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Subject: BS smeller is a waste of space


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More BS from BS smeller
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Date Posted: 15:18:27 05/06/20 Wed
In reply to: BS Smeller 's message, "Andrew's story is as believable as Markoos's story (both fake)" on 02:41:26 05/06/20 Wed

BS smeller, you are such a waste of space. Who are you to jugde about something that happened well below you started having having smelly poo yourself?

Get lost idiot!

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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 21:59:34 10/23/20 Fri

" Boyd" your relation is rather funny but also erotic, very different of the relations of "Igor or Dim or Olga" which were only factual.

But you said that boys were aged from 10 to 13 when the girl was in charge of them and supervised their showers with a thorough inspection at the end for a group of five boys each time .
Ok but you said that she was only 4 years older, so when was she in charge of you at 10 ? or at 13?
She was 14 age or 17 age?

If it was at 13 age were you supervised by an other girl the previous years who did not look at you during shower inspect you or was it almost the same without inspection?
or did you have her during three years of summer camp ?

If you were 24 boysall together in the locking room, did she saw each of the 24 boys in the nude all together being instructed to strip completely as soon as they entered in the room before entering in the cabins and did she inspected each of them several times during the stay ?

You said that she supervised you to be sure that you washed properly under showers but could she see you after you entered in the cabin ?

Did you swim also like a lot of others boys inn summer camps in the nude with her to supervise you ?
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Fred
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Date Posted: 22:09:24 10/23/20 Fri

From age 11 to 14 I attended a boys summer camp in north central Pennsylvania, not far from Wellsboro, PA.
Campers were from 9 to 15.
We had two swim periods. The morning was in the pool and focused on swimming strokes and water safety. The afternoon session was in the lake, and was all fun and games.
For both sessions, all boys were naked. The only people in swimsuits were the older lifeguards, probably college age guys, and the director, who was not always there.
They were the only time we were naked, except for morning showers and such. Years were 1952 to 1955.
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Louisa (To fred)
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Date Posted: 04:08:32 10/25/20 Sun


Have you ever been naked in the presence of a girl, at the pool or at the lake, where it was always only between boys?
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Fred
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Date Posted: 19:37:28 10/25/20 Sun

Yes, but not at camp.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 22:39:47 10/23/20 Fri

"Igor"

Thanks for your interesting relation of the procedure in a summer camp in Russia or similar eastern countries.

I notice that you were washed by your mother at home till about 9 age ( almost the same at my time in France and even may be two years more until 11 age, it was normal for a boy!), so even if you were no longer washed by her after 9 age, it was not so much different in the summer camp since you were only a little older, not so much! I would have more understood if yoy had been 11 or 12 age like it seems that some boys could be.

May be the great difference was that it was a girl who was only a few years older( 14-15 age) who was in charge of washing you.

It was of course more embarrassing but as you said it was a usual practice at summer camps in Russia and more generally in family, so you were normally expected to that situation when you came to the camp. It was not a great surprise.

And I understand your comment about the most embarrassing time during shower, I share your feeling that it was when you had to bend over and spread your buttocks with your asshole exposed in front of the girl but also in front of the other boys of the group ( 4-5 boys) and the other 4-5 older girls who were in charge of washing your group.as regards the boys, it was not different for them and you were equally naked and equally washed, so it was not so embarrassing !
But if I had well understood, you were all a group of 25 boys naked waiting your turn to enter by group of five, in the room where you were prepared. So if you were one of the last boys you stayed a more long time naked. But fralky at 9 age, it was not so embarrassing than if you were older.

I presume that it was the last year that you went to a summer camp in Russia?

You said that it was difficult to show some reluctance to undress or even to refuse, but what do you mean when you said that you might obey to instructions if did not want to be punished or disciplined ? what could be the punishments?

It is interesting to notice that you did not swim in the nude on the reverse of a lot of relations about swimming for american boys in summer camps. You swam wearing a swim suit like girls ( so your modesty was well protected!) but at the same time you were not consided as enough mature and old to wash by yourself and it was girls just a few years older who were in charge without any concern for your embarrassment because it was usual and considered as normal. It is funny how things could be felt differently from a country to an other.

What surprises me most is that none of you "Olga, Dim or you" are talking of how older boys were supervised or taken in charge during their showers. I presume that there was also summer camps for boys aged between 12 and 16, I doubt that their showers were totally free of any check or supervision, who was in charge and how were they performed?

In France boys until 14 age would have been supervised during showers by a monitor ( generally a male graduated student over 18 age or more for pre-teens boys ) both to be sure that they washed properly and that they did not fight in the shower area if it was a line of shower heads.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:10:18 10/24/20 Sat

"Yoanna "and others

I find interesting and a bit surprising that the rules or regular customs were the same in Bulgaria and Russia for the washing of small boys in summer camp.

It can mean that there was official instructions or papers menntioning it as a good practice in summer camps valuable for all or at least several eastern europe countries, the same rules were applied with small boys washed by girls just a little older than them. These official instructions might have been edited by gouvernment of Russia or by the communist party.
Surprising that they gave so much attention to such a "minor" fact or situation, normally not very important except in private life.

I guess that it was the same for school physical examinations and more over draft physical examinations. There might be also official instructions on how to proceed, with what set up and so on ..
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Yoana to Jean
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Date Posted: 12:59:12 10/25/20 Sun

I didn't know it, didn't see any papers.
It was only three times when I was engaged in the process. The first day a couple of the older girls were going to wash the younger children and asked my friends and me if we want to help. The next two times we volunteered.
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Perry
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Date Posted: 20:07:33 10/25/20 Sun

We had female counsellors about HS or college age at camp till about age 11 or 12. They didn't wash us but supervised us during showers.
It wasn't a big deal for us since we were used to it and there was only one or two girl counsellors looking which we considered as big sisters and carers.
We boys actually teased each other about the girl counsellors seeing us naked and enjoyed frolicking naked in front of them. Sometimes they would swat a boy's bare butt with their hand if he was misbehaving, which was more playful than serious and would make everyone laugh.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 21:49:57 10/25/20 Sun

"Perry"

I understand perfectly that it was not a bidg deal for boys until 12 age to be supervised during showers by female counsellors who were HS or college girls.

But It was not the same to be washed by a girl at 12 age and to be supervised during showers even if in two cases you were exposed to her view stark naked.

I presume that to be supervised by girls counsellors could happen also in France for boys under 12 age at summer camps like you said, it was like older sisters..

And as you said normally when a girl swatted a boy's bare butt with her hand because he was behaving or making troubles, it was more playful than serious and you laughed about it.

A funny situation for small kids, still innocent, nothing bad and awkward or humiliating.
And I presume that it was like you said more playful to be slapped on the butt by an older girl than by a strict male Pe teacher like it could hapen at school.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:56:45 10/26/20 Mon

"Joanna"
did it happen sometimes that you slapped the boyish buttocks of a boy who was too reluctant to obey or making troubles while you washed him ?

if you did it three years, at what age for you did begin and did you stop ?
and how aged were the older boys?

When they were judged enough oldr to wash themselves, did you know if somebody was in charge to check that they had properly washed ?

Same question for the other women who were in summer camps in Russia and Igor also ?
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Yoana to Jean
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Date Posted: 13:28:00 10/26/20 Mon

Yup and it was funny. In fact the older girls who invited us to help did it all the time. My task was usually to dry the children they wash. Once I was told to get the boys undressed when there was no there counsellor around but I failed, they didn't listen to me. I was saying absolutely the same as their counsellor said but it was no use they refused to follow my orders though when their counsellor came back and told them absolutely what I told, to get naked, they did it with me around although some reluctantly.
And it was only three times in one summer when I was 11, not three years, the boys were 7-8 years old, maybe 9 but no older.
I believe the older boys were supervised when they took a shower. We girls were, there was always a counsellor in a shower room.
I fact the oldest girls (14-15 years old) had to wash the youngest children. I didn't know why they invited us to help that year. On the next year when I was 12 we were not invited anymore. Someone've asked but they told something like don't worry no needed.
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Dim to Yoanna
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Date Posted: 17:57:46 10/26/20 Mon

Wow you did it at 11?!
At my summer camp the girls who were assigned to wash us in the shower were 13-14 year old. I suspected there could be even a bit younger girls although we were told that they were all "the big ones". At least some girls looked almost as adults and some had a girlish face.
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Dim to jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 15:11:15 10/26/20 Mon

jean the frenchie, I had this experience in my childhood. It was our camp's rule that younger groups of children had to be washed in showers by older girls. I think that it was considered as girls' job as a part of childcare. It was called "bathing day" and the bulding where the shower rooms were located called "bath house" whereas there was no any bath tub or saunas there, just two sections, one for boys and one for girls with a locker room and a shower room in each.
We had to undress completely in a locker room and stand in a line - usually in front of the door to the shower room, sometimes along the wall inside shower room. Sometimes it was only my group, sometimes they combined two groups, so there could be up to 40 boys in a line.
Then we shold enter the shower room one by one as the girls finished washing the previous boy and called the next. I remember as a one of embarrasing moments when I it was my turn and I had to go to the girl and stand under the shower facing to her with arms by sides, and another - when she touched my grabbed my private parts with her palm to wash it, it was very tickling in addition to that it was embarrassing. But I don't remember as a some of extra embarrassing when she scrubbed my bottom. But we didn't have to spread our buttocks or something, they just told us to bend a little and it was very quickly.
I don't remember any special punishment for refusing to undress, our counsellor just yelled at us something like "Everyone - undress to the NUDE, NOW!!! Stand in line without underpants!" and we just followed her orders. It was the time when you did what you were told to. So we hesitated waiting someone else to get naked first but didn't protest much. Our counsellors had only one answer to any kind of protests - something like "The girls are big and they seen and washed lots of naked boys before your group, you don't have anything they haven't seenmany times before so stop bickering and undress!"
The one kind of punishment was to make us to line up not in the locker room but in the shower room along the wall ordering us to stand in attention with our arms by sides like if it was a PE lesson but it was very rare and used when we were making too much noise. And another punishment was to skip the swimming time in a pool. That was enough to discourage any protests.
It the same procedure every summer since I was 7 except one summer when I was 10 and for some reason was assigned to the older group but again the next summer when I was 11 and it was the last time. Then finally we were trusted wash ourselves. Of course there was a counsellor's supervision but it was not a big problem for me even when our counsellor was female because whe didn't check much for cleanless of something like that, she just watched an order and in the oldest groups when I was 14 we had a male counsellor.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 11:30:57 10/28/20 Wed

"Dim"

you have sent recently a message on the discussion which hs been put like an older one, so I put it now.

" Yoanna, I heard from several people that they experienced something like this but you are the first person outside exUSSR. I suppose that some communist countries had similar education programs such as pioneer (summer) camps and childcare policies. In my summer camp all elementary school children (finished 1-3 grade of school) were washed by older girls in bathing days which means from 7 to 10 year old but in fact nobody cared what grade are you finished and how old are you, if you was in one of the younger groups you had to undress naked and get bathed by the older girls and in fact the last time I had to go through this procedure I finished the 4th grade and I was 11 and there were at least one or two more boys my age although the most of the boys were the 10 year old 3d-graders."

I presume that when a few boys aged of 11 like you the last year were bathing by just little older girls and mixed with younger boys still aged from 7 to 10, being still students at elementary schools like it was the rule, it was because they seemed younger than their age.
It might be easy to believe that a boy of 11 was in fact aged of 10.
And if the counsellor did not listen to you or of you did not dare to tell her that there was a mistake on your real age, it could happen!
you said that nobody cared what age you had and what grade you were if you were in one of the younger group. Ok but why were you in such a group and not in a group of oldr boys ?. Once you were mixed with younger boys, you could not stop the set up planned for the younger group, you might strip completely and you were bathed as usual by older girls...

It was not really a big deal since you were still young at 11 age but it might be perhaps a little more embarrassing because there was not a great difference of age between you and the girl who was in charge of your bathing?

Fortunately for you it was the last year !

I must recognize that I found a little strange that idea that a girl just a little older could wash a boy just a little younger. I don't deny the necessity of bathing properly a young boy nor the more maturity of girls and the fact that they often helped their mothers in that task at home or would do soon and it was educational for them to prepare them to their future status of mother, but in my opinion, they were still a little too young.

And it was worse with "Joanna" ,even if she was present during the baths of the young boys more for helping for instance to dry them and check all the preparation if I had well understood than for washing them really because she was too young for that?
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Dim to Jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 14:04:56 10/28/20 Wed

jean the frenchie, the groups were formed even before the shift has started and we children came to the camp. As far as I know they just took the list of the pupils and divided it into more of less equal groups by age. And of course they knew our real age perfectly well. I doubt however that the person who was making the lists of the groups even thought about such a minor thing as a procedure of taking a group shower.
I don't know why I was in a younger group that summer as well as I don't know why I was assigned to the next age group on the previous summer when I was 10. Maybe the groups of my age was overcrowded but I know that on the same time when I was in an elementary school group, at least one of classmates who was almost a year younger (he started school at 6 while I started at 7), was assigned to the older group.
We did't know the real age of the girls who washed us, we were just told that they all are the "big girls" for us, while the girls of course knew our age, I even remember that some of them asked me what grade I finished and how old am I.
And of course there was not a single chance to skip the set up planned for our group. It was much like an assembly line going - unless you was in a first group to be washed (the most times in was the youngest group) you would find yourself in an atmosphere of rush and be hurried up to get undressed and take your place in a line ready for the shower (stark naked having only a washcloth in your hand). Any kind of arguing or protests were not allowed.
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Curious to Dim
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Date Posted: 15:14:42 10/28/20 Wed

Up to what age were you and the other boys washed by the girls?

From what you say it seems that the girl counsellors were still supervising you in the showers while you were all naked till age 14. Were the boys not embarrassed about this?
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Dim to Curious
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Date Posted: 19:37:13 10/28/20 Wed

Curious, I doubt that someone older than 11 was washed by the girls, at least I did't see a boy beyond puberty among us when we were bathed by the girls though erection was the very common occurrence.
Layter, when we were not bathed by someone anymore our counsellors still supervised our shower and the most time they were the female but it was not a big problem as they did't pay much attention to us being naked and it was happy being able to undress and quickly sneak into the shower room in which they did't come staying us in the locker room, remembering the previous years when I was required to strip naked in front of girls without a chance to cover myself . When I was 14 or 15 we already had a male conselor.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 23:25:48 10/28/20 Wed

"Dim" how were you supervised by the male counsellor after you had 14 or 15 age ? were they very strict against discipline ? or more friendly? Did they checked you closely or not?

For you, I understand that it was not really embarrassing to be supervised by a female counsellor between 11 and 14 age since when you were allowed to wash yourself, you were so glad that it had no importance and besides you said that they did not pay much attention to the boys being naked and stayed in the locker room.

And before 11 age, it was of course a little embarrassing but you might comply since it was the common rule or custom, you could not complain or protest or refuse when you were bathed by "the older girls", no matter was your real age since you had been assigned in a younger group and you were not older than 11 age. So you had to hurry up generally when required to srip completely naked in front of girls without a chance to cover yourself.
it might be unpleasant to know that each time at 11 age you had to stand naked in line with the other boys of your group and you said that it could even happen that you were a group of 40 boys all naked and standing in line, either in the locker room before a smaller group of 4 or 5 boys was called to enter in the shower room, either in the shower room as a punishment if the boys made too noise in the locker room while undressing, where you had to enter in a large group to stand to attention like in the army stark naked along the wall of the shower room exposed to the view of the five older girls which was more embarrassing than the locker room.
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Dim to jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 13:41:43 10/29/20 Thu

jean the frenchie, the male counsellors were friendly, they were actually the colledge or the university students on internship or side job. Of course they didn't check us close and didn't mind when we were making some noise unless there was no danger or unless someone was trying to fight with each other.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 00:08:28 10/29/20 Thu

"Dim" thank you for all your detailed answers.

Previously you have written that you had this experience in your childhood because it was your camp's rule that younger groups of children had to be washed in showers by "older girls", I presume that it was the same in most or all the russian summer camps at that time ?.

I believe that you are right about the fact that it was considered as girls' job as a part of childcare And I am not against that idea.

Your bathing day took care in a bulding called "bath house" where the shower rooms were located with no bath tub nor saunas but with separated sections for boys and girls.

At least, you had not to strip completely in front of girls of your age, which could have happened if the boys had been the first group to be bathed before the group of girls in the same shower room and to strip naked under the eyes of the girls which would have been told to wait still dressed but allowed to watch the line of boys in the nude. I presume that no adult or even older counsellor would have considered that situation as an issue if you had shared a locker room with the small girls ?.

In the shower room, of course you had to stand under the shower facing to an "older girl " with arms on your sides. Does it mean that in the locker room while lining up in a group you were allowed to cover your privates with your hands ?

I notice that for you the most embarrassing while being washed was when the "older girl" touched your genitals, not when she washed your buttocks because you did not have to spread your buttocks which was from fast the most embarrassing time when you might do it in front of someone ( I remember still vividly of the first time when I was in that situation at my pre-military physical examination at 18 age ), fortunately for you, you had just to bend over a little and it was very quickly.So not too much embarrasing !

And as you said it was a time when we did what we were told to do. So you didn't protest much.

I like the answer of your counsellors to any kind of protests - "something like "The girls are big and they seen and washed lots of naked boys before your group, you don't have anything they haven't seen many times before so stop bickering and undress!" It was the common words and attitude of persons in charge with authority over boys when they were told to strip completely in public in front of women or girls.

You said that one kind of punishment used when you were making too much noise was to order you to line up not in the locker room but in the shower room along the wall ordering you to stand in attention with your arms by sides like if it was a PE lesson.
But I presume that you were not naked when standing in line with arms on your sides in a Pe lesson ?
And you have written that you swam with a swim suit on the reverse of what happened sometimes in some schools in the United States with the rule of swimming lesson in the nude for boys.
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Dim to jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 14:35:32 10/29/20 Thu

Jean the frenchie, I'll try to answer:

>>I presume that it was the same in most or all the russian summer camps at that time ?.
Not all the summer camp conducted bathing days this way and probably not even most of them but the practice was widspread in variations, I heard of it many times in my childhood and later.

>>I presume that no adult or even older counsellor would have considered that situation as an issue if you had shared a locker room with the small girls ?
Well it's hard to tell now. We were told when we were little that the girls who assigned to wash us are the "big ones" and that's why we have no reason to be embarrassed. They didn't tell us that we shouldn't be shy in front of the girls our age. But maybe you are right and if the situation was like you suggested, we could hear the completely different story.

>>Does it mean that in the locker room while lining up in a group you were allowed to cover your privates with your hands ?
Yes, when we were waiting in line in a locker room we could cover our privates with hands if we wanted. The counsellor were telling us that we have no reason to do it because the girls would wash us in a minutes and would see and wash our private parts anyway (they and the girls said "peepees" or to be more precise, the russian analog of this word). But they didn't scold us if we did it anyway. But not in the shower room and not in front of the girl whe dried us with a towel after the shower in a locker room.

>>But I presume that you were not naked when standing in line with arms on your sides in a Pe lesson ?
Of course not, we were in our PE uniform for PE lessons. I used this comparsion because we were required to line up along the wall opposite the line of the showers where the girls were washing our mates on the same manner as we lined up in front of the gym teacher at the beginning of the PE lesson. The goal was to calm down the group and the counsellor watched us to be sure we are standing still. However the girls didn't look at us at that moments, they were busy by scrubbing the other 4 boys and were standing back on us and were turning to us only to take the next boy from the line. But in this position we boys could see all the process of washing our mates and were often giggling on the moments when some girl grabbed the boys privates with her palm to soap up. And if giggling became laughting loudly than the sounds of water, some of the girls could turn to us to say something like "Stop laughing, you all will be bathed just like this an we will wash your peepeees on the same way!".
As you can see nobody cared of our modesty)

>>And you have written that you swam with a swim suit on the reverse of what happened sometimes in some schools in the United States with the rule of swimming lesson in the nude for boys.
Yes everyone swam wearing swimming trunks, even the smallest children.
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Curious to Dim
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Date Posted: 22:02:44 10/29/20 Thu

Was nudity used as a punishment for boys at the camp since you mention that the girls would make you stand naked by the wall with your hands at your sides if you misbehaved in the showers or bath room?

I read a post a long time ago by a poster who was in a boarding school in Russia who said that nudity in front of girls was often used as a punishment for boys, especially in the dormitories corridor. It was only used on boys and not on girls.

From the above and from what you say it seems that the double standard was common everywhere, not just in USA and other countries but also in Russia.
What seems to have been different in Russia and other East European countries was concerning swimming where either both boys and girls swam in swimsuits or both swam naked even together. This seems to have been different from other countries, including West European and USA where only boys were made to swim naked.
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Dim to Curious
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Date Posted: 15:28:14 11/01/20 Sun

Curious, nudity was never used as a punishment outside the shower room. But in a shower room we were all naked anyway so it doesn't count.
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Konstantin to Dim (then I was "Kostik")
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Date Posted: 16:13:32 10/30/20 Fri

It was years ago, of course, but I had the same experience in pioneer camps. Yes, older girls bathed "malishej' including 10-year-old, but once I was in younger group already after 11 (about three month after my 11th birthday) and was bathed the same as other despite of my protests that I'm too old already and can wash myself. For girls and counselor it wasn't important and I was bathed as all including my privates and very humiliated procedure when bottom and crack were washed in front whoever who was there - girls and boys. Modesty for younger children wasn't accepted then.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 14:09:10 10/31/20 Sat

" Konstantin"

Since it seems to have been a very usual practice in russian pionner camps that younger boys were bathed by just a bit older girls, was it really an issue?

If I try to think about it, it seems to me that it was not a bad idea, it was very educational for the more mature girls m and not very different of family situations when the mothers asked them to help in caring about younger brothers. wa it really unfair for the boys less mature, often careless about their cleanliness if it stopped at 11 or even just a little months afte.

Of course I recognize that it could be depending on the attitude of the girls.
When I read the message of "Dim" it seems that it was not too much embarrassing but when I read your relation, it is different because it seems that the girl's attitude was more intrusive since you felt humiliated when you were bathed th despite your protests like younger boys including your privates, especially buttoms and crack which was certainly humiliating for a boy of more than 11 age.

I presume that it would have been more fair and less humiliating if the girls had been counsellors more older than the girls who washed you.!

But when you said that modesty for younger children was not accepted then, I believe that you could have said the same as a draftee, since according to many relations modesty was not much accepted for male teenagers aged of 18 at draft phyical examinations to decide of their fitness for military service, it seems that there was often public nudity in front of young women nurses or female doctors or even women secretaries or members of a local draft office.
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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:30:27 11/01/20 Sun

I can understand that it was more embarrassing being washed by just a litle older girl when you were 11 age than 8-9 age because 11 age was generally the age when a boy began to be modest.( even if your father was not wrong when he said that since you had not still hairs, you had nothing to hide)

The issue was that the girls was washing you like a small boy, including your privates parts and the most embarrassing your buttocks and asshole if she did not it quickly and if she spread the cheeks of your buttocks to wash you more properly in front of other boys even younger and other girls without any care for your embarrassment to wash more properly. It increased of course your embarrassment but if we admit that a boy was less careful about his cleanliness than a girl, it was may be necessary at least until 10 age. A too quick washing would have not been useful !

That year when you had 11 age, were you washed by the same "old" girl each time or by different girls each time or almost each time?

And I notice that after from 12 age to 15 age, you were left alone to wash yourself even if it was under supervision and without any embarrassing check of genitals and crack after the washing.

When I read some relations of boy students in a boarding school who had been submitted to such checks by a matron woman or female nurse after bath or shower even at that age, it seems that it could have been worse for you between 12 and 15!

You said that after you have had two physical examinations for the draft process, one at 16, and one at 18, and that it was full exam, What does it mean exactly "full exam".

And you said without any modesty but you did not say if at that older age you were naked in front of women or girls almost your age and how you were treated and examined?

And you said that you admitted it as "part of a man life " and no shame because you were already a big boy?

I don't understand how you could have been more embarrassed at 11 than at 16 or 18 if seen naked by a lot of persons.
Of course it was part of man life and well known in many countries with military service. Even in France every boy and his parents knew that he might report in front of a draft board commission to be examined stark naked with all a group of young men who had reached like him the age of 18 in a large examinatin room in the mayor facility.
It was really embarrassing but it was the tradition in France until middle of the 60's and each boy might comply to the summon and after on the day of the session of the draft board commission he had to parade in the nude in front of ten or twelwe members of the commission with possibly one or two women to decide of his fitness for military service after an embarrassing examination by a military doctor in front of them.

So it was rule and tradition and part of life of a young man but very unpleasant !

And it was at 18 age in France, not at 16 age followed by a second examination at 18 age.

So, I am surprised that you seem to have best admitted these draft physical examinations when you were a male teenager than the washing at 11 age?
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Dim to jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 17:26:19 11/01/20 Sun

jean the frenchie, what if that bathing practice was a kind of boys preparation for military service?
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Date Posted: 21:40:43 10/31/20 Sat

jean, it was usually in pioneer camps, indeed. It happened tens years ago for me but I recall, when I was in camp (I was there since age 8 till 15) be bathed by older girls when I was 8-9 had no big deal for me. However, at 10-11 situation, when girl who was only little older than you, washed your privates and ass-hole in front other girls and boys was very embarrassing for me. Adults (including my parents) didn't understand it and it considered naturally completely (even my dad told you have no even hairs, what do you need hide?).
After 12 before 15 we took shower independently in camp but were supervised by counselors, however, it was only discipline supervising and ours "fronts" and "asses" weren't checked. In big group of boys nudity wasn't embarrassing.
The first medical draft exams we had at 16 and 18 - and it was full exam - without any modesty - but I (don't know as other) accepted it as part of "man life" - yes, I'm seen everywhere and in front many people - but I'm "big boy" already, no shame (although, any case some procedures during exam were embarrassing enough)
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Dim to Konstantin
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Date Posted: 16:03:41 11/01/20 Sun

Konstantin, my parents thought the same. I remember that summer, when I was 11, on parents' day I told my mom and dad that I have to take a shower with younger groups and that older girls wash us asking if I can change to group. I remember that my dad laughed and said something like "ha, not so bad, just wait till you join the army!" and mom told that when she was a girl she also bathed the little boys at her summer camp and that it is normal and I shouldn't feel shy.
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Konstantin to Dim
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Date Posted: 15:52:38 11/03/20 Tue

Dim, I sure it was opinion almost all parents then - boy ought to be clean and in safety and he isn't big enough for real embarrassment. The same as mothers in some families bathed even teens (I know it happened although kids didn't like to speak about it even with friends) and never were concerned sons' modesty ("I'm mom, you are my boy, what can I see new") - if honestly, with me was so too.



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