So what you're saying is there's no middle ground between "mediocre (or even no) scholastic ambitions" and a PhD from Duke? Well, thanks for the clarification. What a relief for the people who actually care about the program to know that they don't have to worry so much about it! It takes a lot of pressure off those people to know we're really just looking for "mediocre." We can start recruiting even more mediocre girls who "desire" to return to a mediocre life. In fact, we might want to consider giving out participation crowns in the future because every girl who "desires" to compete deserves to get what she wants. I mean, it's just a pageant after all. Thanks! That's going to save some people a lot of time, money and effort. -- ILLINOIS Pageants Board

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Subject: So what you're saying is there's no middle ground between "mediocre (or even no) scholastic ambitions" and a PhD from Duke? Well, thanks for the clarification. What a relief for the people who actually care about the program to know that they don't have to worry so much about it! It takes a lot of pressure off those people to know we're really just looking for "mediocre." We can start recruiting even more mediocre girls who "desire" to return to a mediocre life. In fact, we might want to consider giving out participation crowns in the future because every girl who "desires" to compete deserves to get what she wants. I mean, it's just a pageant after all. Thanks! That's going to save some people a lot of time, money and effort.

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In reply to: 's message, "Since you are so forthright in your criticism of Crystal's academics, what's your academic background? I assume that you must have a PHD in physics from Duke University or something equivalent, correct? If you are going to be so insistent and steadfast that girls with mediocre scholastic ambitions not compete in MAO, you obviously have to be someone who's a shining example. Please do tell. Enquiring minds want to know." on 13:15:21 09/07/15 Mon

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Did I say that? There was a state titleholder in the 80's who made top 5 at Miss America with the scholastic ambition of finishing cosmotology school. If someone has an educational goal as a means to making an honest living, then I'm all for them using the scholarships in the Miss America program to get there. You missed the point entirely in calling out the person trying to discredit Crystal. While we don't know identity, I'd bet money that there own educational credentials aren't any better than Crystals. If they even have any beyond high school. (NT) No name 19:28:08 09/07/15 Mon

I think you meant "their" credentials. (NT) -- No name, 20:00:03 09/07/15 Mon
I'm not the person who posted that comment so I realize you're not speaking to me, but you are the one missing the point and what you say makes no sense. Most of us do not want to see education minimized in our program. When that happens, it will officially mark the beginning of the end for MAO. (NT) -- No name, 20:00:30 09/07/15 Mon

The beginning of the end was MAO ignoring 9 years worth of complaints about the last group. (NT) -- No name, 00:19:52 09/08/15 Tue

I AM the person who posted that and I can honestly say, "yes," that is what you implied through your extremely flawed reasoning. You essentially said that anything less than a PhD from Duke gives a person no right to comment on a girl with "mediocre scholastic ambitions" competing in the program. There is a huge span of difference between "no" scholastic ambition, "mediocre," "adequate," "exceptional" and "outstanding." As a program, we should always strive to have girls who are (a minimum of) adequate to outstanding. Our expectations should be high, not lowered so the "mediocre" girls don't feel left out. If you want to compete in our program, strive harder. There's nothing wrong with sending that message. It's not the program for every girl. (NT) No name 20:51:22 09/07/15 Mon

You come on here claiming that Crystal is a liar, as if you are "in the know" and then make half-a**ed excuses by saying the press has better things to cover and MAO is too busy. You have no freakin clue, but keep coming on here ranting and raving about how Crystal has lowered the bar and she's some sort of fraud. The fraud is the person posting this crap on an anonymous message board. If I had proof that someone was a liar or fudging their credentials, I'd step forward, and keep stepping forward until someone listened. But you keep posting here. And you do that because you are either full of crap or don't have any tangible proof. And if truth be known, you probably are a beauty school dropout yourself, and have no business ranting about anyone else. (NT) -- No name, 00:08:10 09/08/15 Tue

Keep thinking all that stuff you just said. It's really ok. You'll eventually realize what many of us (I say "us," because again it's not just ONE person) already know: there's nothing that can be done about this. It doesn't matter because it just isn't that important to anyone but people who care about this pageant, and that is a very small number of people. Crystal is at MA and she'll be Miss IL for a year. And then we'll have new leadership who will hopefully be sure to do a better job checking paperwork, choosing judges and not using their personal insecurities to influence the outcome of the pageant. That's it. You can make this about us, but why aren't you asking someone you believe to be TRULY "in the know" about her? (NT) -- No name, 07:28:34 09/08/15 Tue

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Did I say that? There was a state titleholder in the 80's who made top 5 at Miss America with the scholastic ambition of finishing cosmotology school. If someone has an educational goal as a means to making an honest living, then I'm all for them using the scholarships in the Miss America program to get there. You missed the point entirely in calling out the person trying to discredit Crystal. While we don't know identity, I'd bet money that there own educational credentials aren't any better than Crystals. If they even have any beyond high school. (NT)	No name	19:28:08 09/07/15 Mon
I think you meant "their" credentials. (NT) -- No name, 20:00:03 09/07/15 Mon I'm not the person who posted that comment so I realize you're not speaking to me, but you are the one missing the point and what you say makes no sense. Most of us do not want to see education minimized in our program. When that happens, it will officially mark the beginning of the end for MAO. (NT) -- No name, 20:00:30 09/07/15 Mon The beginning of the end was MAO ignoring 9 years worth of complaints about the last group. (NT) -- No name, 00:19:52 09/08/15 Tue

I AM the person who posted that and I can honestly say, "yes," that is what you implied through your extremely flawed reasoning. You essentially said that anything less than a PhD from Duke gives a person no right to comment on a girl with "mediocre scholastic ambitions" competing in the program. There is a huge span of difference between "no" scholastic ambition, "mediocre," "adequate," "exceptional" and "outstanding." As a program, we should always strive to have girls who are (a minimum of) adequate to outstanding. Our expectations should be high, not lowered so the "mediocre" girls don't feel left out. If you want to compete in our program, strive harder. There's nothing wrong with sending that message. It's not the program for every girl. (NT)	No name	20:51:22 09/07/15 Mon
You come on here claiming that Crystal is a liar, as if you are "in the know" and then make half-a*ed excuses by saying the press has better things to cover and MAO is too busy. You have no freakin clue, but keep coming on here ranting and raving about how Crystal has lowered the bar and she's some sort of fraud. The fraud is the person posting this crap on an anonymous message board. If I had proof that someone was a liar or fudging their credentials, I'd step forward, and keep stepping forward until someone listened. But you keep posting here. And you do that because you are either full of crap or don't have any tangible proof. And if truth be known, you probably are a beauty school dropout yourself, and have no business ranting about anyone else. (NT) -- No name, 00:08:10 09/08/15 Tue* Keep thinking all that stuff you just said. It's really ok. You'll eventually realize what many of us (I say "us," because again it's not just ONE person) already know: there's nothing that can be done about this. It doesn't matter because it just isn't that important to anyone but people who care about this pageant, and that is a very small number of people. Crystal is at MA and she'll be Miss IL for a year. And then we'll have new leadership who will hopefully be sure to do a better job checking paperwork, choosing judges and not using their personal insecurities to influence the outcome of the pageant. That's it. You can make this about us, but why aren't you asking someone you believe to be TRULY "in the know" about her? (NT) -- No name, 07:28:34 09/08/15 Tue