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Date Posted: 05/ 8/15 10:50:46am Fri
Author: jb74
Subject: Re: With all due respect......
In reply to: pigskin 's message, "Re: With all due respect......" on 05/ 8/15 10:10:26am Fri

>>Hubbard's era was within the all-male Colgate of yore.
>>I attended Gate then and started on the freshman
>>football team.
>>So, For the youngsters among us, it's important to
>>point out that Marv was sort of a "fish out of water"
>>at Gate. I believe he was a KDR and had to spend an
>>academic year in the midst of his regular
>>matriculation at the community college where Gate
>>jocks and others went to regain academic standing and
>>return to Gate. He was otherwise, probably a solid
>>citizen. This is not to imply that jocks of the time
>>academically deviated from their classmates ( compared
>>to pre and post Gate PL standards ). But there were
>>clearly "outliers" and it was just accepted as such.
>>In fairness, there were "outliers" on the other end of
>>the Acadia graph at the same time.
>>Tom Wilson, who has a Leadership award named after him
>>was a great DB on those same teams. Tom was a terrific
>>student and went on to get his MBA at Wharton.
>>
>>I don't know if the academic outliers like Marv are as
>>visible today under the PL rules. But the academic
>>admissions rules/exceptions were much less "codified"
>>then, than they are now.
>>My curiosity in this is whether jocks or subcultures
>>of teams are more integrated into the general student
>>body today than they were back in Marv's day ?
>
>Dan Keating and Lee Woltman were of my era and I'm
>sure they were not outliers or "fish out of water."
>They went on to lead successful lives and made
>contributions to the world at large. I think there's a
>misconception that "back in the day" FB players were
>just animals brought in to play the game and were
>somehow outside the system academically. I saw no
>evidence of this. They were integrated into the
>college socially and academically and took their
>responsibilities in both spheres very seriously. I'm
>sure this was true of player on the 1932 team as well.
My class (1974) was the first incoming coed class. Campus population was about 2,400 men and 100 women. We came to have something of a perspective on both eras. Our class had some decent athletes (Tom Parr, Mark vanEegan. Mike Milbury), all of whom carried on in distinguished careers after their playing days. I think each of them would have held their own in any Colgate setting. before or since 1970-74. I was a KDR, and I believe Marv Hubbard was a Lambda Chi.( The Lambchops, ironically, inhabited what is now the Bunche Peace House). Legend has it that Marv, to stay in shape and vent, used to go "one on one" with the basement wall, and usually won. Further football lore from those days regarded membership in the vaunted "dot Club" ( a GPA of point something) and annual Spring matriculation to Mitchell Junior College in New London, CT ( aka "Colgate by the sea") to enable fall eligibility. Marv was a remarkable player and by all accounts was a rare friend to many and a great family man. A very large loss.

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