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Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Shay (addressing all the comments)
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Date Posted: 06:32:08 06/16/21 Wed
In reply to: Shay 's message, "Re: CFNM scenes in the movies" on 06:31:00 06/09/21 Wed

Everyone here is projecting their American puritanism onto other cultures by assuming embarrassment by the boys or by the need for the filmmaker to coerce nudity. It;s similar to the thread about the Japanese fundoshi, and the assumption that the boys are embarrassed or that girls get delight from looking. Once again, it's projecting American puritanism onto different cultures. When a practice is commonplace in a culture, outsiders may find it interesting or shocking, but it's mundane to those of that culture.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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Charlene
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Date Posted: 16:19:49 06/16/21 Wed

You are speaking of american puritanism and assume that all are Americans here. I don't think so. Well, in some cfnm scenes it might be true. But most of these movies are not american productions. If they were you would see no nude boys.It is okay for american movies to show a dozen shot people in one minute but you will see no nude boy or other nude people. You can see that more in scandinavian or russian productions. I can not speak for the asian culture but in most european countries it is common that siblings see each other nude without embarrassment. When it goes outside the family and in a more involantary situation it is something different. Then you find embarrassment on one side and delight on the other. But this is more a game of power from one individual over the other.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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spelvin
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Date Posted: 16:37:21 06/16/21 Wed

I know of one US movie which shows nude children:
Blue Lagoon.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Charlene
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Date Posted: 17:16:31 06/16/21 Wed

Well, that is one movie made 40 years ago. And as far as I remember you didn't see much.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 19:37:00 06/16/21 Wed

Charlene is right, American censors are hard on underage nudity, which is almost impossible to see in today's American movies, while they are loose on violence in movies even in children's movies.
European countries are the contrary, they are very tough on violence in movies but loose on nudity including underage nudity.
One can say the same for Asian and South American countries.

The American movie that Spelvin mentions is one of a very few exceptions, but which is common in foreign movies.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
spelvin
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Date Posted: 21:53:49 06/16/21 Wed

I forgot where I saw this--
it might have been in this forum--
but I thought the European Union decided to outlaw nude children in movies in recent years.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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Charlene
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Date Posted: 23:04:05 06/16/21 Wed

I don't know about this. The European Union decided many things. But I think it concerns only scenes which were in a sexual context.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Charlene
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Date Posted: 23:05:34 06/16/21 Wed

And the Union has no influence on productions from outside the Union.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 23:19:56 06/16/21 Wed

It is possible because the liberals are now taking over in Europe like they did in the US.
It is ironic that it was the liberals that brought in this nudity scare and ban on nudity, especially underage nudity.
In the very conservative America before the 70s it was common for boys to swim nude at school, at camps, at the YMCA and other places, but when the liberals started taking over this ended and was all banned.

It is still the conservative and traditional countries that still have these customs, like the fundoshi in Japan or South American countries that still produce movies with innocent boy nudity in them.
For example there was an Argentinian movie produced last year or two years ago about boys in a reformatory that has several scenes of boy nudity in it. But I don't think that this will be shown in American theaters although it is very popular in that country.
I will try and find the link because someone uploaded it on a video site.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Shay to Charlene
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Date Posted: 01:04:38 06/17/21 Thu

The point was that people should stop projecting their cultural mindset onto others. Naked kids in 1940's-1980's films from Northern Europe would not have needed coercion to be naked, would not have been embarrassed, and there would be no delight by the opposite sex who are present.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:45:08 06/17/21 Thu

Charlene is right
I don't think that it is impossible in a european country to have a scene of children or tennagers nudity under 16 age as long as it is not sexually explicit or it might be a movie about incest for instance and the nudity must be very discreet.

But we can see under age persons, especially boys naked under showers in a group shower at school or at a juvenile institution, reformatory school and so long, or at physical examinations or changing from clothes after sport and so on ..


[> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Darrell
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Date Posted: 01:36:22 06/17/21 Thu

This is true, many films from Germany and France saw nothing wrong with male nudity! In many films it was used as a comic relief showing a man or boys penis as a practice joke or a segue into a funny situation. Full frontal nudity was a tool in flims to break up a serious moment or set the scene for a comical event in many films.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:49:34 06/17/21 Thu

"Darell" You are also right
male nudity in french or other european movies like Germany, even that of boys and male teenagers, can be used like a comical situation !
I have seen it several times in movies.

I posted again my message which was above for Charlene
she is right
I don't think that it is impossible in a european country to have a scene of children or tennagers nudity under 16 age as long as it is not sexually explicit or it might be a movie about incest for instance and the nudity must be very discreet.

But we can see under age persons, especially boys naked under showers in a group shower at school or at a juvenile institution, reformatory school and so long, or at physical examinations or changing from clothes after sport and so on ..
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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Craig
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Date Posted: 11:23:53 06/17/21 Thu

I personally wouldn't want my son being nude for a film but I know not all parents are the same. It is more acceptable for a boy than a girl for obvious reasons.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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Observer
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Date Posted: 12:39:58 06/17/21 Thu

It is true that these boy nudity and embarrassment scenes are often used for humor in these movies, like the one showing the nude boys being hosed down in front of the girl. Or the one with the girls spying on the boys in the shower and many others.

Here is another French movie from 2010 about boys in a reform/boarding school.
In the first scene at 2m40s a boy of about 12 is shown being bathed standing up in a small tub by a woman.
In the other one at 41m the boys are bathed one by one by their female teacher behind a low screen after being told to take their pants down. The boys don't seem to be comfortable about it while she is washing their front parts and butts which is also a humorous scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTlMuStuPok&list=PLKNIw2PlQzQUHGProPY_Rsa077E3xTAiU&index=68
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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Charlene to Observer
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Date Posted: 14:05:35 06/17/21 Thu

It was not really a humorous scene when the female teacher washed the boys. Seemed more a routine procedure to me. And the boys seemed used to it.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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Observer to Charlene
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Date Posted: 15:53:11 06/17/21 Thu

I meant it was funny for those watching the movie.
I'm sure that it and similar movies are somehow based on true events about young boys in such boarding and reform schools.
So I agree that it was probably a routine procedure for the boys in such institutions in these countries, especially in the past.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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Karen
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Date Posted: 14:38:44 06/17/21 Thu

Over the past 10 years films have moved away from gratuitous female nudity to gratuitous male nudity.
Seeing a man full frontal nude does tend to be a humorous anecdote portraying the penis as almost a comical character.
I found using boy full frontal nudity as depicting innocence showing a hairless penis flaccid or semi erect!
I have watched my share of European films and they do tend to use male nudity more frequently than American films do.
What does surprise me is the flagrant used of boy nudity even when not needed. It was mostly used to excite female viewers, mostly girls wanting a gander at a penis or two.
I feel it was put there to interest girls to watch the movie! Male nudity is more accepted in Europe but it seems that America is following suit and is not that far behind!
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Doug
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Date Posted: 15:01:17 06/17/21 Thu

You are right Karen. Here in Europe, step by step, there are always less female nudity while male nudity is in high rise.
And not only in movies but in commercials too!
It start embarassing me... for the joy of my sister and my female friends.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 15:27:35 06/17/21 Thu

There is no doubt that it is the girls and female viewers that are going to enjoy these male nudity scenes, not so much for the boys especially if they are watching the movie in front of their sisters or friends, or in a cinema theater full of girls who come to watch the movie just for these scenes.

Here is a recent movie from Argentina (2020) with several boy nudity scenes as at 51:50 and at 1:15:00
http://ok.ru/video/2634695445075
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Craig
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Date Posted: 19:03:25 06/17/21 Thu

Nudity of both sexes needs to stop. It is merely there for the entertainment of opposite sex viewers.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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CHeyrus
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Date Posted: 21:46:18 06/17/21 Thu

Karen is correct. A coworker returned from a European vacation and said his daughters got a very explicit education watching TV while over there.
Even though they didn't understand the language the girls who are 8 and 10 enjoyed seeing boys without clothes on. He told us that they show penises on TV and his girls were tickled to death seeing the boys naked and totally exposed!
He said as far as he could tell there were no erections shown but dicks and ball sacks were easy to point out!
There was little if anything was left to the girls imagination as their penises were shown as if purposefully included in the program!
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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Karen
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Date Posted: 21:25:40 06/17/21 Thu

There is a world wide feminist movement going on and viewing penises has become very exciting with women/girls and the Gay community. An article in a Psychology periodical about 3 years ago proposed full frontal male nudity on TV both on comnercials and mainstream programing stating that they needed to even things out for all the female nudity in the 70s and 80s! Today's women want boys and men to pay shamefully for the humiliation girls suffered from those bygone years. Many claim they were humiliated by the gratuitous female nudity as young girls seeing it on Cinemax, HBO and video tapes! The story stated that by 2023 there would be total male nudity on TV and in movies with females fully dressed. (CFNM) Now seeing the upswing in CFNM in males today it seems that this may be possible! Seeing the upsurge in female directors and producers I have to say the writing is defineatly on the wall! It looks as if exopliting males with total male full frontal nudity is just around the corner! History is cyclical!
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: CFNM must become the norm


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Jeff
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Date Posted: 22:05:09 06/17/21 Thu

Bring on female power.

Of course I wouldn't be interested in seeing naked males but as a CFNM affacionado I would love to see naked males under the power and supervision of well dressed women, whether on TV, commercials, movies or in real life.

And since this board is about innocent nudity why not also bring back nude swimming for boys in front of girls, at school and everywhere else. This will make girls get used to dominate and control males from a young age.

I'm all in favor of the feminist movement as long as it involves CFNM even if it is forced nudity.

We could also have a better world if it is run by women. Men are only interested in conflict and aggression and violence. So this could be the future of mankind if it is to survive and live in peace by keeping males under control and women in charge. Many are beginning to realize this, not just the feminist movement.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM must become the norm


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Louis
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Date Posted: 22:53:24 06/17/21 Thu

Well, no offense to Karen but I wouldn't be marking any calenders over her post! First, that article was printed 3 years ago and second, America is still too prudish to be showing nude boy's and men on TV simply for the gratification of girls and women!
Today's women are much bolder and demanding, understood! But not to burst anyone's bubble, I don't see that happening in 2023, or 2025, or even 2028 to be honest. Not in this culture!
Making boys swim nude in this day and age is not going to happen overnight. Hell, you can't even get them to shower with other boys let alone having girls check out their peckers! The boys of today are not going to just take off their pants and show girls their bodies! Believe what you want but it will be a long time before it happens here!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM must become the norm


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JustMe
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Date Posted: 15:33:25 08/18/21 Wed

I am not so sure of that, I have seen a couple of movies on commercial TV that I was pleasantly surprised with.
China is pointing to Afghanistan and is telling Taiwan and other nations that the United States will not help them.
One was "Holloman" where a man makes himself invisible. You can see him on heat vision and of course when he is invisible, he has to be naked. (must have been nice for the female cast at those times) Anyway, he was watching a woman who was shown topless in her room but on TV they blurred her breast out (and rightly so)

However there were several times in which they showed him and you could clearly see his genitals, even has his testicles and penis were swinging back and forth. They showed this clearly

There was one other one that had a naked male (he was blue)but I can not remember the name but this commercial TV station did not blur his penis and testicles out.

So there is hope that we will see a lot of full frontal totally naked males while they are keeping women and girls fully dressed.




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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM must become the norm


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Just Me to Jeff
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Date Posted: 23:48:16 09/17/21 Fri

Jeff said "bring back nude swimming for boys in front of girls, at school and everywhere else. This will make girls get used to dominate and control males from a young age."

I agree 100%. I know a lot of men and women who were brought up in a CFNM where the males were naked while all the girls (and a lot of their girlfriends who came over) were dressed and it didn't hurt any of us. Most of the males are still practicing CFNM in their own homes.

I also know I get a lot of flack some here on this board for saying I do believe women are the superior gender but at least I have the balls to admit it. I think CFNM reinforces that and I have almost always seen that naked males behave a lot better when with clothed women or should I say males behave been with women when the males are naked and the ladies dressed. I agree, bring it on.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Mauro
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Date Posted: 02:55:04 06/20/21 Sun

I think you are right Karen. In Europe the feminist movement teach at the females they have the right to equalize the score. In the past there were a lot of female nudity on movies and commercials and now they want a sort of revenge. I know a lot of females who love to see our embarassment (and shame) while we just have to let them stare at a lot of situations where they can see male nudity. They think it's the just revenge for the shame and embarassment they lived years ago.
To add more embarassment seems they love to make a lot of "teasing" comments when movies or commercials shown male nudity.
Things changed very fast in the recent years and I can't see so unreal the goal you told about the male nudity on TV from 2023.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
spelvin
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Date Posted: 22:27:46 06/17/21 Thu

I would like to see nudity, both in fact and in fiction,
increased until it's not even exciting anymore.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
Colin
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Date Posted: 23:49:25 06/17/21 Thu

Nudity is going to be less common as opposed to more common as the years go on. When I was thirteen I was examined by a female doctor in readiness for my circumcision and I still think that would have made for a great film scene one day. It's not going to happen though. Kids are protected, not exposed, now.
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Observer to Colin
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Date Posted: 00:24:19 06/18/21 Fri

I disagree. Cultures and fashions can change overnight.
For example who would have thought that the miniskirt for girls and women would come into fashion all of a sudden in the sixties when girls and women were used to wearing long skirts to below the knees or long pants?
It started in England and quickly spread to the rest of the world, including in the US, at about the same time when the Beatles revolutionized music.
The same with nudity when boys were used to swimming naked while girls wore modest swimsuits which gradually changed to boys wearing swimsuits and girls wearing tiny bikinis and even topless.
So don't be too sure because anything can change.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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Observer to Spelvin
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Date Posted: 00:40:34 06/18/21 Fri

You make a good point. When nudity becomes common for everyone it ceases to be exciting.
One can see this from African or Amazon tribes who are always naked and it doesn't seem to excite anyone among them.
One can also see this from the examples given in places like the Philippines where the boys swim naked together with the girls in clothing and is not a big deal for any of them, including the girls.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


Author:
jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 18:41:15 06/18/21 Fri

to "observer"

I find like others that the second scene of nudity of boys being washed by a woman supervisor one by in a french movie of 2010 ( I have not seen it in movies theaters nor at television ) was not really comic or humorous like it was shown, too much a routine task for the woman, and nothing was made to make us laugh like if the boys were lining up in the nude in a close queue when she called the next or if she gave each boy a slap on his butt when she had finished, she seemed to have no pleasure at all to wash them like if it was a very boring task and she did not tell them even to remove their trousers not only to pull them down ..
I doubt that even a female audience could find that scene humorous ?

I am more surprised by the argentinian movie of 2020, I do not know it !
The second scene where the boys are naked is rather long and it is rather funny to see many of them of all ages, and a few ones rather old like 14 -15 age, shown mainly by back with wet and shing buttocks but also sometimes frontally playing naked on the wet floor, slipping and laughing.

I presume that a female audience watching that scene would enjoy it.
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Just Me
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Date Posted: 23:50:51 09/17/21 Fri

At least one of the boys appeared to have pubic hair.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: CFNM scenes in the movies


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Petronela (Curious)
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Date Posted: 21:11:42 06/18/21 Fri

You're right Karen. There is more and more male nudity in European movies! They are often aimed at young audiences, especially female audiences. They are usually German or Scandinavian productions.
An example is the German Tiger girl 2017. Male actors lose their clothes several times in it. This happens, unfortunately for them, in the company of dressed actresses. Girls even go as far as deception to see a naked man. Posing as security workers, they force the shop's customer to undress. They enjoy the front and rear views of him and run away with his clothes.
There are more and more naked guys in the commercials as well. For example, the Dutch Suistudio uses them in advertising clothes for women. The advertising slogan is "We don't dress men". In fact, the photos show elegant women and nude male models.
I read in the newspaper that a male stripper performed twice during the Swedish Feminist Party congress. The chairwoman in a press interview said that the performance was performed twice "so that everything could be watched carefully!"
Europe is further on male nudity than the US.
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Mauro
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Date Posted: 03:11:19 06/20/21 Sun

I agree with you Petronela. I saw the "Tiger girl" movie with some friends (guys and girls)... and some scenes are very exciting for the girls (and a bit embarassing for us males).
Time ago a female coworker also shown us the note (from a newspaper) about the stripper at the Swedish Feminist Party congress. She, smirking, said us we better prepare ourself because she think that's the future that is coming for us...
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Markus
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Date Posted: 02:16:18 06/19/21 Sat

Jeff and a few others have said they would like to see CFNM be common. Not in those exact words, but that's the gist of it. I'll just say this: Don't involve children in sexual fetishes. CFNM, by its nature, involves force and/or humiliation. Imposing this on children is abusive. If any of you, as adults, want to subject yourselves to CFNM, that's your personal business. Anyone who advocates imposing this on children has crossed a line, because that's no longer your personal business. You're now trying to impose a sexual fetish on another person. Specifically, children.
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Angus
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Date Posted: 17:46:01 06/20/21 Sun

i agree with Markus
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Author:
jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 09:52:10 06/22/21 Tue

I have never seen in a french movie or european a scene of nudity of boys and male pre-teenagers which was so long as the second one of the argentinian movie and with so close views of shining and wet buttocks and genitals of boys.

But I recognize thatr it is shown as a comical scene where the boys are unruly!
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Author:
Sharon
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Date Posted: 16:33:31 08/18/21 Wed

I have a friend who is a writer in Hollywood and she says that male nudity is a non-issue in movies today. It is also allowed in PG movies as long as it is "non-sexual" nudity.
Female nudity is still rated "R" and has been discouraged to be used in movies. She said that Women 35 to 45 are the highest paid group and movie scripts are to be designed for their interests. This is evident in many movies being produced with female leads.
She also said that male nudity is now being used to intise females into watching a movie. Showing an occational penis in a movie is not considered in bad taste but seen as culturally stimulating! The lack of female nudity is now looked as a step forward against pornography coming out of Hollywood. Male nudity however is not considered as pornographic.
She also said that it is estimated that in 10 years male nudity will soon be allowed on American TV. This is echoed by German, French and to some extent British TV accepting male nudity and allowing it on their TV.
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Jason to Sharon
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Date Posted: 16:43:46 08/18/21 Wed

That is interesting Sharon. Indeed that seems to be the trend! This is definitely a shift from when I was growing up as a teenager, there was no (or very, very rare) male nudity in movies, whereas female nudity was omnipresent to "sell" movies. There was a lot of "gratuitous" female nudity (if that is the correct word), meaning showing naked women just for the sake of it, not because it brought anything meaningful to the story. For example shower scenes in horror movies.
They used to show movies with female nudity every week on a local TV station (no cable required!) and I would look forward to watching them and waiting for those 2 or 3 scenes. Sometimes it was really random, like a woman getting out of bed and walking naked to the bathroom, but in any case we got to see everything that made her female. Most female nudity in regular mainstream movies was just their boobs, but in those movies there was always full frontal nudity. It was only 2 or 3 scenes out of the whole movie, but they were worth it!
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JustMe to Sharon
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Date Posted: 16:50:15 08/18/21 Wed

I would love for any movie that had naked females to be rated X while any movie with naked males could be rated G even if they are naked for the whole movie.

Have movies featuring the swim teams in the past where the boys were naked and the girls in suits for example.
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Author:
spelvin (to JustMe)
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Date Posted: 01:56:52 08/19/21 Thu

Wouldn't it be wonderful if they had home video cameras in that day?
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Observer to Spelvin
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Date Posted: 12:48:26 08/19/21 Thu

They did not have home video cameras in those days but film movie cameras with 8mm and Super 8 film were very popular and many families had them in the 60s.

However I am curious if cameras of any kind were allowed among the spectators during nude swim meets.
There seems to be agreement among some posters that say that the only photography allowed was by a chosen official photographer who usually took group photos of the competing teams and no more, which were later sold for family albums.
I remember a poster who said that he still has a photo of him and two other boys at age 11 standing naked on the podium after the meet with their winning medals around their neck which his mom bought for the family album.


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