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Subject: Re: Female spectators at nude swim meets

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Date Posted: 00:05:03 03/27/18 Tue
In reply to: Mister Riley 's message, "Re: Female spectators at nude swim meets" on 23:59:25 03/26/18 Mon

Don't bother getting upset over this Mister Riley! It's not worth letting him know it bothered you. If we ignor him maybe he will pester some other site!

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Date Posted: 04:55:15 03/27/18 Tue

Some of the posts are a bit exagerated. Erections in front of spectators were discouraged and sometimes even punished by the coaches, and they were somewhat rare, certainly not the quantities or even all boys as some posters mention here.

Also it was usually the junior teams up to age 13 or so that competed nude in front of mixed spectators. Older teenage boys usually wore speedo-style brief swimsuits except in rare cases or places.

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Date Posted: 14:40:23 03/27/18 Tue

I started reading these stories and found some very believable, but ... there are a few that take things to the limit. I was never a part of the nude swimming era so I can't make a judgement call about it.
I read the stories with an open mind but a few of the stories seemed far fetched.
Stories of penis exposure in front of girls their age were interesting but I am unsure of their validity, even Junior boys exposed for everyone to see seems hard to believe. I know how humiliated I would have felt if I were in their situation.
As for erections, I would think many boys would have become aroused with girls there looking on. I know the girls would have been interested in seeing nude boys there and watching their penises grow hard. As a girl I would have loved seeing nude boys or watching them get erect! That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
I enjoyed reading most of these stories, some moreso than others. I tried not to judge as I never lived in that time. They were interesting and some were even excitung for me but many stories seemed to embellish a bit.
Again, this is only my opinion, not criticism towards anyone. I want to thank everyone for their input and their stories as I know it took time to post.

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Richard Dudgeon
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Date Posted: 18:08:45 03/27/18 Tue

Well, I was around then, but I never knew there were such things as nude swim meets.
Nude swimming in school, yes; I was subjected to this as were millions of other guys.
But, like you, I find most of these things fairly credible. Maybe a few stretch things, but then again, I knew a woman who lifeguarded in a YMCA pool full of nude men and boys. It’s only a short stretch to nude swim meets with female observors.
What makes it difficult to accept is the fact that even those of us who were around then have to filter this through the lens of the present. This just seems too kinky to belong in an era of sexual repression. It comes as a shock to realize the past is much kinkier than we realize, more than they even realized.
I hold the somewhat iconoclastic opinion that this whole subject of nude swimming was simply part and parcel of a socialization process for boys that was intended ultimately to turn them into compliant men who would unquestioningly participate in the interminable wars for which their bodies were needed. In my time, that was Vietnam.
God help the boy who was sensitive or shy; he was effeminate, wimpy, girly, or (shudder) a fag!

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Date Posted: 09:11:53 03/28/18 Wed

I think the logic behind letting boys compete nude in front of mixed spectators was that only parents and siblings were allowed to attend.
One must not get the impression that these nude swim meets were open to the public.
Another reason was that the teams always practiced and trained in the nude so it would have been uncomfortable to put on trunks for competitions.
One must remember that speedos did not exist in the 50s or early 60s or were somewhat rare, so woollen trunks and such materials greatly hampered the speed and competitiveness of the teams.
Another reason was that there were strict rules against anyone wearing suits in the pools at that time because of filtration problems, so they could not make exceptions for competitions or meets.

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Date Posted: 12:13:08 03/29/18 Thu

I think it was more of a tradition and culture rather than having anything to do with the military. Males, especially boys up to mid-teens, always swam naked throughout history up to that time. Swimsuits were only for girls and women to keep their modesty.
One can still see photos of that time showing boys swimming nude in public places like park ponds, rivers, harbors and other public places up to the early or mid-20th century.
So it was nothing unusual or scandalous for boys to compete naked in front of mixed spectators in the 50s or early 60s.

It is also true that the "family only" rule included friends of sisters as long as they were accampanied by the adult relatives.
These nude swim meets however were more common in YMCA meets where they were more of a family affair rather than school meets where girl classmates and female teachers could attend as spectators and give support to their school team, even if some were held naked in some areas.

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Richard Dudgeon
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Date Posted: 04:35:48 03/30/18 Fri

Traditions exist for a reason. We might, therefore, ask what was the point to this tradition?
Modesty is not transmitted by dna. It’s a learned response. You need only travel the world to see this; also, historically, it wasn’t just males who swam nude. Segregation by sex is a convention that has a purpose.
Female modesty was simply a cheap form of birth control before there was a reliable method. There is no power on earth the equivalent of social sanctions and if you can inculcate girls with the notion that sex is something proper females do not consider, you force them to rein in their hormones less they be condemned by the group as “easy” or whatever euphemism you prefer. And this has consequences, even now. There is a whole body of psychological experimentation in which women are exposed to pictures of nude men and asked if this excited them. Universally, they said no. But their bodies said yes. The monitors detected genital excitation, increased blood pressure, elevated heart beat, etc. Why the dichotomy in an age that praises sexual explicitness? I recently read one psychologist who said she thought this was a product of the messages that young females receive about sex. That they have internalized those messages to the point at which they are actually oblivious to their own state of arousal!
In the context of the subject at hand, what messages did female spectators receive? As someone else said, it was a way of sating their curiosity before they got to the mating age; it also reinforced their superior status as the ones who get to choose in the mating game; and, it starts them on the road to that incessant evaluation they will use to determine which male makes a suitable mate. That they can check out the “equipment” visually, literally allowed them to begin that process.
For boys the message was a bit darker. They were being informed that their bodies did not belong to them, but to the community, and by extension, the state. It was acceptable to embarrass and humiliate them in order that they learn to man up and conquer this comparatively (compared to war, for example) fear. More importantly, much more importantly, it was intended to help imbue them with a docility that would make them don uniforms and march off to kill and be killed without registering a complaint.
It had a sexual side as well. They were being introduced to the standards females would use to evaluate them. The qualities a girl might look for in a husband—courage, calm reliability, dedication, ability to provide—could be stress tested by forcing these boys to be nude in the presence of those girls who would shortly begin to rank them.
I only bring this up because I’m just so bloody tired of hearing this filter bullshit as an excuse for forced one sex nudity. The girls’ suits were made of cotton or wool, and three times the sizes of the boys’. They would clog the filters much more rapidly than would boys’ suits.
This wasn’t about a technical problem like filtration. It was what we would now call gender roles. (I loathe pc, but the fact that something is politically correct doesn’t negate its validity.) It was only a small part (a very small part) of a societal wide effort to produce what the late George Carlin called “worker/consumer units”. The function of female worker/consumer units was to breed more worker/consumer units, and the function of male worker/consumer units was to produce (something or another) and kill and die to preserve the system that produced worker/consumer units.
At any rate, that’s my opinion. What do you think?

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Date Posted: 17:14:16 04/12/18 Thu

When I was younger my mom said the reason I had to be nude when I swam but my sister didn't had to do with girls periods? I always heard they didn't swim when they were on that! Who knows!
I personally feel the moms wanted their daughters to see penises so their curiosity didn't get their clothes off. If they got to see nude boys at the beach or at swim meets they didn't have to do the "show me yours and I'll show you mine" thing which usually lead to more sexual experimentation.
Some say the moms liked to provide their daughters a nude boy to see and experiment with. My older sister was my sitter and I was her toy for about 3 years, having my penis washed and washed over again by her and her girlfriends! The first time I remember erecting was durring a bath in front of 2 of her girlfriends and my first time ejaculating was in front of girls in my neighborhood as I was abused for their viewing pleasure.
It is hard to say what caused this division of the sexes but us boys got the shitty end of the stick!

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Date Posted: 13:11:41 03/28/18 Wed

I am a retired Fire Chief, 45 years service with various cities. I noticed this post a few days ago as I was following a political rant on Voy.com.
In the 50's boys were often encouraged to be strong and "be a man" about bad situations. We were headed to war as the Korean Conflict was upon us and soon the little things of high school would be replaced with real life happenings like seeing you friend get killed or fighting for your own life! There were "bigger fish to fry" as they used to say so people did as they were told, like fighting for your country or in this case swimming nude in front of girls.
I see there is a debate about the truth behind the nude swimming and if they had swim meets in front of women and girls. I was a big boy in school and asked by the coach to play football. I never swam competitively so my first hand experience is weak. I am not sure if there were erections or if the boys enjoyed being seen in the nude.I do know that Jeff is correct about the practices as some of the swimmers who played football too did say they would swim nude and the part about the families attending was also true but there is a little point I need to clear up for you all.
Family attendance was how it was intended to to be. Not too many people attended the meets in the first place. At my school there was only room for a few spectators in the pool area, maybe 50 people at best! Most of these pools were antiquated and in constant need of repair, especially the filtration systems. Some of the schools were 100 years old! The newer schools did get better facilities for sports including large auditoriums for swimming.
The main reason I was told for boys swimming nude was that many of the boys were unsanitary and would leave wet suits over the weekend and there was a fear of bacteria growing in the trunks and contaminating the pools. The filtration was old and weak and did only a fair job of keeping the water fresh, but nothing like systems in the 70's.
The schools in our area lightened up about the "family only" part in my Junior year as there were so few attending. Some folks wanted to bring family friends or Aunts and Uncles, neighbors and eventually neighbor girls or sisters friends as stated in many of these posts. As I mentioned earlier a few of the swimmers were on the football team and they spoke about how thing had changed.
They were uncomfortable about people attending and seeing them nude but in that time you did as you were told! If you made a scene about something or caused a ruckus at school you were labeled as a "trouble maker" or worse yet a "sissy" or a "cry baby". It was easier to deal with it and move on.
Remember, America was at war and making soldiers out of boys just out of high school was very important. The draft was still enforced and you could spend time in jail for disobeying the government. Worse yet you were labeled "anti-American" and there was little worse than that!
They wanted us tough and strong and callous, not modest! Having boys nude in front of others was a way to strip our modesty, and make men out of us, quickly.
As for a "kinkier" society, remember, there was skinny dipping in front of girls. Boys often swam nude at scouting events with family and friends present. There were boys who swam nude at the beach and on lakes. And don't forget the boys running nude in front of girls in suits under sprinklers.
That stuff really happened! I wouldn't say "kinkier", more like innocent. They saw nothing wrong with it. Girls were care givers ONLY at that time. They would soon be raising sons of their own so who cared if the saw a penis?
Was that a double standard? To me sending boys off to war was more of a double standard. I had friends who never made it home from war! People got over being seen nude!
We live in a different time now. Different priorities are upheld. Different things are important to our society now so please don't be too quick to judge what went on in the past.

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