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Subject: Re: Summer Camps


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Jack
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Date Posted: 15:57:32 08/26/18 Sun

Summer camp run by church ladies? Kept the boys nude during swimming. And the women approved, of course. I bet they'd've had a fit if a single issue of Playboy was found in a boy's cabin.

Oh, and if the boys grow up to be exhibitionists, the ladies would no doubt call them perverts and yell for the police.

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Author:
Old Timer
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Date Posted: 17:23:51 08/26/18 Sun

I went to such Summer camps run by a church group for inner city boys in the late 50s to early 60s between age 10 and 13.
The church volunteers running the camp were almost all women, mostly HS and college age girls and some older ones.

We had to swim naked, as was customary for boys at the time, while these church prime exemplary girls watched over us.
They were all white girls from their church while most of the inner city boys were black or latino and some whites. So we were a good assortment of all colors frolicking naked and getting in and out of the water under the watchful eyes of these girls.
Erections were also common among the boys during these times. Especially so since the councellor girls watching over us mostly wore swimsuits or short shorts.
Most of us boys did not mind swimming naked ‬since we were used to it, although some boys were embarrassed being naked in front of the girls and women especially if they were new ones.

Some of the camps were mixed but boys still had to swim naked while the girls wore swimsuits.

About your Playboy comment I will comment in my next post.
[> [> Subject: What The Hell is Going on With This Forum?


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Odd Job
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Date Posted: 17:56:24 08/26/18 Sun

You're responding to Jacks comment on summer camps.
I can't even find it.
What did the administrator do to this thread?
You can't follow it all now.
[> [> [> Subject: It appears as normal to me if you just click Main Index


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Roger
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Date Posted: 18:45:18 08/26/18 Sun

[> [> [> Subject: Re: What The Hell is Going on With This Forum?


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Date Posted: 10:39:00 11/23/20 Mon

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[> Subject: Re: Summer Camps


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Billy
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Date Posted: 20:04:44 08/29/18 Wed

>>Summer camp run by church ladies? Kept the boys nude during swimming. And the women approved, of course. I bet they'd've had a fit if a single issue of Playboy was found in a boy's cabin.

Oh, and if the boys grow up to be exhibitionists, the ladies would no doubt call them perverts and yell for the police.<<

We were forced to be naked for swimming in front of church ladies, girls, female teachers and others.
But this was only for swimming. If you exposed yourself in front of girls and women in any other situation you were severely punished.

Can anyone understand the logic of this? You were forced to be completely naked for hours at a time in front of girls and women for swimming lessons, meets and other swimming places but not acceptable in any other situation.
[> [> Subject: Re: Summer Camps


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Jackson
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Date Posted: 15:24:56 09/04/18 Tue

Agreed Billy, summer camps were simply a way to show girls bare naked boys. They got to swim with us and see us totally naked! Those people who worked the camps had their kids with them and the girls were allowed to swim with us totally naked.
I never understood why those girls got to see us without clothes on. They got to wear suits! We had no choice, we had to swim naked! And with that we had to let the girls look!
It was humiliating allowing them to see all we had. They knew exactly what we looked like! It was so unfair!
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Author:
Gil
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Date Posted: 15:06:36 09/26/18 Wed

When I was 10 I went with the Boys Club of America to summer camp as we were poor. The cost was minimal and my parents felt I deserved a camp experience. It was 1959 and many things were different than they are now.
One big thing was boys swam in the nude and it was socially accepted. Even being seen nude like that by young girls and women was allowed and it happened a lot.
Once at camp, I was surprised to see women and girls at the camp preparing our food and keeping the grounds clean. I found out later teachers who needed supplemental summer work often brought their family to work the campgrounds.
Our ciriculem involved swimming before we ate lunch and an evening swim after waiting an hour after dinner. Again, it was common for boys to swim and be seen nude by girls and women.
On Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays the families joined us in the pool and were involved in the Saturday cook out. This meant girls would swim in suits with nude boys along side of them.
For most of us this was our first time swimming in a real pool and swimming nude in front of girls. Many if us living in the inner city never got to a lake or ocean. There were no swimmin' holes for us to frequent, we were lucky to see an occasional water hydrant turned on.
This experience of swimming nude with girls in suits was not very comfortable for most of us plus having the girls snicker at seeing our erections was very humiliating. The girls were super excited seeing over 50 nude boys at the pool and better yet we were made to stay nude at the cook out giving the girls a good long look at all we had.
As stated before, many boys flourished in this situation showing off and flapping their erections all but in the faces of the girls. I was a bit shy and found difficulty in showing them my nude body. Not only that but also realizing that the girls were permitted to look to their hearts content! It felt so unfair giving them the chance to see our penises and compare our differences.
Many of us supported erections in front of the girls adding to our humiliation. I know I had an erection but there was little I could do to make it go away. I simply let the girls look and grimaced with agony as they saw my fully erected penis. I felt so exposed and on display as the different girls would entertain themselves with our penises as we stood nude before them.
Was it fair, no! Did I enjoy it, well not back then! Did the girls have fun? They sure did! And I guess that was all that mattered!
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Leslie
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Date Posted: 00:36:38 09/29/18 Sat

I was one of those girls who summered at camp as a worker. I was allowed to see the boys swim nude and swam with them at times.
Penises were visible any time the boys swam and any girl working the camp was allowed to swim with the boys after the 6:30 bugle sounded. There was plenty of light left in the day and there were many penises for us to see.
The boys showed signs of embarrassment and shame as we naturally looked at all they had. I know for a fact that not even half the girls would have made time to swim had the boys wore trunks, we were there to see the boys, the nude boys!
There was absolutely no cover for them, simply stand there exposed to our curious gaze! Many boys had erections and were very "red faced" about sharing their bodies like that. I saw penises of boys both younger and older than I was and never once tired of looking at their bodies.
At 8 o'clock we were ushered out of the pool by the lifeguard, who was, by the way, a female. We were made to get under the shower before we could leave which placed us right beside totally nude boys! This took up to half an hour waiting our turn to go under the shower before we could leave. The boys were completely nude from the time we got out of the water until the boys got into their cabins. Towels were not allowed as they were usually found in the pool or used to snap others in towel fights. We got to see their penises out of the water for sometimes as long as 45 minutes. That's a long time getting to Look At a nude boy!
At that time I was 10 and seeing penises was very exciting. My family returned for 4 years and my younger brother suffered the shame along with those boys at camp. He also went with us after showering to the staff cabins showing us his penis as we returned from the pool.
David was usually pretty embarrassed along with the other boys who worked the camp having to literally share their bodies with us on that long walk from the shower. We teased the boys to erections as we walked back openly talking about their penises as we wore suits while they were nude.
The girls without brothers would get in front of a boy and walk backward to get a good look at all the boy had. Usually having erections the boys testies were visible as well!
Many girls had crushed on a boy and would walk beside him looking him over real good. Every day she got to look directly at his penis knowing exactly what his penis looked like.
It was an embarrassing situation for the boys having to let us look at all they had. We saw the differences between circumcised and uncircumcised penises as the boys could do nothing to hide. We learned what a boner was and why boys got them. We saw short ones and long ones, fat ones and skinny ones. We talked to the boys about their differences and learned the why, what for and how come.
I knew my brothers body very well and sometimes would ask him embarrassing questions about his penis when we were alone. Many times the older girls who watched over us when the parents had a night swim or sat around the campfire let us talk about penises to the boys and we got to ask them questions about them. One time we walked to the front gate and got the boys to walk back nude. Even though it was too dark to see them it was fun knowing they were nude as they walked back to the cabin.
There was some touching and hanky-lanky going on as the boys walked nude and a few boys complained when their penises were touched but for the most part it was a display of manhood for the boy to allow one of us to cop a feel.
The talks we girls had between us about all we did were the best. It was exciting knowing the other girls were fascinated by the same things I was. I had many good friends from those days and never again after that did I enjoy the "girl talk" as much!
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Jeepman89
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Date Posted: 03:48:44 09/29/18 Sat

Thanks for sharing Leslie! How old were the oldest boys you saw naked when you were 10? How did they react to younger girls seeing them bare naked? Did any boys like being naked and show off for you girls? What did they do?
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Date Posted: 18:28:47 09/29/18 Sat

Leslie, I can relate to Rudy. I wasn't shy about showing off in front of girls all my life and I still do it when I have the chance. I love being naked in public being seen and shocking girls especially.
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Leslie
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Date Posted: 17:30:40 09/29/18 Sat

Jeepman 89 - I guess those boys were somewhere around 12 or 13. They seemed upset at us running around giggling at their being nude and embarrassed about us seeing them that way.
There was one boy who was rather forward about being there nude. His name was Rudy and he always had an erection for us to look at. He stood in front of 5 or 6 girls with his hands on his hips thrusting his erection out for all to see. It was very red and stiff as you could see veins buldging out on the shaft.
He seemed to be rather proud of all he had and never tried to run away or cover up. We really teased him a lot about showing off his penis but I think he might have been mentally handicapped. Not sure but it would fit the pattern, I guess.
His penis looked to be quite stiff and pointing straight up but he made no effort to move away or hide his privates!
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Billy
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Date Posted: 23:18:02 09/29/18 Sat

Leslie, you remind me of a boy who was a bit retarded when we had swimming lessons. We were normally 11-12 years old in the class but being slightly retarded he was a bit older at about 13 or 14.
He would sometimes erect during the lessons and start playing with his penis. His older sister or carer, I don't know what relation she was with him if any, would call him over to the bleacher and swat his butt when he did this, to the merriment of the girls present.
Being older he was more physically developed than us with a thick, stiff penis when erect, so he was more noticeable than us young boys. But like I said, in spite of his physical appearance he was a bit retarded and even us boys would laugh at seeing him jerk off in front of everyone.
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Leslie
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Date Posted: 01:06:41 09/30/18 Sun

Billy, the boys all seemed to start erecting after one boy fully erected. Is there something stimulating boys see in another male erecting?
I will confess, I was really excited getting to see those nude boys at that age. I was fascinated by the way boys erected and getting to watch Rudy or any boy erect for that matter really got me going. Another thing that really turned me on was watching the other boys around a boy as his erection grew. Everyone got real quiet as we all experienced his penis as it grew. It was a special thing for us to get to watch! Why did the other boys watch him erect too?The other boys looked as if they were frightened but still watched along with us. My brother would get an erection if we watched another boy growing. I asked him if he was excited seeing the boy growing but he said he was just embarrassed that all the girls got to see that boy erect. That was a private thing that all the girls all knew about now, They all knew what a boy looks like as he grew!
It was exciting seeing the slow process of it stiffening but more fun knowing how embarrassed they had to be as we got to watch. They were vulnerable, totally nude and exposed! We all had suits to cover up with but all the boys were nude!
I got to see so many penises both limp and erect. It was very exciting knowing so much about boys and seeing their penises. Like I said, Rudy let us look at him a lot and for long periods of time. And once erect he stayed that way for us to see. It was everything male about him and we got to see it all. I guess he was embarrassed, he was erect the entire time! We sure enjoyed getting to look at him!
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Billy
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Date Posted: 10:33:25 10/01/18 Mon

"Billy, the boys all seemed to start erecting after one boy fully erected. Is there something stimulating boys see in another male erecting? "

Leslie, there was nothing stimulating when one boy got erect and a few others started getting erect also. It may have been contageous or something, probably more psychological due to shame and embarrassment.

The worst part was standing in line at attention for roll call right in front of everyone on the bleachers. Not that there were many spectators, usually just moms and sisters who brought the boys for the lessons.
Standing in line facing the bleachers with all eyes on our naked bodies a few boys would always get erect, one following the other.
The moms probably saw it as cute, which is why they never complained or objected to our nudity, after all we were just preteen boys with immature genitals and still hairless.
But undoubtedly the young girls our age saw it as exciting and maybe even erotic. But they were careful not to make any comments or signs so as not to incur the displeasure of their moms.
But for most of us boys it was a shaming experience, although we just accepted it as normal and necessary back then.
The relief came after the roll call when we entered the water, where at least our penises were not on open display for the girls to see.

Did you find the experience of seeing all those naked boys as a young girl exciting to the point of erotic, or just interesting?
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Joseph
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Date Posted: 14:05:47 11/03/18 Sat

I went to summer camp only once. The mixed nude swimming was an complete embarrassment for me. I would erect every time we swam with girls. We were teased endlessly about erecting and having to expose ourselves to the girls.
They got to see us completely nude and nothing was ever said about the shame we were made to endure. Not only were we made to expose ourselves to the girls but there were 70 some nude boys for the girls to see. Each and every one of us were totally exposed to the girls! Just knowing they were allowed to see us that way was horrendously humiliating. They knew exactly what our penises looked like!
The girls saw penises of every conceivable shape and size! It was so unfair! All I could do was allow them to look and laugh! My erection was so stiff it was throbbing from the intense shame I went thru! It was very embarrassing!
The girls saw nothing wrong in comparing us as we stood totally nude and vulnerable. Our penises were the main topic in any female conversation and the girls were Hell bent on letting us know they could see them. Being made to swim nude was very one sided in the girls favor and our penises were simply on display for the girls to look at! They had all the cards in this situation allowing them to,look to their hearts desire and the more they looked the harder I got!
Some of the older girls would take liberties and pull down on my erection making it spring back up flopping in the air as they laughed at my embarrassment. My stomach would tie itself in knots as the girls teased us using our penis to make fun of us! The other girls would laugh as you were openly humiliated as a girl touched your erect penis!
We had 4 events where we had to share the pool with girl giving them ample opportunities to see and abuse liberties with our penises, exposed like they were! The teasing cut like a knife as we knew they could see our penises and were shamed and humiliated that they could see ours all they wanted but we could never see theirs! Something as personal as sharing your genitals with those of the opposite sex is very traumatic at that age. Letting them scope out all you have is very embarrassing and to get teased about it only adds insult to injury.
Other times a group of girls would approach you and start talking about your penis, seeing your foreskin or taunting you about being erect. Using your penis as a prop for their teasing was the worse thing to have to endure. There it was for them to see and they went on making fun of it as it stuck straight up!
I hated the forced exposure to the girls along with the endless teasing. I went only 1 year before I begged my parents never to make me go again!
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Sam
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Date Posted: 11:42:37 11/05/18 Mon

It was normal for boys to swim nude at Summer camp in the 50s and 60s.
Often the 10 to 12 year old boys. sometimes 13, had female councellors as volunteers, mostly HS or college age girls.
They supervised us during the swimming and we were all naked.
Sometimes we had mixed swimming but the girls always wore swimsuits. We saw it as unfair that the girls wore swimsuits while we had to be naked.
It was undoubtedly enjoyable for the girls to see us boys all naked. But we had to endure the shame because we enjoyed swimming anyway and considered it as the norm back then.

The older boys and male counsellors swam in a different area, though still naked, but girls were not normally allowed with them.
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Anya
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Date Posted: 12:06:57 11/05/18 Mon

Was it in a pool or open air at a lake or something like that?
Were the girls wearing one-piece swimsuit or bikini?
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Sam
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Date Posted: 09:34:37 11/06/18 Tue

Anya, it was usually at the lake near our camp.
The girls wore either one-piece swimsuits or bikini, whatever they brought along with them for the camp.
But the boys always had to be nude for swimming, it was the rule of the camp. Sometimes we complained to our female counsellors why we had to be nude in front of the girls, they would reply that it was always the tradition of the camp and we had to abide by the rules.
I guess it was the same at many schools during swim classes, at the YMCA and other places.
I think one reason was that boys behaved better, and were less likely to bother girls when we were naked due to the shame.
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Jake
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Date Posted: 00:48:15 11/07/18 Wed

I agree! I know when I was nude in front of my sister's and other girls I tried not to attract any undue attention to myself.
Think about it!!! There I was with my penis exposed and 4 girls there who could see me do you think I will run around flailing my arms or do you think I would be calm and quiet hoping that no one there would pay attention to my slowly erecting penis!
It was definitely a double standard!
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Michelle for Sam
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Date Posted: 05:34:52 11/07/18 Wed

If a boy did misbehave, did the female counselor have the authority to swat him or even give him a spanking ?
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Alex
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Date Posted: 08:51:34 11/07/18 Wed

Not sure being naked made me behave better in all situations, but one thing that is certain was that when a few girls were around us I tried to turn the front part in an opposite direction. That attempt resulted in a failure when girls were positioned all around. I ever wondered if they did it on purpose. And yes, in that situation I tried to get the least attention on myself as possible.
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Date Posted: 10:40:05 11/23/20 Mon

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Sarah
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Date Posted: 19:17:44 11/07/18 Wed

Wow, I was born in the 80s so I never lived anything like that. I really love hearing real stories about that time. I feel a bit sorry for those who lived it as males and were embarrassed about it. But I'm so happy for the girls; it must have been amazing for you.

I'd love to hear more real experiences, both from the male and female point of view. Seriously, it sounds like a beautiful fairy tale of a better world for me.
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Jeepman89
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Date Posted: 19:48:55 11/07/18 Wed

Sarah, I didn't go to summer camp but we had a version of it in my neighborhood. At 16 I was quite the exhibitionist and tried to get naked in front of girls as much as possible and I still do. I have told many stories in these forums.

There was a group of girls of different ages that lived in my neighborhood and I was dared many times to get naked for them. A girl named Shirley and her friends would try to get me naked as much as possible and many times even in public places. I would get totally bare naked for them in Shirley's backyard and even in a nearby park. The girls ranged from 10-14 and they would always remain clothed while I was expected to get all my clothes off. It was sort of a summer camp with us playing games with me totally bare ass naked and them getting me to run around naked in the backyard, in the basement, in the garage and even in the public park. A few times I even walked with them down the street naked. Needless to say I would get really excited and sported a full hardon many times especially with the girls touching me all over and making comments about me being totally naked.

The older girls loved showing me to the younger girls, often times it was their little sisters and allowing them to grab my dick balls and ass. I have had many adventures and continue to do so even now.
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Alex to Sarah
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Date Posted: 00:40:22 11/08/18 Thu

It was not that easy and certainly not a fairy tale.
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Sarah
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Date Posted: 10:39:13 11/08/18 Thu

I just realized something: the fathers and mothers of my generation are precisely the boys and girls of yours. So I thought:

Can it be that the reason that neither our dads nor our moms made the boys swim naked was precisely because they lived it? I mean, the fathers provably remembered how embarrassing it was, and the mothers remembered how much they enjoyed teasing the boys when they were young. So maybe they all decided to spare their sons that embarrassment.

I don't know, maybe it's just a coincidence, but hearing all of you I thought it might be precisely because your generation lived it, that you didn't make your sons pass through these experiences.
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Sam to Michelle
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Date Posted: 13:29:57 11/08/18 Thu

"If a boy did misbehave, did the female counselor have the authority to swat him or even give him a spanking ?"

Yes, the female counselors could swat the boys for misbehaviour or breaking camp rules.
During swimming they would call a boy who was badly misbehaving and swat his bare bottom with their hand in front of everyone.
Spankings were reserved for badly breaking camp rules and were given in the counselor's room with another counselor, or her assistant, as witness. It was also given bare with a small paddle.
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Michelle to Sam
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Date Posted: 11:09:43 11/09/18 Fri

So, from what you remember, do you have any impressions that the female counselors ever swatted a boy or boys for trivial reasons?
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Sam to Sarah
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Date Posted: 14:12:23 11/08/18 Thu

I think the main reason was that it had been the custom for many generations and started to change sometime in the late 60s.
Our parents, and everyone else, took it for granted that it was the norm for boys to swim naked.
Our parents of the time grew up in the same situation, so it was nothing new. In fact if boys complained to our fathers they would reply that it did them no harm when they were our age and did the same thing.

Also remember that not all boys were embarrassed or ashamed being seen naked by girls. Many of us even enjoyed it and many girls also envied our freedom as boys.
We were used to it from a young age and even preferred to skinnydip when we could, with girls present or not. It was when we were forced to do it at other places under adult supervision, when we did not have that freedom to act freely, that there was a sense of shame.

I understand what you, and other girls of this present generation, mean when you say that it would have been very exciting for you if you lived back then to have the opportunity to see all those naked boys.
The girls our age or younger especially were always thrilled to see us boys naked during swimming because it would not have been allowed in any other situation, with a few exceptions.

Like I said, it was the accepted norm by everyone that boys swam naked up to a certain age, usually till they started growing pubic hair at about 13 or 14 at most, in the presence of girls.
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Jeepman89 (Jeepman to Sarah)
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Date Posted: 14:45:55 11/08/18 Thu

Hi Sarah, did you read my version of a summer camp story?
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Gwen
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Date Posted: 14:46:01 03/08/19 Fri

Sarah, I have been reading on this post for about 3 months reliving many times when I saw naked boys while dressed. Swimming, spankings, older sisters exposing them to girls in the neighborhood. Yes it was really exciting seeing and understanding so much about their bodies while remaining a mystery to the boys.
I have very fond memories about it and still get excited thinking about all I got to see! Watching as a boy grew erect was such an exciting moment for a 8 or 9 year old girl, better yet if the boy was older than I was!
Knowing so many boy secrets helped us as we grew older not being trampish trying to see what boys looked like. We already knew, it was shown to us at a young age.
My brother was so eat up with wanting to know what I looked like naked as I got to see him naked many, many times. I became very confident knowing about his penis and watching him grow to an erection over and over! I never grew tired of seeing him stiffen but I was satisfied with all the times I did get to see him grow!
Yes I teased him about it and made sure he knew I could see it as it grew! I commented on his shape and size, how it looked like a soldier with a helmet on when he was erect and always how I could see his but he never saw mine! I was young and developing myself, but knowing about his body as I kept mine a secret made everything so much more exciting. Like I was getting away with something. I would be sure he knew I was looking at him as he stood naked.
It was a great time to be a girl getting to see so many naked boys while I was so young. Getting to see theirs but not having to show them mine was the icing on the cake! As with my brother my mom saw nothing wrong with my interest in seeing him naked and I got to look all I wanted, enjoying his shame!. It was horribly embarrassing for him but it was wonderful for me and other girls of that time. I only wish you could have been there to share in the excitement!
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Willy to Gwen
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Date Posted: 01:59:05 03/12/19 Tue

Hi Gwen I can only imagine what a wonderful time you had growing up seeing nude boys.The boys would of had different reactions to being nude in your and other girls presence,some embarrassed,some enjoyed it,some just accepted it.I accepted being nude and saw being nude as a boy thing while modesty wasa girl thing ,although I am a bit younger than you.Gwen one question for you it seems there was a lot of sexism but in your day .Do you thing your mums having no issue with girls seeing nude boys was a mother's way of evening things up a little.
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Alex
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Date Posted: 11:33:50 11/09/18 Fri

Sarah, just like Sam said, it was a long lasting tradition for which most parents could not really have any clear explanation or justification.
If I complained about being naked while girls were not, my remarks or questions were simply not being given any credit. It seemed absolutely logical to them that it was ok for boys to play naked in such environment involving water, while it was not appropriate for girls. My feelings of shyness/embarrassment were discussed jokingly an I finally 'adapted' to my fate. Strangely as it seems the feeling of shame didn't stop me from building sometimes nice friendships even with some girls, despite the naked/covered difference. There were a few girls who had that way to amplify (voluntarily or not) the embarrassment, but my aunt kept saying a lot was in my imagination.
How do you relate to it personally? Do you agree girls needed more modesty than boys? Until what age would you consider it was normal for boys to go naked at the beach or lake?
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Date Posted: 12:02:29 11/09/18 Fri

Hi Alex,

Since you asked my opinion, here it goes. But keep in mind I never lived it, so this is the opinion of somebody who heard about it in the stories of the people of your generation. So it's kind of a "mythical time", kind of reading Conan the Barbarian or things like that.

My serious, "official" point of view: I would never do that to my son and I think it was one of the many things from a few decades ago that sound very "uncivilized" for our 21st century minds. It is also a blatantly sexist double standard, so it was, to put it simple, wrong.

However, I'm a woman and I can't deny it's super cool to imagine all you guys feeling so exposed and embarrassed and all the girls enjoying it much more that they would admit, and teasing you to increase your discomfort.

So I have different feelings about it. I do feel a bit sorry for you guys but... what the hell, it sounds awesome! I'm so happy for the girls in your generation! I wish there had been many more exposed penises in my time! LOL

PS: BTW, I recently saw a video from a German movie that perfectly shows the double standard. In there u can see how boys seem to find it totally normal to strip to take a swim, while girls watch and giggle, but still consider it normal. A pretty cute depiction of your time:

http://women-rule.blogspot.com/2018/10/krempoli-1975.html
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Date Posted: 12:37:00 11/09/18 Fri

I must admit that this videoclip depicts exactly the situation I experienced, except that in my case it happened only in the context of the beach.
I also tried to place myself in the position of girls of that time and I can imagine the pleasure and feeling of power that not only my female cousins but also other girls had at that time. I want to say that I never felt any hostility towards girls. I was clearly jealous, frustrated, uncomfortable about being in that situation while girls had it so 'easy', but I always respected girls. I know you might believe that friendships in such circumstances resulted unprobable.
Had you been in such situation, would you have ALWAYS kept your swimsuit on? Would you have increased the feeling of shame that boys had? What would you have done precisely? It would be interesting to learn from how you imagine or perceive it now. I also would get chances to understand what girls intentions were at that time, and if like my family said, it was only my own imagination.
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Date Posted: 13:20:11 11/09/18 Fri

Well, I think we should ask the ladies of your generation about how they felt. But I can imagine how much they enjoyed it (specially in a time without internet or many other chances for a girl to see any nudity).

And I do believe friendships between boys and girls could happen. Actually, I imagine if I was one of the girls I'd have liked making friends with the boys, and therefore have more chances to see them nude.

As for what would I have done: I suppose I would have gone for a "sweet but cruel" approach. I'd pretend I sympathized with your embarrassment, saying things that looked like I supported you, but meant to embarrass you even further. Like "Oh, Tim, it must be embarrassing for you to be naked, isn't it? I could never do that". I suppose I'd also tease boys who got stiffies.

Also, if there was a boy I didn't like at all (or actually also one I did like a lot), I'd make comments to embarrass him, such as "Have you girls noticed how Tony's willy is much bigger than Tom's? Poor Tom... he's never gonna get married with that tiny thing!". I know it would have been cruel, but when I was younger I wouldn't have hesitated to give you a hard time (sorry for that, but we ladies love being evil with guys LOL).
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Alex
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Date Posted: 13:50:17 11/09/18 Fri

Maybe because you grew pubes late as well
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Date Posted: 21:01:14 12/15/18 Sat

Sarah, you say something very revealing. That it was good to have boys swim nude with girls in suits, "specially in a time without internet or many other chances for a girl to see any nudity". That shows that you are far from being able to understand the boys' point of view. Believe me, there were far more opportunities for a girl to see boys' nudity that there were opportunities for a boy. Girls could ask a mother to let them watch a baby boy being changed or even just invite themselves in. Boy and man I've seen it many times. Only once did I see a mother refuse and tell the girl to leave. And soon thereafter the girl had pulled down the boy's diaper. The women all laughed it off.
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Date Posted: 19:24:48 12/26/18 Wed

There is truth in what you say. I have seen it too. When my cousins son was born all the young girls crouded around the coffee table to watch his diaper change. I could see from their reactions as the girls were nudging each other that they were there to see his penis! It was their chance to see what made boys different. The same thing happened when he was bathed, they all stood around looking and smiling as they got to see what made him different.
But in all honesty, this was not the girls fault. They did not create that opportunity the mother did. Those girls were simply curious about seeing a nude boy. They were thrilled by his penis and found excitement from seeing exactly what his penis looked like.
I know that because I did it myself. My best friend had a baby brother and her and I would talk about how funny his pee-pee looked and how much we wanted to touch it to see how it felt.
Soon enough Rosie was changing his diapers and we would play with his penis as much as we could. When her mom went out and left her to watch him she would call me and we would strip him nude and let him run around with his penis flopping around.
She got to bathe and dress him and soon after I got to bathe and dress him. It was all we could ever think of.
Many boys don't understand it but we got so much of it then we were not excited about it as we got older and with the boys just discovering what girls had we liked seeing boys nude, but it was nothing like the sex drive the boys had in Jr. and Sr. High school!
We were called everything from prudes to dukes because the curiosity was not there. We had seen boy parts for years so it was nothing new to us!
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Date Posted: 17:20:24 04/30/20 Thu

Thank you for your frank statements. It's interesting to see you think your cool behavior around boys as a teen was due to your having been able to satisfy your curiosity with so many younger boys as a girl. As the oldest child of a large extended family, I got plenty of curiosity about girls' parts satisfied before my age hit double digits and even afterward. As a tween/teen I was sometimes surprised at how forward girls my age could be, expecting me to satisfy their curiosity. I don't know whether it was curiosity about me in particular or about me as a representative of the boys, but it was there. I always responded that they wouldn't get to see anything they hadn't shown (ladies before gentlemen, you know). None of them came across. All of them promised to provide me with a show if I would only give them just a peek. I didn't trust them, so they got what they gave.
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Date Posted: 11:16:03 08/22/20 Sat

Dear Sarah.

Referring to this scene from a German film, I must say that double standards are becoming more and more common in films from this country.
A good example here will be "Tiger girl" from 2017. It tells about the lives of two girls from Berlin. Male actors play supporting roles here and are shown several times naked in front and behind. Of course, their naked performances take place in the presence of the dressed main characters.

https://cdn-men.aznude.com/benjaminlutzke/tigergirl/benjamin_lutzke_9e4993.jpg


In a memorable scene, girls bored in a shopping mall decide to see a boy naked. Posing as security staff, they take to the back of a previously selected client (Lucas Englander). There, they force him to undress while clearly having fun.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Bxh-c0f4-ZM/WdPMHsp2GKI/AAAAAAAAQCg/_hT_F8eFcyYh-g4KKi9v20OGSwsa7nilQCLcBGAs/s1600/Tiger%2BGirl%255B%2528066982%252904-54-28%255D.JPG
They perform a stripsearch procedure -really embarrassing, humiliating and exciting in the meantime.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jbJ7nyWwIqA/WdPMKijoUtI/AAAAAAAAQCk/HWCadLZnRl4lKJSSvb2kbDpc0RCo9em5wCLcBGAs/s1600/Tiger%2BGirl%255B%2528067089%252904-55-54%255D.JPG

Completely naked, he has to show them his ass (which the girls are touching), then turn around to see everything carefully. After all, the girls run away taking his clothes.
https://cdn-men.aznude.com/lucasenglander/tigergirl/lucas_englander_427289.jpg
The whole scenę: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LgTqoZXiyhE
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Sarah
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Date Posted: 13:24:16 11/09/18 Fri

PS: And, just in case you're still doubting it: it wasn't only in your imagination. All those girls took advantage of you and enjoyed every minute of it. I'm totally sure they all commented on it all afterwards, from "Ben has a cute butt" to "Jimmy's willy is so big, he's like a donkey" (not to mention the fun we'd have at the expenses of the boy with the smallest penis...).
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Date Posted: 13:33:55 11/09/18 Fri

You said you would have made fun of the size. Would you (like I had the impression but when thinking about it many years later) have made fun about a boy your age not having any hair (unless you were still hairless yourself)?
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Sarah
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Date Posted: 13:44:21 11/09/18 Fri

No, I don't think at the time we'd have paid attention to hair
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Alex
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Date Posted: 13:52:35 11/09/18 Fri

Maybe because you grew pubes late as well. I was hairless until 13.
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Date Posted: 09:16:23 11/13/18 Tue

Our church put together a group to go to a summer camp when I was 9. My parents wanted a summer alone and signed me up. I was upset that they just shipped me off but it turned out to be the most exciting summer in my young life.
The boys swam nude allowing me to see their penises without my parents there. I experienced their penises first hand seeing circumcised and uncircumcised, erections the whole enchilada!
We were free to look even though the boyscwete embarrassed about it! Most of the councilors were female so we got to spend plenty of time with the boys when they were nude. There were many swim parties set up with games and food. The boys were nude and when out if the water we could see all they had. The boys erected and stayed erect or would go flaccid then re erect over and over. It was fun to racecover to watch a boy getting hard and seeing his penis stretch out until fully erect! There it was for all to see! We got to watch as they grew seeing the entire process from soft to hard on so many boys!
Teasing was frowned upon but it did happen. It was usually very casual only directed to one boy!
The big thing was seeing the boys with foreskin come off their tip exposing their mushroom! I loved it when I got to watch that!
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Date Posted: 18:19:56 11/13/18 Tue

Hi Debbie,

I'm so happy you got to have that much fun! At that age, I would have loved it too!
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Date Posted: 23:35:57 11/14/18 Wed

Clarence, how old were you at the time? How any years did this go on for? I know this shouldn't have happened but as a female I love to read about it. My boys do sometimes swim naked in our pool & yes they have been seen by their sisters often & their sisters friends & cousins on rare occasions. But the girls do not act like what you & others say back in those days.
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Date Posted: 23:57:22 11/14/18 Wed

Margaret, what is the reaction of the girls to seeing your boys naked?
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Margaret
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Date Posted: 04:45:13 11/15/18 Thu

My girls have no real reaction, they have seen it all many times over the years including spankings. They do like seeing them get spanked though. The visitors just smile when they are in the pool or drying off, at which point the boys cover up.
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To Margaret
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Date Posted: 07:42:44 11/15/18 Thu

How old are the boys?

And why are the girls more interested in seeing them get spanked?
Is it because the boys put more of a show when being spanked than they are swimming?
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Margaret
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Date Posted: 03:50:48 11/16/18 Fri

They are now 18 & 16. The boys always put on a show when being spanked, whether that they were erect before the spankings or the spanking dances they did after one or sometimes 'coming to attention' in the corner.
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Date Posted: 12:38:23 11/16/18 Fri

My Aunt and Uncle lived only a few blocks away so I visited my cousins frequently. They had 4 kids in their family, 3 boys and one girl. Terri was the #3 child having 2 older and one younger brothers.
My aunt would always punish her boys while they were in the nude providing Terri and I with some exciting afternoons. There were always erect penises involved and we both absolutely loved seeing that.

John was the oldest and he was 14. He was well into puberty and was my favorite to see in the nude. His penis was longer and thicker and he had pubic hair. When erect his penis was a good 5 or 6 inches long and quite thick! It was a treat when John got punished getting to see his penis slowly swell into a full erection then see his paddling making that erection bounce all around. After the paddling the boys were made to stand exposed for 15 minutes as an additional punishment giving Terri a chance to scope out their penises.
Bill was second oldest just a year and a half younger. He was my Aunts "wild child" always getting into trouble. Terri and I got to see his penis a lot as he received both paddlings and corner time. My Aunt would make him stand in the corner nude facing out and "allow" us to tease Bill about seeing him nude! His penis would also erect sending shivers down my spine. I loved watching the boys erect knowing they were that embarrassed along with getting to watch something so personal like that happen. Bill seemed less embarrassed than John but maybe it was because we teased him about seeing him nude so much!
Terri was a little over a year younger than Bill. Her and Bill were always fighting and bicker,g about one thing or another, I guess it was sibling rivalry for the position of middle child but they were always going on about one thing or another!
Mikie was the youngest almost 2 years younger than Terri. He was usually paddled but did get nude corner time as well. His penis was small in comparison with the other boys but it was still fun to watch as he "bonered up" often crying over the shame of being seen. A few times our other girl cousin Beth who was a year younger than Mikie, was over when Mikie was punished. She would touch his penis as he stood in the corner making him scream at her, only making things that much worse for him.
Get to,g to see the boys nude in different stages of male development was very exciting but I as totally in favor of seeing John's penis.
As we all got older John allowed me to handle his penis and bring him to climax when we were alone. We often met at a treehouse we all built with extra wood we found. I developed a huge crush on him as I fondled his penis, never once telling Terri about all we did!
I learned a lot about his penis as I eagerly enjoyed John's equipment. He let me explore his body and allowed me to uncover all his manly secrets. Although we were never caught in the act it was obvious to Terri how I felt about John. She noticed how he always greeted me when I came over and how be never was angry with me.
Even though I pleasured him we were still 5 years apart and I guess that was the thing that Terri couldn't understand! Why did John put up with me and not her?
At 11 I wasfulky exposed to a nude boy only years away from manhood! I absolutely loved it!!!
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Jaquard
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Date Posted: 21:05:37 12/15/18 Sat

Margaret, do your daughters ever swim nude? If so, in their brothers' presence?
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Margaret
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Date Posted: 07:50:10 12/16/18 Sun

Yes, they do. At night they will swim naked with the boys. Not in the day time in front of boys though.
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Date Posted: 08:43:17 12/16/18 Sun

Why are your daughters not naked during the day?
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Date Posted: 21:58:04 11/14/18 Wed

I was one of those boys who ached with shame because of swimming nude when we had the Girl Scouts swim with us! I thank God it only happened 2 times each year but they were there and they got to see it all.
The shame was very intense as so much was shared freely and most of those girls were ones I didn't even know. My penis was fully on display as I tried to not attract any undue attention from all those girls. It was awful having to say "Hi!" to a girl as she got to look at my penis!
My stomach was on fire as I saw girls pointing and laughing at nude boys like myself as our penises stretched out to full erections from the shame and humiliation! Then once erect we had to face these girls with our erections pointing towards the sky! Many would look down their eyes and point right at your erection smirking like they were saying "What's that?"
It was impossible not to overhear their comments on how funny we looked or how our penises looked so stiff they feared they might burst. The shame was so intense as the girls simply looked right at your erection as it stood engorged with blood or worse yet watched as you slowly grew hard right before their eyes. It was something you never thought you would share with a girl then suddenly you are surrounded by girls teasing you about your penis sticking straight up.
Nothing can prepare you for that kind of humiliation as your penis is right out in the open for so many girls to see. Your heart is beating 1000 beats per minute and your erection is bouncing in time with your heartbeat. The girls are laughing at you and there is nothing you can do but let them look!It is truly very embarrassing to say the least!
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Date Posted: 22:38:18 11/14/18 Wed

Clarence, were you or any boys really excited about the girls seeing you bare naked and did any boys actually enjoy it and show off? I know I would show off for sure.
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Date Posted: 04:08:07 11/23/20 Mon

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Clarence
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Date Posted: 22:50:55 11/14/18 Wed

There were always a few who would wiggle their boners to make girls laugh or that one who let a few girls touch it, yes it happened. Most if us were quite mortified seeing the girls there and knowing they were looking us over like meat at a butcher shop!
I know I was not excited because I remember my stomach felt like a hornets nest and my erection ached from being stiff that entire day. The girls got to tease us endlessly about getting to see us nude and you know there was always that one girl who would walk by a boy, push his boner down and let it spring back up. That had to be one of their traditions as it happened at least once every time we swam with them! All the girls found that funny but I know I sympathized with that poor bastard who had not only a girl touch his boner but also was humiliated in front of everyone there!
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Date Posted: 04:38:17 11/15/18 Thu

I sent a message to you but it has appeared in the wrong place, just a few posts above yours.
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Date Posted: 07:56:08 11/15/18 Thu

I presume that you were supervised by adult or older Scouts during these swims.
I can't imagine them allowing boys to display boners in front of the girls or the girls touching their penises and boners.

What kind of Scouts was this and how old were you boys and girls?
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Jaquard
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Date Posted: 17:36:55 02/09/19 Sat

Thanks for your honesty and candor, Sarah. You are indeed a princess.
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Date Posted: 17:18:48 11/23/18 Fri

Again, frank and insightful, Sarah.
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Date Posted: 17:16:33 11/23/18 Fri

Correction, Alex. There was a total lack of logic in their thinking. It was simply a set of assertions proving nothing.
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Bob James
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Date Posted: 17:44:42 12/28/18 Fri

Like Alex I swam naked with other boys with girls watching us. Sure it was embarrassing at times but that's just how it was then. Most of the time the girls were discrete about it all but we knew they enjoyed it. I have to admit it was exciting to let the girls see us naked. In some ways it was fun to be at other camp events wearing clothes and being around girls who had seen us naked. There were may 10 or 12 of us boys who were naked and the girls knew a lot of boys so we were in some ways part of a special group of boys the girls had seen in ways they had never seen other boys.
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Jaquard
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Date Posted: 17:20:24 03/28/19 Thu

I think you've hit on a contributing factor, though there may have been other contributing social factors.
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Date Posted: 23:01:35 11/12/20 Thu

Bigh, we haven't heard much from you.
Let's hear your story.
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Bigh
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Date Posted: 19:38:01 11/12/20 Thu

You are not far off. But the real reason it all changed was due to equal justice! I was never forced, and I have a very different perspective on nude boys with dressed girls. If you wanna hear I’ll be happy to share my story. It happened in late 50 to mid 60’s
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To Sarah
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Date Posted: 23:21:43 11/02/20 Mon

It was not embarrassing to all of us. Many of us felt it was a priveldge to be naked in front of so many girls without getting into trouble.

I would love for it to still be happening today in every school with all the males totally naked while all the girls stayed modestly dressed. It should be the norm
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Date Posted: 17:53:22 11/10/20 Tue

What years did you get to go to camp. Would you like to see male nudity required again? Would you like to see more cfnm in public areas? I’m a bit of a submissive and would like to see forced male nudity. Example if a female ask any male anywhere, anytime to undress he must obey.
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Bigh
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Date Posted: 16:26:50 11/11/20 Wed

What years did you get to go to camp. Would you like to see male nudity required again? Would you like to see more cfnm in public areas? I’m a bit of a submissive and would like to see forced male nudity. Example if a female ask any male anywhere, anytime to undress he must obey.
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Bigh
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Date Posted: 21:59:48 11/12/20 Thu

I see this was posted a bit over two years ago. I was wondering at what age did you stop liking to look a naked males
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Date Posted: 17:24:44 12/05/20 Sat

Leslie, I went to a camp like that starting at age 11 till i was 15
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Date Posted: 20:50:05 04/29/20 Wed

I was 16 and at the boy scout camp we swam naked. One afternoon after swimming I saw my girlfriend, her mom and 10 year old sister coming to the pool. My GFs brother was at camp and they were bringing him medicine. I told her brother they we here do we got out of the pool and walked over named to meet them. My GF's mouth dropped open when she saw me naked but them smiled. Suzie her youg sister said, "they're naked." Her mom said, " of course that's how boys swim at camp, it's all right" Before they left her mom took a picture of us standing there them told the girls to stand next to us and took a picture.
That Saturday even back home I went to pick up my GF for a date. In the car my GF opened her purse and showed me the pictures and told me how much she enjoyed seeing me naked and showed the pictures to her close friends and hoped it was ok. I said it was fine and that I didn't mind at all. It was quite a thrill to let her see me naked and her friends as well. Good memory.
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Date Posted: 03:14:03 04/30/20 Thu

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Theo
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Date Posted: 20:45:50 04/30/20 Thu

Do you just go thread to thread trying to piss people off? You really are pathetic!
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BS Smeller
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Date Posted: 02:33:28 05/01/20 Fri

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Toni
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Date Posted: 11:56:29 05/01/20 Fri

You really are some kind of a man there BS Smeller. You must not have a girlfriend having to find your excitement belittling others on sites like this! I really wish you would find a site you liked because it is obvious you don't like this one.
Your silly little comments are truly not appreciated making fun of entertainers and US Presidents. They are really not funny at all so you can look into finding a comedy site to improve on your joke skills!
To be honest, no one likes a troll and you are a pathetic troll at that. Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and move on to another site. Your foolish little quips are stupid and if they are attempts at humor they need a lot of work.
In all reality you may need professional help to overcome your attention needs. It is obvious you are a sad and lonely individual who craves any and all kinds of attention.
Well here you go, I hope you enjoyed the only kind of attention you will get on this site!
You are welcome!
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he
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Date Posted: 10:41:24 11/23/20 Mon

thanks
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Kathy B
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Date Posted: 23:16:24 08/19/20 Wed

From ages 8 to 13 I swam at a small pond with boys naked and us girls in panties. For us girls it was kind of "so what if they're naked" we didn't care or get all excited that how we grew up. The boys never seemed to be embarrassed, for them it was normal too. It ended when the boys finished Jr high and we started developing breasts.
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To Kathy
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Date Posted: 19:57:26 11/04/20 Wed

Don't worry Kathy, most of us boys did not care that we we totally naked while you were dressed. I would have rather have had you in a one piece suit then just panities however even if we were fully exposed to you. I think it was totally fair that girls were dressed while males were naked.

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Jackson Carlson
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Date Posted: 06:32:43 12/23/18 Sun

All through High School I worked as a camp counselor for a 5th thru 7th grade boys camp. It was a boys only camp so the boys all swam naked and so did us counselors.
Not far away was an all girls camp for 5th through 7th and us men counselors would go see the girl counselors during our free times. During the two weeks we developed some strong relationships including heaving kissing and making out.
The last day of camp the boys had a practice swim meet in the morning and the girls camp and counselors came to watch. The boys were shocked to have to swim naked with all the girls seeing them naked. The girl counselors didn't care about seeing the little boys naked but they really enjoyed us counselors standing around naked to supervise. Amazing the young girls especially the 7th graders took more interest in seeing us high school guys naked than the boys naked. It was quite an experience having the girl counselors got to see us naked. There was some embarrassment but mostly excitement.
The real shock came when parents and family came and watched the afternoon swim meet. Older sisters gave us naked male counselors a lot of attention but not as much as the moms. I had no idea that 30-40 year old moms would get to aroused and excited seeing us teen age boys naked. We actually thought it was funny.
There were 6 two week camp sessions so there were six swim meets each summer where family attended and saw us counselors naked. We got used to them seeing us naked and it we actually enjoyed all the attention from the girls and moms who came to the meets.The girl counselors at the girls camp were the same so we got to know them well and since they saw us naked, they really got to know us well. After the two weeks camp, we invited the girl counselors to come swim with us on the weekend with us and of course we swam naked. By the end of the third camp, the girls finally gave in and swam naked with us. There were only one rule--no sexual touching in the pool. We obeyed and had a great time swimming naked together.
I worked four summers at the camp and there were 6 camps each summer so a lot of moms, sisters, cousins and dads and brothers saw us naked.
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Tigger
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Date Posted: 14:49:28 12/23/18 Sun

It was a totally different story for us at the Boys & Girls Club of America camp.
First of all it was 8 weeks long, we had hikes and cook out like other camps but the problem was with the councelors.
A lady with her 2 daughters and 2 of their friends ran the event. This was a mixed camp so both boys and girls were in attendance. Boys on one side of the camp and girls on the other.
The ladies husband was a wealthy business man and his wife was chosen to run the camp. One of her younger daughters was in attendance and was shown a lot of undue attention. A small group of the ladies friends ran the kitchen and their daughters also were there.
Due to so many female counselors there were plenty of swimming events that involved young male nudity. At 9 years old I was very embarrassed having girls in swim suits looking at me totally nude. The girls were of various ages from 7 or 8 up to 16 or 17 ( counselors). Some of the boys like the ones posting here were comfortable with letting the girls see them nude but I was not that relaxed. There were other boys who were troubled with the girls seeing us nude then we would be matched up with them when we were dressed for games or hiking later in the day.
I and others supported erections when we were swimming and the girls all loved seeing that! They would ask us why our wieners were so stiff or tell us our wieners were sticking straight up giggling the entire time!
Later when we took a nature hike the girls would bring up seeing our penises and/or erections. It got embarrassing as they teased us about knowing exactly what we looked like totally nude! The girls would suggest that we were embarrassed because our wieners were stiff and tell us how funny we looked with our penises pointing straight up like they did! Of course the girl counselors found it amusing and laughed it off!
Every Saturday we had a cook out with hotdogs and hamburgers at the lake. We were made to swim nude and participate in games like volleyball still without our clothes! Our penises flopped around as we participated, to the entertainment of the girls and counselors alike. Adding insult to injury the girls would put the hotdogs in front of their crotches making fun of the fact that we were that exposed for them to see. They would tilt the hotdog up mimicking our erections and humiliating us to no end.
I envy the guys who were not intimidated by their nudity and wish the situation with our girls would have been easier to accept. Unfortunatly, standing around with your erect penis sticking straight up and having girls laugh and make fun of you makes it difficult to relax while sans clothing!
The girls were allowed to look us over and were not chastised for doing so. It was embarrassing for one or more girls to stare at your erection from only inches away talking about your penis almost as if I was not there. Add to that there were so many boys for them to look at as we all were nude and exposed to them. The counselors saw nothing wrong with their interest in our private parts! My erection was so hard at times it hurt feeling as if it might burst from the constant attention I would get.
It sure was embarrassing for me and I guess it had a lot to do with age and all. I never liked having girls see my penis and always erected when made to undress in front of them or when I swam. In our situation the girls never had to or wanted to take off their suits with us. It was very one sided! I know I was shy and knowing that they could see mine but I couldn't see theirs probably had a lot to do with it.
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Don
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Date Posted: 18:20:51 12/23/18 Sun

We were made to swim naked at summer camp when I was between 10 and 12 years old. It was a church run camp and our councellors at that age were mostly teen HS age girls who volunteered to help at the camp.

The girls had a separate camp next to ours and some of them would often come to see us boys swim naked. Our councellors did not mind and let the girls look.
Although we were used to our girl councellors seeing us naked, as when we showered and undressing for bed, who were older girls anyway, it was embarrassing having the girls our age or younger seeing us naked and obviously enjoying it.
We didn't have the same opportunity to see the girls naked since they swam in swimsuits anyway. It was unfair but we accepted it as the norm in those days.
Admittedly some of the boys didn't mind and even showed off in front of the girls, but some of us were embarrassed and shamed being displayed naked in front of girls our age. But I guess the fun we had at the camp overruled this slight inconvenience.
Luckily this only went on till we were 12 because I was getting more sexually aware at that age and having frequent erections with all those girls looking at our penises and naked bodies.
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Edgar
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Date Posted: 05:03:44 12/24/18 Mon

I remember standing there with the biggest boner I ever had! The girls all watched as I grew and then just kept looking at it! I was so embarrassed!
I was so nervous with my dick all hard like that in front of them. It was 4th of July and probably 50 girls were there. I couldn't believe I was nude while they all had swimwear on. I remember one girl commenting on how stiff my wiener had become. It was like that bad dream where you are naked at school! I remember a few more girls walked up and looked me over. I really wasn't sure of what I was supposed to do. There were maybe 10 or 12 girls just looking at my penis, it was that obvious!
I was totally erect and they were giggling as I anguished about what was going on. These were girls my age staring at me nude and erect. It was like I couldn't catch up with what was happening. I remember looking at my boner wanting to know exactly what they could see! Almost in disbelief.
It felt like I was standing there for hours in front of them but in actuality it was probably only 10 or 15 minutes! Every time I looked at my boner the girls would all giggle. Finally something in my head told me to go into the water so I did. It all seemed to go in slow motion as I stood waist deep in the lake water after being exposed to their curious eyes! It was quite embarrassing and so very humiliating!
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Trooper45
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Date Posted: 14:29:15 12/24/18 Mon

Dude, that sounds harsh! I don't know how you guys did that! I would have total wood for days. How old were you when that happened? It is totally unimaginable in this day and age. Why did they allow the girls to scope out your dick? That would have blown me away totally! Like BONER CITY!
The only thing that happened to me like that was a naughty baby sitter who would pull down my pants if I got a boner and make me tell her why I was hard! I was 8 and she was 12. She would pull down my boner then let it swing back up telling me if I didn't tell her what caused it she would tell my mom.
She played with me a lot and I got totally embarrassed! She had me stand nude and inspected my penis while it was hard. I never told my mom because Liz had me believing I would get in trouble because I had a boner!
She sometimes would call over her friend Jandra who lived a few blocks away and I would get really embarrassed. It was really a bad seen for me, It really got to me when Jandra showed up and they both got to see it.
When I turned 10 I never had a babysitter again. I would occasionally see Liz and Jandra around the neighborhood and get a little embarrassed from the memories.
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Date Posted: 10:02:33 03/15/19 Fri

I had a sitter who loved to humiliated me nude in front of my sisters. I was 9 and embarrassed very easily. My sisters were younger than me and we're excited getting to see me nude. Melissa would have me remove my clothes in front of them once I did something wrong. The girls got to get very close and could see everything about my penis.
After a few minutes I would fully erect in front of them providing them with quite a show. Once erect Melissa would tease me about getting hard and bouncing all around. It was very humiliating sharing my body with the girls like that. Melissa would promise not to tell my parents if I stayed quiet about it as my dad was very strict and would spank me for misbehaving.
Melissa would show the girls how my foreskin could be pulled back exposing the tip which made them laugh. I would sometimes tear up as the shame sometimes got to me.it was embarrassing letting them look and see all I had, being that I was the oldest.
Once Meilssa's little "show" was over I would receive corner time. This allowed the girls some time to look AND touch which was very humiliating. Melissa would pretend to be upset with them touching but she would never make them stop! They would laugh as died of shame with the girls touching. I was very embarrassed by this teasing but it was better than getting swats from my dad!
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Date Posted: 13:55:02 12/27/18 Thu

My sitters name was Audrea and she was 13, I was 9! Andrea was a naughty girl who loved seeing me nude. My mom knew her mom so anything I would say was always net with "Audrea isn't that type of girl!" or "What ever she did to you, you probably deserved it!"
She knew she could get away with almost anything she might want to do! It was a pretty bad situation for me to be in. She would be alone with me and knew there was nothing I could do to defend myself.
Most of the time she would sit with me thru my bath and look at my penis. She waited for me to finish then would dry me as I got out! Obviously I was erect and she would give me a good rubbing until I was really worked up then she would slap it hard and tell me what a bad boy I was!
She would make me stay nude and tease me about how stiff I was flicking the tip of my penis every time she was near me. Other times she would tease my tip and bring me to jumping about as she kept hold of my erection. Occasionally she would hold my scrotum rolling my testies between her fingers!
I was like a toy to her and she really enjoyed the power she held over me. She saw me nude every time she sat with me and loved teasing me while I was nude. It was very embarrassing having her play with my penis and talk to me about it as she did it! I was constantly erect while she was there very embarrassed.
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Igor
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Date Posted: 15:34:27 12/27/18 Thu

Scott, didn't you like anything about what she was doing to you? Did she ever invite her friends to see you naked?
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Sam
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Date Posted: 21:31:55 03/08/19 Fri

I don't think it's a big deal for a 9 yo boy to be bathed by an older girl or woman.
I was bathed by my aunt till I was 11 and knew several other boys who were also bathed by babysitters, aunts or older sisters at age 11.
Unlike today's kids we were not bombarded with sex by the media and were still innocent of sex at that age.
I don't know about other kids but obviously some girls and women would take full advantage of this situation like you mention, although I was never abused that way. All I remember at that age is having my genitals washed but no fondling or teasing like you mention. Sometimes there were erections too at that age while she bathed me but it was never mentioned.
I did start to feel embarrassed at that age and asked her to let me bathe on my own, which she did a few weeks later when I was nearly 12.
But like I said, this was very common in those days and nobody saw anything wrong with it. Same as making boys swim nude as mentioned in other threads and posts.
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Date Posted: 17:30:45 03/10/19 Sun

My sitters name was Denni and she was only 2 years older than I was. She got to bathe me and often had friends there as I bathed! She would make me stand nude in front of her friend as she ran my bath talking about my penis with the girl and how it always grew. I hated getting a boner as the girls watched as touching was involved as I took my bath. There was usually a long period of time spent bathing my penis as I am uncircumcised and my foreskin was pulled back a number of times to "clean under it". I knew back then they did it to play with my penis and get to see it slide over the tip.
A few girls would hold it for a good long time rubbing it between their fingers or rubbing my balls the same way. They were very curious about its shape and how it bounced as I walked.
We usually played games that involved my penis and resulted in me being nude for prolonged periods of time. Some games were made up as we went along having the girlfriend hold my erection or me standing where she could look right at me as I grew or struggle with embarrassment.
My sitter would tell me I could get dressed once my "woody" got soft again, but every time I began to relax her or her friend would touch me and I would erect again.
The sitter always told me stories of how she played with other boys "woodies" and tease me about how it made mine get hard. I would totally embarrass as she made fun of my erection and how I could never make it go down!

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Date Posted: 18:32:57 03/14/19 Thu

"Summer camp run by church ladies? Kept the boys nude during swimming. And the women approved, of course. I bet they'd've had a fit if a single issue of Playboy was found in a boy's cabin."

I went to a church-run camp in the 60s up to age 13 and we boys were always made to swim naked under the watchful eyes of the female counsellors. The girls always wore swimsuits.
It was embarrassing and shameful being naked on display for the girls to look who sometimes teased us about our nudity, especialy if a boy got erect.
One may find it strange how those church women and organizers found nothing wrong with girls our age looking at and enjoying our naked bodies and shame, but it was custamary and normal for boys back then to swim naked, no matter who was looking.
The line was only drawn when boys started having noticeable pubic hair which was considered improper in front of girls and women, usually after age 14. But before that age nobody objected to girls seeing the boys nude.

And yes, if a boy was caught with a picture of a naked girl he was punished, usually by a spanking.

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Date Posted: 21:27:28 03/14/19 Thu

For many years while my son went to camp I was an adult counsellor. All the campers were between 12 and 15 and the teen counsellors were 16 to 18. All of the boys slept in a bunk house on the hill and the girls bunk house was about a 1/4 mile away on the other side of the hill. I often stayed in an old log cabin on the grounds near the girls bunk house, that had a shower facility attached. The showers had no curtains on them since no one had been using them but I preferred the privacy of those showers in the old cabin plus the pressure was so much better.

These young girls were always plotting ways to play tricks on the counsellors and this time was no different. It was late afternoon right before dinner time and I was taking a shower in the old cabin. I rarely had visitors in the cabin as all the campers knew I basically lived there during camp. I was washing my hair when I heard some giggling behind me and it sounded like young girls. I stood under the water to get the suds out of my eyes and when I opened them there were 13 young girls, all 12 to 15, standing not more than 3 feet away from me watching me in the shower. I was about 40 at the time, old enough to be their father, and I was just stunned to see all of them standing there.

I wasn't hard at the time since I wasn't expecting any company, but luckily I wasn't all shrivelled up either. I was hanging at about half staff, maybe 4 inches long when I turned around but it didn't take long for it to grow as I told them that this was not a funny stunt. They were saying they thought it was really funny and all 13 of them just kept staring at me while it grew hard. I remember them pointing and saying that it was getting so big. One yelled that it was much bigger than her brothers and a 12 year old said it looked just like her dads. I had to wonder just how she knew that. I could see they were in no hurry to leave and I was in no position to chase them so I just finished my shower and told them all that they can never tell anyone else about this or we would all be in big trouble.

I lathered up my body and took special attention to my penis which was as hard as it had ever been, and gave it a few pumps. One of the older girls, who obviously had some experience with guys, yelled for me to keep pumping it so they could see it squirt. I told her that I couldn't do that since many of the girls were way to young. I rinsed off and went to grab my towel and these young cock teasers had taken my towel and ran with it out into the woods behind the cabin. I ran out and chased them and caught the one with the towel about 100 yards from the cabin. Standing outside in the woods naked in front of 13 young girls was quite exhilarating. Luckily, they all kept their word and no one said anything about this to anyone. The girls have seen me since over the years and still make comments about that day and how much fun they had. That was about 25 years ago and they still remember it.

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Date Posted: 20:38:58 05/02/19 Thu

When I was 16 I was chosen to go to a scout leadership camp. There were around 30 of us ages 14, 15 and 16. It was an Indian theme and we spent a lot of time swimming and we spent a lot of time naked and got all over tans.
Saturday was family day and that was attended by some 100 or more, dads, moms, brothers and sisters. At one point the 8 of us who were 16 took part in a manhood ceremony. We took off our clothes and wrapped ourselves in large Indian blankets that covered us completely. Then all 8 of walked out and stood in front of the whole group. The camp leader announced that the blanket symbolized the comfort of youth that we had to leave behind so he told us to remove our blankets. I could see the shocked look on the girls faces and the smiles that followed. As we stood their naked in front of everyone he announced that just as we are born naked we enter manhood naked. The we had to face the crowd and raise our arms to welcome our entering manhood then turn and face the other direction and raise our arms symbolizing remain strong til death. We stood naked and the men walk by and patted us on the shoulder to recognize us as men, then the mothers walked by and patted our chest to recognize that mother's would always be in our hearts. Last of all the girls walked by to examine us and declare us men. It was quite exciting to be naked in front of everyone especially the girls. My girl friend's younger brother was at the camp so she saw me completely naked and so did her mother and older sister.
It was quite a ceremony and when we got home, my girlfriend, her sister and girls we know who had been there all told us how much they enjoyed the ceremony and that we most certainty were men.
The whole ceremony was both exciting and embarrassing knowing that family and friends had seen us naked.
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Ben
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Date Posted: 23:52:41 05/02/19 Thu

In some places boys are still made to swim naked in front of girls.

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John (Mad)
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Date Posted: 00:55:43 05/03/19 Fri

The part that is hard for me to understand is the attitude of the mothers. I assume the vast majority loved their sons as well as their daughters yet not only were they not moved when the saw the pain and humiliation in his eyes but they were the cause! Their sons would not be nude over their objections. What mother would do sonething like that to their own child?

Was it so her Daughters could be educated as to what boys looked like and so their daughters could have a great time? Really? That overrode the mental torture she caused in her own son?

Lastly, she had to know the depth of their embarrassment because no one could observe that and not imagine how they would feel in the same circumstance. Yet they were overtly cruel to their sons time and again. Don't understand it.
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John (Mad)
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Date Posted: 05:12:12 05/03/19 Fri

Think I figured it out the question how how Mother could be so cruel to her son(s). It was sexual desire - of the Mom! She got off watching naked boys. She likely further got off by having complete power over them and beating them while they were of course naked should the boy resist his public nakedness.

It makes sense. Helping the daughter Male anatomy education her was a side benefit and good public excuse. but didn't justify the enormous pain she inflicted on her son if we assume she loved him. Tradition (boys always swam/are spanked naked) s also a great cover excuse because it was mostly true. But again not strong enough for you to abandon protecting your child from harm. Just because different rules and customs exist in different eras, they do not override a mother's instinct to protect and certainly not be the cause of harm to her child.

But sex is different. Sex can be like a drug or gambling. You can throw anyone under the bus or risk jail to meet that need. That would cause her do this, especially since society was handing her this opportunity on a silver platter. Go ahead Mom - strip your son at home or in public, parade him around in public areas so everyone can see his humiliation, etc, AND no one will question you!

Mothers could get away it because Motherhood was seen close to sainthood and everyone knew that mothers had no sex urges (Ha!). Her life in the 50's and before was seen as taking care of the home and children. Because she was above suspicion, she was handed her son on a silver platter. Society in effect said "Do whatever you want to these boys - no one will question your motives. "

So really her only obsticals were her husband and the boy. If the husband gave her the green light, then she was home free. To counter her son's objections she would either make light of his concerns and tell him it was no big deal and he would get used to it. But if he kept on (because boys who didn't like it rarely got okay with it later), then her son would eventually break after more beatings (naked of course) which could be endless or threats to make him stay naked 24 hours a day. Once compliance was achieved, Nirvana! . She could enjoy her naked son and any other boys without anyone questioning her. Summer camps and swim meets must have been as exciting for her as it was for her daughters.

The only negative was she had to know she was hurting her son. But no one suspected her of doing anything wrong so I expect that she convinced herself that indeed it was no big deal and her son would survive.

Anyway, I think that was how a loving mother became a monster.
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John (Mad)
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Date Posted: 12:35:07 05/03/19 Fri

One other thing in regard to my contention that this forced boy nudity was done to satisfy his Mom sexual urges. There is a fetish called BDSM that correlates in many ways to the mental and physical tortures that these Moms I voluntarily inflicted on their sons.

I think that the embarrassment and humiliation of her son forced to be naked was not an unfortunate side affect. It was core to maximum enjoyment of this fetish for the Mom. It explains a lot, such her blind eye to its reality. No wonder Moms had no sympathy - it was what she wanted. To force a boy to strip naked is one thing. But to do it in front of family and friends and watch him tremble and involuntarily get erect is so much more rewarding if one is doing this for sexual purposes.

The naked spanking is probably the perfect example of this fetish played out. First, get the son to believe his actions led to this result so anything that happens he will believe is his fault. The reality is the Mom was just looking for an excuse. Gather however many females available and command him to strip in front of them. Make him stand naked with hands to the side or on top of his head while she lectures him and the females drink in his naked body. Turn him around l, bend over (giving occasional exposures to his anus) and start the whipping. The females notice with each strike how his buns quiver and start to change color. After the spanking, have him turn around stand naked with hands on his head for half hour while the women get more views and delight at his humiliation, especially if he gets an involuntary erection. Hell the Mom could even add punishment for that since he must have been think perverted thoughts to get an erection when in fact the only perverts are the Mom and female audience.

What a perfect BDSM set-up! And made more so because (i) the boy is made to believe that this punishment is his fault and that he deserved it, (ii) the humiliation is acknowledged as part of the punishment so any barriers that would lessen his humiliation to okay to eliminate, and (iii) everything about is open ended from weapons to be used on his body to his body's position to time span for his spanking and total nudity to who gets to enjoy the show. Since humiliation is stated as one of the punishment's goals, almost nothing is prohibited.

And that is just how this fetish for the Mom plays out in spanking. In swimming meets, summer camps, Mom or sister's helping bathe the boy, all are enhanced if the boy is embarrassed and humiliated. What evil monsters these Moms were, in my opinion.
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John (Mad)
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Date Posted: 14:01:52 05/04/19 Sat

One other thought. Say a mother had a son who was overweight with a large belly that overhung his genitals and had large man boobs. She may not have an sexual desire to see him naked but might be compelled to do so for other reasons.

First, being stripped naked just in front of his Mom much less in public would cause him greater embarrassment and humiliation than other boys due to his fat deposits in addition to his private parts, and this humiliation is a big turn on. But more importantly, her son is her ticket to seeing other boys naked. By signing him up for swimming lessons, the Boy Scouts and summer camp, she now has access to all these events. And there, she can see groups of naked boys that she finds attractive. Also for semi- private events such as home pool parties or spankings, she can invite mothers of boys she wants to see naked and if they see her boy naked, they are more likely to reciprocate by making their own boy naked and maybe invite her to see their attractive boy spanked.

Yes for a pedofile, whose only social and legal barrier to this practice is to pretend she derives no personal sexual thrill and substitute that this forced nudity is for the good of the boys (using excuses such as helping them with their own body acceptance and respect for authority), this is motivation enough for stripping even her unattractive boy.
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John (Mad)
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Date Posted: 16:49:14 05/04/19 Sat

I realize that I have been posting a lot recently and plan to take a break.

But received an email after my last post challenging my label of these abusive Moms as "Pedofiles". I responded that the definition of a Pedofile is someone who "derives sexual gratification from sexual fantasies or acts involving a child". If my contention is accurate that the motivations of the Moms was sexual gratification, then I stand behind my label.

While here, two other things- believing her own bullshit and the risk of escalation.

It is very likely that the mother's BS excuses for forcing her son to be naked would have been readily accepted by the law and her social circle. This could lead to the Mom's self-delusion and she may start believing her own BS reasons, since everyone else does. She may become to believe that this practice is really helping her son in the long run even though he can't see it now, due to his immaturity. Her sexual gratification is just a little side benefit and is in no way the reason she is doing this to her son. This can lead to escalation, under the theory that if a little (her view) humiliation is good for the boy, maybe more would be better?

The danger of escalation is further increased by the nature of repitition. After humiliating her son for a while doing the same things, the sexual gratification will likely diminish some. That is natural. It's the "been there, done that" thinking. Still enjoyable but not with the same intensity.

Given this, some Moms may be driven to increase their son's humiliation through increased frequency and severity, with maybe new scenarios introduced.

For example, wouldn't it be a valuable community service if she conducted an Enema seminar in her home for not only her daughters but daughters of both her friends and her daughter's friends? Heck, the Moms of these daughters should come too. After all, most of these girls would be mothers some day and should know how to give this important digestive cleansing service to their future children. Of course her son would be allowed (read required) to participate as the patient. Any objections by him would simply be selfish since he would have no valid reason. It has long been established that unlike girls, boys have no need for privacy. And should he continue to resist, well they both had been down that road before and she had no doubt that she would eventually be able to convince him.

Sorry if all I have said in the past few days have put a monkey wrench in the reader's enjoyment of these memories. But didn't know how else to present what I think is true. I think it is important to peel away the facade of BS reasons and justifications (it was just a different time...). Maybe these posts will stop abuse in the future.
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Date Posted: 02:12:36 05/05/19 Sun

I've been watching these threads for some time, and while some of this stuff seems unbelievable, I have no problem accepting it. I never experienced anything close to this, only nude swimming in high school; and had I, I probably would have grown up to be a serial killer. (I can already hear the Greek chorus of “it didn’t hurt me” warming up in the background.) I did, however, attend college with a woman who life guarded in YMCA full of nude male swimmers of all ages. It’s just a simple leap to nude swim meets.
If there’s one thing I learned growing up in the fifties through seventies, it’s that you always question the official explanation for anything. It exists to protect someone or something. The official explanation always harps back to the AHA recommendations from 1926, which recommended nude swimming for males only. Apparently, girls’ swimsuits (on average three times as large as boys’) were made of magical material that didn’t clog the filters. And reading the Summer Camps thread, one is prompted to wonder who changed the filters in those lakes. Those suckers must have been huge!
I can’t remember which of the Greek philosophers observed that no one knowingly does evil, some of us just don’t know what is right and wrong. I think you’re being naive to presume the mothers abused their sons, although that’s a lot more common than is recognized. One should not presume evil intent when simple incompetence or stupidity will suffice. Nor is it sufficient to invoke the zeitgeist of the time as justification—that slavery was once common doesn't make it any less heinous.
Justification, no; explanation, yes.
The nude swim meets, the nude summer camps comprised teaching modules that were intended to impart important lessons to both boys and girls.
The boys were nude:
1) To make them docile and compliant.
2) To reinforce their obedience to authority. (Most important, this.)
3) To begin inculcating within them an understanding bodies aren't theirs, but belong to the community, and later, by extension, to the state. (Also really important.)
4) To introduce them to their adult sex roles. As with most of nature, males must mount a display to attract females.
With reference to points 2 and 3, I refer you to the psychologists Zumbardo and Milgram, and their experiments with deference to authority. If that stuff doesn't curl your hair, it mus be made of metal!
The girls were observers:
1) To reinforce their superior role in the sexual dance. They get to choose.
2) To initiate the process by which they make those choices. Evaluating the boys for their desirability would hardly be sexual at that age, but they did gleefully rank their appeal. Note that the ones who took their humiliation with a good grace—not displaying any wimpy, “girly” shyness—were rated higher. This formed the foundation for the selection process that would begin when their sex drives kicked in a few years later.
It must be noted in passing, that there was also, in the background, a subsumed fear of homosexuality. We think little of it today, but it was once considered as linked to pedophilia, and the average family lived in fear that their apple cheeked young boy or halo ensconced young princess could grow up to be a fudge packer or twat licker. It was thought a learned response and the fear was mainly directed at boys, with girls presumed to be ultimately walking baby factories whose desire to reproduce would guarantee their heterosexuality. Boy nudity was linked to this fear, with two competing lines of thought—“manly” men would have no problem parading their junk in front of others, so nudity could identify the wimpy, gay ones; others thought that nudity would identify the gays as the ones who enjoyed it too much. Either view is manifest nonsense, but it was one held at the time and is worth mentioning.
I must clarify that I don't condemn all those women who have posted here of their youthful delight in observing nude boys; I would have done the same thing had I observed nude girls. But these were five, six , seven decades ago, and the innocent girls grew up, as we all did, to understand the concepts of morality, ethics, empathy, fundamental human rights that hold us together as humans in a civilized world. You might think that the passage of decades had imbued a recognition of the unfairness of it, and some small bit of guilt that they were the privileged ones.
Find me some postings that display that understanding!!
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Date Posted: 04:38:33 05/05/19 Sun

Damn, Odd Job, that was a great post! So much in it to discuss!

First, it is nice to have an alternate explanation of how this could have occurred, other that my conclusion of evil pedofile Moms. I am not convinced but I thought your macro-society molding points very interesting.

My problem with your theory is while the structures were in place (nude swimming meets, summer camps, etc), the parents still had to make the decision to attend them with their forced naked son. If he objected, they still had to overcome his resistance, which I understand usually occurred through beatings (or the more polite term spankings). I have a hard time giving the Moms (who I understand was the primary decision maker in regard to the conditions regarding raising the children) a pass by saying she simply didn't know right from wrong. Or explain the Mom's cruelty as simply due to the group of Moms who participated were somehow afflicated with mass stupidity or incompetence.

So while I would like to exonerate the Mom's behavior as being due to these factors or the result of the government' desire to make males into docile, order-obeying, machine-gun fodder for their various wars, I can't get there. The government might want this, but they have to overcome the Mothers' supposed normal instinct to protect her childen from pain and harm. Unless that supposed instinct is just a myth like motherhood being viewed as close to sainthood, and in reality females have no such instinct or greater empathy than men.

Your ending point about the lack of empathy or compassion of the women's postings on this site was also noticed by me and seems to support the empathy myth. There really is no empathy for the male victims in these postings but lots of joyful comments about the thrill of seeing the boy's humiliation! In these posts, the women posters say they delighted in the boys' embarrassment and humiliation so I believe that the Moms who caused it also delighted in this. Certainly no empathy either then or now exhibited by any of the females involved.

While it might have been the government's desire to mold boys into docile men, there is no mechanism to compell the Moms to be so cruel to their sons. And make no mistake, they were cruel!

The Moms could not comprehend their son's embarrassment and humiliation when it was obvious through the situation, his direct words to her and his body language, what their son's position was and reasons for it clear. Further, it is not believable that the Mom couldn't imagine if she was subjected to the same. To put it a new way, say she took her son to the dentist and the dentist started drilling without administering novocaine and the son screamed in pain, do you think the Mom realistically couldn't understand his pain because she was not personally experiencing it? It was too big of a leap to imagine how she would feel if she were in the dentist's chair instead of her son? I call BS on that defense.

The Mom happily denied all her son's arguments, beat him through naked spankings to overcome his objections, then gleefully attended his humiliating events with daughters and daughters' friends in tow. How, again, was she not evil? And why was she compelled to be evil, if there was no sexual satisfaction need being met? I still conclude she was an evil pedofile because that to me still best explains the Mom's behavior.

Your slave comment was an interesting analogy attempt. I agree that it was similar in that it is a part of our history and it was wrong. But a big difference was it was the law of the land at least in the south and everyone had to participate at some level, even if you were white and didn't own slaves. Not the same here - no one forced the Mom to force her son to be naked. That is all on her.

But while I highlighted our differences, I actually agreed with much of what you said and your tone. Really appreciate your knowledgeable perspective. I am going to have to look up those researchers you mentioned.
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Date Posted: 16:44:51 05/05/19 Sun

Something a little different. Here is a hypothetical conversation between a Mom of a forced naked son Jimmy (14) and her best friend Margaret.

"Margaret, I just don't know what I am going to do about Jimmy. You know Jimmy is kind of shy and I have been trying to break him out of his shell and be more comfortable with himself. Four years ago when he was taking swimming lessons at the Y, he was naked of course and was noticeably embarrassed when the family and one of his sister's friends attended his graduation swimming class. I decided then that I would help him get over his embarrassment by increasing the frequency of his public nudity.

But Margaret every time I tell him to strip or tell him an event is coming up where he will be nude, he argues with me. I am so tired of having to justify my decisions! So about a month ago, I laid down a new rule: in the future, when I tell him to strip, he must comply immediately regardless of location or who is around. Further, when I tell him of a future activity in which he will be required to be nude, no backtalk. The only acceptable response to either situation is to say "yes, Ma'am". The penalty for not following this rule is an immediate spanking that reaches level 3, the most severe. I added that because I really want him to learn this lesson and not be challenging my authority all the time over this issue.

The Mom had really got Margaret's attention now and she asked "so how has it gone?". Mom said "Well, for the most part, good. He forgot a couple of times early on and I really caused him pain with the immediate spanking. Plus I put him in the baby position on his back with his knees raised which exposed all of his parts to his sister and a couple of different friends who witnessed the punishment which was really humiliating for him. You know how important humiliation is in punishing boys; physical pain is not enough to teach the lesson for boys. But after those two times, he has been compliant - until last weekend.

You remember my college friend Jane? She used to live around here and has a daughter Rhonda who is a year younger than my Jimmy. Jimmy and a Rhonda played to get her a lot until they moved away when Jimmy was seven. Anyway they both came by and Rhonda has really blossomed! She is so pretty and told us she just was selected to join the Cheerleading squad this year. Jimmy was glad to see her and seemed a little smitten as I think back on it. Anyway, about a half hour into the visit, Jane remarked to Jimmy that she couldn't believe how much he has grown. I immediately blurted out "you don't know the half of It. Jimmy strip and let her see how much you've grown!"

Maybe that was a mistake of mine. But I couldn't take it back because then Jimmy may wonder if all my orders were a mistake.

Jimmy's face turned white and he immediately excused himself to go to the restroom. He was gone about 10 minutes and returned wearing a robe. He then opened the robe, and showed Jane and Rhonda the naked front of his Body.

I was seething by then. Maybe I was wrong to order it but I had and Jimmy clearly violated the new rule. I wasn't going to let him get away with it. So I announced that Jimmy had just earned himself a Spanking and I had him remove the robe, put his hands on his head and slowly rotate in front of our guests so the could get a good look. Then after explaining to him why he was being punished l. I had him assume the baby position while I whipped him with a belt.

Thereafter, I had him alternate with hands on head between standing and the baby position for next half hour. I told Jimmy this was still a visit and he was to participate in the conversation including answering any questions put to him. During this episode my friend Jane was taking it all in with a little smirk but Rhonda was totally wide-eyed. She pulled out her phone camera and took lots of pictures of her Mom and me but often Jimmy seemed to be in the background and the camera was not always perfectly aimed at us.

I should mention that during his spanking, , my daughter returned home with three of her girlscout friends. She is two years younger than Jimmy so really didn't know Shane or Rhonda. But I was so impressed with her - she and her friends decided to sit and visited with us for the next half hour instead of immediately going to their room. I thought that was so mature of her!

After Jimmy's punishment time was over, Jane and Rhonda left and the girls went up to the sister's bedroom. Jimmy said nothing, just got on his robe and left.

Margaret, since then Jimmy has barely said two words to me. When I announced upcoming events in which I expected him to be nude, he just mumbled "yes, Ma'am" but nothing more. In an effort to lighten the mood, yesterday at the breakfast table I jokingly called Jimmy my "cute little slave boy". Instead of laughing along with me, Jimmy didn't even crack a smile. I told him it was just a little joke. He didn't say anything but just glared at me!

Margaret, I do t know what his problem is. Maybe he has lost his sense of humor? Sure he was a little uncomfortable being naked in front of Jane, Rhonda and the girl scount friends of my daughter's. But he has been naked in public many times. He should be used to it by now!

The end.

Readers - sorry for the book-like length. Once rolling, it was hard to wrap up. Hope you enjoyed the misguided mindset of this mother and its devastating effect it had on her 'slave' son. That last bit reflects the reality. The son really was like a slave in Households that had the nude boy policy and enforced compliance with naked spankings.

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Date Posted: 12:43:20 05/03/19 Fri

The part that is hard for me to understand is the attitude of the mothers. I assume the vast majority loved their sons as well as their daughters yet not only were they not moved when the saw the pain and humiliation in his eyes but they were the cause! Their sons would not be nude over their objections. What mother would do sonething like that to their own child?

Was it so her Daughters could be educated as to what boys looked like and so their daughters could have a great time? Really? That overrode the mental torture she caused in her own son?

Lastly, she had to know the depth of their embarrassment because no one could observe that and not imagine how they would feel in the same circumstance. Yet they were overtly cruel to their sons time and again. Don't understand it.

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Date Posted: 21:33:46 04/30/20 Thu

It was usually in summer camps of former Soviet Union that older girls (in age 13-14) helped counselors ("vozhatim") to bath younger children during weekly shower, both boys and girls (although, boys and girls were bathed separately always) at least until their 10.
Sometimes, boys in groups were little older than 10 and they were embarrassed when little more older that they girls bathed their bottoms and "fronts", however, 2-3 slaps on wet bottom stopped resisting.
It considered normal and was normal then. All girls, who were invited, had younger siblings and had experience to care about them ( I myself have younger brothers twins and could bath children without problems). I can't recall that any from girls were embarrassed - for all it was usual "big sister duty". Perhaps, some of boys were embarrassed, when were bathed by little older girls but it wasn't big deal for us and counselor. Moreover, I sure when boys were bathed together they had much less embarrassment of their nudity if their would be bathed in privacy. Sometimes in boys group were little more older boys - together with 10-year-old could be kids in 12 - but they were bathed too, without difference. However, nobody from boys had signs of puberty, and for us they were little children only, despite of age gap 2-3 years only between us
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Date Posted: 09:54:48 05/01/20 Fri

Olga I can understand the counselor's logic of using you girls to help with the bathing of the younger kids when you have experience in doing so.Still you must of enjoyed bathing the boys specially the older ones.
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Date Posted: 06:56:52 05/02/20 Sat

All boys who were in "kids'" groups were kids for us. Nobody check is the boy little older than other boys in group. If even 12-years-old was in group 10-year-old boys, he was bathed the same as other. All girls, who were invited to help counselors had younger brothers (I myself have twin boys 4 years younger me) and had experience enough in care for younger boys.
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Date Posted: 03:52:17 05/03/20 Sun

I presume that the boys were never allowed to see the girls naked even though the girls could see all the boys naked and even bathe them up to 12 years old as you say.
Were there older boys at the camp and did you also see them naked?
Did the boys also swim naked at the camp?
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Date Posted: 06:46:28 05/03/20 Sun

Children in camp were till 15 (sometimes, 16) and boys older than 10 (in "kids' groups" boys at 11-12 were in little amount) bathe themselves independently, however, under counselors supervision. Girls, including me, never saw bathing boys from older groups.
Boys never swim naked despite of age. It wasn't in custom in our camps. Even younger, 7-8, were in swim trunks always.
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Date Posted: 18:52:03 05/05/20 Tue

So when you were thirteen you might wash a twelve year old boy? Were there boys among them who were taller than you or any other girls?
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Date Posted: 05:43:40 05/06/20 Wed

I was 14 the first times and, yes, I could. I don't sure about taller but boys the same height happened. However, for me they were kids only and I did my job.
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Date Posted: 08:24:18 05/06/20 Wed

What you said is interesting.
I never happened to be washed by girls (fortunately) but I spent afternoons playing naked at the beach until around 11-12 while girls same height as me were in swimsuit. Many times I was guessing they were certainly not older than me but I felt as if they acted or behaved almost like women.
You said that for you these boys were kids and you were in charge of them, but do you think that's also how girls our age perceived us boys who remained still naked to play?
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Date Posted: 20:51:15 05/08/20 Fri

Many boys are naked on beach, when girls the same age wear swimsuits already. It's parents decision
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Date Posted: 22:05:48 05/08/20 Fri

But was it right for them to act superior on us?
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Date Posted: 02:07:45 05/09/20 Sat

I think so - old wisdom - "mom knows better"
In summer camp boys were in swim trunks despite of age, however, on usual beaches I saw boys even almost teen, who were naked. Some parents consider boys before puberty don't need in trunks on beach
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Date Posted: 05:13:43 05/09/20 Sat

So were my parenrs. It was not always easy facing girls and trying to stay 'equal' to them.
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Date Posted: 02:24:10 05/09/20 Sat

Hi Alex being a while since we last chatted.I also find Olga's posts Interesting she is definitely very mature about washing nude boys even ones about her own age.I can't imagine a boy being that mature about washing nude girls.Olga do you think it is appropriate for girls to wear swimsuits at the beach while the boys are nude.are your brother's nude at the beach.Alex I don't know about girls acting superior I do know my sister's and girl cousins were quite mature about us boys swimming nude even though they enjoyed the situation.For a nude boy a girl in a swimsuit specially if she had a towel wrapped around her seemed very mature.Even my youngest girl cousin who was 3 years younger than me seemed a lot more mature than me.Her attitude was the same as the other girls that us boys being nude was normal and no big deal,but no way would any of the girls go nude.
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Date Posted: 04:36:55 05/09/20 Sat

Willy I don't how it was all organized at Olga's camps but I witnessed a brief training conducted by a camp medic at the beginning of the session a couple of times when I was in the first group of children to be washed. She took one boy already undressed and ready for taking a shower to the shower room and demonstrated how to properly wash a boy on him, while we the other boys continued to undress in the locker room. I remember we all stopped and huddled near the door to the shower room watching, at various stages of undressing, mostly in our underwear. But it lasted no more than a minute before she noticed it and yelled at us to stop starring, strip to the nude and get in a line in the locker room.
So the girls were properly trained but I can't imagine the reverse situation when someone is showing to teen boys how to properly wash a youngest girl using a stark naked girls as a guide.
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Date Posted: 05:01:17 05/09/20 Sat

Dim I agree with you I can't imagine boys be allowed to wash nude girls at all or for that matter being allowed to see girls nude.A girls privilege I guess.
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Date Posted: 20:59:59 05/10/20 Sun

And they had to be standing in the nude in front of you? Could you please describe how it is all was going on? Suppose I am the boy next to be washed... What would you say and what should I do?
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Date Posted: 10:54:03 05/03/20 Sun

I went to a summer camp for 4 or 5 summers and never saw either boys or girls without swimsuits. I do remember seeing bedwetters lined up outside of first aid area waiting to go in one at a time and have diapers put on.
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Date Posted: 16:48:44 05/03/20 Sun

"... and never saw either boys or girls without swimsuits...'-

- how they take shower? In swimsuits??
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Date Posted: 18:25:58 05/03/20 Sun

"... and never saw either boys or girls without swimsuits...'-

- how they take shower? In swimsuits??"

We always took off our swimsuits to take showers naked after swimming in the open shower room, under the supervision of the girl counselors till age 12.
The girls had a separate shower room.

Only the boys that misbehaved or played dangerously during swimming were made t take off their swimsuit and continue to swim naked as punishment to make them behave better.
The swimming was mixed.
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Date Posted: 18:53:34 05/03/20 Sun

I was at church camp and we swam nude with girls in suits! 1954, all the boys swam nude, it was the way it was. The girls loved it as some boys were show offs and other boys just were not ready for it.
You got to understand that you were totally nude in front of girls! Think about it! They got to see everything and for long periods of time. It wasn't like a flash
or something, the girls were right there beside you. I got a boner many times because of that. It did get embarrassing k owing they could see ours but we couldn't see theirs!
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Date Posted: 20:05:53 05/03/20 Sun

"I was at church camp and we swam nude with girls in suits! 1954, all the boys swam nude, it was the way it was. The girls loved it as some boys were show offs and other boys just were not ready for it."

I am sure that many boys enjoyed the thrill and excitement of swimming naked in front of girls.
I always wondered what it would have been like if I was in the same situation as a boy growing up.
Maybe we did do some dares in front of the girls while swimming, like depantsing each other for fun and similar stuff, but being a normal thing swimming naked together with girls in swimsuits as was the custom in those days in some places is hard for me to imagine at that age.
I don't know if I would have felt embarrassed and humiliated or simply enjoying it and finding it exciting.

The irony is that it would be considered as rude today if boys showed themselves naked in front of girls, even if they wanted to, while in the past it was the norm in many places and nobody objected.
Which is why I am always bringing the argument that one cannot judge the past by the present. Customs vary in different times and different places, and what seems normal to some may be objectionable to others with different customs.
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Date Posted: 17:56:46 05/04/20 Mon

No when it came to showers girls were allowed time in the showers and then boys were allowed time. All showers were naked. Camp rules that was how showers were done.
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Date Posted: 18:37:28 05/03/20 Sun

" I do remember seeing bedwetters lined up outside of first aid area waiting to go in one at a time and have diapers put on."

The bedwetters at our camp were never made to put on diapers for bed because it would have been shameful in front of the other boys who would tease them.
Instead the counsellors would wake up the bedwetters during the night and take them to the bathroom to make them pee so they don't wet the bed.

The counsellors also made sure that all the boys in the cabin, especially the bedwetters, peed before going to bed.
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I can relate an experience from the boys's side. Olga is right that it was a common practice in xUSSR - not every summer camp runned bathing days in this manner but many many did. And it was not very long ago (ie 60s or so) - in my case it happened in 1987-1990.
Each bathing day started with an announcement on the morning lineup that all groups have to take a shower according to their timelines aftet the breakfast and that the older groups are expected to help with the "little" ones. I quoted the word little ones because it meant ALL elementary school age groups that was called by the russian word "malyshi" which literally means the wide variety of children age from babies to pre school age. But in summer camp it meant elementary school age children. It was not clear from the announcement but only GIRLS are expected to help washing the "little" ones of both genders. It had traditionally been considered as girls' job.
The proccess of taking a shower itself was very simple. All younger groups were gathered together right alter the breakfest in front of the shower rooms building (of course separated by gender - girls near their door and we boys near ours. Then after some minutes 4 or 5 older girls came in, passed us by waiting in a line in front of the door and entered our door marked with "BOYS". Then after the some more minutes the first about 15 or 20 boys in a line were ordered to come inside (usually one group, sometimes little more). We had to undress naked in the locker room and stand in a line having nothing on except of the washcloth in a hand - usually in front of the shower room door, sometimes inside the shower room alongside the wall. Each girl operated one shower head and called us one by one. When it was your turn you had to come to the girl who called you, give her your washcloth and follow her orders. We were always washed by them completely including our private parts and we were not allowed to cover our parts when we were under the shower. Of course there were a lot of arguing about having to take off underpants in front of everyone on the first bathing day each summer but it was no use - we could enter she shower room only stark naked and there was no way to avoid the procedure.
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Date Posted: 10:41:00 05/05/20 Tue

Until which age were you bathed so and until which age were you bathed in home by mom or older sister?
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Date Posted: 13:14:10 05/05/20 Tue

I attended this type of taking a shower in summer camp every year from my 8 to 11 except of one summer when I was 10 and was assigned to the older age group for some reason. I don't know why. And why I was assigned to the younger group again on the next summer when I was already 11.
At home as I remember I recieved an all over wash until 7 or 8 and then until 11 my mom only washed my hair and back.
However at our summer camp there was no option of washing yourself if you was at one of the youngest group. We were all recieved an all over wash.
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Date Posted: 14:40:54 05/05/20 Tue

I was a Cub Scout for 2 years then we became Webelos which was the in between before becoming a full fledged Boy Scout.
I got to attend the Summer Jamboree that year and really felt all grown up.
Once there we got to our bunk houses which were away from the Boy Scout group. There were maybe 20 Webelos and about 100 Boy Scouts.
That first night we were walked over to tbe Girl Scout camp after dinner and sat down at their lodge. There were 12 tubs of water there and the Den Mother in charge with 24 Girl Scouts there. The Den Mither instructed us to undress and get ready for our bath!
I couldn't believe what was happening but the Scout Master told us we had to be bathed under supervision. We were told to strip down in front of the Girl Scouts and were bathed by 2 girls with the Den Mither there to watch.
We were totally humiliated having those girls get to see us and give us a bath. Many if not all of us were erect and very embarrassed by this group wash.
This went on for a full week with a different group of girls there each evening until we were told we could now shower with the Boy Scouts.
Turns out that was our hazing for beconing Boy Scouts! We were presented with a certificate of transition to the Boy Scouts of America! It was very humiliating as the girls got to see us nude and touch our private parts as they washed us. Come to find out it was a tradition all Scouts in our area went through for years.
At our 4th of July cook out and beach party all the boys swan nude in front of girls in swimsuits. It was customary for us to be exposed to the girls and many boys were embarrassed growing erect. This was supposed to make us rough and tumble forming men out of us. Mostly, all it did was humble us having our bodies totally exposed to them.
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Date Posted: 14:48:05 05/05/20 Tue

So sad to see evil rewarded.
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Date Posted: 15:31:30 05/05/20 Tue

To be clear, Hazing is bad. There are reasons why it is universally banned on college campuses across the nation. The reason for college campuses is Hazing is almost always associated with joining fraternities.

Bad as it was, hazing was also expected to occur in some form by the pledges to these fraternities. So the question each pledge had to ask themselves beforehand is how far am I willing to go to join this group? This meant there was a critical safety factor built in: the pledge could always refuse and walk away. The danger is the pledge going forward and the task being too dangerous physically that results in permanent harm or death of the pledge.

The point I am making is the pledge was not completely surprised and could walk away. In the case of these innocent transitioning Cub Scouts is they were unaware Hazing was in store for them and had no idea that they had the power to refuse and walk away.

Doing so would have been awkward at best since they were at camp and could not easily leave. If the boy adamantly refused and Mom/Dad had to come to camp to pick the boy up, the scoutmasters ugly little ritual would be revealed. If the parents did not know about the hazing, the incident could have blown up the Scouting in that region of the country.

But the boy was unlikely to refuse. Adults told him to strip, he was far away from home, and I am sure he felt he had no choice. So the adults were successful in their sexual assault of a minor, for which they should have been prosecuted and gone to prison. This consequence certainly would have been the case if men scout masters had surprised Girl Scouts and ordered them stripped and bathed by Boy Scouts.

Of course, I am not blind to the possibility that this scenario is just a fantasy and never occurred. I am addressing it seriously because abuses of boys were so routine that this doesn’t seem so far out of bounds, especially at these summer camps.
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Date Posted: 15:11:38 05/05/20 Tue

Sounds similar. But in USSR it was a standard procedure, not a challenge or a punishment. Futhermore we didn't have any tubs - our shower room was a rather spacious facility with some 10 shower heads alongside the wall without any stalls.
And I can relate your feelings of the initial undressing. I was used to this procedure and I knew what to expect, however every first bathing day in summer I undressed with some hesitation.
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Date Posted: 19:14:33 05/05/20 Tue

From 1951 to 1955 I attended a summer camp for boys located in north central Pennsylvania just a few miles from the NY border near Elmira. The camp was owned and operated by a couple who were teachers on Long Island , NY. Their name was Wallace. He was a Vocational Arts teacher and she was a school nurse. They had a daughter, RuthAnn, who was in the same age range as the campers.
I served as the camp bugler. I got the job through friends of my Mom who worked in a factory in Philadelphia. I "auditioned" on the upper train platform of 30th Street Station on Philadelphia, and was "hired" on the spot.
Camping was free, I got uniforms, meals and a camp punch out money card for shopping in the camp store. Thy also sent some cash home to my family. I don't know how much.
Each day, there were two swim periods. The morning swim was in the camp pool, and was focused on lessons, strokes and water safety. The afternoon session was at the "beach" of the large pond, they called the lake, and was just recreation, competitions and good fun.
For both swim sessions, all boys and the counselors swam naked. The director wore a swimsuit. At all swim sessions, the directors daughter participated, wearing a one piece swimsuit. All of the campers, who ranged from 9 to 15, and the staff, all high school and a couple of college age guys, swam naked. Mrs. Wallace, dressed in camp shorts and shirt often came to both the pool and waterfront.
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Date Posted: 21:07:34 05/05/20 Tue

Our church ran a Summer camp for boys from poor city areas. The volunteers were mostly us teens from the church group since parents either worked or took care of their homes and families.
Most of the volunteers were girls with a few of us boys.
Few boys wanted to spend their Summer taking care of kids, while the girls seemed more eager to do it.
Maybe the nudity had something to do with it since the boys always swam naked at camp, although I don't think this was their main reason for volunteering. The boys were between 9 and 13 and mostly black from poor areas, so there were a lot of black penises and butts for the girls to see, including frequent erections.
We, including the girls, also supervised their showers.
Discipline was kept by spankings when necessary, with a small paddle in the nude and all the boys parents accepted this form of discipline since it was common in most homes at the time.
But overall the boys enjoyed the camp activities away from their poor homes and neighborhood and it was a way of keeping them out of crime and other vices.
There were usually about 50 boys at the camp which was run by a married couple from the church who had two young daughters who frequently came to see the boys swimming naked and sometimes joining them by swimming in their swimsuits.
We teenage counselors swam in our swimsuits since there were usually girl counselors present, but we would not have minded to swim naked like the boys if there were no girls around,
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Date Posted: 20:54:21 05/05/20 Tue

Fred, I think it is good that the counselors swam naked too.
If more boys saw more men swimming naked, they might have gotten the message that nudity is a matter of pride rather than shame.
We hear complaints such as, “That was fine for them, they got to keep their clothes on!” (6to8 7-14 2019)

But I know there were a few exceptions.
There have been nude teaching assistants under a female supervisor (Sequel 1 7 2019),
nude instructors in closed swim class (Old Time Swimmer 2016; Richard 2017) and nude lifeguards in closed swim class (Old Time Swimmer 2016),
and adult males swimming nude in the presence of female lifeguards (Odd Job 2019, Curious 2019).

Best of all, there were a few swim instructors who appeared nude at swim meets (6to8 7-15 2019).

One retired swim coach (6to8 7-12 2019) “never felt any shame or embarrassment” for appearing nude at practices and meets because he was “‘dressed’ appropriately” for his job.

The gymnopedokolympic culture needed more coaches like him.

6to8 7-12. 2019. Cited by Editor_N. Found on the Web: Reports of forced nudity 6 to 8.
https://www.asstr.org/~puericil/2019/Reports_Forced_Nudity_06to08.html

6to8 7-14. 2019. Cited by Editor_N. Found on the Web: Reports of forced nudity 6 to 8.
https://www.asstr.org/~puericil/2019/Reports_Forced_Nudity_06to08.html

6to8 7-15. 2019. Cited by Editor_N. Found on the Web: Reports of forced nudity 6 to 8.
https://www.asstr.org/~puericil/2019/Reports_Forced_Nudity_06to08.html

Curious. 2019. [message in thread entitled “Boys nude in front of female teachers”]. (July 25). https://www.voy.com/223876/3405.html

Odd Job. 2019. [message in thread entitled “Boys nude in front of female teachers”]. (July 25). https://www.voy.com/223876/3403.html

Old Time Swimmer. 2016. [message compiled in Senn 2018a]. Frank Answers (December 1).
http://www.frank-answers.com/frank-answers-about-swimming-naked-commentary/

Richard. 2017. [message compiled in Senn 2018a]. Frank Answers (July 24).
http://www.frank-answers.com/frank-answers-about-swimming-naked-commentary/

Sequel 1 7. 2019. Cited by Harold, C. Found on the Web: Reports of forced nudity, The sequel 1. https://www.asstr.org/~puericil/2019/Reports_Forced_Nudity_Sequel_01.html
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Date Posted: 02:48:24 05/06/20 Wed

Worst. Source. Ever
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Date Posted: 06:24:29 05/06/20 Wed

Hi, Dimka (can I name you so?). We spoke earlier already on other site about our childhood. In our memories about Pioneer camps, we were with 2 sides, really?
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Date Posted: 07:41:19 05/06/20 Wed

Hi Olga! Of course you can - this is my name.
Yes, there was a long discussion a couple of years ago here or maybe on another voy.com site. Our memories is almost the same but different places and I think a little different time. And yes - I attended this event from the boys side.
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Date Posted: 17:42:32 05/06/20 Wed

It was part of life then. Almost all children had experience to be in pioneer camps and adults were sure that children will be clean and protected even if boys themselves didn't want it. For parents was naturally that they children will be bathed by older children in camp and boys modesty didn't consider important in such age. We, girls, helped to our "vozhatim" and I myself even didn't think that so little boys (although, among 10yo were even 12-years-old sometimes, indeed) have real embarrassment. They were "malishi" for us, really, although, age gap could be 2-3 years only. All girls, who were invited to bath younger children had own younger brothers and sisters and had enough home experience. I myself bathed my twin-brothers since my 10 (they were 6 then) and did it till their 12 (although, checked their cleanliness until at least 14). In camp I, the same as other girls did our duty and we were glad that we are good helpers for "vozhatih" and our "malishi" are clean enough.
Opinion the "second side" ("malishej) wasn't interesting for us then. Sorry, Dimka
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Date Posted: 19:25:46 05/06/20 Wed

Well the most embarrassing part was a first day stage of undressing, then it was not an issue at all to wait in a line along with the other boys when everyone is equally naked, then it was necessary again to make an effort and go to the girl who called you when it was your turn and stand under the shower in front of her with arms by sides, then it was all rather quickly.
The next time was almost not an issue.

Did you ever visit the same summer camp together with your brothers? Were they in one of those groups you washed in a shower?
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Date Posted: 19:50:49 05/06/20 Wed

And by the way it was more embarrassing when the teacher or the counselor was trying to calm us down and as they probably thought, reduce our embarrassment saying that the girls are big and we shouldn't getting shy on them and shouldn't try to hide our private parts (they were usually using the word "pis'ki" (peepees) from them. And these words many of those who were waiting in a line were involuntary starting to cover their parts by palms.)))
It was somehow more embarrassing then if they were just giving orders - "undress to the nude" , "take off your underpants" and so on. I don't know why.
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Date Posted: 00:00:50 05/07/20 Thu

Dim, Ill answer little later.
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Date Posted: 23:09:56 05/06/20 Wed

Olga, could you please define "malishi" and "malishej"?
I can't translate those words on the Google translator.
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Date Posted: 23:59:41 05/06/20 Wed

"Malishi" - means on Russian "little children". For really little it sounds gently and loving, but boys little older may considered that it's show their "childish" and lack of masculinity. Something so.
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Curious to Olga
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Date Posted: 04:14:05 05/07/20 Thu

Were there any boys even at 11 and 12 who had very long penises at their age?
Did you enjoy bathing them more or made fun of them?

I had some friends, a few, who had very long penises at that age and we made fun of them in the showers.
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Date Posted: 06:09:08 05/07/20 Thu

I recall they are different penises but nobody who was bathed had signs of puberty. All boys were bathed similarly and I did it the same as bathed my brothers
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Date Posted: 08:38:23 05/07/20 Thu

Spelvin, this is a russian word in two different cases ("malishej" is just a genitive case) that usually means the little children - from infants to preschool and lower school age. In my childhood in summer camp the lower school children groups were called "malishi". Their age usually varied from 7 to 10 year old but there might be few exceptions in every group (a year older or a year younger than the common age of the group).
The most close English meaning in this case I think is "youngest children".
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Date Posted: 03:45:43 05/08/20 Fri

Dim, it was so that I never was together with brothers in one camp. I was in camp from dad's work, brothers - from mom's work. However, I know, brothers had the same rules, which, perhaps, were in all camps then and were bathed by older girls until their 11. They told me, when I bathed them in home (I did it till their 12) that I did it much more gently than girls in camp.
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Date Posted: 04:28:15 05/08/20 Fri

Olga did you girls talk about bathing the boys.It must of being fun for you specially the older boys.
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Date Posted: 06:20:52 05/08/20 Fri

Willy, all girls (including me), who were invited to help counselors with boys' bathing, had own younger brothers and had such experience. At least, for me (and I can tell for many other girls) it was usual "older sister role" and boys were little children for us only. It wasn't fun, it wasn't big problem, it was usual thing then
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Date Posted: 09:50:24 05/08/20 Fri

Olga do you think older boys should of being allowed to bath younger girls.
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Date Posted: 18:26:53 05/08/20 Fri

Traditionally cafe for children is "mother's duty" and in many families older daughters are mother's helper and it's acceptable. In our camp we had "older sister role" and it was acceptable for (I sure) all parents of younger children.
Older boys can help in family with younger brothers and sisters, but in camp it was traditionally girls' work
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Date Posted: 23:58:55 05/08/20 Fri

Olga - Did the girl campers receive help with bathing by older children (probably only girls)? If so, to what age and was it to the same age as boys? If not, why not, do you think?
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Date Posted: 00:56:49 05/09/20 Sat

Yes, girls were bathed the same as boys with help of older girls until their 9-10.
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Date Posted: 08:13:45 05/08/20 Fri

Olga did you also bath your brothers more gentle than the other boys in summer camp? What about other girls who did the work with you?
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Date Posted: 18:19:57 05/08/20 Fri

Naturally, when at home I bathed twins I had much more time for each different from boys in camp. Twins were (each) bathed by me twice always - soapy sponge and then soapy hand. Moreover, time for bathing was time for talking and we all three had nice time.
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Date Posted: 07:41:54 05/09/20 Sat

Olga, does you continue this practice with your children, newpews or nieces? Does they help to bath their siblings or cousins? Only girls help or boys too?
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Date Posted: 04:41:51 05/08/20 Fri

Dim may I ask do you think your bathing at summer camp was fair.I know you and Olga say it was seen as girls work and girls bathing boys was normal in Russia but did you think it was normal and fair at the time.
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Date Posted: 08:03:39 05/08/20 Fri

Willy I just took it as inevitable. Probably the only year when I really feel it unfair was when I was 11. The year before, when I was 10, I was assigned to the older group and avoided this procedure. So I didn't expect to find myself in a younger group again while the most of my classmates were in another (a year older) group, and go through the process with the all other boys. I remember I tried to ask our counselor if I can take a shower with my classmates in another group but of course it was no use - I was just told to undress and take a place in a line along with all others.
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Date Posted: 09:55:27 05/08/20 Fri

Dim do you think older boys should of being allowed to bath younger boys and girls,or do you think it was a girls only job.
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Date Posted: 10:45:07 05/08/20 Fri

I think no problem for little kids (not older than 6 or 7)
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Date Posted: 01:27:50 08/21/20 Fri

I was in Summer camp in Soviet Union in 1976-1978. There were the same rules and older girls helped to "malisham" age since 7 till 10.
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Date Posted: 20:49:15 08/22/20 Sat

Igor, very interesting. Tell please how it was happening? Were you naked and did the girls wash your private parts?
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Date Posted: 22:16:09 08/22/20 Sat

You said that you washed the camp boys private parts with your fingers. Did they get hard when you were doing so?
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Date Posted: 04:20:48 08/23/20 Sun

"Shower day" was Saturday. We took it each group separately - in or was 20-25 boys. Our "vozhatie" - 2 girls about age 20 -now I understand they were pedagogical students - were with us in pre-shower room and providing our baring. In shower room were girls from older group (5-6) who had to bath us.
We went into shower room naked absolutely with sponge in hand only. Each girl bathed one boy and then new group from 5-6 boys went into room. we went out in preshower room, and vozhatie gave us clean trunks and T-shirt.
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Date Posted: 10:39:38 08/23/20 Sun

How old were the girls that bathed the boys?

You said that the boys were from age 7 till 10 so it was not much of a big deal except maybe at the last age of 10.
Did any of the boys show any signs of embarrassment being bathed by the girls?

Olga said that sometimes the boys were as old as 12 which would have been very different than boys under 10.
Maybe there were some differences between camps.
Was there also nude swimming at your camp or other camps?
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Date Posted: 16:42:39 08/23/20 Sun

How old were the girls that bathed the boys? - I can suppose they were in age 14-15

You said that the boys were from age 7 till 10 so it was not much of a big deal except maybe at the last age of 10.
Did any of the boys show any signs of embarrassment being bathed by the girls? - I felt embarrassment since at least 9. I recall many boys, including me, tries cover "fronts" by hands. It was permitted when we were waiting our turn, but forbidden during bathing itself. There we had to keep hands on the sides or over head when our "down" was washed.

Olga said that sometimes the boys were as old as 12 which would have been very different than boys under 10. - It happened. I recall, when I was 10, in our group were a few boys more older (perhaps they were 11-12) but he had no any privilege in "shower protocol". If you are in younger group,
you are "malish" and 12-year-old was bathed completely by older girl (age gap 2-3 years, ha!) the same as other boys in group despite of any embarrassment.

Maybe there were some differences between camps. - I don't know , I always was in the same Summer camp (from mom's work)

Was there also nude swimming at your camp or other camps? -
- No, never. Even the youngest, 7-year-old, swam in swim trunks only.
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Date Posted: 13:31:36 08/23/20 Sun

Was it embarrassing for you? Did you try to avoid it? Who was telling you to get naked and what was you told?
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Date Posted: 16:54:07 08/23/20 Sun

Was it embarrassing for you? - Yes, it was embarrassing for me, especially in my 9-10. Even mom didn't washed me completely after my 9 - except a few times when I was very dirty - but here girl, who was little older me only (and I was big tall boy for my age) could wash me everywhere but it considered normally absolutely then. For me the most embarrassing part of bathing was when I had to bent and spread buttocks and girl washed my butt crack in front all who were in shower room! I can suppose what felt 12-year-old boys in this moment.

Did you try to avoid it? - it was impossible, in camp was discipline and bathing was mandatory.

Who was telling you to get naked and what was you told? -
- Vozhatie in preshower room provided our preparation for bathing.
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Curious to Igor
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Date Posted: 22:58:06 08/23/20 Sun

Did the girls enjoy washing the boys, especially their genitals?

Did they wash your genitals and butt cracks with a wash cloth or with their bare hands and fingers?
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Date Posted: 23:51:06 08/23/20 Sun

Did the girls enjoy washing the boys, especially their genitals? - I don't think so. For them it was work where they helped to adult. We were for them little children only and I think their attitude was as bathing own younger siblings.

Did they wash your genitals and butt cracks with a wash cloth or with their bare hands and fingers? - genitals were washed by soap hand only. Crack was washed twice usually - first times thoroughly by soap sponge, the second times some girls used sponge again, but some used soap hand.
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Date Posted: 15:56:03 08/29/20 Sat

From 1953 to 1957 i went to an all boys camp in the Pocono Mts of Pennsylvania, There were about 50 to 60 boys ages 9 to 15 there as campers. There were two swim sessions each day. The morning session was in the pool, and centered on water safety and swimming strokes. The afternoon session was in the pond we called a lake, and was just fun a games.
Both sessions all boys swam naked.
The camp director and his staff wore swimsuits. The director's wife, a school nurse, would come down to the lake and help officiate all the competitions we would be having.
She wore a swimsuit. If a boy felt a boner coming on he would simply go out into the lake where the water was freezing cold a foot or two down. It would quickly go away.
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Date Posted: 14:19:51 09/01/20 Tue

There was a girl who was a Councilor at a summer Camp I attended named Missy Borque. She was in charge of our "Battalion" of boys from 10 to 13 years old. This was in the early 60's and things were much different back then!
Each year Missy would welcome us to the camp and lay down the rules. We were expected to do as we were instructed for both order within the battalion and our iwn safety. Missy explained how she was in charge and would be allowed to be anywhere we went!
This included in the showers where she sat in a folding lawn chair and watched "to be sure EVERYTHING" was getting washed. Missy would pull out 5 boys and "inspect them" totally nude to be sure we were showering properly.
One of the things she did was to inspect your foreskin, if you had one, to be sure it was clean. This was usually done in front of the other 4 boys and was rather humiliating.
Missy would playfully inspect your penis until erect then pull back your foreskin to see if it was clean under it. If it wasn't she would slap your erection and send you back into the shower to wash up again, then move on to the next boy. Usually by the time she got to the 3rd boy we all were fully erect!
There was no supervision of what she was doing and we all fell for her hygiene routine of taking 5 boys aside for the inspection. She handled our penises bare handed and inspected both our penis and testicles. She was obviously playing with our penises and enjoying herself at our expense.
There were 4 cabins in our Battalion consisting of 24 boys. She saw each of us up close and personal at least a dozen times or more for our hygiene productsinspections. This consisted of pulling back the foreskin and making sure there was no smegma, cupping the testicles snd rolling each one to see if it hurt, inspecting the shaft to see if there were any bumps or rashes and finally pinching the tip and seeing if there was any "goo" (pre-cum).
Mind you Missy was only 4 years older than I was and she was openly handling my penis! At the end of her inspection she would flick the tip of your penis and tell you that had better go down soon, all the while moving on to the next boy.
It was my experience that you didn't want to be the last boy inspected as Missy took a little bit longer AND you were alone with her as she fooled around with your penis. I heard boys say that they shot off in front of her as she played with their erections.
The few times I was last with Missy she took her sweet time looking me over. She either stroked my penis a lot and took a longer time rolling my testicles between her fingers. A few times after squeezing my tip she pulled my erect penis down then let it spring back up slapping my stomach. She would laugh out loud as I cringed from the shame.
The next year Missy was gone. I figured enough boys complained about what she did and they let her go. I never was inspected like that ever again and they started to use teen aged boys as councilors after that!
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Yoana
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Date Posted: 13:55:12 10/23/20 Fri

Same here in Bulgaria, I used to help washing the 7-8 year old children girls and boys in a shower when I was 11, it was in a communism era.
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Curious to Yoana
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Date Posted: 16:52:02 10/23/20 Fri

Up to what age were boys washed by girls at the camp, besides your experience at age 11?

Were the older boys also supervised during showers by girl or women counsellors?
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Yoana
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Date Posted: 18:47:28 10/23/20 Fri

Dunno know, I attended a summer camp when I was 7, 11 and 12. I've heard from some of the girls that they used to give a shower to even some older boys but didn't see that. I'd like to try this at the time.
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Curious to Yoana
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Date Posted: 04:29:20 10/24/20 Sat

Did the older boys have female counsellors at the camp?
If they did then the girl counsellors must have also seen them in the showers every day since they were in charge of them.
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Date Posted: 11:26:31 10/25/20 Sun

The older boys mostly had a male counsellor but as far as I know it could be otherwise so I guess it could be so.
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Dim to Yoanna
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Date Posted: 17:38:42 10/26/20 Mon

Yoanna, I heard from several people that they experienced something like this but you are the first person outside exUSSR. I suppose that some communist countries had similar education programs such as pioneer (summer) camps and childcare policies. In my summer camp all elementary school children (finished 1-3 grade of school) were washed by older girls in bathing days which means from 7 to 10 year old but in fact nobody cared what grade are you finished and how old are you, if you was in one of the younger groups you had to undress naked and get bathed by the older girls and in fact the last time I had to go through this procedure I finished the 4th grade and I was 11 and there were at least one or two more boys my age although the most of the boys were the 10 year old 3d-graders.
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Date Posted: 11:34:49 05/06/20 Wed

BS Smeller - you need to go back to having sex with your cat! I'm sure she appreciates your humor more than we do! Meow!
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Date Posted: 15:18:27 05/06/20 Wed

BS smeller, you are such a waste of space. Who are you to jugde about something that happened well below you started having having smelly poo yourself?

Get lost idiot!
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 21:59:34 10/23/20 Fri

" Boyd" your relation is rather funny but also erotic, very different of the relations of "Igor or Dim or Olga" which were only factual.

But you said that boys were aged from 10 to 13 when the girl was in charge of them and supervised their showers with a thorough inspection at the end for a group of five boys each time .
Ok but you said that she was only 4 years older, so when was she in charge of you at 10 ? or at 13?
She was 14 age or 17 age?

If it was at 13 age were you supervised by an other girl the previous years who did not look at you during shower inspect you or was it almost the same without inspection?
or did you have her during three years of summer camp ?

If you were 24 boysall together in the locking room, did she saw each of the 24 boys in the nude all together being instructed to strip completely as soon as they entered in the room before entering in the cabins and did she inspected each of them several times during the stay ?

You said that she supervised you to be sure that you washed properly under showers but could she see you after you entered in the cabin ?

Did you swim also like a lot of others boys inn summer camps in the nude with her to supervise you ?
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Fred
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Date Posted: 22:09:24 10/23/20 Fri

From age 11 to 14 I attended a boys summer camp in north central Pennsylvania, not far from Wellsboro, PA.
Campers were from 9 to 15.
We had two swim periods. The morning was in the pool and focused on swimming strokes and water safety. The afternoon session was in the lake, and was all fun and games.
For both sessions, all boys were naked. The only people in swimsuits were the older lifeguards, probably college age guys, and the director, who was not always there.
They were the only time we were naked, except for morning showers and such. Years were 1952 to 1955.
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Date Posted: 04:08:32 10/25/20 Sun


Have you ever been naked in the presence of a girl, at the pool or at the lake, where it was always only between boys?
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Date Posted: 19:37:28 10/25/20 Sun

Yes, but not at camp.
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Date Posted: 22:39:47 10/23/20 Fri

"Igor"

Thanks for your interesting relation of the procedure in a summer camp in Russia or similar eastern countries.

I notice that you were washed by your mother at home till about 9 age ( almost the same at my time in France and even may be two years more until 11 age, it was normal for a boy!), so even if you were no longer washed by her after 9 age, it was not so much different in the summer camp since you were only a little older, not so much! I would have more understood if yoy had been 11 or 12 age like it seems that some boys could be.

May be the great difference was that it was a girl who was only a few years older( 14-15 age) who was in charge of washing you.

It was of course more embarrassing but as you said it was a usual practice at summer camps in Russia and more generally in family, so you were normally expected to that situation when you came to the camp. It was not a great surprise.

And I understand your comment about the most embarrassing time during shower, I share your feeling that it was when you had to bend over and spread your buttocks with your asshole exposed in front of the girl but also in front of the other boys of the group ( 4-5 boys) and the other 4-5 older girls who were in charge of washing your group.as regards the boys, it was not different for them and you were equally naked and equally washed, so it was not so embarrassing !
But if I had well understood, you were all a group of 25 boys naked waiting your turn to enter by group of five, in the room where you were prepared. So if you were one of the last boys you stayed a more long time naked. But fralky at 9 age, it was not so embarrassing than if you were older.

I presume that it was the last year that you went to a summer camp in Russia?

You said that it was difficult to show some reluctance to undress or even to refuse, but what do you mean when you said that you might obey to instructions if did not want to be punished or disciplined ? what could be the punishments?

It is interesting to notice that you did not swim in the nude on the reverse of a lot of relations about swimming for american boys in summer camps. You swam wearing a swim suit like girls ( so your modesty was well protected!) but at the same time you were not consided as enough mature and old to wash by yourself and it was girls just a few years older who were in charge without any concern for your embarrassment because it was usual and considered as normal. It is funny how things could be felt differently from a country to an other.

What surprises me most is that none of you "Olga, Dim or you" are talking of how older boys were supervised or taken in charge during their showers. I presume that there was also summer camps for boys aged between 12 and 16, I doubt that their showers were totally free of any check or supervision, who was in charge and how were they performed?

In France boys until 14 age would have been supervised during showers by a monitor ( generally a male graduated student over 18 age or more for pre-teens boys ) both to be sure that they washed properly and that they did not fight in the shower area if it was a line of shower heads.
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Date Posted: 10:10:18 10/24/20 Sat

"Yoanna "and others

I find interesting and a bit surprising that the rules or regular customs were the same in Bulgaria and Russia for the washing of small boys in summer camp.

It can mean that there was official instructions or papers menntioning it as a good practice in summer camps valuable for all or at least several eastern europe countries, the same rules were applied with small boys washed by girls just a little older than them. These official instructions might have been edited by gouvernment of Russia or by the communist party.
Surprising that they gave so much attention to such a "minor" fact or situation, normally not very important except in private life.

I guess that it was the same for school physical examinations and more over draft physical examinations. There might be also official instructions on how to proceed, with what set up and so on ..
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Date Posted: 12:59:12 10/25/20 Sun

I didn't know it, didn't see any papers.
It was only three times when I was engaged in the process. The first day a couple of the older girls were going to wash the younger children and asked my friends and me if we want to help. The next two times we volunteered.
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Date Posted: 20:07:33 10/25/20 Sun

We had female counsellors about HS or college age at camp till about age 11 or 12. They didn't wash us but supervised us during showers.
It wasn't a big deal for us since we were used to it and there was only one or two girl counsellors looking which we considered as big sisters and carers.
We boys actually teased each other about the girl counsellors seeing us naked and enjoyed frolicking naked in front of them. Sometimes they would swat a boy's bare butt with their hand if he was misbehaving, which was more playful than serious and would make everyone laugh.
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Date Posted: 21:49:57 10/25/20 Sun

"Perry"

I understand perfectly that it was not a bidg deal for boys until 12 age to be supervised during showers by female counsellors who were HS or college girls.

But It was not the same to be washed by a girl at 12 age and to be supervised during showers even if in two cases you were exposed to her view stark naked.

I presume that to be supervised by girls counsellors could happen also in France for boys under 12 age at summer camps like you said, it was like older sisters..

And as you said normally when a girl swatted a boy's bare butt with her hand because he was behaving or making troubles, it was more playful than serious and you laughed about it.

A funny situation for small kids, still innocent, nothing bad and awkward or humiliating.
And I presume that it was like you said more playful to be slapped on the butt by an older girl than by a strict male Pe teacher like it could hapen at school.
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Date Posted: 10:56:45 10/26/20 Mon

"Joanna"
did it happen sometimes that you slapped the boyish buttocks of a boy who was too reluctant to obey or making troubles while you washed him ?

if you did it three years, at what age for you did begin and did you stop ?
and how aged were the older boys?

When they were judged enough oldr to wash themselves, did you know if somebody was in charge to check that they had properly washed ?

Same question for the other women who were in summer camps in Russia and Igor also ?
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Yoana to Jean
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Date Posted: 13:28:00 10/26/20 Mon

Yup and it was funny. In fact the older girls who invited us to help did it all the time. My task was usually to dry the children they wash. Once I was told to get the boys undressed when there was no there counsellor around but I failed, they didn't listen to me. I was saying absolutely the same as their counsellor said but it was no use they refused to follow my orders though when their counsellor came back and told them absolutely what I told, to get naked, they did it with me around although some reluctantly.
And it was only three times in one summer when I was 11, not three years, the boys were 7-8 years old, maybe 9 but no older.
I believe the older boys were supervised when they took a shower. We girls were, there was always a counsellor in a shower room.
I fact the oldest girls (14-15 years old) had to wash the youngest children. I didn't know why they invited us to help that year. On the next year when I was 12 we were not invited anymore. Someone've asked but they told something like don't worry no needed.
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Dim to Yoanna
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Date Posted: 17:57:46 10/26/20 Mon

Wow you did it at 11?!
At my summer camp the girls who were assigned to wash us in the shower were 13-14 year old. I suspected there could be even a bit younger girls although we were told that they were all "the big ones". At least some girls looked almost as adults and some had a girlish face.
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Date Posted: 15:11:15 10/26/20 Mon

jean the frenchie, I had this experience in my childhood. It was our camp's rule that younger groups of children had to be washed in showers by older girls. I think that it was considered as girls' job as a part of childcare. It was called "bathing day" and the bulding where the shower rooms were located called "bath house" whereas there was no any bath tub or saunas there, just two sections, one for boys and one for girls with a locker room and a shower room in each.
We had to undress completely in a locker room and stand in a line - usually in front of the door to the shower room, sometimes along the wall inside shower room. Sometimes it was only my group, sometimes they combined two groups, so there could be up to 40 boys in a line.
Then we shold enter the shower room one by one as the girls finished washing the previous boy and called the next. I remember as a one of embarrasing moments when I it was my turn and I had to go to the girl and stand under the shower facing to her with arms by sides, and another - when she touched my grabbed my private parts with her palm to wash it, it was very tickling in addition to that it was embarrassing. But I don't remember as a some of extra embarrassing when she scrubbed my bottom. But we didn't have to spread our buttocks or something, they just told us to bend a little and it was very quickly.
I don't remember any special punishment for refusing to undress, our counsellor just yelled at us something like "Everyone - undress to the NUDE, NOW!!! Stand in line without underpants!" and we just followed her orders. It was the time when you did what you were told to. So we hesitated waiting someone else to get naked first but didn't protest much. Our counsellors had only one answer to any kind of protests - something like "The girls are big and they seen and washed lots of naked boys before your group, you don't have anything they haven't seenmany times before so stop bickering and undress!"
The one kind of punishment was to make us to line up not in the locker room but in the shower room along the wall ordering us to stand in attention with our arms by sides like if it was a PE lesson but it was very rare and used when we were making too much noise. And another punishment was to skip the swimming time in a pool. That was enough to discourage any protests.
It the same procedure every summer since I was 7 except one summer when I was 10 and for some reason was assigned to the older group but again the next summer when I was 11 and it was the last time. Then finally we were trusted wash ourselves. Of course there was a counsellor's supervision but it was not a big problem for me even when our counsellor was female because whe didn't check much for cleanless of something like that, she just watched an order and in the oldest groups when I was 14 we had a male counsellor.
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Date Posted: 11:30:57 10/28/20 Wed

"Dim"

you have sent recently a message on the discussion which hs been put like an older one, so I put it now.

" Yoanna, I heard from several people that they experienced something like this but you are the first person outside exUSSR. I suppose that some communist countries had similar education programs such as pioneer (summer) camps and childcare policies. In my summer camp all elementary school children (finished 1-3 grade of school) were washed by older girls in bathing days which means from 7 to 10 year old but in fact nobody cared what grade are you finished and how old are you, if you was in one of the younger groups you had to undress naked and get bathed by the older girls and in fact the last time I had to go through this procedure I finished the 4th grade and I was 11 and there were at least one or two more boys my age although the most of the boys were the 10 year old 3d-graders."

I presume that when a few boys aged of 11 like you the last year were bathing by just little older girls and mixed with younger boys still aged from 7 to 10, being still students at elementary schools like it was the rule, it was because they seemed younger than their age.
It might be easy to believe that a boy of 11 was in fact aged of 10.
And if the counsellor did not listen to you or of you did not dare to tell her that there was a mistake on your real age, it could happen!
you said that nobody cared what age you had and what grade you were if you were in one of the younger group. Ok but why were you in such a group and not in a group of oldr boys ?. Once you were mixed with younger boys, you could not stop the set up planned for the younger group, you might strip completely and you were bathed as usual by older girls...

It was not really a big deal since you were still young at 11 age but it might be perhaps a little more embarrassing because there was not a great difference of age between you and the girl who was in charge of your bathing?

Fortunately for you it was the last year !

I must recognize that I found a little strange that idea that a girl just a little older could wash a boy just a little younger. I don't deny the necessity of bathing properly a young boy nor the more maturity of girls and the fact that they often helped their mothers in that task at home or would do soon and it was educational for them to prepare them to their future status of mother, but in my opinion, they were still a little too young.

And it was worse with "Joanna" ,even if she was present during the baths of the young boys more for helping for instance to dry them and check all the preparation if I had well understood than for washing them really because she was too young for that?
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Dim to Jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 14:04:56 10/28/20 Wed

jean the frenchie, the groups were formed even before the shift has started and we children came to the camp. As far as I know they just took the list of the pupils and divided it into more of less equal groups by age. And of course they knew our real age perfectly well. I doubt however that the person who was making the lists of the groups even thought about such a minor thing as a procedure of taking a group shower.
I don't know why I was in a younger group that summer as well as I don't know why I was assigned to the next age group on the previous summer when I was 10. Maybe the groups of my age was overcrowded but I know that on the same time when I was in an elementary school group, at least one of classmates who was almost a year younger (he started school at 6 while I started at 7), was assigned to the older group.
We did't know the real age of the girls who washed us, we were just told that they all are the "big girls" for us, while the girls of course knew our age, I even remember that some of them asked me what grade I finished and how old am I.
And of course there was not a single chance to skip the set up planned for our group. It was much like an assembly line going - unless you was in a first group to be washed (the most times in was the youngest group) you would find yourself in an atmosphere of rush and be hurried up to get undressed and take your place in a line ready for the shower (stark naked having only a washcloth in your hand). Any kind of arguing or protests were not allowed.
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Curious to Dim
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Date Posted: 15:14:42 10/28/20 Wed

Up to what age were you and the other boys washed by the girls?

From what you say it seems that the girl counsellors were still supervising you in the showers while you were all naked till age 14. Were the boys not embarrassed about this?
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Dim to Curious
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Date Posted: 19:37:13 10/28/20 Wed

Curious, I doubt that someone older than 11 was washed by the girls, at least I did't see a boy beyond puberty among us when we were bathed by the girls though erection was the very common occurrence.
Layter, when we were not bathed by someone anymore our counsellors still supervised our shower and the most time they were the female but it was not a big problem as they did't pay much attention to us being naked and it was happy being able to undress and quickly sneak into the shower room in which they did't come staying us in the locker room, remembering the previous years when I was required to strip naked in front of girls without a chance to cover myself . When I was 14 or 15 we already had a male conselor.
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Date Posted: 23:25:48 10/28/20 Wed

"Dim" how were you supervised by the male counsellor after you had 14 or 15 age ? were they very strict against discipline ? or more friendly? Did they checked you closely or not?

For you, I understand that it was not really embarrassing to be supervised by a female counsellor between 11 and 14 age since when you were allowed to wash yourself, you were so glad that it had no importance and besides you said that they did not pay much attention to the boys being naked and stayed in the locker room.

And before 11 age, it was of course a little embarrassing but you might comply since it was the common rule or custom, you could not complain or protest or refuse when you were bathed by "the older girls", no matter was your real age since you had been assigned in a younger group and you were not older than 11 age. So you had to hurry up generally when required to srip completely naked in front of girls without a chance to cover yourself.
it might be unpleasant to know that each time at 11 age you had to stand naked in line with the other boys of your group and you said that it could even happen that you were a group of 40 boys all naked and standing in line, either in the locker room before a smaller group of 4 or 5 boys was called to enter in the shower room, either in the shower room as a punishment if the boys made too noise in the locker room while undressing, where you had to enter in a large group to stand to attention like in the army stark naked along the wall of the shower room exposed to the view of the five older girls which was more embarrassing than the locker room.
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Date Posted: 13:41:43 10/29/20 Thu

jean the frenchie, the male counsellors were friendly, they were actually the colledge or the university students on internship or side job. Of course they didn't check us close and didn't mind when we were making some noise unless there was no danger or unless someone was trying to fight with each other.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 00:08:28 10/29/20 Thu

"Dim" thank you for all your detailed answers.

Previously you have written that you had this experience in your childhood because it was your camp's rule that younger groups of children had to be washed in showers by "older girls", I presume that it was the same in most or all the russian summer camps at that time ?.

I believe that you are right about the fact that it was considered as girls' job as a part of childcare And I am not against that idea.

Your bathing day took care in a bulding called "bath house" where the shower rooms were located with no bath tub nor saunas but with separated sections for boys and girls.

At least, you had not to strip completely in front of girls of your age, which could have happened if the boys had been the first group to be bathed before the group of girls in the same shower room and to strip naked under the eyes of the girls which would have been told to wait still dressed but allowed to watch the line of boys in the nude. I presume that no adult or even older counsellor would have considered that situation as an issue if you had shared a locker room with the small girls ?.

In the shower room, of course you had to stand under the shower facing to an "older girl " with arms on your sides. Does it mean that in the locker room while lining up in a group you were allowed to cover your privates with your hands ?

I notice that for you the most embarrassing while being washed was when the "older girl" touched your genitals, not when she washed your buttocks because you did not have to spread your buttocks which was from fast the most embarrassing time when you might do it in front of someone ( I remember still vividly of the first time when I was in that situation at my pre-military physical examination at 18 age ), fortunately for you, you had just to bend over a little and it was very quickly.So not too much embarrasing !

And as you said it was a time when we did what we were told to do. So you didn't protest much.

I like the answer of your counsellors to any kind of protests - "something like "The girls are big and they seen and washed lots of naked boys before your group, you don't have anything they haven't seen many times before so stop bickering and undress!" It was the common words and attitude of persons in charge with authority over boys when they were told to strip completely in public in front of women or girls.

You said that one kind of punishment used when you were making too much noise was to order you to line up not in the locker room but in the shower room along the wall ordering you to stand in attention with your arms by sides like if it was a PE lesson.
But I presume that you were not naked when standing in line with arms on your sides in a Pe lesson ?
And you have written that you swam with a swim suit on the reverse of what happened sometimes in some schools in the United States with the rule of swimming lesson in the nude for boys.
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Dim to jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 14:35:32 10/29/20 Thu

Jean the frenchie, I'll try to answer:

>>I presume that it was the same in most or all the russian summer camps at that time ?.
Not all the summer camp conducted bathing days this way and probably not even most of them but the practice was widspread in variations, I heard of it many times in my childhood and later.

>>I presume that no adult or even older counsellor would have considered that situation as an issue if you had shared a locker room with the small girls ?
Well it's hard to tell now. We were told when we were little that the girls who assigned to wash us are the "big ones" and that's why we have no reason to be embarrassed. They didn't tell us that we shouldn't be shy in front of the girls our age. But maybe you are right and if the situation was like you suggested, we could hear the completely different story.

>>Does it mean that in the locker room while lining up in a group you were allowed to cover your privates with your hands ?
Yes, when we were waiting in line in a locker room we could cover our privates with hands if we wanted. The counsellor were telling us that we have no reason to do it because the girls would wash us in a minutes and would see and wash our private parts anyway (they and the girls said "peepees" or to be more precise, the russian analog of this word). But they didn't scold us if we did it anyway. But not in the shower room and not in front of the girl whe dried us with a towel after the shower in a locker room.

>>But I presume that you were not naked when standing in line with arms on your sides in a Pe lesson ?
Of course not, we were in our PE uniform for PE lessons. I used this comparsion because we were required to line up along the wall opposite the line of the showers where the girls were washing our mates on the same manner as we lined up in front of the gym teacher at the beginning of the PE lesson. The goal was to calm down the group and the counsellor watched us to be sure we are standing still. However the girls didn't look at us at that moments, they were busy by scrubbing the other 4 boys and were standing back on us and were turning to us only to take the next boy from the line. But in this position we boys could see all the process of washing our mates and were often giggling on the moments when some girl grabbed the boys privates with her palm to soap up. And if giggling became laughting loudly than the sounds of water, some of the girls could turn to us to say something like "Stop laughing, you all will be bathed just like this an we will wash your peepeees on the same way!".
As you can see nobody cared of our modesty)

>>And you have written that you swam with a swim suit on the reverse of what happened sometimes in some schools in the United States with the rule of swimming lesson in the nude for boys.
Yes everyone swam wearing swimming trunks, even the smallest children.
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Curious to Dim
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Date Posted: 22:02:44 10/29/20 Thu

Was nudity used as a punishment for boys at the camp since you mention that the girls would make you stand naked by the wall with your hands at your sides if you misbehaved in the showers or bath room?

I read a post a long time ago by a poster who was in a boarding school in Russia who said that nudity in front of girls was often used as a punishment for boys, especially in the dormitories corridor. It was only used on boys and not on girls.

From the above and from what you say it seems that the double standard was common everywhere, not just in USA and other countries but also in Russia.
What seems to have been different in Russia and other East European countries was concerning swimming where either both boys and girls swam in swimsuits or both swam naked even together. This seems to have been different from other countries, including West European and USA where only boys were made to swim naked.
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Dim to Curious
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Date Posted: 15:28:14 11/01/20 Sun

Curious, nudity was never used as a punishment outside the shower room. But in a shower room we were all naked anyway so it doesn't count.
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Konstantin to Dim (then I was "Kostik")
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Date Posted: 16:13:32 10/30/20 Fri

It was years ago, of course, but I had the same experience in pioneer camps. Yes, older girls bathed "malishej' including 10-year-old, but once I was in younger group already after 11 (about three month after my 11th birthday) and was bathed the same as other despite of my protests that I'm too old already and can wash myself. For girls and counselor it wasn't important and I was bathed as all including my privates and very humiliated procedure when bottom and crack were washed in front whoever who was there - girls and boys. Modesty for younger children wasn't accepted then.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 14:09:10 10/31/20 Sat

" Konstantin"

Since it seems to have been a very usual practice in russian pionner camps that younger boys were bathed by just a bit older girls, was it really an issue?

If I try to think about it, it seems to me that it was not a bad idea, it was very educational for the more mature girls m and not very different of family situations when the mothers asked them to help in caring about younger brothers. wa it really unfair for the boys less mature, often careless about their cleanliness if it stopped at 11 or even just a little months afte.

Of course I recognize that it could be depending on the attitude of the girls.
When I read the message of "Dim" it seems that it was not too much embarrassing but when I read your relation, it is different because it seems that the girl's attitude was more intrusive since you felt humiliated when you were bathed th despite your protests like younger boys including your privates, especially buttoms and crack which was certainly humiliating for a boy of more than 11 age.

I presume that it would have been more fair and less humiliating if the girls had been counsellors more older than the girls who washed you.!

But when you said that modesty for younger children was not accepted then, I believe that you could have said the same as a draftee, since according to many relations modesty was not much accepted for male teenagers aged of 18 at draft phyical examinations to decide of their fitness for military service, it seems that there was often public nudity in front of young women nurses or female doctors or even women secretaries or members of a local draft office.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:30:27 11/01/20 Sun

I can understand that it was more embarrassing being washed by just a litle older girl when you were 11 age than 8-9 age because 11 age was generally the age when a boy began to be modest.( even if your father was not wrong when he said that since you had not still hairs, you had nothing to hide)

The issue was that the girls was washing you like a small boy, including your privates parts and the most embarrassing your buttocks and asshole if she did not it quickly and if she spread the cheeks of your buttocks to wash you more properly in front of other boys even younger and other girls without any care for your embarrassment to wash more properly. It increased of course your embarrassment but if we admit that a boy was less careful about his cleanliness than a girl, it was may be necessary at least until 10 age. A too quick washing would have not been useful !

That year when you had 11 age, were you washed by the same "old" girl each time or by different girls each time or almost each time?

And I notice that after from 12 age to 15 age, you were left alone to wash yourself even if it was under supervision and without any embarrassing check of genitals and crack after the washing.

When I read some relations of boy students in a boarding school who had been submitted to such checks by a matron woman or female nurse after bath or shower even at that age, it seems that it could have been worse for you between 12 and 15!

You said that after you have had two physical examinations for the draft process, one at 16, and one at 18, and that it was full exam, What does it mean exactly "full exam".

And you said without any modesty but you did not say if at that older age you were naked in front of women or girls almost your age and how you were treated and examined?

And you said that you admitted it as "part of a man life " and no shame because you were already a big boy?

I don't understand how you could have been more embarrassed at 11 than at 16 or 18 if seen naked by a lot of persons.
Of course it was part of man life and well known in many countries with military service. Even in France every boy and his parents knew that he might report in front of a draft board commission to be examined stark naked with all a group of young men who had reached like him the age of 18 in a large examinatin room in the mayor facility.
It was really embarrassing but it was the tradition in France until middle of the 60's and each boy might comply to the summon and after on the day of the session of the draft board commission he had to parade in the nude in front of ten or twelwe members of the commission with possibly one or two women to decide of his fitness for military service after an embarrassing examination by a military doctor in front of them.

So it was rule and tradition and part of life of a young man but very unpleasant !

And it was at 18 age in France, not at 16 age followed by a second examination at 18 age.

So, I am surprised that you seem to have best admitted these draft physical examinations when you were a male teenager than the washing at 11 age?
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Dim to jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 17:26:19 11/01/20 Sun

jean the frenchie, what if that bathing practice was a kind of boys preparation for military service?
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Konstantin to jean
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Date Posted: 21:40:43 10/31/20 Sat

jean, it was usually in pioneer camps, indeed. It happened tens years ago for me but I recall, when I was in camp (I was there since age 8 till 15) be bathed by older girls when I was 8-9 had no big deal for me. However, at 10-11 situation, when girl who was only little older than you, washed your privates and ass-hole in front other girls and boys was very embarrassing for me. Adults (including my parents) didn't understand it and it considered naturally completely (even my dad told you have no even hairs, what do you need hide?).
After 12 before 15 we took shower independently in camp but were supervised by counselors, however, it was only discipline supervising and ours "fronts" and "asses" weren't checked. In big group of boys nudity wasn't embarrassing.
The first medical draft exams we had at 16 and 18 - and it was full exam - without any modesty - but I (don't know as other) accepted it as part of "man life" - yes, I'm seen everywhere and in front many people - but I'm "big boy" already, no shame (although, any case some procedures during exam were embarrassing enough)
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Dim to Konstantin
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Date Posted: 16:03:41 11/01/20 Sun

Konstantin, my parents thought the same. I remember that summer, when I was 11, on parents' day I told my mom and dad that I have to take a shower with younger groups and that older girls wash us asking if I can change to group. I remember that my dad laughed and said something like "ha, not so bad, just wait till you join the army!" and mom told that when she was a girl she also bathed the little boys at her summer camp and that it is normal and I shouldn't feel shy.
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Konstantin to Dim
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Date Posted: 15:52:38 11/03/20 Tue

Dim, I sure it was opinion almost all parents then - boy ought to be clean and in safety and he isn't big enough for real embarrassment. The same as mothers in some families bathed even teens (I know it happened although kids didn't like to speak about it even with friends) and never were concerned sons' modesty ("I'm mom, you are my boy, what can I see new") - if honestly, with me was so too.
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Date Posted: 18:00:24 11/05/20 Thu

It sounds like you may be jealous that your prick is not as big as other boys. Just because we like to see a good size penis on boys does not mean you have to get bent out of shape and insult anyone who wants to show us their penis. If they enjoy showing it and we enjoy looking at it it is none of your beeswax. I happen to enjoy it and I happen to enjoy the names some call their penis and their testicles. if you don't don't read them.

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Sandy
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Date Posted: 11:36:21 11/01/20 Sun

I was a volunteer counsellor at our church run Summer camp together with other girls I knew at church and at school from age 16 to 19.
We girls were in charge of boys till age 12. Boys nudity in front of us was very common, from when we woke them up in the morning to put on their clothes, to daily showers and also during swimming when some boys who didn't have swimsuits swam naked or they just preferred it that way.
Nudity was never forced on them except obviously during showers when we had to supervise them. Some of the boys after age 11 were embarrassed with us girls seeing them naked in the showers but I think most just got used to it.
We only inspected those boys who we thought were careless about washing. Erections among the boys were also not unusual during these situations.
We also knew that some of the boys masturbated in bed at night, but as church people we discouraged it and often stopped them doing it if it was very obvious or when caught doing it in the open bathroom, telling them that it was a naughty thing to do at their age. Some of the girls were very strict about it while others just ignored it.
But all in all the camp was fun both for the boys and for us girl counsellors.
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Manuel
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Date Posted: 14:00:30 11/01/20 Sun

this is why parents should talk to their kids about masturbation.

there are people out there saying just that - that its shameful and should not be done.

that is what my parents were trying to prevent as we were growing up.

they knew we were going to masturbate. it should not be discouraged. this is normal.

from early on, we were told it was okay to masturbate. i remember that day when it first came up. Dad and Mom told us at the dinner table. the conversation was aimed at my older brother. but me and my sisters had to be present. from the beginning, Dad said to my brother not to be embarrassed by what they were going to say. and right after that, turned and looked at us, each of us, individually, making sure that we understood this was a family issue. at the time i didn't understand, as my older brother was two years older than me. but i remember the conversation. my brother was about 11 and getting a tone of erections. i was 9. my sisters were 7 and 6. well. my 7 year old sister may have been 8, as we are closer to a year and a half apart. so she may have been like 8 at that time. and my youngest sister is a year younger than her.

anyway, when it was my turn for this same discussion. Dad said not to be embarrassed. he did ask not to do this in the bathroom as everyone had access to the bathroom and we saw each other naked everyday. he said to do it in the privacy of our room, close the door. Mom pretty much kept tissue handy for the clean up, but Dad said to use whatever is handy on the times there is no tissue, but to definitely clean up after ourselves. which led to the conversation about ejaculation, pregnancy, sex, nudity, dating, girlfriends.

i do encourage families to sit down and talk about everything. everything. and don't be embarrassed or ashamed.
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Ken
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Date Posted: 22:45:05 11/01/20 Sun

Manuel, it would also be a great time for the doctor to explain the male anatomy to his sister and what the parts of the penis are and about his testicles including being able to feel them. Who better to have do this then a doctor
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 22:18:42 11/02/20 Mon

Some comments and questions about Konstantin message which were in a previous message but not in the good order

I notice that after your experience of being washed by just a little older girls at 11 age in the russian pionners camps, from 12 age to 15 age, you were left alone to wash yourself, even if it was under supervision and without any embarrassing check of genitals and crack after the washing.

When I read some relations of boy students in a boarding school who had been submitted to such checks by a matron woman or female nurse after bath or shower even at that age, it seems that it could have been worse for you between 12 and 15!

You said that after you have had two physical examinations for the draft process, one at 16 age, and one at 18 age, and that it was full exam, What does it mean exactly "full exam".

And you said "without any modesty" but you did not say what does it mean ?, how was the set up of your draft physical examinations at 16 and 18 age? if it was exactly the same? and if at that older age you were naked in front of women or girls almost your age and how you were treated and examined ?

And you said that you admitted it as "part of a man life " and had no shame because you were already a big boy?

I don't understand how you could have been more embarrassed at 11age than at 16age or 18 if seen naked by a lot of persons.?

Of course it was part of man life and well known in many countries with military service.
Even in France every boy and his parents knew that he might report in front of a draft board commission to be examined stark naked with all a group of young men who had reached like him the age of 18 in a large examinatin room in the mayor facility.

It was really embarrassing but it was the tradition in France until middle of the 60's and each boy might comply to the summon and on the day of the session of the draft board commission he had to parade in the nude in front of ten or twelwe members of the commission with possibly one or two women to decide of his fitness for military service after an embarrassing examination by a military doctor in front of them.

So it was rule and tradition and part of life of a young man but very unpleasant and embarrassing !

And it was at 18 age in France, not at 16 age followed by a second examination at 18 age. I am not sure that it was less embarrassing at 16 age and you might be treated with still less respect of dignity since you were certainly considered by adults as still "lads" and treated more rudely.

So, I am surprised that you seem to have best admitted these draft physical examinations when you were a male teenager than the washing by girls at 11 age?

Of course it was not at all the same situation but the sense of modesty was normally less developped at 11 age.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 22:35:43 11/02/20 Mon

to "Dim "

you asked at me :" what if that bathing practice was a kind of boys preparation for military service?"

I don't think so ; in my opinion there was not a direct link between the bathing practice in the russian summer camps which was apparetly a common practice very usual during several years and was the following of some equal practices at home which were related by "Olga" with her twin brothers and the nudity and strict obedience of draftees during military service.

It seems to me that it was something which was widespread in Russia with the idea that older girls were able and enough mature to care on the cleanliness of younger boys, the smaller ones, and that it was educational for them. There was noyhing sexual nor scandalous in that practice and it was supervised by older girls counsellors.

May be the way it was set up with a line of boys waiting in the nude their turn was inspired by military methods to win time but it did not seem that the discipline was very strict and the manners and words of the counsellors and the "older girls" very rude! they had more a "motherly" attitude than that of a sergeant drill!

The boys could have been prepared to military service and practice of nudity in public in other situations like for instance school physical examinations.

If it was the purpose of the authorities in charge of the summer camps they would have decided that the boys might swim in the nude but it was not the case.
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Daniel
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Date Posted: 05:15:48 11/03/20 Tue

At our summer camp in the 1950s we had an army surplus field shower set up at the end of the tent row.
It was a high flat-bed trailer with two rows of shower heads running from the back to the front of the trailer.
A wood frame ran down the middle for soap and stuff. There was a waist high canvas curtain along the sides. The water was heated by a wood-burning boiler at the far end of the trailer. The cook's husband fired up the boiler each morning and sounded a high pitched steam whistle when the water was hot. Guys would come dashing out of the tents (army surplus squad tents on wood frames) clutching towels and toilet kits. A wood boardwalk ran from the end of the tent row to both the showers and the lavatory, which was yet beyond the showers.
Maybe 12 or more boys could use the shower at one time.
A second, shorter trailer served as the dressing room. It had benches running down the outer edge of each side, but no side curtains.
You simply, stripped, went naked over to the shower trailer bed, showered, and came back to, hopefully find your own towel and toilet kit.
There was no overhead tenting on the shower trailer frame. There could be quite a few leaves to kick away in a morning after a windy night. It did not fire up on heavy rain storm days. There was no kind of drainage. The shower water simply ran down the hill from behind the shower deck of the trailer.
The lavatory was a deep pit with a wood platform built over it. Around the three outside edges of the platform was a chair high u-shape box with oval holes built up on the wood floor. the holes opened to the pit below. A wood hinged lid covered each hole, and opened fully to the back when a boy needed to use it.
Just inside the seat (oval hole in the wood box top) on the top of the front of the box was an angled metal pee deflector, that protected the upper inside wood from the boy's urine flow, and deflected it downward into the hole. Anyone who has experienced such a camping history will remember the musical high to low tune of the boy's urine flow splattering against that metal deflector.
Rolls of toilet paper were located around the box. There were always enough, but an experienced camper usually made sure he selected a hole near a roll. Otherwise, he would find himself asking some other boy to "Please pass the toilet paper".
In the center of the u was a round galvanized funnel rising out of the floor. That was the urinal. It was around three or four feet in diameter. A ball of steel wool and a piece of window screen covered the hole in the center, to catch anything dropped into it.
An inverted yellow, wooden Coke soda case, and an inverted red and white Abbott's Dairy milk bottle case were there for younger boys to stand on.
The lavatory was covered with a high army surplus square tent on a wood frame. It had heavy duty screening and full canvas sides, which were usually rolled all the way up. There was room for at least 10 boys sitting and six or more standing around the funnel. Aqua (urine) stream dueling was a common activity.
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Chuck
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Date Posted: 15:09:24 11/03/20 Tue

Thank you for relating your very detailed, but accurate description of actual circumstances at your camp.
Our privi had two seat boxes, facing each other. The holes each had a horseshoe shaped, open front toilet seat, with a lid. The toilet paper was on rollers between the seats. The urinal was at the end, between the seats. It was a metal lined wooden trough that drained to one end. I liked your reference to the musical tunes produced by a boy's pee as he directed it against the rear metal sheet that extended up the frame at the back of the urinal trough.
Thanks for the memories.
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Konstantin to Chuck and Daniel
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Date Posted: 15:25:14 11/03/20 Tue

In our Summer camp ( in Soviet union) in toilet (lavatory) were 6 holes without any barriers among them and boys were sitting in line for #2. In front holes on the floor was linear urinal and urinating boys were standing in front pooping.
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george
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Date Posted: 16:47:00 11/03/20 Tue

In the far back of my mind, I can hear the sound of fellow camper peeing against the sheet metal liners of those campground outhouse privis.
It really was musical, I guess.
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Larry
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Date Posted: 17:36:21 11/03/20 Tue

I remember that sound like it was yesterday. Started high, then trailed down as the stream got weaker. Then one or two high pitched spurts.
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Curious
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Date Posted: 19:22:33 11/03/20 Tue

Did you boys ever have female counsellors or girls supervising or watching you while you peed against the wall in these ditch latrines?
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Larry to Curious
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Date Posted: 21:08:37 11/03/20 Tue

There were no female counsellors, just older guys.
However, the wash house, as we called the latrine, was downhill from the mess hall {dining room} and we could see, from time to time, the Director's daughter watching out of the back window, with a clear view into the open door latrine.
At ground level, there was a vision block wall in front of the wash house door, which was always open, but from the upper location of the mess hall window, anyone could see into the space and see boys standing in front of the trough, and peeing.
That trough had that sheet metal backing others have been talking about.
With the windows open, it could have been possible to have heard that sound several people have mentioned.
On a good day, she , or anybody else, could have seen and heard we boys peeing.
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Helen to Chuck
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Date Posted: 23:23:13 11/03/20 Tue

Thank you for your description of the privi at your camp.
Did you mean that for the whole group of campers, at least the boys, there were only two box seats available. That seems like a small number for a group of resident campers.
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Marge to Daniel
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Date Posted: 18:10:19 11/03/20 Tue

Could you please describe what you meant by "dueling" by the boys standing around the urinary funnel. How high was the funnel from the floor. You said younger boys could stand on boxes, I guess to reach the rim of the funnel?
Was there a way to flush it, or did everything just run down into the drain?
Sorry for so many questions, but it sounds like it could get pretty raucous in there when it was a full house.
We had an outhouse, but there were individual stalls with a canvas sheet in front of each stall. The showers were individual with doors. There were also sinks with mirrors so we could do our hair.
Hope to hear from you.
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Daniel to Marge
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Date Posted: 18:57:00 11/03/20 Tue

Dueling meant two or more boys aiming their pee streams against the stream of another boy. For kids, it was fun.
The galvanized metal funnel was about three to four feet in diameter. The rim was maybe three feet up from the floor. At busy times, there could be 5 or six boys standing around it peeing at the same time.
The campers ranged from 9 to 15, and some of the little guys would have had to pee up over the rim. The upside down boxes let them stand so they were over the rim.
There was no way to "Flush" the funnel. But, part of the camp daily chore schedule was lavatory duty. Boys assigned to that detail worked with the cooks husband, who maintained the grounds. I had that several times.
Under his supervision, we would mix a white powder, that smelled like Clorox with water from a tap at the end of the shower trailer deck. That got dumped down the funnel and each toilet hole. We would also mop the floor and put toilet paper around the holes.
The shower deck was cleaned the same way, but we would strip naked, turn on all the shower heads and scrub the deck with long handled, stiff brushes. He did not strip, but supervised us doing the cleaning.
After the cleaning, we would dress, and put a closed sign on the lavatory door for 30 minutes.
Some guys would often come down to use it, but they would have to wait.
Did that answer your questions?
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Chuck to Helen
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Date Posted: 00:12:37 11/04/20 Wed

Sorry about that. There were two rectangular boxes, one on each side of the floor, facing each other.
There were four oval holes, in the top front of the box. Each hole had a horseshoe shaped toilet seat, with a lid, like any public toilet. There was not an interior metal deflector, like other posters have described, but there was some kind of a metal liner along the inside of the front of the box.
The box was higher than a usual toilet seat, so many of the younger boys had to first pull down their jeans and under pants to their ankles, then sort of hop up onto the toilet seat, or use a small step stool that was shared by any needing it. Usually the younger boys would need to spread their legs apart and just sit on the two front lobes of the open horseshoe seat.
The older boys could just sit back on the toilet seat like a normal toilet.
When they were finished, some boys would lean forward, take a wad of toilet paper and wipe from the rear, others would lift one butt cheek and wipe from the side, and some would use one hand to lift their balls and penis with one hand and reach under from the front.
Some boys even stood up in front of the toilet seat and wiped standing up.
During high use times, like mornings and before bed, all seats would be taken and a few guys would be standing there waiting for an opening. Some boys would actually have their jean and underpants down to their ankles, and their shirts gathered up, so they were ready to plop down as soon a the other boy got up. That was called a "Hot Seat".
If the urinal trough was full with guys peeing, and a toilet seat was vacant, a boy would lift a seat and pee standing in front of the seat.
During the rest of the day, boys would go between sessions, or even just to be excused from a session. Usually a counselor, for the sake of safety, would wait until there were two or three boys requesting to go and send them at the same time.
Sorry for the long answer, but that was the way it really was.
Did that answer your question.
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Margaret to Chuck
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Date Posted: 01:07:22 11/04/20 Wed

Did counselors check quality of wiping, at least, for younger boys? Were some boys embarrassed to poop near and in front other boys or for all it wasn't big deal?
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Chuck to Margaret
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Date Posted: 01:46:23 11/04/20 Wed

No. Nobody checked on anything like that.
There was a learning curve for new campers, younger and older. But after a few days, we thought nothing of it. It was Get it Done.
Older campers often, at the start of a week session, would help younger campers get up on the toilet seats. The best way for them was to take down jeans and underpants, and hop up onto the front two ends of the toilet seat. They would be very near the front of the box, almost straight up and down.
They would learn, some the hard way, to push their penis downward, between their spread legs, to pee, or they could end up peeing over the front of the box, onto their underpants.
Older boys would coach them.
After they finished peeing, they could take their hand away and simply poop down into the hole, with their penis facing up and over the front of the toilet box.
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Date Posted: 02:29:11 11/04/20 Wed

Did you ever "help" a new younger camper up onto the toilet box and actually coach him how to push down his penis so he did not pee over the front of the toilet box?
Did you touch him, meaning his penis?
If yes, how did it react to your touch?
Did he pee while you held/pushed it downward between his legs?
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chuck to helen
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Date Posted: 03:10:06 11/04/20 Wed

No I did not but I saw other older boys coach the younger boys.
As a middler, I didn't have direct contact with the new kids.
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Marge to Daniel
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Date Posted: 04:04:50 11/04/20 Wed

You said you put toilet paper around the toilet box holes. Do you mean you actually lined the holes with toilet paper, for campers to sit on?
If so, were they expected to line the holes with new toilet paper after they used it?
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Daniel to Marge
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Date Posted: 04:07:34 11/04/20 Wed

No.
I meant we put full rolls of toilet paper on the box so they were within reach to any boy sitting on the toilet box.
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Sam
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Date Posted: 04:29:29 11/04/20 Wed

There were always one or two boys in each cabin at Summer camp who still wet their bed at night, even at 10 and 11.
At that age we had girl counsellors and they would wake such boys during the night to take them to the toilet to make them pee so as not to do it in bed.
I wasn't one of them but I sometimes woke during the night to go and pee and could see the girl counsellor holding the boy's penis to make him pee with his briefs at his knees since he was still half asleep.
These weren't little boys but 10 and 11 year old boys.
We all wore just briefs to sleep at night.
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Richard
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Date Posted: 04:52:01 11/04/20 Wed

We had two boys, both 12, that had urinary incontinence, meaning they could wet the bed.
Around 1 AM I woke, needing to use the bathroom.
Two high school girls had these boys, groggy, half asleep, standing in front of a toilet in our bathroom, with their underpants all the way down, pulling on each boy's penis, and encouraging them to urinate into the toilet.
They saw me, and challenged me why I was there.
I answered truthfully that I had to go to the bathroom.
They lifted the seat of the toilet next to them and said to use that.
I did,and as I went back to bed, they started to again encourage the two still half asleep boys to piss.
The next day, both of them had no recollection of the previous nights events.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 09:19:29 11/04/20 Wed

From all what I read about toilets for boys in some american summer camps, I notice that they were not sophisticated but rather very simple.
No privacy but they were used only by boys.

As regards the interest for the daughter of the director who could see the boys peeing by a window, I don't think that it was very important, to look at a boy peeing was not so much interesting and it was not at a short distance.

What I prefer to notice was that according to what Helene or Marjorie said thre was a great difference between the bath house for girls and for boys at least in some camps since she said that as girls, they had "an outhouse, but there were individual stalls with a canvas sheet in front of each stall. The showers were individual with doors. There were also sinks with mirrors so we could do our hair."

It was very comfortable and respectuous of privacy, I doiubt that boys had the same respect for showers in a summmer camp. Always the famous double standard but I don't criticize it, may be it was normal, girls are not boys, there could be some differences in the way they weree treated.

Not sure that it is true today?
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Date Posted: 15:12:51 11/04/20 Wed

I never heard of a boy standing up when he wiped his butt. Has anyone else heard of or seen boys standing up to wipe. Do they face the toilet, reach under from the front, reach around the side, how is that done standing up?
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 09:57:07 11/05/20 Thu

I have posted messages about the relations of their experience in russian summer camps to Konstantin, Dim and Olga but it seems that they have not read them since I have no answers after questions which are linked such as school physical examinations and draft physical examinations.
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Donald
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Date Posted: 14:49:16 11/06/20 Fri

What I remember from camp latrines was:
The terrible smell,
And
since there was no toilet seat, just an oval hole to sit on, I had the fear that a spider would be under there and bite my butt.
and oh,
I wiped from the side.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 12:00:26 11/07/20 Sat

What I reminds vividly from school even today is the smell of sweat and socks in the locker room after a Pe lesson when all a class was changing or taking a shower, and even still more during military service the smell of feet when during the first months of training at barracks, we slept in a large dormitory of about twenty six new inductees with two bunk beds on each side (yet, there was mandatory showers supervised by non commissioner officers but it was not enough to suppress the smell of shoes and feet in military dormitory !)
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Margaret for jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 12:50:11 11/07/20 Sat

Boys' smell is part of puberty process. My 3 boys - 14, 16, 17 - are sharing bedroom and in morning it smells enough, although, all three have mandatory shower before sleeping.
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Curious to Margaret
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Date Posted: 15:53:15 11/07/20 Sat

Do you supervise their showers before bed, or inspect them for cleanliness after shower?

Do they wear anything for bed, like briefs or pyjamas and would you allow them to sleep naked?
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Margaret to Curious
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Date Posted: 16:03:36 11/07/20 Sat

I don't supervise them now. However, inspections are existing. For youngest, almost daily, for both older random, on average weekly. Youngest sleeps in PJ, both older in briefs, nevertheless, in hot months they all like sleep naked. I permit them decided themselves. The same, if they have friends on sleepover, visitors (or their parents) decided themselves about sleep-clothes.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 16:08:53 11/07/20 Sat

3margaret " you are right, the smell of male teenagers is often important even when they bathed regurlarly.

With three boys who are already all teenagers and share a bedroom, I imagine that the smell must be sometimes very strong.

To joke it is often said that it is the smell of a tiger or a lion when you entered in the bedroom of boys in the morning.

And besides, most of them are not careful with their clothes, when they undress, they leave them one by one just on the spot where they fall.

it is life!

Much of the boys needs to be disciplined but they are not today !

When I did my time of military service in the first 70's in France, the non commissioners officers who were in charge of a group of inductees told to us at our arrival in barracks that they would check very closely how we took our showers with instructions given to wash from head to toes front and back all together under their supervision and also that they would do regular inspections of our dormitories to check the cleanliness of our clothes, especially socks and underwears, and also that they would do ramdomly an inspection of our body cleanliness in the corridor all lining up in the nude againt the wall face to them.

At first hand I found that humiliating and I disliked these situations but after a few days of living in community, I understood that it was necessary even with young men of 18 age.

It was only for the first months when we slept in dormitories and were not still used with military methods.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 16:19:19 11/07/20 Sat

"Margaret " what do you mean by an inspection ?

it means that you let them take their shower without supervision but after your youngest boy of 14 age is inspected daily and the two older less regularly but one time by week ?

how do you proceed?

your sons must strip completely in front of you in the bathroom and you are inspecting their body, front for genitals and back for buttocks and crack ?

it must be a little embarrassing especially for the two oldest ?
Did you examin them one by one without presence of an other son or together ?
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Margaret for jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 16:33:46 11/07/20 Sat

jean, my little comments on your information


3margaret " you are right, the smell of male teenagers is often important even when they bathed regurlarly. - It's true but if boys neglect hygiene their smell will be worse.

With three boys who are already all teenagers and share a bedroom, I imagine that the smell must be sometimes very strong. - I agree with you but they are my sons, no big deal

To joke it is often said that it is the smell of a tiger or a lion when you entered in the bedroom of boys in the morning. - something similar, puberty for boys is "smell age"

And besides, most of them are not careful with their clothes, when they undress, they leave them one by one just on the spot where they fall. - all three boys must change underpants (briefs) daily and I change their bed linen weekly (each Saturday)


Much of the boys needs to be disciplined but they are not today ! - I try to keep them in borders of discipline and all 3 know it

When I did my time of military service in the first 70's in France, the non commissioners officers who were in charge of a group of inductees told to us at our arrival in barracks that they would check very closely how we took our showers with instructions given to wash from head to toes front and back all together under their supervision and also that they would do regular inspections of our dormitories to check the cleanliness of our clothes, especially socks and underwears, and also that they would do ramdomly an inspection of our body cleanliness in the corridor all lining up in the nude againt the wall face to them. - very good and right custom

At first hand I found that humiliating and I disliked these situations but after a few days of living in community, I understood that it was necessary even with young men of 18 age. - jean, "boy at 18" is boy only despite of long penis and pubic bush and, at least for some of them control and inspections are necessary, the same from mom or military personal. Moreover, if friends of my sons have sleepover in our home, I give him the same requests for hygiene as my own boys.
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Date Posted: 17:20:36 11/07/20 Sat

I taught leather crafts at a boys camp. Every night, one staff member stayed awake all night, usually in the camp office in the rec hall.
Around midnight, that person did a walk around the whole camping area for fire watch and security. We would carry a lantern.
The boys slept in cabins. I would stop by each cabin, open the door and hold the lantern just inside enough to see that all was well.
The latrine was kept lighted all night.
It had tile floors, running water and large shower room.
Along one wall were a row of sinks, and across from them several stand up urinals and at least a half dozen toilets.
There were no enclosures or partitions between the toilets.
The door was open but the screen door was closed, so I could clearly see everything inside without opening the door.
Because of the hour, I was surprised to see a boy sitting on one of the toilets. He was wearing a t shirt, and his PJs were down around his feet.
He was masturbating.
I didn't know what to do, so I just stood there and watched him.
In a few moments, he lifted himself up off the toilet seat, leaned over forward and because of the open front toilet seat, I clearly saw several spurts of white semen shoot out of his penis.
He sat back down on the toilet seat and I could see his very erect penis sticking almost straight upward.
As he gathered up his PJ bottoms, I ducked around the side of the latrine, so he would not see me when he left.
He came out, turned on his flashlight a trotted up and across the field toward his cabin.
I saw him the next day in leather crafts, but of course, never said anything to him, or anyone else, until this time.
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Alex to Laura
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Date Posted: 20:07:57 11/07/20 Sat

All boys since certain age do it sometimes together with friends. It's normal absolutely. Any boy in his bedroom, bathroom, shower must feel free when masturbate. My mom keep in my room tissues and jello for me since my 12 when started puberty
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Joan to Laura
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Date Posted: 20:37:24 11/07/20 Sat

Laura
How old was the boy you watched masturbating in the latrine?
You said you actually saw him spurt out of his penis, so he was at least 13 or more.
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Laura to Joan
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Date Posted: 21:46:41 11/07/20 Sat

I don't really know. I only saw the boys that were in leather crafts, ages from 9 to 15. I was a freshmen in college, and I had seen my same age boys naked. Yes, and had seen my same age boys ejaculate.
But I had never seen a kid his age masturbating. He did have some pubic hair, I do remember that, so he was probably 14. The oldest campers were 15.
Maybe another reader has a better understanding of when boys develop that ability.
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Tommy
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Date Posted: 02:49:55 11/08/20 Sun

If this happened at our church run camp the boy would have been punished or severely reprimanded.
Masturbation was considered as a sin and a dirty thing to do in those days.
Most counsellors kept a lookout for this, especially in toilets and during the night.
To answer your question, most boys develop the ability to ejaculate after age 13, so it starts with teens. But it doesn't mean that young boys do not masturbate before that age, usually starting around age 10 or 11.
I can speak from experience at that age. Although I didn't ejaculate before age 13 the dry orgasm was intense just the same.
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Laura to Tommy
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Date Posted: 04:47:04 11/08/20 Sun

Thanks for your response.
You said that "Most counsellors kept a lookout for this, especially in toilets and during the night."
How would that be possible since those activities would be done in private, behind a curtain or door closed or under the bed covers.
How closely did they monitor for that, and were these counsellors adults, male or female or older campers?
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Tommy to Laura
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Date Posted: 13:47:40 11/08/20 Sun

There was no privacy or doors in the toilets and showers. They were open areas much like other posters described and could easily be watched by someone standing or passing just outside or by the open entrance.

The rythmic masturbation movements under the bedsheets could also be a tell tale sign. I could observe and tell from my bed that some boys were doing it by these movements.
Also soiled sheets in the teen boys beds in the morning were obvious signs.

The counsellors up to age 12 were usually college or HS girls, but there were still some boys who did it and some were caught. I was one of them and was caught twice at age 11. Our girl counsellor at age 12 was not so strict about it and probably even found it amusing.

Not all counsellors were strict about it, some just ignored it if it was done discreetly while others were more strict.
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Manuel
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Date Posted: 15:02:14 11/08/20 Sun

to Tommy:
and anyone reading this:


"If this happened at our church run camp the boy would have been punished or severely reprimanded.
Masturbation was considered as a sin and a dirty thing to do in those days."

this is why parents should talk to their kids about masturbation. many people are led to believe that masturbation is a sin. and i thank you Tommy for also saying 'in those days'. not only was it commonly called a sin but that one could or would go to hell for it. this leads to so much guilt that will surely come if this isn't talked about as a family. all that shame is that taught and applied. where in the Bible does it say that masturbation is a sin? instead, when a male goes through a nocturnal emission, he is considered unclean. what i am saying is that this will surely happen, and prepare yourself and prepare your loved ones. we are going to masturbate. we are going to have a nocturnal emission. Boy, I am so glad i had a wonderful Dad that said to me "son, when you masturbate, do it in the privacy of your room. close the door, and try to plan ahead and have tissue to clean your mess. and if any of us walk in on you by accident, we promise to walk back out." of which Mom also agreed and elaborated. Moms, Dads. talk to your children.



"Most counselors kept a lookout for this, especially in toilets and during the night."

this bothers me.



"To answer your question, most boys develop the ability to ejaculate after age 13, so it starts with teens. But it doesn't mean that young boys do not masturbate before that age, usually starting around age 10 or 11.
I can speak from experience at that age. Although I didn't ejaculate before age 13 the dry orgasm was intense just the same."

thank you Tommy for using the word ejaculate. this a topic that should be discussed in a family. Dads should talk to their sons about this. and in today's society with single Moms at the helm, Moms should talk about their sons, and their daughters. ejaculations are going to happen. and what should happen after ejaculation should also be discussed.


thank you Tommy
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Margaret for jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 16:50:03 11/07/20 Sat

jean, I can answer if it's interesting for you -

"Margaret " what do you mean by an inspection ? - exam from head to toe and with my experience and cooperation with boy it's need couple minutes only

it means that you let them take their shower without supervision but after your youngest boy of 14 age is inspected daily and the two older less regularly but one time by week ? - yes, it so

how do you proceed? in short - head, hairs, ears and behind ears, chest, tummy, pubic hair, penis, turn of, back, bottom (bent and spread), legs and feet...

your sons must strip completely in front of you in the bathroom and you are inspecting their body, front for genitals and back for buttocks and crack ? - they don't strip because they in this moment are naked already after shower and yes, I inspecting everything

it must be a little embarrassing especially for the two oldest ? - they are boys in family and mom's care is part of usual discipline

Did you examin them one by one without presence of an other son or together ? - both variants but I don't encourage too shyness in front brothers - all three are boys, all three are brothers - mom's exam the same for all.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:10:37 11/08/20 Sun

"Margaret" thank you for your answers, it ssems that you are acting like a drill sergeant with your sons : no privacy, no modesty..

I presume that if you have inspected them from early age, they are now used to that kind of inspection but for the oldest sons it must be nevertheless embarrassing since they are no more small kids and you are inspecting all their bodies including cracks and sides of butt hole while they must bent over and spread their cheeks, nothing is more humiuliating for a male teenager !

And in front of each other to increase tthe embarrassment.

The nudidy in front of a mother is not a big deal for sons who have been used to it but the inspection even if it does not last a very long time and is quick is not common.
I guess that they never talk about it to their classmates at school.

If you are married,and not a wive, does your husband agree with that kind of inspection, was he inspected like that by his mother at the same age? do you dicuss sometimes with him about privacy and modesty of your sons.

you said that it was the same if a friend of one of your sons slept at your home, but I presume that he is not submitted by you to the same corporal inspection of cleanliness than your sons ?
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Margaret to jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 15:26:39 11/08/20 Sun

jean, with all respect to you opinion -

it ssems that you are acting like a drill sergeant with your sons : no privacy, no modesty.. - jean, mom of 3 teenagers boys ought to be kind of sergeant but with love

I presume that if you have inspected them from early age, they are now used to that kind of inspection but for the oldest sons it must be nevertheless embarrassing since they are no more small kids and you are inspecting all their bodies including cracks and sides of butt hole while they must bent over and spread their cheeks, nothing is more humiuliating for a male teenager ! - they are boys in family, they are brothers, I'm their mother and regular inspection for boys (even teenagers) is part of motherly care and part of family discipline.

And in front of each other to increase the embarrassment. -
- again, they are boys, they are brothers, nobody ought to be embarrassed to show even his "butt hole" - it's family

The nudidy in front of a mother is not a big deal for sons who have been used to it but the inspection even if it does not last a very long time and is quick is not common. -
- each family has own rules and laws, but I know that almost all mothers from our "Church mothers' club" have the same methods care with their children.

I guess that they never talk about it to their classmates at school - some their friends know about it ans were on sleepovers in our home. For them it's usual motherly care

If you are married,and not a wive, does your husband agree with that kind of inspection, was he inspected like that by his mother at the same age? do you dicuss sometimes with him about privacy and modesty of your sons. - My husband is sailor and absence in home months. However, he agrees with me completely and in his childhood he and his siblings had strict discipline in home too.

you said that it was the same if a friend of one of your sons slept at your home, but I presume that he is not submitted by you to the same corporal inspection of cleanliness than your sons ? - some of boys' friends are sons of my fronds from our Church congregation and we all have opinion that boy on sleepover ought to have the same rules that children in "host-family". If I inspecting one of my older boys in this day (youngest is checked daily), his friend on sleepover is checked by me too. Boys on sleepover are on my responsibility, they usually share beds with my boys and have to have the same hygiene rules
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Manuel
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Date Posted: 16:20:29 11/08/20 Sun

i have to agree with Margaret.

and i never had a problem with being inspected by Mom or Dad at any given moment or for any reason. they were most welcome to inspect. any part of me. including my crack.

this they also did in front of my sisters. and sometimes, my aunts would ask Mom because they were concerned over their sons. so Mom would let my aunts examine me much to compare me to my cousins. and i never felt forced. and i never hesitated, and i felt no reason to say no. there was a concern there. a concern parents have for their children.

i agree with Margaret.
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Margaret to Manuel
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Date Posted: 20:09:45 11/08/20 Sun

"...and i never had a problem with being inspected by Mom or Dad at any given moment or for any reason. they were most welcome to inspect. any part of me. including my crack..."

Manuel, until which age did your parents inspection for you?
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Paula to Manuel
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Date Posted: 23:26:23 11/08/20 Sun

Hi, Manuel,
were your sister inspected by Dad or Mom too or it was boys' privilege only? How often did your parents inspect your butt crack when you were teen - on average - daily, weekly...?
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Manuel
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Date Posted: 00:10:10 11/13/20 Fri

to Paula

i don't remember Dad ever inspecting my sisters. he was very respectful and usually gave that job to my Mom. Mom had no problem checking the boys and we had no problem with Mom checking us either. my brother and i had no preferences as to which parent. and if a sister wanted to see, she could. and they were never told no. i think Mom may have said something like my sisters one day will have sons. she was right. they do.
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Manuel
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Date Posted: 22:51:27 11/08/20 Sun

we grew up with family nudity. it was somewhat common for either Mom or Dad to inspect us especially if they thought they saw something or for just about any reason.

for me, i was nude most every day. even the cold days, but when too cold then i would get dressed.

and all this up till i went on to college. 18.

although i would come home on weekends or summers or holidays and i would go nude then, too. we were never discouraged, we were never told no.

both Mom and Dad would get really close looks, and my sisters always joined in to see.
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Manuel
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Date Posted: 06:03:19 11/09/20 Mon

to Paula

i don't remember how often. it wasn't everyday. it wasn't weekly. it wasn't on any timed schedule. just whenever a parent saw something that concerned them. and usually if one of us was checked out, we were all checked out.
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Paula to Manuel
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Date Posted: 21:13:09 11/09/20 Mon

I see your parents were very smart. Indeed, if all children have inspection together it cancelled any embarrassment and children, despite their age, can show their bottom crack to parents and siblings without any shame. Am I right?
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Manuel
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Date Posted: 00:06:35 11/13/20 Fri

to Paula

not sure if that was their reasoning. I think its more like "might as well just check everybody while we're at it" type of thing.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 09:52:32 11/09/20 Mon

" Manuel"

your situation was not at all the same as that of the teenagers sons of "Margaret " since we were frequently nude at home and nudity was very common in your family, it was not only a question of checking your cleanliness.

"Margaret" still one question :

I presume that like you said you are a loving family and when you inspect the clealiness of your boys, it is with love and motherly care for their respect of hygiene, not to embarrass or humiliate them. And you do the same with their friends if they sleep at your home.

But would you have performed the same kind of inspection if you would have one daughter instead of one of the three sons ? and at the same age when she would have been a teenager ?
Or do you think that it must be different for a girl and a boy, a daughter and a son , and if yes, why ?
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Sharron
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Date Posted: 17:57:39 11/09/20 Mon

I never thought I would post something to this board, but after reading about several boy camp experiences, I will speak my story.
My mom worked in the office of a camp in Pennsylvania. She had to do the overnight watch, and asked me to stay over ay the came with her.
Sometime around midnight or 1:am she had to do the walk around, similar to the one the other poster described.
It was very dark, and we carried a lantern.
We went to each cabin and she opened the door and lifted the lantern to see that all was OK.
In one cabin, as she looked inside, we saw a boy, maybe 11 or 12, sitting up in his bunk, sobbing.
Mom went in, as I stayed by the door, to see what was the matter.
The boy was a first year camper, had to go to the bathroom, and his flashlight batteries were down.
Mom told him to come with us, and the three of us walked over to the wash house. The wash house had a light by the door, but it was dark inside.
She opened the door, reached around and turned on the light.
The wash house had sinks on one side and a row of toilets on the other. There were no partitions between the toilets.
The boy hurried in, and even though he knew we were there and could clearly see him, he opened his pj's pulled down the front of his underwear, lifted the seat, and started peeing into the toilet.
When he was done, he washed his hands, and we all walked back to his cabin. He was a happy camper.
I'm not sure he even realized that I was just a girl, and not another staff.
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Curious to Sharron
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Date Posted: 22:20:07 11/09/20 Mon

What were your feelings at seeing the preteen boy peeing and his penis exposed?
How old were you at the time?
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Sharron to Curioue
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Date Posted: 23:23:37 11/09/20 Mon

My first surprise was that he did not sit down.
I just figured that everybody sat down to pee.
So it was a surprise to see him standing up and not having it go all over the floor.
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Margaret to jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 21:31:14 11/09/20 Mon

"...But would you have performed the same kind of inspection if you would have one daughter instead of one of the three sons ? and at the same age when she would have been a teenager ?..."

Jean, I can't answer on your question, I don't know answer.
For my 3 boys and their friends (with agreement their parents) I can provide all my requests of hygiene, but I have no experience with girls.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:13:21 11/10/20 Tue

"Margaret"

you are lucky to have only to care about boys, it is more easy in fact because they are more obedient on the reverse of what a lot of adult persons thought and did not make a mess about intimate inspections by their mothers like that you do. they forget easily their initial embarrassment if the mother is acting with motherly manners.
Most of the sons are so loving their mothers that they don't care to be naked in front of her and think that she does for the best ...
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:20:14 11/10/20 Tue

"Sharon "

I like your relation about summer camp because it shows how things could be normal without any wrong ideas.

I am sure that the boy was so happy to have been able to pee that he did not mind who could have seen his genitals while peeing with his Pyjama pulled down, he was only 12 age and the most important for him was to pee during that night ! nothing else was important.

And your innocence to discover that a boy could pee while standing without sitting on a toilet seat shows that all girls were not so educated about male anatomy tha some tryed to tell.
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Sharron
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Date Posted: 17:59:50 11/10/20 Tue

I actually tried to pee standing up, at our cabin.
It didn't work. I made a mess on the floor and around the toilet.
Mom saw me cleaning up and asked what had happened. I told her honestly what I was trying to do. She laughed, Hugged me and told me she would make some arrangements for me to learn about boys.
And she did. She really did.
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Curious to Sharron
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Date Posted: 16:33:10 11/11/20 Wed

What exactly were the arrangements that your mom made to let you learn more about boys?
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Sharron to Curious
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Date Posted: 20:52:13 11/11/20 Wed

Mom set up an informational session with the mom of a 14 year old boy, who was just as ignorant about girls.
He evidently had just experienced his first wet dream, which she helped him clean up, and was full of questions about girls.
We did it at their house.
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Mary to Sharren
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Date Posted: 03:40:35 11/12/20 Thu

How did you do "it"?
Was it just talk, pictures, film, did either of you actually see the other naked?
I know it was some time ago, but share as much as you can recall.
Were both moms involved, was there a third person leading, or was it just the two moms.
I think the readers would like to have more specifics.
Do other readers agree?
Please share the factual details.
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Sammy
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Date Posted: 04:10:59 11/12/20 Thu

I was in the same situation as you and that boy who wanted to pee at camp when I used to sleep over at my aunt's house.
She had a big old house and I was scared to go pee alone to the bathroom at night which was on a different floor than our bedroom.
I slept in my girl cousin's room because I was scared to sleep alone. She was just one year older than me and I would ask her to accampany me to the bathroom when I wanted to pee. I was between 11 and 12 at the time.
I didn't care that she watched me pee and saw my penis as long as she was there while I peed in spite of a little embarrassment. I think it was the same with the boy you saw peeing at the camp, he was probably scared to go out in the dark to the toilets and was grateful that you and your mom were there in spite of having to pee and show his penis in front of you.
In such cases the feeling of security overcomes the feeling of embarrassment, even if he was a preteen boy like I was.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:06:02 11/11/20 Wed

"sharron "

What were the arrangements of your mother to learn you more about the boy's anatomy
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Sharron to Mary
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Date Posted: 16:10:41 11/12/20 Thu

They really planned it out well.
We went over to their house and we had a backyard BBQ.
The boy's name was larry and we hit it off good. We even played lawn darts. Some of the readers my recall that game.
Later, we went into the house. Everything was done in the rumpus room. What we would today call the family room.
It had a deep pile red shag carpet, and they had black large bean bag seats.
Our moms were present the whole time and really guided Larry and me.
Yes, we saw each other naked.
There was looking, and touching.
I think we were both very nervous, but as we progressed, our moms helped to put us at ease.
We both became very aroused from looking and touching.
Larry's arousal was very obvious.
Understand, this was not a make out session. There was no hugging or kissing or things like that. This was check it out, look, touch, feel and such.
I enjoyed the whole thing, and feel that our moms presence, guidance and encouragement made it a success.
Does that answer your questions.
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Dale to Sharron
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Date Posted: 17:16:56 11/12/20 Thu

You still haven't said how old you were at the time.

Were you into puberty yet, or just a young curious girl?

Did the boy ejaculate while you were fingering his penis since he was 14 and you said that he was aroused from the beginning?
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Sharron to Dale
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Date Posted: 17:46:41 11/12/20 Thu

Dale:
We were both 14 and both going into 9th grade in September.
We were both in early puberty. We both had pubic hair, alto not much. I had more than him. My breasts were small, more like the pointed paper cups you used at a drinking fountain.
Although I handled his erect penis a lot, and did stroke it, with encouragement from both moms, it was not sufficient to cause ejaculation. I will say that I was very aroused from his fingers touching me, but neither of us had ougasms.
No, he did not ejaculate, while we were there.
His mom told my mom that he did, with her encouragement and support, after we left.
At the time I had no idea what that was.
Does that answer your question OK?
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Sharron to Dale
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Date Posted: 18:14:12 11/12/20 Thu

Sorry I didn't get that all right.
He was not aroused from the beginning, in fact, when he and his mom first came into the room, he was wearing a terry bathrobe, and was very nervous,
When his mom asked him to take off his robe, he was almost shaking. He did take it off and stood totally naked in front of all of us,
At that time, his penis was totally limp and hanging down over his scrotum.
But as his mom encouraged him to touch his penis so I could see, I was invited to touch is penis, and as I held it, he came up to a full erection.
Both my mom and his mom showered him with praise and support and encouragement, which helped to put him at ease.
He remained erect for the rest of the session.
I was totally fascinated with the whole thing.
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Bradley
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Date Posted: 22:58:24 11/12/20 Thu

I can remember, in the 1960s standing in line outside the camp outhouse, we called the willie, waiting to go in.
The willie saw a square, canvas tent, on a plywood platform, over a deep pit.
There were two holes on each side to sit on, and a narrow metal trough, that came out from the back of the tent to the middle.
That was the pee latrine.
During busy times, a counselor would stand at the door and signal what spaces were opening up.
When he saw that a boy was finishing peeing, or had reached for toilet paper, the counselor would ask down the line whether you had to pee or poop.
You indicated with one or two fingers, what you had to do.
He then allowed you into the willie and you either stood in front of the boy wiping or moved right up to the urinal trough, as the other boy moved away.
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Laura to Bradley
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Date Posted: 03:39:27 11/13/20 Fri

Was it always backed up like that?
Ladies rooms in stores sometimes get backed up like that?
Where did this counselor stand to see all that was happening?
It could not have been like that all day, was it?
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Curious to Bradley and others
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Date Posted: 13:04:41 11/13/20 Fri

Were the counselors overseeing the boys peeing males or also females?

I imagine those boys up to age 12 who had girl counselors, as many here say they did, would also oversee the boys under their charge peeing to keep order.

Has anyone had this experience at camp of having girl counselors overseeing them while peeing in groups?
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Author:
he
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Date Posted: 10:44:17 11/23/20 Mon

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Joan to Sharron
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Date Posted: 00:28:20 11/13/20 Fri

Did you and your mom talk about what happened?
Did that experience satisfy your questions?
I would have done anything for an experience like that.
Was that the only time you ever saw him naked?
Did you see him ever ejaculate?
If so, when and where did those things happen?
Were your Moms still involved?
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Author:
jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 09:19:05 11/13/20 Fri

"Sammy"

Thank you for your message because it shows that a shy boy could at that time ( it would be the same today !) consider as much more important to be able to pee when it is dark outside than to expose his penis to the view of a female counsellor and a girl of his age.

It is obiously true: to expose his penis was so a few event at 12 age that a boy did not hesitate a long time beetween that inconvenient and the possibility of being relieved by peeing.
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Mary to Sharron
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Date Posted: 14:08:12 11/13/20 Fri

So Sharron,
Was that the only "session" you had wuth that boy?
Was there another?
Did you get to see him ejaculate?
I wish my mom had done something like that for me.
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Sharron to Mary
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Date Posted: 16:28:47 11/13/20 Fri

Yes, there was one more time.
At the end of the season, we went again to Larry's house.
Like before, we had hot dogs and stuff, but it was raining, so we did everything in that rumpus room.
We did toss across, a beanbag game, and we all played a board game call Sorry. It was all fun.
After the games, Larry's mom said it was time for us to undress. Larry went up stairs, and I went into the power room next to where we were.
In no time I heard Larry bounding down the stairs and into the room.
When I stepped out of the powder room, with a beach towel around my shoulders, Larry was wearing the same terry robe, and sitting with his mom on one of the big beanbag seats.
He greeted me with a big smile, very much at ease.
As before, we touched, felt, looked and fondled each other
as we were coached my our moms.
We were both highly aroused, and Larry's mom said something about Larry was starting to leak. H e was. A clear, slippery fluid was seeping out of his penis and running down the shaft.My mom said it was good and normal, and coached mr how to smear it around the head of his penis and up and down the shaft.
That's when things changed a bit.
Larry's mom told him to lay down on the shag carpet, and for me to sit next to him, with my legs spread open so he could see.
His penis was standing up, arching up and over his patch of pubic hair, as if it was pointing at his belly button.
Larry reached over to touch my clit, and my mom told me to start stroking his penis again.
For several minutes I floated in the air as his fingers flicked, rubbed and stimulated me
Larry asked me go go a little faster.
In another moment, he turned his head toward his mom and shook his head with a yes.
His mom said to watch closely, because his penis was about toejaculate.
Mom got up on her knees to see better, and as I continued to stroke, he began to spurt.
I t took me as a surprise, and I stopped, for a second.
Right away his mom said not to stop but keep doing it until he stopped spurting.
That's when I went over the top and had my orgasm.
My mom saw me jerk, and put her arms around me, and held me tight as not only did I continue stroking Larry's penis, but thrilled to the feeling of my own orgasm.
Larry had streaks of watery, white semen from the tip of his penis almost up to his neck. He propped himself up on his elbows, and we all giggled as we watched a glob of pearly goo slither down into his belly button, where it looked like a spoon full of white Jello.
Everybody relaxed, and Larry and I experienced afterglow.
We cleaned up. Got dressed and had ice cream.
I saw Larry one last time.
The camp had an "End of Summer Party", and invited all staff to bring a local friend.
Mom invited Larry and his mom.
We had fun, played tennis and shot arrows.
When it was over, and everybody leaving, Larry gave me a big hug, and whispered a thank you in my ear.
With all we had done, that was the only time we actually hugged each other.
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Sharron to Mary
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Date Posted: 16:32:23 11/13/20 Fri

So yes.
I did get to see him ejaculate.
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Date Posted: 17:16:06 11/13/20 Fri

I told here already about my methods of raising in family. If it's interesting for you, I'm repeating my text.
My boys are 16 and 18 (almost 19) now. Daughter is 15 but she is more responsible and sometimes much more smarter then older brothers. If boy deserve punishment, according to our rules it's traditional barebottomed spanking in front family. Culprit boy gets lying face down on ottoman - we name it "spanking bench" - with legs on both side of ottoman and pillow under hips. In this position bottom is elevated enough and buttocks are spread enough for clenching prevention. Since starting boys' puberty - for both it was about 12 - I wash their behinds before spanking. This procedure increases sensitivity of punishment because my hairbrush works more painful on wet bottom and, other side, decreases "boyish smell", which is usual (an natural) in their age. Earlier, when any from boys got punishment, daughter's duty was bring 2 wet towels - one for bottom moistening and second for wiping tears and snots after spanking. About an year ago I decided Lizzy is old enough for increasing her help to me and she can wash brothers' bottoms herself, of course, for beginning, under my supervision. The first time, when I offer her do it, she was dissatisfied - "Mommy, why I ought to wipe boyish dirty behinds?".
I explained her and boys that they are her brothers and she is old enough for assistance to mother in care for brothers. Moreover, in future she will have own children and now she gets lessons and experience for future. Of course, boys protested, especially, Teddy, elder, - "Mom, Lizzy is child only, she can't wipe me!" I explained that, really, she is younger but she is smarter and never do such foolish and stupid acts as both boys. She representative me and carry out my orders. Now, Lizzy is very proud of my trust and, when any from boys ought to get my punishment and is lying on ottoman with bottom up, Lizzy moisten his buttocks by wet towel and thoughtfully wipes his crack. If bottom wasn't clean enough - it happens sometimes with both boys, especially, Tommy, younger, - Lizzy scolds them that big boys have to clean own bottoms after pooping better.
I can see boys' ears become red almost the same as will their behinds very soon.
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Bradley to Curious
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Date Posted: 17:33:11 11/13/20 Fri

There were both male and female counselors who would watch the latrine at busy times. The girls were mostly local highschool girls, or daughters of camp staff.
Just inside the latrine door was a stool, like a bar stool.
Who ever had that duty would usually just sit on that stool. From there he or she could see the whole area, not all that large, anyway, and see out the screen door at the lime of waiting boys.
If he or she saw that a boy was finishing his pee, or if she saw a boy getting ready to wipe his bit, she would push the door open and hold up one or two fingers. The next guys in line would hold up fingers for what they had to do and she would usher that person in to the latrine and point to the opening space.
It was simple, but it worked.
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Tom
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Date Posted: 17:59:07 11/13/20 Fri

Does anybody remember those green or white round oder cakes they used to drop into the gutters of the latrines.
We called them "targets".
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Curious to Bradley
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Date Posted: 00:57:58 11/14/20 Sat

Was the girl counselor in full view of the boys penises while they peed or did she sit at a discreet angle at the back of the boys?

Also the boys waiting in line to pee or poop were they wearing normal clothes or just underpants, like when they were woken up in the morning when all boys would want to pee?

How old were the boys that the girl counselors could see peeing, was it just the younger boys or also the older ones?
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Bradley to Curious
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Date Posted: 02:00:40 11/14/20 Sat

Who ever sat on that stool could see petty much down the full length of the urinal trough, so she could tell when a boy was finishing his pee. She also had an angled, full front view of the boys sitting on the far side toilet box, and was closest to the same side three boys sitting on the toilet box next to the stool.
Most of the boys would be dressed in the camp shorts.
They wore gray sweatsuits on cooler days.
The campers were from 10 to 15.
There were both male and female staff who had that duty.
They were not there all day, just the busy times.
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Derek to Sharron
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Date Posted: 19:56:14 11/13/20 Fri

Sharron, your and Larry's mothers did very smart decision then. Which is your opinion now - was it right for both, you and Larry?
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Sharron to Derek
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Date Posted: 23:51:47 11/13/20 Fri

Yes. I remember it as a very good experience. I felt safe, secure and loved.
Our moms worked at making us feel good, and feel good about ourselves.
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Derek to Sharron
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Date Posted: 00:58:38 11/14/20 Sat

I sure this day was more useful for your (and Larry's) education than any school lessons.
Do you know who from moms - your or Larry's - was author of such excellent idea?
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Sharron to Derek
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Date Posted: 01:36:02 11/14/20 Sat

That's something we'll never know.
Everything took place at Larry's house, and his mom sort of lead the sessions, but my mom was an active and supporting participant, even showing me the best way to hold Larry's penis as I mastubated him. I think, Larry and his mom must have talked about it a lot, between our two sessions, because he was so much more at ease, even anxious for the second time.
When I came out of the powder room and he was sitting next to his mom, he was already excited. And when he got up and took of his terry robe, we all could see that his penis was fully erect and he was happy, not nervous, like the first time.
What do you think?
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Author:
Paul
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Date Posted: 02:26:42 11/14/20 Sat

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at either, or better yet, both of those "sessions".
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Derek to Sharron
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Date Posted: 04:17:16 11/14/20 Sat

Boys at 14 has erection very easy (I remember myself) especially when he and girl are standing naked in front each other.
In general you are lucky kids and such lesson with loving moms was one of important days your life, I sure.
Am I right?
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Sharron to Derek
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Date Posted: 04:33:39 11/14/20 Sat

Yes,
They were exciting, wonderful days, because they were in the context of
loving, supportive and safe family circles.
I value those loving memories.
Yes, thank you for sharing.
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Curious
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Date Posted: 13:22:24 11/14/20 Sat

Such a situation of two moms deciding to put their 14 year old son and daughter respectively in front of each other naked and encouraged to touch each other's sexual parts is probably very rare.

This would probably happen more likely in secret between the boy and the girl and not in front of parents.

Also, although there is no doubt that a 14 year old boy would immediately erect in front of a naked girl his own age, it may be different if there were two moms present when the boy would feel nervous about it and may not erect so easily.

I think this subject should be on a new separate thread, this thread about camps is getting too long anyway.
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Jen to Sharron
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Date Posted: 15:50:45 11/14/20 Sat

I had a similar experience, although not as extensive.
It was my mom and her sister, my aunt, me and my cousin.
I was 12 and he was 13.
It involved looking and touching.
There was no masturbation.
His penis did get erect.
Both of our moms were there the whole time.
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Fred to Jem
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Date Posted: 21:41:31 11/14/20 Sat

Jen can you share any more details of your experience with your 13 year old cousin?
Where were you? Who all was there.
You said there was touching and looking. To what extent?
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Jen to Fred
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Date Posted: 22:53:30 11/14/20 Sat

We were at their house. In his bedroom.
Me, Richie, my Mom and Richie's Mom, my Mom's sister.
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Stella to Jen
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Date Posted: 23:59:25 11/14/20 Sat

Very right and smart mothers' decision
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Jen to Stella
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Date Posted: 01:13:18 11/15/20 Sun

I think so too.
I am very glad for their decision.
For me it gave me a world of information about a boy's body.
I was still a young girl.
Flat chest, no pubic hair, no periods.
For Richie I think it was both informative and also very sexually stimulating.
I am proud of both my aunt and my Mom for doing and explaining it all.
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Factchecker
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Date Posted: 07:08:44 11/15/20 Sun

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Fred to Jen
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Date Posted: 15:30:58 11/15/20 Sun

Jen
How do you "break the ice" in a session like that?
Wouldn't there be a lot of tension, on the adults as well as the kids?
Were you sitting around, standing, on the floor. Who goes first?
I would have been very nervous.
Did you and Richie know what you all were going to do?
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Jen
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Date Posted: 18:10:35 11/15/20 Sun

We started just talking. Mom and me sitting on Richies lower bunk bed, and he and his Mom on a cedar chest across from us.
Richie showed his model airplanes he was building.
Our moms talked about them growing up. There were funny stories. We all got very relaxed.
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Maria to Jen
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Date Posted: 23:41:01 11/15/20 Sun

All of that is great, and I could do that very easily. My son has HO trains all around his bedroom, but at some point it has to get serious.
I would love to do this for him before he gets much older.
He is in 8th grade now. I shampooed and trimmed his hair recently, while he was in the tub, and I could easily see that he is getting developed, down there.
He has asked questions about girls that leads me to think that his friends are talking about it.
Any and all suggestions, from anybody would be appreciated.


I think it is time.
How did you and your sister make that move?
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Curious
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Date Posted: 00:31:52 11/16/20 Mon

I find this a bit weird.
Surely a 14 year old boy today would know everything about girls and sex from the internet just by turning his computer on.
On the other hand having a direct contact with a same age girl would be the ultimate sex education for both, bar intercourse.
But I am staying neutral on this because it may have some benefit to some kids.
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Factchecker
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Date Posted: 04:03:40 11/18/20 Wed

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Dr. Phil
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Date Posted: 14:20:09 11/24/20 Tue

Factchecker. Did you have mommy issues? Did she abuse you sexually. Your behavior strongly suggests that you were abused.
Your constant denials of situations never happening and quick judgements that everyone is a pedophile points out you need to tell someone about what happened to you Some call it a "tattler's trait" where you are pointing out issues that are unsettled deep in side you believing that things like this could never happen.
Lashing out at others who are correctly dealing with shameful or embarrassing issues like your own points directly to the denial you constantly express. Your attempts to prove that things like this never really happened is your minds way to escape the reality of what really happened to you!
You need to face up to this and get it out in the open as many on this site have already done. It is healthy to explain to yourself, and others as well, what truly happened in your childhood so your mind can finally heal!
Please seek professional help with this as it doesn't look like you can see your problem(s). This could cause issues in your personal, professional and sexual life and could easily be fixed by simply opening up. It is called "Association Denial" where your mind cannot cope with the possibility of this happening to you so you simply lash out towards others who suffer from a similar condition.
SERIOUSLY, PLEASE SEEK HELP!
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"Boise"
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Date Posted: 14:32:03 11/24/20 Tue

Damn, Dr. Phil, you are spot on with Factchecker! That's amazing! I really couldn't figure out what his problem was and why he keeps posting on this sight. He absolutely hates what everyone writes but continues to troll the sight. You hit the nail right on the head!
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Heather
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Date Posted: 15:05:20 11/24/20 Tue

Sounds about right Dr. Phil. The guy definatly has some issues. There is something wrong with him upstairs if you know what I mean!
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Sydney
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Date Posted: 02:22:08 11/25/20 Wed

LOL, is Dr. Phil for real. It is so funny if what he says is true! Factchecker is really out there, but if he was abused as a boy that would make a lot of sense.
That's why he always tries to deny that these things really never happened! Pure denial, he doesn't want to hear others talking about what they went thru!
Never would I have guessed he was troubled by his past, sexually I mean. You know, like Dr. Phil said, with his mother!
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Gina
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Date Posted: 13:37:25 11/25/20 Wed

In all honesty, that is sad. No child should ever be put thru that kind of abuse by his mother.
Even though many things point to this as being his problem I hope that is not the case. But it does answer many questions about his behavior!
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Herrington
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Date Posted: 14:46:12 11/25/20 Wed

Screw Factchecker! He has made each and everyone of us miserable by taking almost every topic on this site off topic! He is nothing but a troll that wants attention. Screw him!
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Factchecker
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Date Posted: 06:36:00 11/15/20 Sun

If true, your parents and the boys parents should have been thrown in jail.
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Derek to Curious
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Date Posted: 15:53:08 11/14/20 Sat

"...This would probably happen more likely in secret between the boy and the girl and not in front of parents..."

I sure almost each teen (and even preteen) had it in his/her life (with me it happened too) but difficult imagine this situation (specially education) in mothers presence. Nevertheless some mothers in families where children don't have siblings opposite gender can do so. It isn't bad and acceptable if children are agree
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Christopher to Sharron, Derek, Curious...
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Date Posted: 16:41:51 11/14/20 Sat

I can recall one summer afternoon when I was 14 year old and I got into trouble while my mom's best friend Kate and her 10-11 year old daughter Sandra were visiting. Much to my dismay, mom started to unbutton my pants for a spanking right there in the kitchen in front of Kate and Sandra.
My mom turned to Kate and said "I hope you don't mind seeing Chris get spanked. I feel it will do him a lot more good if you and Sandra witness it rather than me taking him to the bathroom to do it."
Kate replied, "Oh that's fine. I will give Sandra a chance to see what a boy looks like."
I could only look straight at the floor as my pants and shorts were lowered to my ankles and mom started to lecture me while I was bare from the waist down. Finally, she took me over her lap for a long hard spanking with her hairbrush. Sandra stood near my mom and I knew she could see all my "boyish secrets" while I was squirming. Years later as I loook back at that day, I am reasonbaly certain that afternoon's events had been planned.
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Herbert
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Date Posted: 16:41:23 11/15/20 Sun

We I was in grad school, I worked as a summer school English teacher at a boys camp in Maryland.
One evening, rather late, I went to get something from my car. On the way back, I passed the boys latrine, and needing to pee, I went to the door to go in.
The lights were on inside, and I could see back to the shower room, a large open room with multiple shower heads, in the rear.
There were two campers in the showers. I recognized both.
One was about 13, and the other 15.
Both of them were fully erect and masturbating.Like another has said, since I didn't know what to do, I did nothing and just watched.
I wasn't long until both boys experienced orgasm.
I saw both of them the next day, but said nothing.
What do you all think I should have done, or what would you havs done in that situation.
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Manuel
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Date Posted: 17:15:04 11/15/20 Sun

i never experienced anything like that when i was a youth or as an adult.

what would I have done? probably the same.

on one hand, just don't move a muscle so I wouldn't embarrass them.

you can't really say anything. i wouldn't want to be the source of body shame or embarrassment. that would be wrong as my parents taught me not to be ashamed and said i could masturbate without any shame or embarrassment. why should I do that to someone else.

i would just pee and get out and not say anything. if they ask me about it later, I would give them my opinion of which that would be what i just mentioned.

if they never bring it up, neither will i.
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Herbert to Manuel
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Date Posted: 17:20:50 11/15/20 Sun

THanks for your response.
I didn't go in.
I peed against a tree outside.
The younger boy was actually one of my English Lit remedial students.
They never knew I was there.
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Barton to Herbert
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Date Posted: 19:19:41 11/15/20 Sun

You all did right - boys acts was natural in such age (13-15)
and you didn't trouble them. In this age all boys make so.
Herbert, I sure in teen age you masturbated too and could understand boys. Am I right?
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Lori to Herbert
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Date Posted: 22:45:05 11/15/20 Sun

I think you did the right thing.
If you had gone in, they would have known that you saw them masturbating, and even if you simply used the toilet and left, they would have been embarrassed.
I can't see me. ever in that situation, having no reason to go up to the door of the boy's bathroom. But, I think, yes, I would have watched, if I was sure they could not see me, more out of curiosity, and I would never have said anything to anybody.
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Herbert to Lori
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Date Posted: 01:30:32 11/16/20 Mon

Thank you for responding.
I will say honestly, it was sexually arousing to see the two boys doing that.
Yes, when I got back to my room in the counsellors cabin, I did mastirbate, and orgasm.
Please understand.
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Herbert to Barton
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Date Posted: 02:23:39 11/16/20 Mon

i did. I suspect you did too.
am I right?
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Herbert \
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Date Posted: 02:41:56 11/16/20 Mon

Yes i did.
There was a lot of sexual activity back then.
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Barton to Herbert
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Date Posted: 19:07:43 11/16/20 Mon

All boys did so despite of any punishments from parents, counselors etc
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Heather
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Date Posted: 15:06:11 11/16/20 Mon

I was an activities director for a girls camp and we decided to have a boys camp join us for a 4th of July pic-nik lakeside. It was a surprise when the boys arived and their director had all the boys strip nude and put their clothes in grocery bags with their names on them.
It was a treat for the girls as 30 some nude boys totally exposed themselves to the girls. Penises were everywhere you looked and for many of the girls, it was their first time seeing a nude boy.
It was very obvious that some boys were embarrassed by their exposure to the girls and those boys stayed erect for the better part of the pic-nik. Some were fully erect as they played kickball and volleyball! There were photos taken where the nude boys posed with girls, some with erect penises. I particularly remember one photo with 3 boys and 2 girls where the girls held hot dogs to their crotch area mocking the nude boys who stood with erect penises!
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Helen to Heather
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Date Posted: 16:56:33 11/16/20 Mon

Heather, what were the ages of the boys who swam naked?
Were they both pre puberty and puberty?
I would have been full of questions.
What did they say after the boys left?
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Heather
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Date Posted: 14:54:26 11/24/20 Tue

Helen, sorry for not posting back sooner, I got tied up at work with a year end project that needed to be reviewed by 11/20/20.
The boys showed mixed signs of excitement and embarrassment. They obviously knew they were exposed to girls and the girls made no effort to hide their interests in seeing the boys bodies!
The boys were Junior High aged, 11 to maybe 14. Maybe a few were into the beginnings of puberty as their penises were bigger than the other boys and some pubes were showing. It was a mixture of both pre puberty and puberty.
There were some very interesting campfire stories about erections and circumcisions after our cookout. Many girls said that was the first time they saw a penis or an erection and they were facinated by the differences between boys and girls.
You were correct, there were hundreds of questions about their penises,foreskins, testicles and erections.
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George to Herbert
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Date Posted: 23:00:35 11/15/20 Sun

What was it like the next day, sitting with that 13 year old boy, discussing "Ivanhoe", or something like that, knowing that less than 12 hours ago you had watched him masturbating and shooting off in the shower?
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Thomas to Jen
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Date Posted: 17:22:59 11/16/20 Mon

I was "presented" to the two daughters of my mom's best friend just after my 13th birthday.
The details were very similar to what the other posters have said, but we did not have a BBQ or play games, and that sort of stuff.
I always thought that I was the only one who had experienced that.
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Jen to Thomas
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Date Posted: 17:44:50 11/16/20 Mon

Hi Thomas
Can you at least tell us where it took place, and who all were there.
Were the two girls also "presented" to you?
Thanks for sharing.
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Thomas to Jen
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Date Posted: 18:18:30 11/16/20 Mon

It was at our house, in my bedroom.
It was me, my mom, the two girls and their mom.
Yes, they saw me naked, and I saw them naked.
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Tina to Jen and Thomas
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Date Posted: 19:17:39 11/16/20 Mon

It happened with me too when I and son of mom's friend were "presented" (thank, Thomas) one to other. I was 12 (almost 13) and Jeff was 14. It was in my bedroom with both us and both moms. Moms gave us full bath each (separately) before and then we were allowed to "learn" one other under moms supervising.
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Helen to Tina
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Date Posted: 19:48:33 11/16/20 Mon

Tina: How far were you into puberty, if at all?
How far was he?
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Tina to Helen
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Date Posted: 20:26:43 11/16/20 Mon

We both were in beginning, but his pubic patch was little more than mine and my breasts were minimal still. We both were amazed when moms permitted to touch everything and everywhere. It was amazing and nice day.
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Helen to Tina
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Date Posted: 21:13:24 11/16/20 Mon

Did you just fumble around with each other, or did one or both Moms encourage each of you to touch and explore?
Was his penis erect from the start or did you get to see him erecting.
At some point, did you get to see him ejaculate.
Thank you.
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Tina to Helena
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Date Posted: 21:27:19 11/16/20 Mon

We both had towels around (after bath) and both moms took of them very gently and we both were in our "birthday suits" one in front other. I recall we both covered our "fronts" but one of mom told - children don't embarrass - and encourage us. Yes, erection was and I could touch his penis but wasn't ejaculation. His mom explained me about erection, my mom explained him about my anatomy. We both were in diaper position in front each other when moms explained but we both (at least me) felt love and safeness in mothers presence. It was great day.
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Jen to Thomas
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Date Posted: 23:38:39 11/16/20 Mon

Hi Thomas,
We never got to hear any details about your session with two girls.
You said you were all naked.
But what was the extent of your contact.
Were both girls involved?
How much did you moms involve themselves with your activities with the girls?
Hope to hear from you.
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Thomas to Jen
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Date Posted: 14:21:00 11/17/20 Tue

Jen all this was a long time ago.
We were all in my bedroom.
I had a white bath towel and my underwear, white cotton briefs,
My mom thought I was naked under the towel.
The girls and their mom came in and their mom sat on my desk chair. The girls sat on the floor beside her. They were wearing robs.
I was very, very nervous.
There was small talk, but then my mom told me to stand up and as I did, she tugged the towel and it fell to the floor. That's when she saw I had on my underpants.
She turned me around gacing her, hooked her thumbs under the elastic band and pulled my underpants down to the floor.
She put her hands on my hips and turned me around to face the girls and their mom.
That's why i said i was presented.
There was dead quiet for a moment while the girls and their mom just looked at me standing there naked.
Then their mom said that I looked very nice.
That broke the tension, my mom hugged me. I know she could feel me shaking. and everything just went on from there, pretty much as others have described.
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Jen to Thomas
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Date Posted: 15:32:46 11/17/20 Tue

Thanks Thomas
Can you a least tell us how old the girls were?
Older than you, younger?
Did you know them before this event?
Were you erect when your mom pulled down yout briefs?
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Thomas to Jen
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Date Posted: 16:00:55 11/17/20 Tue

One girl was the same age as me, but more developed.
I knew her from visiting at her house, and we had classes together at school. We saw each other everyday.
Her sister was 10 or 11.
She was flat chest, no pubic hair.
No, I was not erect when she pulled down my briefs.
I was terrified. Really nervous.
I did become erect later.
Everybody saw that happening.
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Author:
Rita (and Jim)
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Date Posted: 18:03:49 11/17/20 Tue

On a weekend morning, not long before our son's 14th birthday, I went to his room to call him for breakfast.
His bedroom door was slightly open, so in stead of knocking, I looked through.
He was on his bed, on his back.
He had a headset earphones plugged into a boombox. He was wearing, for ps's a lightweight gray sweatsuit.
The sweatsuit bottoms were pushed down almost to his knees.
He was actively masturbating with his eyes closed.
My husband was coming out of the bathroom, and I waved to him to quietly come over.
We both look through the crack of the slightly open door.
I don't know how long we watched, but he suddenly pulled up his sheat shirt and started to ejaculate.
There wasn't much, just a few squirts.
My husband went down stairs, and I loudly knocked on hid door announcing breakfast.
He came down a few minutes later.
He was still flushed, from his orgasm, and there were wet spots on his sweatpants.
We all acted like nothing had ever happened.
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Author:
MaryT to Rita (and Jim)
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Date Posted: 01:02:54 11/18/20 Wed

That was a loving and very proper way to handle that event.
I walked in on my son one time while he also was on the bed with his shorts down and masturbating.
He jumped a mile and was visibly upset. I sat down on the bed with him and calmly told him how mush I loved him and wanted him to enjoy being a boy.
I know he was uncomfortable, and I gathered the courage to tell him it was OK to finish, so he did not get pains.
With my encouragement, he did it to completion, while I sat with him, praised him, and encouraged him.
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Susan to Rita (and Jim)
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Date Posted: 01:13:49 11/18/20 Wed

You are excellent and very smart loving parents. Your son has big happiness to have such Mommy and Daddy.
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Susan to Rita (and Jim)
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Date Posted: 01:17:18 11/18/20 Wed

You are excellent and very smart loving parents. Your son has big happiness to have such Mommy and Daddy.
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Rita (and Jim)
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Date Posted: 19:38:30 11/18/20 Wed

Thank you Susan:
We are a close and loving family.
And, we are proud of our son, and his development into adolescence.
Both physically, and emotionally.
It was beautiful watching him masturbate, feeling secure and loved.
Thank you, again.
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Factchecker
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Date Posted: 04:19:55 11/20/20 Fri

And no mother would want to watch her son do that.

You're sick.
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Date Posted: 04:10:12 11/18/20 Wed

And that's what most of you are. You're pedohpiles. No normal person hears a story about abuse and replies without condemning the abuse.
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Date Posted: 11:53:44 11/19/20 Thu

To be a pedophile Factchecker you nameless coward, you have to actually 'do the crime'. So fuck off idiot. All these accounts occurred decades ago, there is no point getting all upset about them now. Don't also forget that many accounts are made up. Hell, I am only 18, how come you don't get that? Or are you still here because, you yourself were abused growing up I wonder? If so, get over it & move on.

You said you were going to leave this forum many weeks ago, why haven't you? You serve no purpose here.
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Date Posted: 03:52:32 11/20/20 Fri

Abuse is abuse. It doesn't matter how much times passes. There are old men who were sexually abused as boys when they were in the boy scouts. By your idiotic way of thinking, they shouldn't be upset over it, because it was a long time ago. Any old women who were raped as young girls should also just get over it, right? It was a long time ago.


No one other than pedophiles would react positively to stories about kids being sexually abused.
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to idiot Factchecker
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Date Posted: 16:05:48 11/19/20 Thu

Your attacks on other posters is not welcome here.
We know you don't like this subject because you hate women and is scared of them seeing your peepee.

So go back to your gay forums.
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Factchecker's (Tiki's) aunt
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Date Posted: 16:17:21 11/19/20 Thu

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Tiki's aunt
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Date Posted: 16:35:03 11/19/20 Thu

I had to spank him to stop him posting his idiocy here last year.
http://www.voy.com/223876/4309.html

Now he is posting as the idiotic Factchecker. He has never been out of the house so he doesn't believe what others say since only I and his sister has seen him naked. He prefers boys and men to girls and women.
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Jon
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Date Posted: 17:24:51 11/19/20 Thu

I attended summer camp when I was 12, 13, and 14.
We had nice cabins, with about 12 boys in each cabin.
The cabins were "tribes" and had both younger and older boys in together.
Each cabin had its own group bathroom, with sinks, flush toilets, but no dividers, and a gang shower room.
It was there that I first ever saw a boy with pubic hair.
There was a lot of sexual fooling around and showing off.
I resisted and avoided at first, but soon participated and enjoyed joining in, because everybody else was, and in that kind of situation, you don't want to be an outcast.
Has anyone else had that experience?
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DonaldK to Jon
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Date Posted: 17:37:15 11/19/20 Thu

Jon,
Can you give me an idea what kind of sexual fooling around took place?
Have ant other readers had that ecperience?
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Terry
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Date Posted: 02:30:22 11/20/20 Fri

My first summer camp was a series of other firsts, over a two week period.
I was a young 13, only son of very middle class, good living parents.
Camp was my first time I saw same age and older boys naked.
My first communal showers with other boys.
My first shared toilet experiences. Sitting, not just standing at a urinal, like at school.
My first experience seeing other boys, young and older, masturbating themselves and others.
My first masturbation experience. Full contractions and sensations, no spurting, self generated.
Mt first masturbation experience. Full contractions and sensations, at the hands of other boys, my age and older.
My first observation of ejactulations.
My first experiences with oral sex, both giving and receiving.
Selection, with another boy, as a judge of a Jerk Off race competition between five other boys.
I held the trophy money: $5.00.
Boys sat on foot lockers. A length of brown construction paper was put down on the floor in front of them.
When my partner "official" said to go, they began masturbating. I didn't take long before one boy got up from his footlocker and went down on his knees over the paper and began to shoot off.
He was clearly the winner.
Then is seemed like the other four boys all got down at the same time.
I'm still glad that one boy finished first, because I could not say which boy finished next.
It was my first look at 8mm black and white porno film reels. One of the guys had six of them.
He would load them into a plastic, hand held viewer that you held to the light, and turned a hand crank on the side.
The films were poor quality, but showed guys and girls fucking.
It took two hands. One to hold the viewer, and one to turn the crank. Another camper held a flashlight up to the white plastic screen so you could see the film.
You then rewound the reel and held the light for him.
It didn't happen to me, but some of the guys actually came in their pants, watching those reels.
I remember all of those experiences.
I went for three summers.
It was fun to be an "older" guy the next two summers.
Oh yea, we also had swimming, with suits, sports - a lot of them, crafts, rifle range and nightly campfires.
I don't remember a lot about all that stuff.
Could not happen today.
Or could it?
What do you all think?
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Sam to Terry
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Date Posted: 03:07:48 11/20/20 Fri

Are you saying that all this went on with the counselors blessing since it was all open, and did they also join you in the fun?

This would never have happened at our summer camp, although mutual masturbation was common among us young boys but always in secret.
Yes, it was a time of exploring and making discoveries, not just in the woods but also among ourselves. But like I said it was always done out of sight of our counselors.
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Terry to Sam
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Date Posted: 03:53:36 11/20/20 Fri

Never in sight or sound of any staff.
The closest encounter we had happened when one of the kitchen staff, a female, had bed check. This was after campfire.
Usually, it was one of the guy staff who just came by, looked in and asked if everybody was there.
We always said yes.
If he said what about that bunk or another, we would just say "Bathroom or shower". and he would go on.
This lady opened the door, had a clipboard and a spotlight.
She asked where so and so were, and we said the usual.
She came in, walked back to the toilet/shower room and came in.
I was on owne of the toilets.
We all yelled "Get out", but she walked right by me and another kid, sitting on the toilet, to look into the shower.
There were some both the older and younger guys in there and she started checking off names.
The guys yelled at her to get out, and some of the older guys used profane language.
Me and my fellow camper, on the toilets, crossed our arms over our laps.
She checked off her list and left.
The next day, we were all called down to GHQ, the camp directors office.
She was there, and the Director yelled at us for being rude to her, and using bad and curse word language at her.
We got "extra duty", cleaning trash cans in the dining hall, and stuff like that.
She quit not long after.
Every day, during morning crafts, the first period of activities after breakfast, each cabin was inspected by the staff.
Your cabin would be awarded a gold, red or yellow eagle, that would be attached to the "Totem Pole" outside your cabin.
That had to do with camp chore assignments, under direction of the groundskeeper.
Bathrooms and showers were cleaned by campers, with stuff supplied by staff, before we went to activities.
Other than that, adult staff did not enter or associate with campers in the cabins.
Short answer: No staff were involved with any sexual stuff, at least while I was there for three two week summers.
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Jamie to Terry
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Date Posted: 05:03:34 11/20/20 Fri

I won one of those races in 1956.
The other guy was from another cabin, and they boasted he could beat any body.
Our treasure pot was only 2 dollars, held by a tent mate.
I won.
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Chuck to Jamie
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Date Posted: 17:22:47 11/20/20 Fri

I wish I had two dollars for every time I jerked off, back then.
I could have retired early.
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Terry to Jamie
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Date Posted: 15:19:03 11/20/20 Fri

Jamie,
Where did you do the jerk off races.
In the bathroom,outside, or in the sleeping area.
How many campers were usually present?
How old were you?
Can you give us more of the details of your races?
Thanks
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Simon to Terry
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Date Posted: 19:05:10 11/20/20 Fri

Terry, I see, at your 13, in Summer Camp, you opened for yourself "new boyish world". Were you more admired or upset
then? Was something very abominable for you?
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Terry to Simon
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Date Posted: 19:28:05 11/20/20 Fri

Nothing abominable for me at all.
New campers were assigned an older cabin mate as a sort of "Big Brother".
My big brother guided me through the first few days.
He was the first other person to show me how to masturbate, and the first other person to masturbate me.
In my third camping year, I was assigned a "Little Brother".
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Donna
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Date Posted: 14:36:26 11/21/20 Sat

Is Terry's story typical of boys experiences at summer camps?
Has anyone else had those type of experiences?
Or were they unique to him and his particular camp?
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Timothy to Donna
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Date Posted: 15:24:35 11/21/20 Sat

I was in Summer camps 3 times - when I was 13, 14, 15.
I had almost the same experience and most part of Terry's memories was in my life then too
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Frank to Dinna
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Date Posted: 16:14:01 11/21/20 Sat

I went to a boys camp when I was 14. Things were pretty much as Terry said, except I don't remember any oral sex/ I didn't see ant or do any.
Everything else he said is accurate.
Some guys did race each other to see who could cum first, but there was no money bets.
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Donna to Frank
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Date Posted: 17:07:01 11/21/20 Sat

Frank, How old were the boys in your tent/cabin. were they all about your age, or were there younger and older in together?
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Frank to Danna
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Date Posted: 17:13:50 11/21/20 Sat

I think we were 12 - 14.
They were cabins with bathrooms and showers.
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Curious to naughty campers
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Date Posted: 17:42:38 11/21/20 Sat

Were the younger boys of 12 also involved in this sexual play with older boys?

Were any of the HS and college age counsellors ever involved in this sexual play with the boy campers?

When the boys were caught in this sexual play were they punished by the counsellors?

Did this ever happen with boys who had female counsellors?
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Frank to Curious
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Date Posted: 17:58:25 11/21/20 Sat

All boys were involved at some time. Maybe just looking and watching at first, then touching and allowing themselves to be touched.
All cabin counselors were older males. None of them were involved in any of the sexual activities, that I knew of.
Nobody, at least in our cabin, were ever "caught" or punished for ant sexual play.
It wasn't like that was the only thing going on.
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Date Posted: 19:01:22 11/21/20 Sat

I was in Summer camp the first times at 13. I was very shy boy boy then and in beginning was very embarrassed to poop in front other boys and even take shower with them. However, older boys forbid other to tease me and after a few days I almost lost my shyness and was as all. I was taught to masturbate and some other "boyish matters". It was important time for my development.
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Frank to Peter
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Date Posted: 19:08:51 11/21/20 Sat

Peter, who taught or showed you how to masturbate?
Did you ejaculate the first time, and was it in bed, in the showers, with a group, or just another camper.
Please share.
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Peter
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Date Posted: 19:56:08 11/21/20 Sat

Two from older boys taught me. They showed me as can do it, then one of them did it to other. Both ejaculated but when I tried do myself I got a little drips only. One of boys took my penis and worked until I was ejaculated too. I recall, I had mix feeling embarrassment/ fun/ agitation/pleasure...
It was first times when someone (except mom ) touched my penis. Boys weren't rude and I understood they want to help me and teach me really.
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Johnny to Peter
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Date Posted: 20:42:43 11/21/20 Sat

My embarrassment was not from guys seeing me with a boner, but was sitting on the toilet, between two other guys pooping.
Everybody just talking and looking at each other like they were at the dinner table.
Sooner or later, somebody would ask to
Please pass the toilet paper, and everyone watched as you wiped your ass.
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Peter to Johnny
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Date Posted: 21:53:14 11/21/20 Sat

You are right. The firsts days in Summer camp I was very embarrassed when had to poop together with other boys. We had toilet with six holes without any barriers and each morning (it was part of morning hygiene) six boy were sitting and trying to poop and next six were standing in front them waiting their turn. Wiping in front such big company was most embarrassing for me
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Donna to Peter
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Date Posted: 22:59:27 11/21/20 Sat

If a boy just had to pee, did he still have to stand in line for one of the holes?
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Peter to Donna
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Date Posted: 23:22:17 11/21/20 Sat

We had linear urinal on the floor along wall and could to pee there, however our counselors told each boy ought to try to have #2 in morning ( my mom considered so too and it wasn't new for me) and each boy in morning had to sit over "poop hole" near other boys.
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Donna to Peter
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Date Posted: 23:27:04 11/21/20 Sat

Were all of the counselors male, or were there some female counselors at the latrine in the morning?
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Peter do Donna
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Date Posted: 23:35:56 11/21/20 Sat

They were male in age 20-30
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Frank to Peter and Donna
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Date Posted: 23:54:37 11/21/20 Sat

Our counselors were mostly teachers, who had the summer off, or grad students doing a paper. Some lived off campus, or in small trailers on campus.
Others lived in a counselors cabin, with their own room, private bathrooms and showers, and TV. Black and white, rabbit ears and only got a signal at night.
No counselors lived in any of the camper cabins, so there was lots of opportunity for boy/boy play stuff.
Counselors had a separate section, off of the main dining hall. but went through the same buffet line.
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Peter to Frank
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Date Posted: 00:09:29 11/22/20 Sun

Yes, night was "boys time". Nobody troubled us and all plays (without big noisy only) among boys were acceptable for us - innocent and, if honestly, for older boys non-innocent too
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Larry to Terry
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Date Posted: 00:38:56 11/22/20 Sun

I enjoyed your listing of "Camping firsts".
We didn't use brown construction paper for a masturbation contest target, we used the red FIRE bucket that was filled with sand.
It was set on the floor, and the guys racing would jerk off into the bucket. so everyone could see who shot off first.
Usually one or two of the younger kids were on the floor next to the bucket to score who they saw shot off first raising their hand and pointing to the winner.
Usually, seeing the first boy ejaculate would be enough for the other contestants to start cumming also.
No prize for second or later places.
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Larry to Terry
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Date Posted: 00:42:12 11/22/20 Sun

I did everything on your list except oral sex.
I watched other guys do it though.
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Date Posted: 03:25:27 11/22/20 Sun

It is hard for me to believe that 14 year old boys would openly masturbate in full view of other same age, younger or older boys, let alone ejaculate with other campers watching.
Can anyone else support these reports?
Please.
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William to Susan
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Date Posted: 03:36:20 11/22/20 Sun

Susan, I'm 23 now and believe me, boys at 14-15 when they are out of adults control, can do such experiments which would be reason of deep horror for their mothers. I myself did little more than was in Terry's list, It happened no in caps only but in home, during sleepovers too.
Susan, it isn't good, it isn't bad, it's boys' development
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Susan to William
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Date Posted: 03:54:26 11/22/20 Sun

At what age did you start doing the things in Terry's list.
Are you saying you would openly masturbate with other boys watching you, and they would do the same?
Still hard for me to accept.
Sorry
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Sam to Susan
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Date Posted: 10:11:46 11/22/20 Sun

Susan, you are right. I went to several camps and open masturbation, let alone masturbation competitions as described by some here never happened at the camps I went to or that I knew of.
Yes, there was some masturbation as one would expect with boys but these were always done secretly between maybe two boys if not alone, but not in large groups as described here. Some boys would sleep in each others bed at night to play with each other but again these were few.

I can't imagine such orgies as described here taking place without the counsellors not knowing about it.
The counsellors at camps are responsible for the boys safety and behavior and I would hardly believe that they would not be monitoring the boys all the time.
Fights could break up among the boys, or dangerous play and similar, so they were always kept an eye on, especially when they were in groups, including the shower rooms.
I am not saying that what is described here never happened, but it would have been rare indeed.

About your other question, yes, we had female counsellors up to age 12 and some boys would flaunt themselves in front of the girl counsellors for fun while they supervised us in the showers, but open masturbation would not have been allowed.
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George to Susan
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Date Posted: 14:30:08 11/22/20 Sun

Susan
It happened as Terry described.
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Drew
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Date Posted: 16:19:52 11/22/20 Sun

When I went to camp for first time, I knew nothing about masturbation, Nothing.
By end of week I was masturbating with others.
Could not spurt but enjoyed feelings of orgasm.
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William to Susan
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Date Posted: 16:24:05 11/22/20 Sun

I was 12-14 then, after starting puberty
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Susan to William
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Date Posted: 16:45:46 11/22/20 Sun

Terry's list included a reference to oral genital contact.
Did you ever see that, or did you ever participate in that yourself?

If yes, were they same age, older or younger campers.
Did you do it as well as receive it done to you?
Did others see you doing it?
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George to Susan
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Date Posted: 18:45:13 11/22/20 Sun

When you're a first time camper and living in with other boys for the first time, and seeing other guys touching each other, boldly walking around fully erect, and openly masturbating with other guys watching, it's hard not to join in.
Once you experience the excitement of having other guys looking at your erect penis, and your own pleasurable sensations you get from masturbating, it's easy just to join in.
Watching an older boy, who may just be 14, but more developed, with pubic hair, standing there, openly mutually nasturbating with a couple other guys is very stimulating, especially if you are invited to join them.

if they invite you to join in.
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Jimmy to George and Susan
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Date Posted: 19:22:54 11/22/20 Sun

I think George hit on a valid point.
Acceptance and recognition by other campers, especially the older, if only a year or two older, was very important.
The first year, or younger campers would naturally desire acceptance. That desire would override a resistance to sexual activity, and a boy would surrender to the norm and actively participate.
Once he experienced the pleasurable sensations, he became a willing camp participant.
When he returned to home from camp, he would return to more socially acceptable activity, and sexual activity, such as masturbation, became a more personal and private
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Date Posted: 20:07:00 11/22/20 Sun

I did stuff at camp, like masturbate with other guys, younger and older, walk around naked with my boner pointing at the moon, because everybody else was doing it too.
I would never think about doing those things back in school.
Never.
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Date Posted: 01:11:25 11/23/20 Mon

For boys age about 13 when usually starting puberty is unusual age. I already was embarrassed when mom gave me bath or when she wanted to check cleanliness of my behind after pooping, but I had no any embarrassment among boys after a few days in camp. Yes, we did almost everything and for us (al least, for me) our activity was part of our independence and "male development". It was so.
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Susan to William
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Date Posted: 21:35:50 11/22/20 Sun

I'm still asking about oral sex among campers.
Did you see it?
Did you participate in it?
How old were the participants?
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Date Posted: 03:03:34 11/23/20 Mon

I think oral sex would have been rare among boys that age. Maybe a very few who had homosexual tendencies.
Same for butt sex, which has not been mentioned.
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Larry
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Date Posted: 03:21:18 11/23/20 Mon

I never saw actual oral sex activity.
I don't think anybody did actual anal penetration.
There was a lot of "goosing", poking your finger in another guy's butt, but not into his ass hole.
That took place even while fully clothed.
If there was any oral activity, it was minimal, and probably among the older boys, if at all.
Terry's list remains a standard reference of very typical activity, and I must say, I did them all. (except oral).
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William to Susan and Sam
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Date Posted: 03:11:08 11/23/20 Mon

I never saw oral sex in camp, but were attempts of "butt sex"
more joke than really. The same in home, during sleepover, we had joking attempts of "butt sex" but now really.
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Susan to William
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Date Posted: 03:41:27 11/23/20 Mon

You guys are tired of my questions, but I'm inclined to understand a lot more than before.
William, are you saying that during sleepovers, not at camp, but at home, would sometimes include sexual touching and things like masturbation?
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Sam
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Date Posted: 04:44:51 11/23/20 Mon

Yes, it did happen during sleepovers, especially if we slept in the same bed or when we were alone in our room. But only touching and masturbation.
I think this is normal for boys before teens.
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Susan to all
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Date Posted: 04:54:11 11/23/20 Mon

Thank you guys and gals, all.
I have learned a lot.
My sons are grown and have wonderful families.
I am blessed with wonderful grandchildren.
I hope they all are successful and care for their children
as I have cared for them.
Donna
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Sam to Susan/Donna
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Date Posted: 05:13:17 11/23/20 Mon

Are you saying that you raised up boys and never caught them doing it?
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William to Susan
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Date Posted: 04:09:29 11/23/20 Mon

My best friend and me had sleepovers in our home often enough till HS graduation. Our parents were friends and we were best friends too. Age 14-16 was time our growing and time for some experiments. Of course, parents didn't think about it and we were "little boys" for them still. We liked took shower before sleeping together and parents permitted it without problems. We played one with other, masturbated together and washed bottoms one another with joke protests when soap finger (nothing penis) went into "hole". We liked to share bed, although, each had own, and it was big pleasure for us.
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Susan to William
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Date Posted: 04:16:13 11/23/20 Mon

Thank you William
You said you masturbated together.
Did that include completion with orgasm and ejaculation, or just touching and feeling each others penis?
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William to Susan
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Date Posted: 13:32:03 11/23/20 Mon

Yes, it happened and for us it was normal then
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Christina
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Date Posted: 17:32:07 11/23/20 Mon

Did your sleep naked when share bed with your friend?
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Theodore to Christina
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Date Posted: 17:45:06 11/23/20 Mon

I don't know about William, but when I had sleep overs buddies, we usually wore just underpants to bed.
We would usually start by feeling each other's penis through the underpants, then pulling them down.
Then masturbate each other until we cum.
That was 8th grade, we were 13 - 14.
Did it a lot.
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William to Christine
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Date Posted: 19:03:20 11/23/20 Mon

For parents we were in PJs but soon after mom's "good night, boys" and behind close door we took off them almost always. Be naked in the shared bed was very pleasant and we played together (sometimes till ejaculation). After plays we slept usual in "spoon position" but it was innocent always (never anal penetration by penis)
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Date Posted: 21:52:38 11/23/20 Mon

There was a standard joke in the showers at camp about if you dropped your soap in the showers with other guys, don't bend over to pick it up, or some guy would stick his boner in your ass.
I was careful, that if I dropped my soap, I simply squatted straight down to pick it up.
Anybody else ever hear that wives tale?
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Anna
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Date Posted: 22:06:45 11/23/20 Mon

I have enjoyed reading these reports.
There are several references to "Terry's List", but I don't know what that list includes.
Can anybody help me with that.
Thanks
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Date Posted: 19:34:33 11/24/20 Tue

I have read most of these recollections about boys atsummer camp, and want to add my thoughts.
I went to a very good boys summer camp for three seasons, ages 11, 12 and 13.
All of the after-hours events reported by the previous posters are true.
They don't mention the days full of great activities like swimming (in swimsuits), field games, target shooting, canoe skills, good food and caring staff.
But, after the campfires and the "counselor minute", before they left us alone, things got really intense.
I can remember the first time, sitting on my cot, watching other boys casually walking around, not just naked, but physically aroused, and touching each other.
The surge of sexual excitement was too much to suppress,
and I willingly joined in.
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Date Posted: 20:34:45 11/25/20 Wed

It was the summer that I had just turned 16 and was the first week of summer. I loved summer, the warm weather, later nights, freedom from school; a time to hang with friends, stay up late and do almost anything you wanted. That summer I was a camp counselor at an overnight camp up in the country. It was great, I was getting paid to pretty much spend time outside and having a blast.

I shared a cabin with Willie, who was also 16, but he was two weeks older than I was. I only knew that because he was talking about just getting his driver's license. Anyway, I only knew Willie through camp, we both had been going to this camp since we were 7 years old. This year, we were both camp counselors. I loved having a cabin almost to myself, instead of being forced to share a cabin with 10 other people, like when you're a “camper”.

It was a Saturday morning at the camp, I remember that it was saturday because it was the only day of the week everyone could sleep in an extra hour. However, when Willie was fixing the alarm the night before he made a mistake and let’s just say our alarms didn’t go off. Which sucked, since the Counselors were supposed to be the first ones up to get the campers ready for the day and provide supervision.

We were awaken by Mrs. Keyes, who was the camp director. She was a lady in her late 20’s. Mrs. Keyes slammed medal rod against our bed posts to wake us up in utter panic and shock. Willie and I instantly knew we were in a lot of trouble. Mrs. Keyes looked furious. Steam was practically blowing out of her ears. She ordered us out of our beds (we had bunk beds). There was one problem though. Due to the heat and humidity we both decided to sleep “O-Natural” and were butt naked under our sheets. I froze. I didn’t want to get out of bed naked in front of some woman I barely knew. Willie also froze and Mrs. Keyes patience was wearing thin.

She shouted a second time, repeating her order. Willie tried to explain the situation to her. Mrs. Keyes responded by going up to Willie, who had the bottom bunk, grabbed his ear, and pulled him out of bed. Willie let out a gasp in pain and was now standing, naked in front of her. Her gaze traveled north to me. I knew it was futile and stepped onto the ladder lowering myself to the ground level. Willie and I both cupped our privates with our hands.

After a few minutes exchanging awkward looks, she told us to put our hands behind our head. Once again, we did nothing and stood there frozen in time. She resorted to grabbing ears again, with her fingernails grinding our earlobe. We moved our hands towards our head area, not out of compliance, but rather to try and swat her hands away. She held on until both of our hands were locked behind our heads. To this point, it was the most embarrassed I’ve been. She looked us both over and I will never forget what she said as long as I live: “Looked like we have a shower (looking at Willie) and a little tiny grower (looking at me)”. I just looked down, not wanting to be there anymore, wishing summer was over and I was back in school. Wishing I could be anywhere but in that cabin.

I peaked at Willie, who actually was hung like a horse and he manscaped, shaving all the pubic hair away making it look bigger. It was actually even more embarrassing having him next to be, because it allowed her to make comparisons. After what seemed like an eternity of her comparing our packages, she told us to follow her. Instinctively we both reached down for our briefs on the floor of the cabin, but she stopped us and told us we would be walking butt naked. And yes, we were probably the only teenage boys who still wore briefs at the camp.

After a walk of shame, she eventually led us to the camp meeting area, where all the campers had gathered for the morning meeting. It was dehumanizing. Being led down to center stage in front of campers and counselors alike. Eyes fixated on two naked males. I had never been spanked before in my life, but Mrs. Keyes decided to use Willie and I as a paradigm for what happens when you fail at performing duties. All the campers would learn the lesson. At this camp, you better behave, or else. Mrs. Keyes took control that day. Every person at the camp knew it.

Willie and I stood side-by-side on the stage, butts facing the crowd (Thank-god). She walked up to the Willies side. I have to admit that I actually watched, I didn’t want to (more for the fact I wanted to give him privacy and not stare at that region) but I did. With her right hand she wielded the paddle and her left hand she gripped his penis (teasing it as she spanked), repeating the process with me until we had cherry-red asses and erections. She then had us turn around, facing watchers, in front of both boys and girls. Our faces were as red as our behinds. I could have died from embarrassment that day. That day marked a new regime at Camp Lincoln.
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Date Posted: 20:10:31 11/26/20 Thu

I was in church Summer camps since my 12 till 15. If we violated camp rules, we were spanked but in privacy only - in counselors' cabin. However, if a few boys got spanking - all got together. About "boys' plays" almost all was true
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Date Posted: 03:59:13 11/20/20 Fri

*Yours* meaning posters here in general.

When someone tells a story about being abused, no normal person would reply with "the girls must have really enjoyed that". Normal people reply with things like "how awful" or "I'm sorry that happened to you", or other consolatory things like that.

Instead, you all prove to be pedophiles by responding with glee, and asking for more details to feed your fantasy.
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Date Posted: 10:48:27 11/20/20 Fri

So why are you here then, you cunt of a waste of a space?

Cunts like you should be shot!
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Date Posted: 03:41:30 11/24/20 Tue

Only pedophiles defend stories of abuse.
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Date Posted: 10:38:44 11/20/20 Fri

I am so sorry to disappoint you all, but I am a queer pedophile.

I also think if you have queer thoughts, you are just like me.
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Date Posted: 01:49:17 11/21/20 Sat

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Date Posted: 03:48:10 11/24/20 Tue

It's typical pedophile behavior. You get angry at the derision of you fantasies of child sexual abuse, then after accusations of troll and a few insults here and there, you start posting under the name poster who derided your sick fantasies of child sexual abuse.
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Date Posted: 11:19:40 11/24/20 Tue

You never complain when the stories here are about boys jacking off each other and similar homosexual play between boys.
But you are always complaining when there are girls involved.

We don't need more proof that you are a homosexual pedophile.
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Date Posted: 13:13:39 11/25/20 Wed

It is obvious, you are a waste of pedophile space.

You do not even know the definnation of one cunt. You have to commit the 'crime' b4 you are one cunt.

If I knew you, your balls would be gone you PEDO!
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Date Posted: 01:37:01 11/28/20 Sat

Can somebody please repost or reprint or recite "Terry's List".
I can't find it.
Thank you.
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Date Posted: 15:56:00 11/28/20 Sat

I enjoyed reading the reports of Moms presenting their sons or daughters naked to others.
Have any other readers experienced this, either as a subject or viewer.
As an only daughter, I would have really welcomed a mom presenting her son to me.
Please share your experiences.
THanks
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Olivia to Joanna
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Date Posted: 17:54:35 11/28/20 Sat

Are you agree to present your daughter for the boy too? It would be the best lesson of education for both, indeed?
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Joanna to Olivia
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Date Posted: 18:01:42 11/28/20 Sat

I would have willingly allowed my mom to present me for the boy to see me naked, if I had had a boy presented naked to me.
There were no pictures, books or porn videos then.
The closest I could get were paintings in the museum or holy windows in church.
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Olivia to Joanna
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Date Posted: 18:43:10 11/28/20 Sat

My son was 14 and niece was 13, when I with my sister-in-law decided that together bathing for children would be the best educational program for them. When we told about our decision both cousins had red faces but agreed. They both under our supervision bathed one other and had possibility to touch and see everything. We saw for children it was nice day and they both had enough fun.
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Joanna to Olivia
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Date Posted: 18:49:20 11/28/20 Sat

Did either or both become sexualy stimulated?
At least to the point that you could see that they were sexualy excited?
Had you seen your son with an erect penis before.
Not just as an infant during bath, but since puberty?
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Olivia to Joanna
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Date Posted: 19:30:24 11/28/20 Sat

My son had full erection immediately when both were naked. Girl was amazed but had my permission to touch and wash but she didn't wait that penis began sobbing and Kevin did "shot off". She never saw it. Yes,, I saw it many times because I bathed my son then still and his ejaculations during bathing happened.
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Joanna to Olivia
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Date Posted: 19:54:42 11/28/20 Sat

Kevin was fortunate to have a loving mom who understood the needs of a sexual;y developing boy.
I'm sure he appreciated it a lot.
Did the girl enjoy the bathing session as much as your son.
Did he get to touch her sexually.
How much did your sister in law participate.
Did she get to touch Kevin also.
Did either of them say thank you.
I would have so welcomed that opportunity to see, touch and feel a naked boy when I was that age.
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Anna to Olivia
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Date Posted: 20:51:22 11/28/20 Sat

Just how did you supervise the bathing session with you son and the girl?
Where you and his mom both in the bathroom with them in the tub, or shower?
Just what all did you tell them to do?
Thanks
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Sam
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Date Posted: 20:54:09 11/28/20 Sat

Mothers presenting each other's teen sons and daughters to touch each other sexually was unheard of when I was growing up.
So if it did happen it must have been extremely rare.

However presenting boys to be bathed by teen girls from another family was quite common, although the boys were usually preteen, maybe 11 or 12.
But never the other way round.

The young teen girl who was too young to date boys was given the chance to explore a boy's body in a safe and legitimate way while bathing him.
This was so common that it was almost normal because I knew several such boys.
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Luke
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Date Posted: 22:16:56 11/28/20 Sat

Not far back a poster told about having an adult sitter bring her same age daughter into bathroom to watch her bathing a same age boy.
When she had to leave the bathroom to answer the phone, she left her daughter sitting the bathroom looking at the boy standing naked in the tub. In full view of the girl.
I think these situations happened more often than ever related.
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Date Posted: 00:09:56 11/29/20 Sun

Yes, the situation you mention was probably not uncommon.
I remember seeing it a few times myself.
One I remember well was when visiting a friend's home and the 14 year old sister of a 10 year old boy told him it was time for his bath. She had two friends same age over and they followed her in the bathroom with the boy.
I don't know what happened in there but as they came out of the bathroom the two girls had a big smile on their face.

So it was probably not unusual for girls to invite their friends to watch while she bathed the boy. Same with babysitters as you mention who would have a younger sister, or daughter, or friend along who would be allowed to watch the boy being bathed naked.

But again this was a totally different situation than making a boy and girl strip and fondle each other, which is something I never encountered.
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Luke to Sam
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Date Posted: 00:30:15 11/29/20 Sun

Do you remember if the boy you described, when he came out of the bathroom, after being watched by the girls while he was getting his bath, showed any level of excitement, sexual arousal, or embarrassment?
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Charles to Sam
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Date Posted: 02:45:41 11/29/20 Sun

Sam - I was one of those observed boys. My mom and dad had one night a week out late for meetings. Mom arranged for a lady, I think had been a nurse in Ireland during the war, to sit for me.
I was 11, and the lady would bring her 10 year old daughter with her. I saw her everyday at school, not the same class, but same hall.
The girl would go into the bathroom, start running the water, and sit on the toilet lid. I would undress in my room and come in with the lady, wearing my bathrobe.
She would tell her daughter to get up off the toilet, so I could "make my water", (meaning pee) before getting into the tub.
They would stand there and watch me pee.
I resisted at first, but she would leave a notebook full of good things about me for my mom to read.
My mom would read them to me the next morning.
I complained to my mom, but she got really mad, with such as "what will we do without her" and she is a nurse and such.
I told her about the girl, and she got mad saying she is just a child, and such.
I surrendered to the system.
I actually started looking forward to her visits. I didn't care that her daughter was there looking at me the whole time. She even brought other girls, sometimes, who would also come into the bathroom to watch. The lady would compliment me about being so cooperative, and leave nice notes for my mom.
I know that from time to time I would get a boner when she was soaping up my penis. She would make sure that the girls could see. I didn't mind. It felt good.
Mom was happy, the lady was happy, the girls were happy, and I was happy.

It felt good, and I enjoyed it, and so did any body who was also there watching.
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RuthAnn to Charles
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Date Posted: 14:09:33 11/29/20 Sun

How long did this go on? You said that you started enjoying it.
How often did other girls attend to see you naked?Did any of the girls ever get a chance to touch your penis?
I hope you will continue to share this experience with us.
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Charles to RuthAnn
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Date Posted: 16:01:36 11/29/20 Sun

Mom and dad finished their course in about 8 months.
That ended the lady and the girls coming once a week.
By then it was routine. I was really enjoying it.
They would go in and start the water, and I would undress in my room.I would walk naked into the bathroom, while all were watching. Pee if I had to, and got into the tub.
She would soap me up, and spend more and more time on my penis.
It felt good, really good, and I really enjoyed it a lot.
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Sam to Luke
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Date Posted: 16:10:32 11/29/20 Sun

The boy was wearing his pajama bottoms as he came out of the bathroom after the bath, so I don't remember if he was excited or aroused or even embarrassed. He just acted normal from what I remember.
What I remember for sure is that the girls, as I mentioned, had a big smile on their face which showed that they were probably excited and enjoyed whatever was going on in there.
I guess it was just a case of a sister wanting to give her friends a treat of boy nudity.
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Luke to Sam
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Date Posted: 16:59:35 11/29/20 Sun

I'm sure he was squeaky clean "all over".
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Mary
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Date Posted: 15:53:30 11/30/20 Mon

I plan to send our 12 year old son to summer camp next summer.
Does this all still go on?
How should I prepare him for what he may see?
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Anthony
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Date Posted: 22:03:07 11/30/20 Mon

Some readers have said that they did not think moms presenting their sons or daughters happened.
I can attest that it really did happen.
I was "presented" to two girls, daughters of my mom's best friend. Their mom was somebody I even called "Aunt", but was not really a relative.
I was a high 13, the girls were 13 and 11.
It all took place at their house, much like has been described by others.
They were also "presented" to me.
This would have been 1963.
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Lois to Anthony
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Date Posted: 20:58:43 12/02/20 Wed

Anthony, Can you share any of the details associated with this showing experience? Did you know about beforehand that this was going to happen, or did it just come up between the adults?
What was the extent of the presenting, just looking or was there touching involved?
Any details would be appreciated.
Are there others out there who also would want to know, or am I alone?
Thank you.
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Anthony to Lois
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Date Posted: 02:44:12 12/03/20 Thu

It went pretty much like the other reports, but not nearly so formal. There were two big takeaways for me:
1. Mom did not know that I had grown pubic hair.
2. She did not anticipate me becoming as highly aroused as I got.
I was very highly highly aroused, but I did not cum.
Going home in the car, she told me about not knowing I had hair. She had not seen me naked for some time.
She asked if I would do it just one more time for somebody else.
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Lois to Anthony
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Date Posted: 15:54:26 12/04/20 Fri

What was the extent of your pubic hair development that your mom had not yet seen?
You said you were very highly aroused. Were you close to cumming? If so, why didn't you just let it happen? i'm sure the girls would have enjoyed seeing that.
And, did you agree to doing that one last showing you mom asked about?
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Anthony to Lois
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Date Posted: 17:24:24 12/04/20 Fri

Not long after that event, my mom came onto my bedroom when I was in my PJ's. She told me again that she did not know that I had pubic hair, and was surprised when she saw it. She asked if she could see it again.
I pulled down my pj's for her to see. I was not sexually aroused at all by that. I did not get in anyway erect. I was totally flacid the whole time.
Mayby 2 minutes max, not long. She said it looked very nice, or something like that.
She thanked me and gave me a big hug.
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Stephany to Anthony
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Date Posted: 18:22:00 12/04/20 Fri

According to my opinion, it isn't good that mother did not know that her son had pubic hair, and was surprised when she saw it. Mother ought to know everything about son's development in adolescent time. I have two adult sons and both were inspected by me weekly until their almost 18 when their maturation was finished. It happened till HS graduation and some time after.
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Anthony to Stephany
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Date Posted: 18:38:49 12/04/20 Fri

How did you do those "inspections"? Where did they take place. Were they individual or together.
Did they become aroused as you inspected them?
If so, to what extent?
Please share, thank you.
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Stephany to Anthony
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Date Posted: 18:54:45 12/04/20 Fri

I inspected them weekly, usually Friday night after bath. Both boys had daily shower but they had to take weekly bath and usually it was Friday night. After bath, each boy had to call me or I was waiting in bath room already when he would ready. Then he had to stand up and I inspected him fully - from head till toe. I had double goal - evaluation of development and evaluation of cleanliness. It wasn't long time inspection but I could evaluate everything - hair, ears, armpits, back, bottom and crack (... spread legs, bent, spread buttocks, please more...), balls, pubic hairs, penis with foreskin retraction (for each boy after his 12), legs, heels. Yes, they were aroused sometimes but it's normal in teen age. Sometimes, when one of boys was inspected by me, brother was standing near waiting his turn.
It's normal for brothers and I never encouraged especial modesty between them.
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Anthony to Stephany
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Date Posted: 19:10:02 12/04/20 Fri

Thank you Stephany
When you were inspecting them, did you ever discuss such things as erection, masturbation, ejaculation, and such?
Did you teach them how to masturbate, or did you arrange that for someone else to do?
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Anthony to Stephany
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Date Posted: 20:13:55 12/04/20 Fri

Stephany, You are a thoughtful and loving mother. Your sons I am sure, valued you affection and care. Did you encourage the younger brother to try and do as his older brother? Was he ever successful for you to watch and see as he did orgasm spurting.
I am sure they appreciated your loving care well into adolescence.
When did you last see your sons ejaculate their semen for you to see??
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Date Posted: 19:36:48 12/04/20 Fri

Yes, of course, I spoke with them about their development and appearing of new signs of maturation were good news and fun for all us three. My elder was about 14 when he had full erection during inspection when I touched his penis (it happened earlier too) and I asked do you know as release yourself and he little blushed but told of course mommy. I offer him to show because he ought no to be embarrassing by me and younger brother and he answered sure. We could see as he did it, had cum and then two spurts of white semen on bathroom wall. Brother told WOW and I told that he's good healthy young man and he was proud. Later he told me that a few times masturbated together with best friend but I told him it's normal for boys and I saw he became calm. At least, elder knew as masturbate and was loving teacher for younger.
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Anthony to Stephany
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Date Posted: 23:40:54 12/04/20 Fri

After watching his older brother ejaculate his "two spurts of white semen", did you then encourage the younger to try and do that himself.
Did the older brother try to help him reach ejaculation, or did you help him achieve that goal?
You are a loving mother, all around.
Please continue.
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Anthony to Stephany
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Date Posted: 02:25:37 12/05/20 Sat

When your youngest had his ejaculations when you bathed him, were they caused because you masturbated him, or did he masturbate himself while you watched and encouraged him.
You must have been proud to see your youngest develop to the point that he could now ejaculate sperm like his older brother.
How did you reward this milestone of development.
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Date Posted: 02:03:53 12/05/20 Sat

My younger was too young in this time - he was 12 only and prepubescent. However, since his about 14 (the same as was with his elder bro) he had ejaculations when I bathed him (different from elder, who bathed himself since 13 and I inspected him only, younger liked to be bathed by me and I gave him full bath weekly - it was instead inspections too - till his 16)
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Anthony to Lois
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Date Posted: 03:32:32 12/05/20 Sat

Yes I did do actually two more "showings" for friends of my mom.
One for a boy, and one for a brother and sister.
Sorry I did not get back to you with that.
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Date Posted: 14:38:43 12/05/20 Sat

Anthony, what means "One for a boy..."?
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Anthony to Stephany
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Date Posted: 00:20:48 12/06/20 Sun

It means I did a showing for a boy.
Both moms were there and It was like the others but he was a younger boy.
His mom wanted him to see and know.
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Date Posted: 04:16:19 12/06/20 Sun

I'm little astonished. Why boy's mother did want to show him other boy? What new could he see?
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Anthony to Stephany
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Date Posted: 04:55:16 12/06/20 Sun

To show the boy what will happen over the next several years.
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Anthony to Stephany
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Date Posted: 14:11:14 12/06/20 Sun

This boy was very chubby.
Non sports.
No school locker room or shower exposure.
Very, very chubby.
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Stephany to Anthony
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Date Posted: 05:26:37 12/06/20 Sun

Gotcha! Indeed, it was good idea. However, boys often can see other boys naked - swim lessons, locker rooms etc. My younger son got all information about boy's development when saw his older bro, but older saw his peers only in school shower.
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Anthony to Stephany
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Date Posted: 15:16:32 12/06/20 Sun

Whole thing came up at mom's work. Boy's mom expressed concern that her son would soon start developing and had no other boys to see for reference.
One thing lead to another, and there we were.
His mom appeared mush more nervous than the boy himself.
She kept thanking my mom and me even before we really started doing anything.
He seem more anxious than nervous.
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Stephany to Anthony
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Date Posted: 16:38:29 12/06/20 Sun

Yes, both mothers did very smart act. I think for the boy it was the best lesson of his future development as can imagine.
Did you speak between yourself during presentation or he watch only? Was him permitted to touch you or you show him himself only? What was most interesting for him?
Anthony, how was presentation when were you and girl?
My boys were 12 and 10 when my friend permit her 11-year-old daughter to swim together in yard pool and all were naked. After pool they were naked rest of day and it was fun for all them (after short time of some embarrassment). It was nice day.
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Anthony to Stephany
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Date Posted: 15:33:03 12/09/20 Wed

Yes there was lots of conversation among all four of us. The boys mother was very talkative, and kept thanking my mom and me for doing all this for her son.
I felt funny doing it for a boy and had trouble getting started, but eventually everything worked out OK.

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roy
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Date Posted: 07:14:47 12/09/20 Wed

Not summer camps but summer days in rural India back in the 90s. We had to strip naked at home and go out completely naked without anything in river banks, in the woods to play.No one cared about boys nudity up to 14 in rural areas as innocence and we were able to skinny dip in the river, play in the village field. Women and girls saw us regularly and no one cared. Only if we were caught by urban women and girls they would giggle or give us a smirk. Total prolonged nudity outside our houses without anything to hide. Great natural life.My childhood.
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Elaine
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Date Posted: 20:40:03 12/09/20 Wed

I'm new to all of this. Can anyone explain what this "presenting" was all about?
Thanks in advance.
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Peter tonElaine
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Date Posted: 03:16:32 12/10/20 Thu

Just look back over the postings and you will see very explicit descriptions of actual presenting events.
They are for the most part, from my experience, authentic.
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Observer to Roy
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Date Posted: 01:04:04 12/10/20 Thu

This is obviously a gay site, which is out of subject of this forum, but I have seen several photos taken by tourists recently of boys swimming naked in a public park pond in India with girls and women looking on.
Like you say it is still common in India to see boys swimming naked everywhere.
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toy to Observer
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Date Posted: 04:49:10 12/10/20 Thu

Oh, I have not noticed it's a gay site. It is sad someone collects artistic photos and posts them on completely irrelevant sites.
It was natural and our reality. We do not have pictures from our 90s but it was so common lifestyle for us boys in rural India. parents did not bother to send boys out totally naked to play and bathe in the wilderness. The hot climate helped. Good old days, brought up like that. No one cared except a few city dwellers.
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Date Posted: 06:15:07 12/10/20 Thu



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