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Subject: Girls Swimming Topless With Boys


Author:
Anton
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Date Posted: 07:23:45 12/08/20 Tue

I feel like women shouldn't have to cover their breasts if they don't want to but i know little girls shouldn't have to cover their chests before they even begin to develop

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[> Subject: Re: Girls Swimming Topless With Boys


Author:
spelvin (to Anton)
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Date Posted: 07:50:13 12/08/20 Tue

There are at least a few girls who would agree with you:

trulyblessed26 explained all the rules of modesty to her 4-year-old daughter, and the daughter understood all of the rules except one: why do girls have to wear shirts if boys don’t?

She wanted to change genders for that reason, but that was not an option. The mother tried several approaches. “Because God made boys and girls different and women have breasts where boys don’t.” She comments, “It is just plain illegal for girls to not wear shirts where men don’t have to.”

https://simplycharlottemason.com/scmforum/topic/modesty-for-a-4-year-old-and-why-boys-dont-have-to-wear-shirts/

Was the girl merely going through a phase? Probably not. Listen to what Helen has to say:

"We played a boys v girls basketball match once a year outside in either spring /summer. Part of the fun was making boys go topless. I did envy the boys going topless for PE, it just looked totally natural for them to be. I didn't begin to show until I was nearly 16 and could have played as a skin though my ponytail may have given me away."

http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?id=1607&offset=0&sort=0&l1=Childhood&l2=
(August 22, 2019)

Barbara (2015a, 2015b, 2015c, 2015d) was a veritable gymnosophist. When she was 12 years old, she was permitted to attend girls’ phys ed class nude after bringing a permission slip from her mother. Since male toplessness constitutes seminudity, she wondered why so many boys “were so bothered” about the subject. In fact, when boys attended phys ed class shirtless, she was “really quite jealous.”

(That's exactly how I feel when I read about nude swim meets on this forum.)

Until Barbara developed, she remained topless when attending phys ed class outdoors, when on a camping trip, and when riding bikes with boys in the neighborhood.

http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?offset=500&sort=0&l1=Childhood&l2=&id=1602
(April 18, 19, 20, 21, 2015)


[> Subject: Re: Girls Swimming Topless With Boys


Author:
Carol
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Date Posted: 08:53:45 12/08/20 Tue

Before my breasts began to develop I swam topless all the time. My parents saw no need to give me a top for swimming because their was no physical difference of my chest until 11 to a boys's chest. And at school girls could play topless when we had a game skins versus shirts. I often played in the skins team. So it took some time when my breasts began to develop to convince me to wear a top. Even today I like to be topless.
[> [> Subject: Re: Girls Swimming Topless With Boys


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Observer
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Date Posted: 16:24:11 12/08/20 Tue

I think this extreme prudishness is only an American thing.
I have been to several European public beaches and it was common to see girls of all ages, including women, swimming and sunbathing topless on the sand, all very openly and no one seemed to care.
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Carol
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Date Posted: 19:36:27 12/08/20 Tue

That seems to be right. When I hear from Americans they even have a problem to let walk around a four year old topless in public. In Europe there is no problem to let a girl that age be naked at beach. At topless is no problem for females of all ages. I am glad to live in a really free world.
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Joe
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Date Posted: 12:08:38 12/11/20 Fri

Holidaying in France as a kid I saw this all the time. Many French girls, even in their teens with brests were topless at the beach or in swimming pools.

We went on holiday with my friend's family and his older sister and her friend both went topless after a while, most summers. We swam with them all day like that.
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Observer to Carol
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Date Posted: 14:22:00 12/11/20 Fri

Do you live in a European country or just visited there?
I was on holiday in France and Italy in the 80s and yes it was not uncommon to see both boys and girls up to about age 7 naked on the beach.
It was the norm at that time for girls and women to swim and sunbathe topless on beaches in both countries. But from what others who have been there recently told me it is not so common these days.
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Carol
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Date Posted: 13:40:58 12/12/20 Sat

Yes, I live in Austria. Well, we have no big beaches but at the local lakes you can see the younger kids naked and the older girls and women still topless.
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To carol
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Date Posted: 13:57:31 12/12/20 Sat

Did you observe the trend (like I did in south Germany) that between age 7 and 10 girls usually still keep at least panties on while boys go totally naked?
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Carol
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Date Posted: 15:38:26 12/12/20 Sat

Yes, there seems that trend that girl between 7 and 10 wear panties and boys the same age go naked. Seems okay for the boys but I don't understand it. Why not treat them equally?
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To carol
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Date Posted: 16:17:14 12/12/20 Sat

Well, I happened to be one of these boys in my time too.
You said in a previous post that you started wearing a top around 11. Until what age did you go fully naked at the beach (of you ever did). I guess as a girl you were given panties earlier than me.
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Carol
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Date Posted: 03:51:59 12/13/20 Sun

Did you belong to the boys who had to swim naked while girls were clothed? At what age and how did you feel about it? When boys and girls are equally clothed ore naked they don't mind until one group has to be nude. I started wearing a top at 11 but went topless occasionally at the lake. I was given panties at 8 but did swim naked now and then until 10.
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Curious to Carol
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Date Posted: 04:13:33 12/13/20 Sun

You say that girls between 7 and 10 wear panties and boys the same age go naked.
Did you and the other girls enjoy seeing the boys naked?

What about schools, do they have naked swimming?
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To carol
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Date Posted: 11:31:03 12/13/20 Sun

Yes, I swam and played naked on the beach ans probably started feeling about it around 9.
I actually was given or rather let to be in underwear but as it wasn't very practical to play in wet sand, I was made to remove it by my parents and so finally still played naked while girls same age as me were all in swimsuits.
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Carol
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Date Posted: 12:35:40 12/13/20 Sun

Underwear at the beach is on practical. When wet clinging awfully and the sand gets in so easy. Swim trunks would have been better when you didn't like to be nude. As long as I was nude boys never had a problem to be nude in my presence.
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To carol
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Date Posted: 13:39:33 12/13/20 Sun

You are right about how unpractical underwear could be at the beach. This is one of the reasons why I complied so easily when y mother made me remove it to stay nude.
Until certain age though swim trunks were not considered essential for us boys.
I guess it's probably true that I felt more at ease naked than in underwear at some point.
You said that as long as you were nude boys never had a problem to be nude in your presence. Does it mean that you saw some boys showing signs of discomfort when they were naked and you in swimsuit?
Reversely did you ever happen to have the reflex to cover your "front" with your hand in some uncomfortable situations?

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Carol to Curious
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Date Posted: 10:52:38 12/13/20 Sun

That is a bit of misunderstanding. I said I see a trend that boys between 7 and 10 go naked while girls are clothed. Sometimes it is cute but I never really understand this one side nuditiy and the phrases of protecting girl's modesty while it is not necessary for boys. When we swam nude we all did.

In school we never swam nude. Girls swam topless until 9 or 10. But when we began to develop breast we were required to wear a top.


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