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Subject: Re: It was bad Author: Mark W. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 20:45:38 02/19/12 Sun In reply to: Mark W. 's message, "It was bad" on 04:17:18 02/17/12 Fri I am overwhelmed at all of the kindness and wonderful replies. Thank you! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: It was bad Author: CZ to Mark W. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:35:40 02/21/12 Tue Hi Mark, I am truly sorry for what happened between you and your parents but I am not surprised. They already had let you go, they in some ways had put you out their (and yours) house with their intolerance and lack of love. You are right, you are a great guy who works a lot, who studies hard and who made himself accepted even in "macho" circles like football. I am just worried you told them about Austin. This may have two consequences in my opinion. First possible consequence would be they real take you out of their lives and agree to let Mr Pat and Mrs Karen to adopt you. This would be great and I really look forward the day you will call them Mom and Dad. The other possible consequence is that they, in their religious fanaticism may be convinced to have you back to "correct" you and this could lead to their claim to have your custody back. In this case you should talk to Mr Pat to look for a lawyer (preferably one with connections and knowledge in the human rights area) to see what can be done. I read in the past a story of a boy who asked to divorce from his parents, but I do not know in which state it was (probably one with a more liberal legislation) but I do not know how Tennessee Legislation is. But I am deeply concerned if they choose this second path. Anyway, you must be alert until your adoption is legally formalized. Mark, I already said many times I would be proud to have a son like you. You have nothing to be ashamed for or to feel you are less valuable just because of your sexual option. Be strong and be alert. God bless you. CZ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: It was bad Author: Mark W. for CZ [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:35:28 02/21/12 Tue Well, first of all let me tell you about Tennessee legislation. I am upset. There is currently a bill going through the Tennessee General Assembly that would prohibit the teaching or mentioning of anything about homosexuality in elementary and middle schools in Tennessee. It cannot be taught, recognized, accepted, etc. The bill is nicknamed "no say gay" or something like that. Gov. Haslam has said he would sign it. I want to go to Nashville when the final vote occurs and protest (peacefully.) Pat is worried things may get out of control. I just want to stand outside the State Capitol and hold a sign that says: "I say gay." I think it is my right under the Tennessee and US Constitutions. Pat already has his attorney highly involved. I think you offer wisdom about Austin and I will have Pat talk to the attorney. CZ, you are right. You know when Dad gave me up? When I heard him cheering at that group that protests at soldier funerals. That is when I tried the suicide. It just hurts. It hurts so bad. CZ, I want my Daddy. I want him so bad and I want him to want me. He may have easily flipped the switch to off but I can't seem to do it. There are still 14 years of memories there. Thanks for being a friend. Will you be registering at the new forum? I am there. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: It was bad Author: CZ to Mark W. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:12:03 02/22/12 Wed Mark, I understand when you talk about your 14 years of memory, but you must worry about you know. When Francisco Pizarro, a spanish conqueror arrived to Peru to dominate the Inca Empire, he feared his soldiers, facing any major problem, would return to the coast and sail back to Spain. He ordered them to burn all the ships, so there would be no imediate return for anyone. And he conquered the Inca empire. You seem to me in the same situation. You risk some forced return to your parents with all consequences you have been telling us. So my friend, you must burn your ships. You must fight to be adopted by PJ's parents and move on with your life. It is difficult I know, but I think it is more difficult to your parents to accept you, mainly after you told them about Austin. I apologize if I am too nosy in your life, but I am trying to see things in a more cartesian way. I read your poem and I would like very much if your dad read it and change his mind, but, sincerely, do you believe in this ? Sometimes we must let it go, although it may hurt a lot. I hope God can help you in whatever decision you take. "Estarei aqui sempre para você meu amigo" CZ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: It was bad Author: CZ [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:29:01 02/24/12 Fri Moving it up [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: It was bad Author: David [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:30:06 02/22/12 Wed Those people are monsters Mark. Even the most viciously anti-gay groups want nothing to do with them (admittedly not because they care about gay people, but because of what they do to the families of fallen soldiers.) To cheer them is to have completely lost touch with common decency. I can't state this too strongly or too often - there is nothing wrong with you. They could write entire books about what's wrong with your father. And I know that knowing that doesn't help. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]