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>Thank you for the great information and information. > >My issue is with Rago, the plastic bones come out. It >may be I buy too small for my girth. > >I have 30+ year old girdles that are fine and others >that have rotted. My wife wears classic, old Sears >and Playtex, capri length panty girdles almost every >day. Her Leonisa, she says are much tighter overall. >The moderate control leggings are super tight. She >has picked out my birthday present, a double layer, >front zip that goes from the bra to the ankles. She >says it will give her good support while gardening :) > >>>The materials are still available apparently >> >>No, I don't think the powernet and downstretch fabrics >>available today can ever compare to those of the 60's. >> >>Why? >> >>Technology allows the use of much finer thread and >>spandex for weaving these fabrics. >>This allows producing much finer material (denier if >>you will). >> >>This is thought to be an advantage throughout the >>industry. >>These lighter weight fabrics are cooler, and do not >>bind as much when contorted (think sitting, squatting, >>etc.) >>The lighter weight fabrics don't produce the feeling >>of wearing body armor like the original fabrics did. >>Thinner denier fabrics stretch more easily than heavy >>denier fabrics, without even considering the amount of >>spandex content. >> >>The 60's - 70's downstretch fabric was made with >>acetate, rayon and rubber. >>This material was quite heavy, (almost had the feel of >>tent canvas) and was used for rear and side panels. >>The material only stretches up and down, (hence the >>name downstretch), and is rigid from side to side. >>These panels made the girdle more controlling, as they >>didn't stretch in the direction of the control. >> >>Modern downstretch fabric now made from nylon and >>spandex, the same materials used for powernet. >>It is woven differently from powernet, so it still >>exhibits the same properties as the original >>downstretch fabric. >>But the new downstretch fabric is many times lighter >>(denier) than the original downstretch fabric. >> >>It is one of the major reasons why the Cortland 5033 >>LLPG went from extra heavy duty, to lightweight. >>Cortland 5033 was sold by Sears, Penneys and other >>suppliers: >>https://www.jcpenney.com/p/cortland-intimates-zip-maxi >m >>um-control-girdle-5033/pp5003170028?pTmplType=regular >> >>Also, in the interest of comfort, the amount of >>spandex used in the powernet fabrics was significantly >>reduced. >>60's powernet fabrics generally contained at least 30% >>spandex, and went as high as 65% spandex, as I have >>seen. >>Modern powernet is generally 10% to 30%, with >>typically 18-20%. >>Rago's Lacette fabric has 30%, very few others match >>this. >> >>Remember, these percentages compare the weight of >>spandex fiber content to the overall weight of the >>fabric. >>Since vintage powernet fabric was much heavier weight, >>it contained much more spandex than modern powernet, >>for a given percentage. >>For example, a vintage powernet with 30% spandex, >>might contain 3 times (300%) more spandex fiber than >>Rago's 30% Lacette fabric. >> >>Finally, vintage girdles were cut much smaller for a >>given size, so the powernet had to stretch much >>farther when worn. >>This has the net effect of feeling much tighter. >> >>It is completely doubtful that any fabric mills are >>producing anything like the original downstretch or >>powernet fabrics. >>Who would use them? >> >>There might be some bolts of vintage downstretch >>and/or powernet fabric sitting on a shelf in some >>warehouse somewhere in the world. >>Not enough for production, but enough to produce maybe >>100 or so vintage girdles, enough for all of us >>enthusiasts. >>If we could find it, we could probably buy it for a >>song, because no manufacturer is going to buy it. >> >>Spandex rots with age, that is a given. >>Depending on the environment in which it is stored, >>the rot process could be very slow to very fast. >>Buying vintage girdles on eBay, that you intend to >>wear, is risky. >> >>I would rather do what louis said, buy a new Rago or >>Leonisa garment, downsize and/or double up to achieve >>the compression of a vintage garment. >>That would also be expensive, but at least the >>durability will far exceed a vintage garment. >> >>Just yesterday, I put in an order for a girdle that >>was popular in the 70s, a Cortland Venus 5039: >>https://www.abra4me.com/Venus-5039 >>This was also sold under the brand name of Subtract >>(probably others). >>Its selling point was for a person dieting, the girdle >>maintained compression, even as your size went down. >>I inherited a subtract bodybriefer from my wife, and I >>have to tell you, it is Hella powerful! >>The tag says "20% spandex", but it sure feels like a >>lot more than that. >>Maybe because the fabric feels like the older, heavier >>type of powernet. >> >>This sales outlet is selling it for 40% off, and is by >>far the best price I could find on the internet for >>new merchandise. >>I ordered four, in black, two size 30, two size 32. My >>waist is size 34. >>I don't know whether what I'm going to get will >>compare to the briefer, or a wimped out version. >> >>PS: >>I mentioned in the past on this forum, that I had >>bought several different versions of girdles branded >>Miraclesuit. >>Well let me tell you I am extremely disappointed with >>the lack of durability of their girdles. >>Within a year, they have ALL fallen apart. >>It isn't the seams, but rather the fabric itself. >>It was not long before spandex fiber ends started >>popping out the surface of the fabric. >>Then, the fabric itself started pulling apart! I have >>five girdles ready for the garbage can. >> >>For comparison: all these girdles were ordered in the >>same size as a Rago 6210 I already had. >>They have been stored in the same drawer, and received >>the same hand wash cold, drip dry as the 6210. >>The 6210 is almost 3 years old, the fabric is fine, >>some seams are a little worse for the wear, but still >>usable. >>I have other girdles holding up similar to the Rago, >>but ALL the Miraclesuits are ready for trash. >> >>I recommend NOT buying anything from the Cupid >>Intimates group: https://www.cupidintimates.com/ >>The brand names are: Cupid, Miraclesuit, Naomi & >>Nicole, TC (Total Comfort) >>No matter the price, there is no value. >> >>I am sorry this post was so long.

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