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Subject: Re: Female spectators at nude swim meets

Captain Kirk
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Date Posted: 13:11:41 03/28/18 Wed
In reply to: Richard Dudgeon 's message, "Re: Female spectators at nude swim meets" on 18:08:45 03/27/18 Tue

I am a retired Fire Chief, 45 years service with various cities. I noticed this post a few days ago as I was following a political rant on Voy.com.
In the 50's boys were often encouraged to be strong and "be a man" about bad situations. We were headed to war as the Korean Conflict was upon us and soon the little things of high school would be replaced with real life happenings like seeing you friend get killed or fighting for your own life! There were "bigger fish to fry" as they used to say so people did as they were told, like fighting for your country or in this case swimming nude in front of girls.
I see there is a debate about the truth behind the nude swimming and if they had swim meets in front of women and girls. I was a big boy in school and asked by the coach to play football. I never swam competitively so my first hand experience is weak. I am not sure if there were erections or if the boys enjoyed being seen in the nude.I do know that Jeff is correct about the practices as some of the swimmers who played football too did say they would swim nude and the part about the families attending was also true but there is a little point I need to clear up for you all.
Family attendance was how it was intended to to be. Not too many people attended the meets in the first place. At my school there was only room for a few spectators in the pool area, maybe 50 people at best! Most of these pools were antiquated and in constant need of repair, especially the filtration systems. Some of the schools were 100 years old! The newer schools did get better facilities for sports including large auditoriums for swimming.
The main reason I was told for boys swimming nude was that many of the boys were unsanitary and would leave wet suits over the weekend and there was a fear of bacteria growing in the trunks and contaminating the pools. The filtration was old and weak and did only a fair job of keeping the water fresh, but nothing like systems in the 70's.
The schools in our area lightened up about the "family only" part in my Junior year as there were so few attending. Some folks wanted to bring family friends or Aunts and Uncles, neighbors and eventually neighbor girls or sisters friends as stated in many of these posts. As I mentioned earlier a few of the swimmers were on the football team and they spoke about how thing had changed.
They were uncomfortable about people attending and seeing them nude but in that time you did as you were told! If you made a scene about something or caused a ruckus at school you were labeled as a "trouble maker" or worse yet a "sissy" or a "cry baby". It was easier to deal with it and move on.
Remember, America was at war and making soldiers out of boys just out of high school was very important. The draft was still enforced and you could spend time in jail for disobeying the government. Worse yet you were labeled "anti-American" and there was little worse than that!
They wanted us tough and strong and callous, not modest! Having boys nude in front of others was a way to strip our modesty, and make men out of us, quickly.
As for a "kinkier" society, remember, there was skinny dipping in front of girls. Boys often swam nude at scouting events with family and friends present. There were boys who swam nude at the beach and on lakes. And don't forget the boys running nude in front of girls in suits under sprinklers.
That stuff really happened! I wouldn't say "kinkier", more like innocent. They saw nothing wrong with it. Girls were care givers ONLY at that time. They would soon be raising sons of their own so who cared if the saw a penis?
Was that a double standard? To me sending boys off to war was more of a double standard. I had friends who never made it home from war! People got over being seen nude!
We live in a different time now. Different priorities are upheld. Different things are important to our society now so please don't be too quick to judge what went on in the past.

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