism of Crystal's academics, what's your academic background? I assume that you must have a PHD in physics from Duke University or something equivalent, correct? If you are going to be so insistent and steadfast that girls with mediocre scholastic ambitions not compete in MAO, you obviously have to be someone who's a shining example. Please do tell. Enquiring minds want to know. (NT) -- No name, 13:15:21 09/07/15 Mon lol I'm not answering your snarky question, not because my education isn't substantial, but because it is irrelevant. In fact, the education of anyone who has commented in this thread, even you, is irrelevant to any discussion about Crystal's choices. If that's your only defense, it's pretty weak. (NT) -- No name, 14:06:25 09/07/15 Mon No, I just think you are like the 300 lb person who rips into contestants for being 5 lbs overweight in swimsuit. In other words, you don't set the example for what you demand out of Crystal or other titleholders, that's all. ;) (NT) -- No name, 19:24:30 09/07/15 Mon Your impression is completely off-base, but what you think means literally nothing to me because this isn't about me. You get an A for your effort in trying to change the focus, though. It's as cute as your wink emoji. (NT) -- No name, 19:55:49 09/07/15 Mon It's interesting you think I am THE person trying to "discredit" Crystal. First of all, I didn't start this thread, nor am I the only one commenting on it. And second of all, she has discredited herself by lying. That's no one else's fault but hers. If Crystal wants to go to school to become a beautician or a welder, I don't care. I think there's honor in that and I would never be so rude as to call that a "mediocre scholastic ambition." She should just be honest about it. If she doesn't want to go to school at all, that's fine, too. This just isn't the program for her, as has been said before. Seriously, what part of people's complaints has your pants in such a bunch? That Crystal hasn't been able to lie without being caught? (NT) -- No name, 20:34:10 09/07/15 Mon So what you're saying is there's no middle ground between "mediocre (or even no) scholastic ambitions" and a PhD from Duke? Well, thanks for the clarification. What a relief for the people who actually care about the program to know that they don't have to worry so much about it! It takes a lot of pressure off those people to know we're really just looking for "mediocre." We can start recruiting even more mediocre girls who "desire" to return to a mediocre life. In fact, we might want to consider giving out participation crowns in the future because every girl who "desires" to compete deserves to get what she wants. I mean, it's just a pageant after all. Thanks! That's going to save some people a lot of time, money and effort. (NT) -- No name, 14:38:27 09/07/15 Mon Did I say that? There was a state titleholder in the 80's who made top 5 at Miss America with the scholastic ambition of finishing cosmotology school. If someone has an educational goal as a means to making an honest living, then I'm all for them using the scholarships in the Miss America program to get there. You missed the point entirely in calling out the person trying to discredit Crystal. While we don't know identity, I'd bet money that there own educational credentials aren't any better than Crystals. If they even have any beyond high school. (NT) -- No name, 19:28:08 09/07/15 Mon I think you meant "their" credentials. (NT) -- No name, 20:00:03 09/07/15 Mon I'm not the person who posted that comment so I realize you're not speaking to me, but you are the one missing the point and what you say makes no sense. Most of us do not want to see education minimized in our program. When that happens, it will officially mark the beginning of the end for MAO. (NT) -- No name, 20:00:30 09/07/15 Mon The beginning of the end was MAO ignoring 9 years worth of complaints about the last group. (NT) -- No name, 00:19:52 09/08/15 Tue I AM the person who posted that and I can honestly say, "yes," that is what you implied through your extremely flawed reasoning. You essentially said that anything less than a PhD from Duke gives a person no right to comment on a girl with "mediocre scholastic ambitions" competing in the program. There is a huge span of difference between "no" scholastic ambition, "mediocre," "adequate," "exceptional" and "outstanding." As a program, we should always strive to have girls who are (a minimum of) adequate to outstanding. Our expectations should be high, not lowered so the "mediocre" girls don't feel left out. If you want to compete in our program, strive harder. There's nothing wrong with sending that message. It's not the program for every girl. (NT) -- No name, 20:51:22 09/07/15 Mon You come on here claiming that Crystal is a liar, as if you are "in the know" and then make half-a*ed excuses by saying the press has better things to cover and MAO is too busy. You have no freakin clue, but keep coming on here ranting and raving about how Crystal has lowered the bar and she's some sort of fraud. The fraud is the person posting this crap on an anonymous message board. If I had proof that someone was a liar or fudging their credentials, I'd step forward, and keep stepping forward until someone listened. But you keep posting here. And you do that because you are either full of crap or don't have any tangible proof. And if truth be known, you probably are a beauty school dropout yourself, and have no business ranting about anyone else. (NT) -- No name, 00:08:10 09/08/15 Tue* Keep thinking all that stuff you just said. It's really ok. You'll eventually realize what many of us (I say "us," because again it's not just ONE person) already know: there's nothing that can be done about this. It doesn't matter because it just isn't that important to anyone but people who care about this pageant, and that is a very small number of people. Crystal is at MA and she'll be Miss IL for a year. And then we'll have new leadership who will hopefully be sure to do a better job checking paperwork, choosing judges and not using their personal insecurities to influence the outcome of the pageant. That's it. You can make this about us, but why aren't you asking someone you believe to be TRULY "in the know" about her? (NT) -- No name, 07:28:34 09/08/15 Tue I think you meant "inquiring." (NT) -- No name, 20:01:35 09/07/15 Mon Here, I mean, I think you meant "inquiring." (NT) -- No name, 20:10:58 09/07/15 Mon lol This thing...never mind. You can figure it out. (NT) -- No name, 20:12:05 09/07/15 Mon You either have no sense of humor or no clue about 70's and 80's pop culture. It's "Enquiring minds" (NT) -- No name, 00:00:15 09/08/15 Tue

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