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Subject: Girl talk about seeing nude boys!


Author:
Virginia
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Date Posted: 18:27:50 12/03/18 Mon

Let's start a post about seeing nude boys when we were young and what we enjoyed the most about it!

When I was 8 I saw my neighbor boy nude when we swam in his pool. I got to see him get hard and often watched his foreskin retract as it stuck straight out.
He pretty much got hard every time we swam together and I usually got to watch his foreskin pull back exposing his tip! His mom and my mom were best friends so I went swimming over there a lot. I got all tingly inside when mom would say to put on my suit we were going over. I never tired of watching his foreskin slide off the tip and seeing his penis go hard. I usually giggled at him when it happened seeing it move around and then stand straight up.
At that age I had no idea what was going on and I simply found it interesting seeing it all happen like that. I knew he would get embarrassed when we ate and he had to stand there nude and all hard! I loved knowing I could see his but he couldn't see mine. It was so exciting when we went over to visit!

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Jeepman89
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Date Posted: 21:49:37 12/03/18 Mon

Virginia, how old was the boy?
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Virginia
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Date Posted: 15:46:23 12/04/18 Tue

Tommy was 2 years older than I was. I teased him about getting to see his penis and eventually teased him about getting hard and seeing his "little hood" slip off his tip! I know it embarrassed him when I teased him about his nudity but it was exciting knowing how embarrassed he got. I saw his penis get really hard and bounce around a lot!
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ken
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Date Posted: 21:00:20 06/23/19 Sun

My dad swam naked at swim meets and that is how he met my mom. She saw him naked a lot for several years before he saw her even without top on. It was normal for girls to be able to see totally naked males while we could not see them in any state of undress. It was that way all the time I grew up too and I enjoyed it that way. It was normal for me to be naked in front of sisters and their girlfriends and I never though twice of trying to peek at them. I was in the bathroom getting ready to take a bath when my sister wanted to change shirts with a girl friend and rather then do it in front of me, I left the bathroom and went into the living room to give them privacy even though there were several other of her girlfriends in that room. Neither they nor I thought twice that I was totally naked. I love it that way.


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Pamela
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Date Posted: 21:59:04 12/03/18 Mon

Love this forum. When I was 11, there was a boy in our neighborhood who would get naked for us girls. His name was Phil and he was 14. He loved to get totally bare naked for us girls especially to see our reaction. WE played games with Phil in backyards, basements, garages and even the park. WE girls were anywhere from 8 to 12 years old and were so amazed that an older boy would be naked in front of us. He would get excited and always got a boner in front of us. WE even got him to shoot hois sperm which amazed all the girls. Fun times. WE did this with Phil for a few years in fact.
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Annie
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Date Posted: 16:11:05 12/04/18 Tue

Back when I was 9 my 12 year old brother and 6 year old sister went to visit my grandmother over the summer. Joey was always getting into trouble and he found a way to get poison ivy on his penis.
The only treatment was for him to have calimine lotion dabbed on it and air it out.
My grandmother would dab the lotion on then let him stay in her bedroom behind closed doors until it dried. I guess he wasn't able to stay hard and the skin on his penis would bunch up not allowing it to dry. Grandma decided to dab Tommy in front of my sister and I then let us look at him until it dried. He was not happy but Grandma made him do it and Becky and I got to look right st his penis for about 40 minutes 2 times a day.
I really liked seeing Tommys penis all stiff and learned so much about how he would stiffen up as we watched. On the last day grandma let us dab the lotion on his penis allowing me to feel how stiff it really was.
I loved knowing so much about Tommys body and getting to see his penis get all stiff. We looked his penis over for a few days and I got to hold it as Grandma used her magnifying glass to look for more poison Ivy. When I held his tip he would squirm around saying it tickled!
I talked Grandma into looking for the poison ivy a few more times which made Tommy very upset and very embarrassed. I took some liberties by pulling back his foreskin and touching his ball sack "helping" her look for more poison Ivy!
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Margaret
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Date Posted: 00:46:20 12/06/18 Thu

You climaxed 3 times when you were 8? Where you a filthy girl or what?

Sorry, but I choose not to believe you.
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Margaret to Belinda & Annie
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Date Posted: 00:53:05 12/06/18 Thu

Sorry, the post should not have appeared under Annie's post.

Belinda, I don't believe you climaxed 3 times at 8 years of age.
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Belinda
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Date Posted: 13:00:02 12/06/18 Thu

That's fine Margaret, everyone has an opinion ...
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Marleen
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Date Posted: 14:13:08 12/14/18 Fri

My neighbor was only 6 or 7 and she had a very active self pleasuring/masturbation life. She often would roll her crotch against the edge of a round foot stool bringing her to climax multiple times. She was not ashamed by being seen doing this and her actions would display a wet spot on her clothing which was obviously her discharge from a very intense climax. I witnessed it multiple times when visiting her older sister and her mother was known to give her a good swat if she caught her doing "the habit" as we called it.
I don't see a problem with Belindas claims of sexual excitement and climaxing that many times!
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Belinda
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Date Posted: 20:18:46 12/05/18 Wed

When I was 8 my 12 year old cousin had to be circumcised because his erections caused him pain. For some odd reason my Aunt invited my sister and I to watch the circumcision.
I was excited knowing David would Backe nude from the waist down and I would get to see his penis. The night before we were all shown what would be done using David's penis.
His mother let him erect showing us why he would need the operation. His penis and testies were completely visible. We had already watched him grow erect then he put baby oil on his foreskin allowing the tip to slide thru before he fully erected.
He was nude for about half an hour remaining fully erect the entire time. His sister and brother were also there and his brother was very, very embarrassed that his brothers penis was exposed to us girls.
Of course we asked questions that my Aunt answered and David's face was very red as she used his penis to demonstraight different things for us.
I was terribly excited and aroused buy his exposure and aroused getting to see the things my Aunt showed us. I couldn't control my excitement crossing my legs and bending at the waist as I thought everyone knew how it was affecting me.
I found I couldn't take my eyes off his erection and was totally engrossed in his sexuality. It was so exciting getting to look at all he had. He was 4 years older than me but I was looking right at his erect penis!
We spent the night there and my sister and I talked all night to our cousins. I couldn't stop talking about David's penis and I noticed Gary, his brother, was very uncomfortable having me bring it up. His sister teased him saying his looked just like Davids and it stuck straight up just like David's did.
The next day at the Drs office the nurse was very friendly and while my Aunt was with the Dr. She showed us what they were going to do. We got to watch David erect again as she put the baby oil on his foreskin then she pointed to where they would cut it. I was again excited seeing his penis erect and watching the nurse slide his tip out before he got stiff.
David was obviously embarrassed and covered his face as we all got to look right at his erection. I got a really good look at it as it looked like it would burst right out of its skin leaving the tip a deep red color!
Soon after my Aunt and the Dr came in and the process began, David was so worried I got to see his erection shrink down as the preped him for the procedure. It was funny seeing his penis sift again and then the nurse took hold of it and the Dr inserted the tool and they simply cut the skin.
Even though I was excited about seeing his penis again I remember flinching when they cut him. He bleed but not like I thought it would. The nurse showed us what it would look like as David slowly erected again after the procedure was over.
Gary was completely embarrassed and didn't say a word the whole way home. Once there we all talked about it and I found myself aroused again. Being allowed to talk about his penis was really exciting and my Aunt was not shy about things like that. After his nap David had to have his bandages changed and we watched as he erected with out having to have the oil on it and pulled out before his fill erection. My heart was going at a thousand beats per minute as he watched me look at his erection. I looked at him then back at his erection then smiled at him seeing his erection as it throbbed from all the attention he was receiving.
Later that evening my mom stopped by to pick us up and my sister couldn't stop telling mom all David's penis did and how we saw him grow and stick straight up! I was so damp I just wanted to get home and shower. Once alone in the shower I found my tingle spot and climaxed 3 times. I am not sure if that was my aunts purpose for inviting us but I sure did appreciate it!
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Willy
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Date Posted: 23:39:51 12/05/18 Wed

Well Belinda that was quite the education you had.Your aunt and Mum perhaps saw it as a good education opportunity for you girls did you cousin agree to well model for you if so then good on him I see in issue.If he was forced that's not a good thing.Did you see any other boys nude.
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Belinda
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Date Posted: 12:53:28 12/06/18 Thu

Willy, my sincerest appologies! I was at another site and was blasted by millennial trolls about things like this never happening! A little sensitive I guess.
I had always wondered why my Aunt allowed us such opportunities seeing him nude and exposing him as much as she did. For such a personal experience I would have hoped my mom would not invite David or Gary to my first gyno exam!
My sister felt it had to do with either us not having brothers to experience the occational penis slip or she was wanting to toughen up Gary as he was a bit effeminate. Gary was really embarrassed. Watching the entire process and sharing David's shame as we got to see it all. There it was and we saw it all happen as Gary could do nothing but accept the shame of us knowing so much!
I had seen boys nude before but never had the education my Aunt provided us by showing him erect and seeing his foreskin slide back. The question answering with David's penis right there to look at stretched to its limit as we learned about so many boy secrets was very helpful. You have no idea of the excitement I experienced seeing him that exposed and in all honesty, experiencing the embarrassment the boys went through. There was a thrill knowing that David was so completely embarrassed as we observed his penis and learned about his very humiliating flaw. Also having Gary right there as us girls saw so much about the male form just added to the excitement. Knowing he saw us see David erect and watched as they pulled his tip thru his foreskin was thrilling to say the least. By showing us why he needed circumcised my Aunt actually included us in his shame. We saw it and knew of the problem along with seeing his penis and watching it erect! We experienced his embarrassment and shared his erection as it happened so many times. My sister told me that those few days were the single most exciting days of her life as a young girl and truthfully I would have to agree! To this day I can still close my eyes and still see him embarrass as we got To see him totally nude.
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Willy
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Date Posted: 18:51:59 12/06/18 Thu

No problem Belinda did you ever see Gary nude.Are you sure David didn't agree to model for you.Don't get me wrong I nave no issue with you getting such a quality education I just find it hard to believe your aunt could put on a show like this without some buy in from David.What did your Mum say to you about it.Sorry about all the questions.
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Jaquard
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Date Posted: 15:54:21 12/14/18 Fri

I'd be willing to bet that David was given no say in the matter and the aunt either instructed him strip or did it for him. (I.e. actually for the girls.)
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Jaquard
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Date Posted: 19:39:06 12/12/18 Wed

" For such a personal experience I would have hoped my mom would not invite David or Gary to my first gyno exam!"

I have never heard of a woman doing that. Many (?Most) seem to have no trouble exposing their sons to such embarrassment and even humiliation but would never expose their daughters. I suspect it's that they empathize with the daughters but can no empathize with their sons.
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Belinda
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Date Posted: 14:48:50 12/24/18 Mon

David was a sassy little boy and it was quite possible my aunt was simply putting him in his place. I don't feel David was involved in any of it. He was so totally embarrassed with a very red face and that look as if he were betrayed or set up for embarrassment!
As for Gary, I think he was simply a causality of the humiliation. It had to be rough on him watching us see his brothers penis and seeing what he looked like as he erected! I remember the excited feeling I had watching his foreskin get moved around ant then seeing his tip slide thru!
There was no doubt in my mind Gary was totally embarrassed having us there to see how it all worked, or in David's case, didn't work. He just stood there as we saw exactly what a penis looked like getting stiff! It was very educational as well as very exciting. I always found uncircumcised men attractive and enjoyed toying with the foreskin!
We never did see Gary nude. I guess he was OK with the way his foreskin retracted. We did talk about the entire experience years later and he admitted it was not fun for him to endure!
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Willy
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Date Posted: 19:07:58 12/24/18 Mon

A very fun and education experience for you and your sister I don't begrudge you for that but at the least David should of had so buy in.Over all do you think boys being nude in front of girls is fair.
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Belinda
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Date Posted: 15:14:58 12/25/18 Tue

It would not be fair knowing full well he was probably aching to see my private parts as I eyed him up. His mother provided us the opportunity and we enjoyed seeing his penis as it erected.
It is such an unbelievable experience for a girl when watching a boys penis erect. For one thing I was looking at a penis, secondly I was seeing it get erect and thirdly I was completely excited knowing how embarrassed he had to be knowing I was watching this all happen.
I can only imagine how humiliated he was as we saw exactly how his penis was messed up too. I know he was so ashamed that we were looking right at it and then saw the tip poke out. I mean this is a guys penis we are getting to look at. His mother made It seem clinical but I know it was all about looking right at his penis and knowing exactly what his looked like!
It was a trip for me to see him in anguish as I learned of his situation. I mean watching it erect was great but seeing the thing not working then watching as it was corrected all but took my breath away!!!
I did get "personally excited" from the enjoyment about both his nudity and his reaction to us watching! It was really hot being shown how his foreskin should have worked by his mom! That was one of those times where you pinch yourself to be sure you are not just dreaming!
The whole thing about getting to go and watch his circumcision was very exciting for me. Was it fair, I would have to say no, it was not.
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Willy
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Date Posted: 00:43:29 12/26/18 Wed

I meant boys being nude in front of girls in general.I have mentioned in previous posts that I my brother and boy cousin's swam nude in front of my sister's and cousin's and their friends we weren't forced to be nude but it was the way it was and we accepted being nude.For me being nude was a boy thing modesty was a girl thing.You were provided with an amazing experience which I have no problem with that you saw him nude I don't think was unfair.It was wrong his Mum didn't give him a choice in the matter that is the bit I see as unfair but he did well to model for you.
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Belinda
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Date Posted: 00:45:00 12/06/18 Thu

Willy, I detect a bit if skepticism in your words. I see that a lot on this site. It seems many of you have a difficult time realizing things were very different 64 years ago.
We were not always happy doing things we were told, it was not our choice. The ways were different, it was a simpler time.
I agree that it wasn't fair but it was they way things went.
Today's children feel they know everything but what they can not do iscacceptbthat things were not like they are today or even 40 years ago.
To answer your question David did not like letting us see him nude. He tried to perused his mother to change her mind. Penises were not sacred back then, some boys spent about a fifth of their lives nude in front of girls swimming, being bathed by babysitters or even allowing girls to learn about their differences.
Boys were supposed to be brave and strong, not to get upset that girls saw them nude.
Was it fair, no it wasn't. Did I make up those rules, no I didn't! It is just the way things were and in some countries still is! Sorry if this upset you but if you read some of these posts you will find I am not the only girl who looked at and enjoyed seeing male nudity as a young girl.
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Willy
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Date Posted: 03:24:58 12/06/18 Thu

Sorry Belinda not sure why you think I'll upset or skeptical of your post.If you read my boys nude girls clothed post I to was nude when swimming at home while girls wore modest 1 piece swimsuits and my coversation with Alex.I enjoyed being nude and accepted it was fair for myself and my male cousins to be nude while the girls remain clothes.I saw being nude as a boy thing while modesty was a girl thing.
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Willy
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Date Posted: 03:50:57 12/06/18 Thu

To finish my post Belinda the attitudes towards boys nudity when you were a girl aren't really that much different to my.It would have being a wonderful experience for you I have no issue with it and accept boys had no say in being nude in front of girls but perhaps some acceptance from your cousins about being off nude and erect isn't a bad thing either.Sorry about any
Misunderstanding.
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Ben
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Date Posted: 06:23:56 12/06/18 Thu

It was certainly different 50 or 60 years ago.
I was bathed by my aunt till age 12 when I stayed over at her house.
It was enbarrassing, especially if I got erect while she was bathing me. I often begged her to let me bathe by myself, but she refused until I was a little after 12.
She also spanked me bare sometimes till I was 13.

I also knew several other boys my age who were still bathed by their aunt, older sister or babysitter.
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Samantha
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Date Posted: 15:14:59 12/14/18 Fri

My brother got bathed a lot too but he also saw me nude sometimes

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Sue Parker (Shocked adn embarrassed)
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Date Posted: 18:05:27 12/28/18 Fri

I'm one of those girls who did not like seeing boys naked. When I was 12 I saw my 10 year old cousin Mike naked and was shocked and totally embarrassed by his nudity. I've been married for 35 years and I still cringe when I see my husband naked. I think the looks ridiculous naked and that his penis is the ugliest part of his body. I would be horrified to see another man naked. My younger sister is just the opposite, she loves being naked and seeing men naked if she can. When we visited her for weekend I caught her bring my husband a cup of coffee when he was in the bathroom getting ready to shower. She told me he looked great and but I was upset that she saw him and enjoyed it. He did admit that he enjoyed the fact that she like seeing him naked. She also flashed him a couple of times and I made sure that never happened again. I raised two sons but after the age of 6 I never saw them naked.

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Sue Benton
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Date Posted: 00:27:58 04/30/19 Tue

I remember the first time I went to my older brother's swim meet at the YMCA. I was expecting the boys to be wearing the normal nylon suits but when the boys walked out naked I was both shocked and delighted. I had seen my brother naked before but that was when he was 12. I was amazed at how my brother and the other boys looked. It was especially exciting to see the boys stand naked on the winner's stand in full view and then get to talk to them and congratulate them. There were probably 25 or so girls there as well as moms, a few brothers and one or two dads. None of the moms acted as if there was anything unusual about the boys all being naked and although the girls, like me, loved seeing the boys naked we tried to act as though it was normal. I was amazed that I could talk to boys I knew and they like my brother would stand there naked talking to me and other girls and didn't seemed to care at all that they were naked. Later at home I asked my brother how he felt about everyone seeing him naked. He said at first it was embarrassing but he got used to it and actually enjoyed it. My brother swam on the swim team all though high school so I got to see a lot of boys I knew naked. Some of them were embarrassed when they saw me later at school but most of them accepted being seen naked as just a part of being on the swim team.
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big bro (since then)
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Date Posted: 20:26:22 06/09/19 Sun

since you had seen your brother nude, and were open enough to ask him how he felt. did he ever just casually walk around naked at home like after a shower or going to the bathroom?

my sister once saw me naked. I had an erection. I was in my room and she came to wake me up, which was nice of her. she saw me naked.

like every now and then, she would be staring at me. she never brought it up. she never asked me. I'm pretty sure it was that one and only time she had ever seen me naked.

now as adults, she never has asked me. I'm not going to bring it up. I do have a cousin who once asked me if she could look at my penis. I screamed, "NO!" of course, I was only 10 at the time. she never asked me again.

but we didn't have a swim team either. you have seen your brother at swim meets, him and all his team mates. seems like nudity would be okay at home amongst brothers, sisters, and parents after that. I can only assume. seems like if you can be naked amongst strangers, if you could be naked amongst friends, seems like it would be more than okay to be naked among people you love the most such as Moms, Dads, brothers and sisters. seems like that would be a normal everyday thing.
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Donald
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Date Posted: 20:26:58 06/10/19 Mon

We had an in ground pool when I was young and boys had to swim totally nude. My 3 sisters enjoyed getting to see me nude and at first it was very, very embarrassing.
Of course I would erect and you know the girls would giggle and tease me about my penis growing. Nothing was ever said by my parents as my penis was totally on display to my sisters or any other girl there.
Often times the neighbor girls would get invited and they all enjoyed seeing my penis stiffen. The humiliation was horrifying as everything male about me was there for the girls to enjoy.
It took a little time but the humiliation soon was replaced by excitement. I would still erect but I enjoyed the girls attention to my penis and I looked forward to my sisters friends joining the swim.
The best was having someone swim with us for the first time. I would get all excited/embarrassed as she got to look right at my penis as it seemed impossible for her to stop. Even better was if a girls younger sister would tag along and see a nude boy for the first time. Having her fawn around after me where ever I went was exciting but knowing that mine was the first penis she had ever seen was right off the chain! I couldn't control myself fully erecting then throbbing like crazy as she simply stared at all that was different from her body!
My erection would stiffen to the max sometimes retracting my foreskin a little allowing everyone to see my tip. I could clearly hear the girls talking about my erection and my foreskin. Their comments about my penis made me tremble from the shame of being the subject of all their girl talk. It was my penis they were discussing and I was the only one nude! They would ask me if I was really that embarrassed or did my "wiener always stick up like that.The feeling of helplessness and total exposure would overwhelm me as every secret I had was now fully exposed!
The thrill of being seen nude would generate a sensation that would set me off allowing my penis to swell up and make the veins in my shaft bulge out. My erection would turn to a deep red almost purple as all the girls enjoyed my shame. They would tease me telling me my "wiener was sticking straight up" then giggle. It was that humiliation combined with total embarrassment that kicked in all the excitement and I would count the moments before heading to the bathroom for some personal releif.
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Veronica
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Date Posted: 12:01:10 06/17/19 Mon

Sue, that sounds a lot like my involvement with my 2 brothers at the YMCA. Both swam nude at practice and meets. Only family could attend the practices but anyone could pay to attend a meet getting to see 20 to 25 nude boys all they wanted.
I was not the only girl at practice seeing them nude and some of the boys would erect as we watched. We agreed not to make a big deal over getting to be there even though inside we were crazy with excitement over all we were seeing
At 11 years old I was getting to see 12 or 13 nude boys almost my she. We learned about their penises and all that made them different. It was so exciting getting to look on seeing all that made them boys, including erections!
I was facinated with seeing a boy grow erect and waited patiently for someone to slowly grow. My heart would race as I watched him slowly extend. If lucky I got to watch the entire process from limp to stiff but usually the boy would walk away or jump in the pool.
The meets were different as the boys couldn't just get into the pool as races were going on. Add to that there were girls there from school and the neighborhood getting to look at them all they wanted.
There were more erections at the meets and at the end we got to go onto the pool deck and talk to the boys who were still totally nude. It wasn't like we were seeing something we had not already seen earlier.
I can only imagine what they felt like standing there knowing girls were looking right at their penises! Boys would erect when they got too nervous and if close enough to see, I could enjoy them growing from closer up. It would just happen and I would get to watch him grow sometimes standing right beside him. I would become so excited I almost forgot to breath getting to watch it get all stiff. The boy would try look away as his face would get red and the conversation would quicklt end! Slowly his penis would stretch out allowing me to see the entire process happen.
We had to be polite and not tease or say anything about what we saw as they could have easily stopped letting us attend. We just couldn't chance losing the opportunity of seeing all the boys without clothes on!
As said in other posts there were other boys who didn't erect or who did but enjoyed the attention it gsve them. The we're always erect after the meets and glad to let us look right at them. The meets also provided us with the visiting team also being nude. It was exciting seeing boys we did not know nude like that.
All in all it was an exciting experience seeing the boys nude and even getting to watch a few erect. I enjoyed seeing their bodies and looking at them as they swam. It was an amazing opportunity to see and enjoy the male body!
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Willy to Veronica
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Date Posted: 10:40:55 06/18/19 Tue

Well Veronica weren't you a lucky girl how exciting that must or being for you.How did your brother's feel about swimming nude.Did you see them nude sny other time.
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Veronica
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Date Posted: 14:36:01 06/18/19 Tue

Well Willy,both boys disliked being nude in front of us at practice and in meets, particularly Allen, the oldest. I was the baby of the family with Glenn in the middle.
Allen was also the Quarterback for the Junior High so once away from swimming that first year he quit to pursue football.
Dad backed him wanting him to dedicate all his time to football but poor Glenn had to swim nude up until High School where the YMCA had them ware skin tight trunks.
Glenn did erect time to time but he told me he could block it out if the meet was close. The practices were tough on him as he swam in only 2 events so much of practice was swimming laps or standing poolside with his penis exposed to everyone there.
A few of the girls there had a crush on Glenn and told me how dreamy he was. I found Ernie Fletcher much more attractive and spent my time following him. We did pay a little attention to the swimming but most of the time we compaired penises,testies and butts!
As for seeing them nude other than swimming only a few times, it was very uncommon at home. Glenn and I had a moment where he was horny and I was curious. Mom left to visit her lady froe Lucy and I got Glenn to strip. I held his penis and we talked about what it felt like being nude in front of so many girls. He was fully erect as we talked and I felt how hard his penis got. Very little went on as I played with his penis and he got all excited and shot off. We both felt funny about what we were doing and never tried it again. Even though I got to see all those boys nude at swimming mom kept a pretty tight leash at home. There was no hanky-panky going on in her house.
In 9th grade Glenn separated his shoulder at football try-outs and couldn't swim anymore. Even though they wore trunks he said he was done with swimming. He tried Baseball for a few years and track his Senior year but nothing planned out for him.
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Willy to Veronica
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Date Posted: 21:55:37 06/18/19 Tue

Did you do any swimming.I accept this was a time when boy nudity was seen as appropriate and no big deal,girls modesty on the other hand was to be respected it's just the way it was.I don't object to boys swimming nude.Veronica looking back how do you feel about boys having to swim nude.
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ken
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Date Posted: 23:20:02 06/23/19 Sun

I was one of the lucky ones, I was one of the ones who was naked with a lot of girls looking at me. We were told before the swim meet while all the males were totally naked that it would be wrong for us to ask any girl to undress for us or to show her body. About 100 girls were watching the swim meet with a few dozen naked males and heard them tell them to report any boy who asked to see them take off their shirt or skirt. I think that as part of the thrill for me, I was naked with my dick and nuts in full view and I knew I would never see a girl undressed. I would not have it any other way and I would love for it to be very common today. Naked males behave a lot better in the presence of clothed girls and we kept behaving better when we were in class together just knowing that most of the girls in our class had seen us naked
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Willy to Ken
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Date Posted: 06:09:18 06/24/19 Mon

Ken I am guessing you wouldn't like girls wearing a bikini either.I have mentioned this before while discussing my nude swimming here.My sister's always wore 1 piece swimsuits sometimes with a t-shirt over top my mum wouldn't let them wear 2 piece.My cousins any friends they or my sister's had over wore 1 piece swimsuits to.Only once do I remember my oldest sister's friends wearing a 2 piece the first time she swam with us.She was 15 I was 13,while she wore a 2 piece my sister's wore a t-shirt over their swimsuits.I don't know why but I was embarrassed by what she was wearing I couldn't help but feel what my sister's were wearing was much more appropriate.The second and last time she swam with us she wore a 1 piece swimsuit.I don't think my sister's liked her wearing a 2 piece either.Even though we boys were nude I always felt it was appropriate to respect girls modesty.
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John (Mad)
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Date Posted: 12:11:15 06/24/19 Mon

Willy - I would have a completely different reaction. Disrespect me? I would look to give it right back. I would have developed zero respect initially to my Mom, then quickly to my sisters and probably then to the female gender.

Regarding swimwear, I would have loved to see them in as skimpy a bathing suit as possible or preferably naked, as they had seen me.

While I doubt I would have broken the law to show my displeasure, I think I would have lost my inclination to support them in any way. No physical protection if they were in danger, no financial protection as I grew and made money, and certainly no emotional protection as they went through hard times, as everyone does. There would be a cost to hurting me.
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Cliff
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Date Posted: 13:27:28 06/24/19 Mon

When I was 7 a 9 year old girl named Nancy would pull her bathing suits bottom part off to the side so her pussy showed. She only did this when she was the only girl there. It was quite the treat for us boys.
She made us swear to God we would never tell any of the girls we played with as she knew they would say something to her mom. Usually it was the same 3 or 4 of us there with her and we always explored her pussy with our fingers.
We often played in a wooded area beside our housing complex. If no other girls were there she would get out of her clothes and let us look at her totally nude. She had small boobies which we always loved to squeeze, usually 1 boy on each of her boobies. She usually got quite worked up and we would smell her musky odor that all boys love! She got very "wet" down there and shared what I would have to call an orgasm as she flailed her arms and legs as we played with her body.
When we swam we were always nude and Nancy and the other girls wore their suits. We got boners and the girls would tease us about them. Only when she was the only girl with us she let us see her and touch her. It was not too often where she swam and would be the only girl but at times it did happen and she would pull the crotch part of her suit over exposing her pussy.
She had a light whisp of pubic hair that couldn't be seen when she was in the pool but when she was nude with us in the woods it was visible. She was very proud of that and her boobies.
She taught us about her clit and how it worked her up when we rubbed it. It was something about my childhood I never forgot. Nancy let us fool around with her until she was 12. By that time our sessions got pretty intense. Nancy would jack us off while she was nude. It became a daily thing for me. Two of our friends had moved and Nancy really enjoyed her orgasms. Marty, my other friend worked sometimes with his dad leaving me and Nancy alone. We never had intercourse but we did other things that only her and I knew about. I guess we were boyfriend/girlfriend for a while and it got pretty personal. When she was on her period she would jack me off. Sometimes she would bring a girlfriend with her and it would get really exciting/embarrassing.
We simply fell out of touch over time as we went our separate ways with school and other friends. Surprisingly she looked me up on her high school reunion and we reminisced about old times. I told her about this site but she said she would feel odd posting this on social media. She said she didn't care if I posted as long as I didn't post her last name
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Author:
Randolph
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Date Posted: 14:30:23 06/25/19 Tue

How unusual! I guess some girls must like to show off! It must have been nice getting to see the other side like that.
I struggled with shame from being nude in front of girls and here is a girl willing to show it all to a group of boys. I just could not find a comfort zone while swimming with girls. I had trouble controlling my erections and would sprout a boner when made to go nude in front of girls. I had no control over it as all boys know. It just started and the girls got to watch it grow. I am sure some mothers of girls were pleased to have me there for her daughters to watch as it happened. Usually she would say something like it is normal for boys to stiffen when they are out of their clothes as her daughters and friends giggled as they watched it grow. I guess you could say the girls teased me as they asked me endless questions about how it felt or if it did that a lot as they stood inches away looking right at my erection. My cousin Jeffy also was made to swim nude in front of girls and he too would erect for them to watch. The girls enjoyed seeing us get hard in front of them and looking at our boners as we stood out of the pool when we ate. The girls constantly spoke about our penises when we were stuck out of the pool. The adult in charge usually played it off as us being embarrassed that the girls got to see our"wieners"! They rarely said anything about the girls curiosity or the comments made about our genitals as we begrudgingly exposed them to the girls. I had countless erections while exposed to my neighbors daughters but I was always invited over if the girls went swimming. They almost always had friends or family in the pool with them providing me with humiliation and shame over my nudity!
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spelvin
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Date Posted: 13:19:32 04/21/20 Tue

Hello, Ken!

I just found your message of June 23, in which you say, “Naked males behave a lot better in the presence of clothed girls and we kept behaving better when we were in class together just knowing that most of the girls in our class had seen us naked.”

Having no such memories from my past, and wishing that I COULD have such memories, I am curious regarding why this was true.
I can think of a few hypotheses:

--The shame over the boys’ nudity inhibits the boys from calling the girls’ attention to themselves.

The weakness in this theory is that you said you enjoyed the whole thing.
But then again, many of the other posters who also enjoyed the whole thing spoke of a mixture of embarrassment and excitement.

--The boys would otherwise misbehave in class in order to win attention from the girls.
Swimming nude in the presence of the girls fulfills that need,

--The boys and the girls both unconsciously regarded the whole thing as a mating ritual, saw themselves as having passed the ritual, and therefore saw themselves as mature adults.

This theory is not entirely original with me. I got it from here:
https://www.voy.com/223876/4246.html

Or is there some fourth explanation which I haven’t thought about?

Incidentally, thank you for responding to my message of October 1.
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Janie
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Date Posted: 19:43:15 04/22/20 Wed

The one thing you guys aren't seeing is that mothers and older females wanted us to see the boys nude. If we girls would become curious about what boys had we usually opened up and played the "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" gam! This often led to more explicit experimenting like fondling and intercourse which could have resulted in unwanted pregnancy!
It was much easier providing us with situations where we could experience boy nudity like swim meets, babysitting, obvious boy exposure "in the nude" at beaches and naked punishments!
At a very young age we were provided ample oppertunities to see penises, erections, testicles, foreskins and total male nudity with accompanying humiliation from said nudity. They wanted us prepared for teen sexuality. We already knew what penises looked like and didn't need to compromise our virginity to satisfy our sexual curiosity risking teen aged pregnancy!
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spelvin
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Date Posted: 22:58:26 04/22/20 Wed

I might be more tolerant of the double standard if the girls could have taken just one little responsibility: be courteous.

On this forum, and on other sites, I have seen time and time again that those who got treated with courtesy remember the experience as pleasant:

https://www.voy.com/223876/3773.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/3633.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/4137.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/3551.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/3577.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/3594.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/2187.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/8/1010.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/1970.html
https://www.voy.com/206801/2956.html
https://www.voy.com/206801/2984.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/nudity1/messages/?msg=16.1
https://www.voy.com/223876/3140.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/3554.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/2809.html
https://www.voy.com/3767223876/3767.html

whereas those who got ridiculed remember the experience as unpleasant:

https://www.voy.com/223876/2904.html

https://www.voy.com/223876/752.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/nudity1/messages/?msg=99.1
https://www.voy.com/223876/1398.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/1290.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/1393.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/5/1237.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/832.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/4822.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/1222.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/1075.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/1002.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/1123.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/1201.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/3061.html
https://www.voy.com/223876/8/700.html

Shouldn't the boys' feelings be considered too?
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Author:
Manuel to Spelvin
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Date Posted: 17:01:47 04/23/20 Thu

hi Spelvin,

i am honored. you used my posts. thank you. there are many things I haven't shared. many things not said, not because I didn't want to say them, but because I just didn't think about it at the time.

I was very open about my nudity, but especially as time progressed.

Did I want to see girls naked? I didn't think about it when I was younger. we grew up naked my sisters and brother and I. and we also saw our parents naked. and once I was on the swim team, I got so comfortable being naked in front of spectators and classmates, friends, classmates, everyone's younger siblings, even older siblings. just in general whoever happened to be there.

there were a lot of moms who also got confident enough to ask me questions, for their daughters sakes. many times my own mom would bring it to my attention about other moms wondering if I was open to letting their daughters get a closer look.

just watching my parents and their interaction with each other made me appreciate relationships. my Mom loved my Dad. my Dad loved my Mom. there was so much respect. so much love. and their love for me and my siblings. and how we communicated with each other. sure, we had problems creep up sometimes. but all the wonderful times completely outweigh any negativity. I knew I wanted a wife just like my Mom and my sisters. I knew I wanted children just like the way my parents raised us.
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Author:
Jaquard to Spelvin
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Date Posted: 20:10:22 04/25/20 Sat

"Shouldn't the boys' feelings be considered too?"

Boys have feelings?! Well, then, they'd better learn to live with things as they are. IN OTHER WORDS, TOUGHEN UP!!
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John to Janie (Mad)
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Date Posted: 03:39:55 04/23/20 Thu

I was considered curiosity to be a weak excuse. So what if you are curious? The world doesn’t owe you resolution of your curiosity.

Boys were curious too. Where is their relief? No where. And women would be offended had boys pushed it. “Who cares if you are curious?”, they would have said. “Get your mind out if the gutter!”.

Yet girls and women authorities were free to reside in the gutter for as often and as long as they pleased. Plus they could force boys to reveal their bodies, which is nothing but sexual assault.

So no, curiosity, while it may have been a justification used, is not a legitimate reason.
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Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 06:43:12 04/23/20 Thu

Very well put,Janie. There was a good reason for the double standard.
Girls could satisfy their curiosity about boys in a safe environment without the risks involved in secret experimenting with boys.
Boys had nothing to lose, girls did not rape or penetrate boys as would be the case with boys with nude girls.
Girls and women always feel threatened and at risk when naked in the presence of males. While males have no such worries or risks.

Unfortunately some people like mad John and others do not realize or understand these differences. Equality cannot exist in such circumstances because of significant differences.

There is also another significant difference, besides those mentioned above, is that girls never swam naked in front of boys because they would be seen as 'loose' or even called whores if they did that. This would never be the case with boys swimming naked or being seen naked in front of girls.
In fact boys frequently skinnydipped casually in front of girls, but girls never did that.

There are other valid reasons as mentioned by other posters. Just to mention one, the fact that boys behaved better when made to swim naked and more easily kept under control, while this was not necessary with girls who usually behaved much better than boys having a more docile nature and not rough like boys.
So there were many good reasons for the double standard. Which is why most parents and other authorities went along with it.
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Author:
Mirage
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Date Posted: 07:24:06 04/23/20 Thu

Either male and female are equal, or they're not. If they're equal, there can be no double standards. If they're not equal, then double standards are fine, but it brings into question what rights, if any, women should have. If women and men are not equal, then by that unequal nature, they should not have equal rights.
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John to Mirage (Mad)
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Date Posted: 15:02:39 04/23/20 Thu

Agree. Thing is you cannot cherry pick which rights should be equal and which not. That is called hypocrisy and should not be supported. Either the genders, races, etc are equal or not. If equal, then the same rights for each subdivision (gender, etc) should be the same. Otherwise, to heck with it - might makes right.
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spelvin
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Date Posted: 11:09:33 04/23/20 Thu

I hear what Observer is saying, but does covering girls up really protect their virginity?

Probably not, if what AKR47 is saying is true:

"Sexual assault rate drops significantly in many countries when they introduce clothing optional beaches. So if you want to reduce sexual attacks of girls make them swim naked and be naked. Look at Scandinavian countries where women routinely change clothes in public places and are seen naked in public more often and they have the lowest violence rates."

http://www.frank-answers.com/frank-answers-about-swimming-naked-commentary/
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Observer to Spelvin
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Date Posted: 12:50:45 04/24/20 Fri

"I hear what Observer is saying, but does covering girls up really protect their virginity?"

I know that you are an open-minded person and can hear all sides, but that quote from another poster about Scandinavian countries is ridiculous.
Scandinavian people are open minded and disciplined by nature, so whether there are clothing optional beaches or not does not make any difference regarding violence rates or rape.
And no, Scandinavian women do not show themselves naked in public as the poster states. So his whole argument is ridiculous.

About your question, yes, a woman or girl showing herself naked in public is an invitation to rape and would be vulnerable, while there is no such threat to a man showing himself naked in public or to a boy unless he is going to be raped by a man.
So naked men and boys are safe in the presence of girls and women, but not the other way round.

I fact girls and women even when clothed would feel threatened and uncomfortable in the presence of naked men. But certainly most men would not feel that way in the presence of a naked woman, quite the contrary.
These are the differences that posters like John and Mirage ignore.

Concerning the main theme of this forum about boys swimming naked in front of girls and women, it is different for females seeing boys naked rather than adult males for the same reasons above. Which is why it was considered as harmless and non-sexual for boys to swim naked in front of girls and women, but not for older teen boys or adult males in front of females which would have been considered as sexual, as also would be females of any age swimming naked in front of males.

Do you and others now understand why it was only acceptable for boys up to a certain age to swim naked in front of females?
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Mirage
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Date Posted: 02:44:05 04/25/20 Sat

Scandinavian people are open minded and disciplined by nature, so whether there are clothing optional beaches or not does not make any difference regarding violence rates or rape.

Yes, it''s all about culture. Scandinavians are not "disciplined by nature". They learned to be.

About your question, yes, a woman or girl showing herself naked in public is an invitation to rape and would be vulnerable

Only in savage cultures like the middle east. The objective fact is, in western society, no one other than rapists view a naked woman as an invitation to rape. There's always going to be sick people like that in society, but thankfully, they're a minority.

So naked men and boys are safe in the presence of girls and women, but not the other way round.

Wrong again. Is rape rampant in nudist communities? Your opinions are based on the idea that we live in a society where women are nothing but sex objects to be used by men any way they please. That may be middle eastern society, but it's not western society.

I fact girls and women even when clothed would feel threatened and uncomfortable in the presence of naked men.

Because they're TAUGHT to be. If they weren't taught to be, they wouldn't be.

But certainly most men would not feel that way in the presence of a naked woman, quite the contrary.

They would if they were taught to be.

Concerning the main theme of this forum about boys swimming naked in front of girls and women, it is different for females seeing boys naked rather than adult males for the same reasons above.

It's not different. It's just what people have been taught, and it's rooted in religion.

Do you and others now understand why it was only acceptable for boys up to a certain age to swim naked in front of females?

I understand your line of reasoning, but your line of reasoning is wrong. It's illogical. It ignores the fact that different cultures have different attitudes. It also ignores the fact that culture can and does change. Your opinions may be what people thought in the past, but that's not the case anymore. Your claim that a woman naked in public is an invitation to rape would reign down hatred upon you by most of western society if you stated that publicly.. They would call you a bigot, misogynist, and will say you're probably a rapist yourself. I'm not saying that you are any of these things. I'm just pointing out that your views are archaic. Our society isn't what it once was.
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Author:
Jaquard
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Date Posted: 14:52:22 04/26/20 Sun

"Which is why it was considered as harmless and non-sexual for boys to swim naked in front of girls and women"

Not entirely, if at all. It was considered non-sexual because "society" propagated the myth that girls (at least) and even women were not sexual creatures and did not react erotically to the sight of naked boys. I have also found sites where the women and their erotic arousal at the sight of naked men is admitted.
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Observer to Jaquard
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Date Posted: 15:43:32 04/26/20 Sun

How do you explain the fact that most women are offended by the sight of a naked man?

I have heard women saying that a smartly dressed man is more attractive and 'sexy' to them than would be a naked man.

The total failure of Playgirl showing naked men is also proof of this.

Also the fact that only young boys were allowed to swim naked in front of girls and women, but not older teenage boys or adult men, further proves this.
Nude boys were seen as cute and yes harmless and non-sexual, but adult naked men would have been seen as offensive, ridiculous and inappropriate in front of women and girls.


So no, equality between sexes concerning nudity, which the likes of you and others like John are trying to bring up, does not exist. You are out of touch of reality.
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John to Observer (Mad)
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Date Posted: 18:16:28 04/26/20 Sun

I think way too much power is given to women in this situation.

In cases of forced nudity of males in front of females, I don’t care what the woman’s preference is. She should have no right to compel any male to be naked in front of her and her friends/younger girls. As stated before, while those situations have reduced, women and girls still are given this power in batheing, punishing or babysitting boys.

In cases of consent between both the boy and the women, then both groups standards are important. For the boy, he would have to consent to each situation; he would be free to accept some situations and reject others. The females should also be comfortable. In the context of this post, that could mean she is comfortable as long as the male does not exceed a certain age.

To conclude, I still have some trouble with this because it opens the door to women asking a minor boy to get naked so they can enjoy his nudity. As a proponent of equality, I know such a request, if the genders were reversed, would likely be considered sexual assault by the asking adult male.

So ultimately, I think kids of both genders should be left alone regarding their clothes. There is really no legitimate reason for stripping minors for the pleasure of the other gender. An exception would be for nudist families. My opinion.
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Mirage
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Date Posted: 22:43:30 04/27/20 Mon

"How do you explain the fact that most women are offended by the sight of a naked man?"

Because they are taught to be. It's learned behavior.
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Mirage to Observer
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Date Posted: 22:45:16 04/27/20 Mon

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Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 13:35:34 04/28/20 Tue

"How do you explain the fact that most women are offended by the sight of a naked man?"

"Because they are taught to be. It's learned behavior."

No, it is not, it is a natural instinct for women.
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Mirage to Observer
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Date Posted: 00:18:26 04/29/20 Wed

Nudity is the natural state of humans, and finding it offensive is learned behavior. Children have no qualms about nudity (unless they're taught otherwise). The culture they grow up in determines what their attitude towards nudity will be. This is why attitudes to nudity vary between cultures.
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Observer to Mirage and John
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Date Posted: 11:55:07 04/24/20 Fri

Your generic and sweeping statements about equality do not apply to all circumstances, especially the subject we are discussing here, and I have given the reasons with clear examples why this is so which none of you have denied.

The gender difference is further proved by the fact that on clothing optional beaches and Oblation runs and similar shows of nudity are almost always exclusively male and very few, if any, are females.

I do not have to repeat the examples I have already given in my other post, which you both ignored.
Another clear example is that women do not rape men or boys, while women and girls being raped by men is a very common crime that happens all the time.
Your cries of equality just do not hold in many circumstances. I could go on giving other examples, so please take your heads out of the sand and face the facts instead of having rigid opinions which do not apply in many circumstances.
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Willy to Observer&Co
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Date Posted: 21:07:31 04/24/20 Fri

Observer you are 100% correct spelvins post was rather silly and while Mad and Mirage can crap on about equally all they what the fact is Males and Females are different we experience the world differently.Women and girls are the ones who get raped,sexually harassed cat called etc yes some boys get abused but it's men doing all this bad shit.A bit of logic says girls would see and experience being nude in front of men&boys quite differently than boys being nude in front of females and again logic says society would see it differently to.
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Author:
spelvin
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Date Posted: 01:37:05 04/25/20 Sat

Willy, I have always appreciated your posts,
and Observer, I have appreciated yours.
But whether I'm right or wrong,
I hope you realize that denouncing another person's opinions as "silly" or "ridiculous" is no way to win friends and influence people.
I try to treat other people on this forum with respect,
so I think I am entitled to respect in return.
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Author:
Manuel
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Date Posted: 14:56:29 04/25/20 Sat

I am siding with Spelvin on his posts.

there is something missing in these posts. i wish i knew how to express them. and i know this. that you can't please everybody. you can't make everybody happy.

but what you can do - is make everybody mad. HAHAHAHA!

you posters that disagree with Spelvin, there seems to be no room for forgiveness. you're so busy trying to prove equality with men and women, I will show you mine if you show me yours.

its not about you. it's not about her.

maybe we should consider about having eaten the fruit from that tree we were not supposed to have eaten from, the forbidden fruit. also what is being missed is the end result. what happens after you have eaten that fruit.

you and I are going to have to answer for every decision we have made, every action we have taken, every thought we have ever had. you alone will stand on that Judgment Day.

none of you is a qualified lawyer to stand before this particular Judge. and the only way in to that Just Reward is through that one and only Qualified Lawyer.

at this particular time, its not going to matter whether a man is equal to a woman or a woman equal to a man. and you will have no say in who goes in or not go in to that just reward.

how could you possibly go in when there is no forgiveness in your heart.
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Willy to Spelvin
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Date Posted: 21:15:50 04/25/20 Sat

Spelvin I enjoy reading your posts to you put a lot of effort in to them but I won't apologize because I believe you are wrong.There's a lot of reasons why Scandinavian countries have less rape and teen pregnancies to.They are quite open and grown up about nudity and sex and they actually have sex education.The USA on the other hand in respect to sex and nudity are a bit like a 5 year old they have a lot of growing up to do.
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Mirage
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Date Posted: 02:49:14 04/25/20 Sat

A bit of logic says girls would see and experience being nude in front of men&boys quite differently than boys being nude in front of females and again logic says society would see it differently to.

A bit of logic would also reveal that what you mentioned is learned. No girl would feel weird being naked if she wasn't taught to be, and society wouldn't it differently unless they were taught to. It's not just logic, it's basic common sense.
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Willy to Mirage
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Date Posted: 21:44:02 04/25/20 Sat

Mirage I think you answered your question there.It isn't want you or I think its want society thinks rightly or wrongly.Male and Female nudity has always being viewed differently there was a time when boy nudity was considered appropriate but girl nudity for a number of reasons.We can argue over the rights and wrongs but that's the way society was.In today's world it's women who provide the nudity.On tv in movies nudity is very one sided breasts are common full frontal not so much.Penises are very rare regardless if for a sex scene or for no reason.The excuse given for this is society views breasts and penises differently not very equal or fair is it.
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Mirage
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Date Posted: 23:41:35 04/25/20 Sat

I specifically mentioned society, not just the individual. To quote what I said "society wouldn't see it differently unless they were taught to. You mentioned Scandinavian societies in this post. This goes to my point. Americans learned to be the way they are, and Scandinavians unlearned it. The views and attitudes about nudity had by prude societies are not natural. Everyone is born naked, and despite what people believe, nudity of both genders didn't use to be an issue the farther back in time you go. It's only an issue when you introduce religion and power dynamics.
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Mirage to Observer
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Date Posted: 03:05:56 04/25/20 Sat

Another clear example is that women do not rape men or boys

Got to stop you there, because you're absolutely wrong. Women do commit sexual abuse/rape. Women also use cruel and unusual punishment, which can cause long lasting psychological trauma. For example, some of the stories of nude punishments. I know some people might say those stories are made up fantasy, and I don't know what your opinion is on the validity of those stories, but those kinds of punishments do happen. That kind of punishment is considered cruel and unusual even for adult prisoners, and yet it's done to kids, especially by women.
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John to Observer (Mad)
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Date Posted: 09:52:13 04/25/20 Sat

Those of us who have posted for a while have made arguments that are repeated and not acknowledged by others who do not agree with us. So you should not feel uniquely offended if your points are not specifically addressed and seemingly ignored.

Yes men sometimes rape women. But it has been proven that rape is a crime of violence, not sex. So a nude female is not likely to trigger a violent response from a male. So it is not dangerous for females to be naked in front of males.

And it has been documented repeatedly on this site that some women take great joy in sexually abusing boys. They enjoy forcing them to be naked and enjoying their embarrassment and humiliation.

I think if the genders were treated equally by authorities, sexual abuse of both genders would be greatly reduced, as it should be. No one has a moral right or justification to hurt another. Don’t care if they are doing it because they are curious or just really enjoy their sadism. It is wrong. And just because it was common doesn’t make it right.

Like you, I have made these points before. So acknowledge them or not.
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Mirage
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Date Posted: 23:51:26 04/25/20 Sat

People often forget that rape isn't about sex per se, but about power and control. Men who rape women tend to feel hatred for women, not love or affection. They want to inflict suffering on the woman, and they use sex to do it. So ultimately, sex is just the tool, not the main objective. The same thing goes for rape/sexual abuse of kids. It's about power and control.
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John (Mad)
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Date Posted: 11:29:08 04/28/20 Tue

Agree that rape is about power and control. Also think this is a large part of the forced nudity of boys by their Moms or Aunts or Female authorities. Don’t get me wrong - they love seeing naked boys too.

But that pleasure is magnified for many when they can force it upon the boy and increase his humiliation by displaying him to others, force him to keep his hands to his side and away from covering his penis, and ridicule his desire for modesty.

This is about as close to rape as a female can inflict on a male.
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Mirage
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Date Posted: 01:03:32 04/29/20 Wed

https://www.salon.com/2011/03/05/manning_6/

This link is regarding Bradley manning and forced nudity. Here's an excerpt:
Is there anyone who doubts that these measures -- and especially this prolonged forced nudity -- are punitive and designed to further erode his mental health, physical health and will? As The Guardian reported last year, forced nudity is almost certainly a breach of the Geneva Conventions; the Conventions do not technically apply to Manning, as he is not a prisoner of war, but they certainly establish the minimal protections to which all detainees -- let alone citizens convicted of nothing -- are entitled.


Here's another link regarding forced nudity:

https://shadowproof.com/2011/03/03/nine-years-of-nudity/

An excerpt:
In addition to degradation of the detainee, stripping can be used to demonstrate the omnipotence of the captor or to debilitate the detainee.


Another: https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/In_Brief_Torture_by_any_other_name

And an excerpt:
The questions covered more than 40 kinds of abuse, including beatings, forced nudity and standing, isolation, rope bondage, sexual humiliation, and deprivation of sleep, water, and food.

Notice how forced nudity is included as a form of abuse. They didn't ask if they thought it was abusive. It went without saying that it IS abusive.


Another site: https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/assets/files/other/irrc-867-reyes.pdf

Excerpt from page 7:
The US Department of State, in its Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2004,25quotes a report by the US Committee for Human Rights listing various psychological methods which it describes as torture:Methods of torture included ... prolonged periods of exposure; humiliations such as public nakedness; confinement to small ‘‘punishment cells,’’ in which prisoners were unable to stand upright or lie down, where they could beheld for several weeks; being forced to kneel or sit immobilized for long periods


More: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11313-psychological-torture-as-bad-as-physical-torture/#ixzz6KxIWMmhj

Interesting excerpt:
In 2005, US president George W Bush signed the bill outlawing the torture of detainees. And officials later revised the Army Field Manual to explicitly ban certain treatments of detainees, such as forced nudity and sex acts, hoods or duct tape on the eyes, and electric shock.


One more: https://www.cvt.org/blog/healing-and-human-rights/why-torture-wrong-0

And the excerpt:
They (and in the case of Rahman, his family) were not forced to revisit, personally and in the global media, the excruciating details of the torture they endured: suspension, stress positions, being slammed into walls, crammed and confined in small locked boxes, dietary manipulation, prolonged sleep deprivation, forced nudity, water dousing in freezing temperatures, being strapped to waterboards, death threats and more.


In all these cases, forced nudity is labeled as cruel and as torture. Some countries have banned it, even for criminals. And yet, there are people who think that something that can cause psychological trauma to adults is totally ok to inflict on kids. If even adults are mentally scarred by forced to the point where it has been banned as a form of punishment for hardened criminals, then what kind of sick person would say it's ok to inflict it on kids? If it screws up adults, imagine what it does to kids.
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John (Mad)
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Date Posted: 13:21:59 12/13/20 Sun

Mirage - excellent rebuttal. Don’t see how anyone can disagree with your post.

[> Subject: Re: Girl talk about seeing nude boys!


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Cornelia
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Date Posted: 21:34:21 04/22/20 Wed

Recently I overheard my daughter Kerry 8 and her close friend Sharon (same age) talking about playing doctor. Somehow they got Sharon's brother Kevin 6 to take his clothes off and they "examined" him. It was cute to hear them use the kid words like his "thing" and "sac."
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Becky
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Date Posted: 15:47:20 04/23/20 Thu

My mother and the neighbor lady were best friends who did everything together. The Blackman's had an above ground pool with a filter and we enjoyed swimming over the summer months.
Jeff Blackman was 8 when I was 10 and he had to swim nude in their pool while I was fully covered in my one piece suit. I remember being very grateful that I was allowed to wear my suit as opposed to sharing my body with Jeff.
I did enjoy seeing him nude and experiencing his erections. It was truly educational learning about boy's bodies and seeing his "secrets" as we sat out of the water.
Surprisingly, his mother saw nothing wrong in my interest in seeing him nude allowing me to satiate my curiosity about his penis and testicles as much as i liked. My heart would race as I stared directly at her son's maleness and learned about the male physique.
There was nothing left to my imagination as I saw him nude so often. We sometimes would speak about his erection or how his foreskin would slide off of the tip humiliating him and making him squirm. I became very familiar with his nude body but still enjoyed getting to look at him any time I wanted to!
We sometimes would play together and I would ask him if I could touch his penis. He was always shy about it and would hesitate as I told him I saw it every day as we swam. He would erect soon after he removed his shorts allowing me to watch as he ereccted then I got to play with it for as long as I wanted to. He would embarrass and his face would redden as I explored his penis. I learned a lot about his penis from those naughty times and I saw him pee and retracted his foreskin making him shudder from the shame!
Although he never said no to my request he still looked embarrassed by my touching his penis. I often thought he had a crush on me allowing me to enjoy his nudity and fondle his penis.
Many times as I handled his peniss his foot would turn in and his right leg would stiffen as I exposed his tip and stroked his erection! There definatly was something he enjoyed about it making him grunt and groan as I had my way with his erect penis!
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Amy
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Date Posted: 20:32:09 04/23/20 Thu

Becky it sounds like you had a interesting time growing up..
most girls dont have the opportunity that you had..but i for one had a little brother that i had the same opportunity with..
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Joline
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Date Posted: 01:39:03 04/24/20 Fri

My mother was a certified alcoholic and eventually drank herself to death before I turned 16. I had 2 younger brothers that I got to abuse sexually when I was 12 up until mom passed away.
Andy was 10 and Stan was 7. I of course bathed them and administered punishments which always were nude corner time. To add insult to injury I would invite Paula the girl next door to see them totally nude! This was complete humiliation for the boys as they would erect for us to see. We would giggle at the spectacle sitting only inches away from him as he grew?
Many times the boy would tear up as the humiliation proved to be too much. His penis would bounce wildly as we both looked him over as he stood completely humiliated and fully erect.
Touching was allowed and the excitement was exhillerating as his penis proved to be an excellent toy for us to play with. Each boy knew to be quiet as any loud noise would wake mom up resulting in a severe whopping. Tbe nude punishment was very effective and quite exciting for us girls!
Our dad worked long hours but we knew when to expect him. This gave us usually an hour or two to play with the offending boy's penis. It was obvious that they were embarrassed as we explored their maleness and rubbing them to no end.
Eventually I would simply strip the boys nude and have them exposed for Linda and I to enjoy! We would enjoy their penises as we watched TV or played games on the floor. Other times we would chase them around and once caught rub their pee holes until they begged us to stop!
Everything stopped once mom passed and our dad took things over. I grew up that day and realized that the boys were not happy being humiliated in front of our neighbor.
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Wanda
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Date Posted: 08:15:09 04/24/20 Fri

Who was Paula and who was Linda? You named the same person two different names! This tends to remove credibility to your post!
Is this Jeepman with this fiction? My understanding was this site was to be true factual life stories only!
What gives "Joline"?
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Belinda
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Date Posted: 08:34:21 04/24/20 Fri

Wanda, this story is not done in Jeepman's style! Read his posts "Stripped by girls". He does post fiction but it is not anything like his posts.
Probably a first timer or someone who posts under numerous names. I have seen a few similsr stories under different names. Its a very good chance this is a fictional post. Seen it happen a few times since I first posted here. Take it for what it is!
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Date Posted: 13:39:23 04/24/20 Fri

One afternoon we went to family friend's house for a cook out. No sooner than the burgers and dogs were done the sky opened up and it started to rain.
The storm continued throughout the evening ruining our plans to go to the drive-in. After finishing dinner the host asked if we wanted to see a home movie of their vacation a few weeks ago! As not to be rude we agreed to watch and he put up the screen and threaded the projector.
Jusy to set this up, I was 12 and my sister was 8. Their son was 10 and became very quiet once the movie began.
Understand, this was in the early 60's and the family had gone to the beach to visit relatives who lived in North Carolina. The families were staying seaside so there was no "trip to the beach" shots involved.
The movie started off very innocent but eventually showed their son and his boy cousin at the beach totally nude! Both boys were shown full frontal with their penises limp but fully exposed! His girl cousin was all giddy as she was dressed in a one piece suit. Before too long the movie showed 3 new girls at their blanket with both boys supporting prominent erections!
I looked over at the boy and he had hid his face in his hands! The movie continued to show the boys nude and erect off and on! A few times the boys stood with all the girls, still nude and erect with their penises visibly throbbing.
I was so excited I could hardly sit still seeing all this boy's male secrets! Once the movie was over I was surprised that there was another one showing the boys still nude and erect off and on. It was very exciting getting to see his penis both flaccid and erect allowing me to guage his size now knowing the difference in length once he was erect.
After 40 minutes or so the vacation movie was over. Understand there were other things on the movie but the ones I remember were the parts where the boy's penises were shown!
My parents, sensing the boy's total embarrassment said it was getting late and said we needed to head out.
Once home and in bed my sister and I talked all night about seeing the boy and his cousin nude and how sometimes the boy's penises were limp and sometimes sticking straight up.
One thing was for sure, we wanted to go to the beach with them the next time they went!
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Joey
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Date Posted: 14:05:47 04/24/20 Fri

I think everu boy who grew up in the 60's hadbthat one home movie showing him nude!
There was one of me around 7 or 8 that showed me and my younger sister playing under a plastic kiddie sprinkler. Yes, I was totally nude and my sister Beth, 2 years younger, it's was dressed in swimwear. Other neighbor girls also showed up were also wearing swimwear were playing with us and I was the only one nude!
The movie clearly showed my tiny penis flopping around as I ran and in a few shots you could clearly see I had an erection. There were a few times the girls are seen looking directly at my penis, and in one shot my sister is pointing out my fully erect penis!
We so saw movies when visiting friends of the family where the boy was totally nude in front of girls in swimwear! There were erection shots but not flagrant, sort of just in the movie to show he had a bonet! It was very embarrassing for me to sit and watch as my sister got to look at another nude boy's erect penis! She would smirk at me as if to say she just got to see another one! Im all the home movies I ever saw i never once saw a little girls vulva! I saw her in soapy water or saw a shot.of her butt but never once did they show her full frontal like the boys were seen! Sgain, the double standard!
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Daniel
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Date Posted: 15:38:11 04/24/20 Fri

In my childhood my Mom and mothers of neighbors boys were sure sprinkler plays for boys don't need any clothes and we were nude then until at least 12. The second side, girls were in swim suits always after their 5-6. We have many family photos where naked boys and clothed girls play together with sprinklers
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Jeepman89
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Date Posted: 14:43:27 04/24/20 Fri

No this is not my story. To set the record straight, I do write fiction stories as well as true accounts. My Stripped By Girls is based on true events but I do consider it fiction. You can tell the difference when I am relating past events or whether I'm telling a fiction story by the way it is written. I have written 12 chapters of Stripped by Girls now and hope to add more soon.
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Jaquard
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Date Posted: 15:13:42 04/26/20 Sun

"I did enjoy seeing him nude and experiencing his erections. It was truly educational learning about boy's bodies and seeing his "secrets" as we sat out of the water.
Surprisingly, his mother saw nothing wrong in my interest in seeing him nude allowing me to satiate my curiosity about his penis and testicles as much as i liked."

How would she have felt if you had shared your "secrets" with her son?
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Jaquard (to Cornelia)
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Date Posted: 15:08:11 04/26/20 Sun

"Recently I overheard my son Ken 8 and his close friend Sam (same age) talking about playing doctor. Somehow they got Sam's sister Kelly 6 to take her clothes off and they "examined" her. It was cute to hear them use the kid words like his "thing" and "slit."

Tell me, Cornelia, is it still cute?
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Dean
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Date Posted: 15:26:24 04/28/20 Tue

Looking back when I was 10 when my Aunt brought my new baby boy cousin to visit the family. My sister who was 7 at that time had a great time as he was all but presented to her to see his boy parts.
The first time, my Aunt called her over to see his penis as they changed his diaper. She giggled a lot as everything was there for ger to see. She later told me she knew what boys blooked like naked and she even got to touch it. She showed up every time his diaper was changed that weekend allowing her to see it and touch it over and over again.
A few times I heard my Aunt allow my sister to "touch it" but the worst was when they were giving him a bath he erected as I stood there. My sister outright asked me if I ever did that to which my Aunt assured her I did.
They talked about it as his penis stood at attention while I stood right there. A complete conversation about his penis took place as his tiny erection was right there on display. Again my Aunt allowed her to touch his erect penis sending shivers of jealousy down my spine. My sister even pulled it down and let it spring up causing her and my Aunt to laugh as I stood shamed at their joviality about things so personal.
My sister absolutely loved getting to see his penis and feel how it felt as he was changed and bathed. At her age, the fact that he was a baby didn't matter as he was exposed sexually and she was educated to male genitalia. By the end of that weekend she was quite aware of what a penis looked like and felt like both limp and erect.
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Amy
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Date Posted: 02:27:06 04/29/20 Wed

I was the same way with my little brother when I first seen him..I have taught my daughter when my son was younger...it was so cute


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