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Gate63, 05/ 8/15 7:14:54pm Fri
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Re: With all due respect...... -- Steve, 05/ 9/15 12:46:36am Sat
Of course today's Colgate student-athletes are more integrated into campus life than they may have been years ago. The school and its offerings are far more diverse, richer in opportunities for extracurricular engagement and far better for it. It's been a very long time since the 60s, 70s and 80s and the world has changed... I wonder if those who may think otherwise even know and have interacted with a set of these student-athletes personally. I do and have and it's been an absolute pleasure.
And the level of professionalism is much higher too. And everyone on campus gets the message. Did you see the highlight video on last weeks athletic department awards? Maybe attended a DU scholarship awards dinner?
The standards of delivery and expectations are personified in staff such as Vicky Chun and Ann-Marie Guglieri as well as of their articulate, fair and demanding coaches. I once overheard a Navy coach state that Colgate is "the class in the Patriot League". I will take that.
Go 'gate!
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Tell the faculty -- 'gate80, 05/ 9/15 7:23:02am Sat
>Of course today's Colgate student-athletes are more
>integrated into campus life than they may have been
>years ago.
"We believe that we have created two cultures on our campus. One in four men and women on our campus is a varsity athlete. Because of the immense demands on them, athletes are often isolated. They are cut off from mainstream campus culture and academic life"
- Open letter on Athletics at Colgate, signed by a quarter of the faculty 18 months ago
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Re: Tell the faculty -- Steve, 05/ 9/15 9:28:33am Sat
That may well be their perspective- and it might as well be understood in terms of certain objectives they were promoting in this letter- but it's not mine.
Why? Of course athletes with 20 hours of NCAA permitted training and competition are not "mainstream". So what? Neither are the musicians, lab devoted students or those with part time jobs etc demanding a lot of their time.
What all these students have in common is that they have far better support and facilities than in previous decades and are thereby able to make more effective and efficient use of their discretionary time. And what do they do with it? They are extremely disciplined and dedicated and participate in mainstream activities that complement their interests, as they see fit.
Colgate is the richer for it and that's partly why it is now so very highly regarded ranked. I have always maintained that the athletic profile of Colgate sets it apart from the elite D III schools and it's a tribute to these student-athletes that we can now compete for and secure the best applicants nationally and internationally. And that includes the large(r) prestige schools and Ivies. And our student athletes are representative of the entire student body- as individuals and by any measure, as their GPAs, awards, graduation rates and post grad outcomes show.
Go 'gate!
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Re: Tell the faculty -- Cr, 05/ 9/15 9:33:16am Sat
>>Of course today's Colgate student-athletes are more
>>integrated into campus life than they may have been
>>years ago.
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>"We believe that we have created two cultures on our
>campus. One in four men and women on our campus is a
>varsity athlete. Because of the immense demands on
>them, athletes are often isolated. They are cut off
>from mainstream campus culture and academic life"
>- Open letter on Athletics at Colgate, signed by a
>quarter of the faculty 18 months ago
Tell the faculty to butt out. Freedom of choice for lifestyle of their choosing! Freeze tuition and salaries for a couple of years after tuition increases double the inflation rate for 15 years is enough!
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Re: Tell the faculty -- William James, 05/ 9/15 10:43:27am Sat
>Tell the faculty to butt out. Freedom of choice for
>lifestyle of their choosing! Freeze tuition and
>salaries for a couple of years after tuition increases
>double the inflation rate for 15 years is enough!
While I appreciate that not everyone will have the same thoughts these issues, I certainly do hope faculty do not stop caring about Colgate's students. Communication and joint understanding of Colgate's overall mission and the role of athletics in a highly selective liberal arts college should drive us finding common ground, not commands to "butt out" of caring about Colgate and its students.
And, while we are on the topic, who said tuition increases are going to faculty?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/septemberoctober_2011/features/administrators_ate_my_tuition031641.php?page=all
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0
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Re: Tell the faculty -- maven, 05/ 9/15 11:41:08am Sat
>>Tell the faculty to butt out. Freedom of choice for
>>lifestyle of their choosing! Freeze tuition and
>>salaries for a couple of years after tuition increases
>>double the inflation rate for 15 years is enough!
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>While I appreciate that not everyone will have the
>same thoughts these issues, I certainly do hope
>faculty do not stop caring about Colgate's students.
>Communication and joint understanding of Colgate's
>overall mission and the role of athletics in a highly
>selective liberal arts college should drive us finding
>common ground, not commands to "butt out" of caring
>about Colgate and its students.
>
>And, while we are on the topic, who said tuition
>increases are going to faculty?
>
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>href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/septemb
>eroctober_2011/features/administrators_ate_my_tuition03
>1641.php?page=all">http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mag
>azine/septemberoctober_2011/features/administrators_ate
>_my_tuition031641.php?page=all
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>href="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/
>the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0
>">http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-
>real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0
Increased tuition goes to faculty(Tony Aveni $247,000 pa), more admin people and buildings. Students don't need to be told what to do and how to think. The amount of work demanded of them "teaches" them how to work hard. Faculty are not parents...just teach faculty don't push your agendas.
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Re: Tell the faculty -- Steve, 05/10/15 12:42:43am Sun
What's all this? There is less than half of any story or narrative in the last few posts.
1- Colgate is a university staffed by professionals who have earned their degrees, their positions and their contracted salaries. They are paid according to market rates as negotiated within a competitive market. And while they don't tell you how to do your jobs they do have an obligation to try and influence change as they see fit. So what's wrong with a (minority) segment of faculty voicing their opinions about anything- and that includes the sports programs- as per this letter?
2- Dave Roach was a terrible people manager from the start, in my opinion. Maybe he was a good henchman but it was a shame that such a personality developed over time when a part time consultant of quality could have recommended whatever good changes be put across. So if that's what it took to end the paid (remember his "sabbatical"? I would love to read his research paper and its (ahem) worthwhile findings), well, that's the price you pay for such a mistake.
3- So what that there are some full pay foreign students? If it were not for the excellent results of the 2012-ending capital campaign and the ongoing appeal of Colgate to full pays, we would not have offered 68 more funded admission slots this year alone to worthy domestic applicants. Got it? There is a financial dynamic in play / this is no zero sum game. Now if someone wants to endow scholarships favor the midwestern small town applicants, you are free to do so.
Just a thought... How about getting back to some productive discussion as to how to support the Department of Athletics and/or your own favorite program(s). I am keen on learning how Starr will be repurposed and what funds are needed to achieve it. So when I see Vicky at Reunion I will ask the question.
By the way, the webcam was installed to survey the NAF site but right now it shows what looks like a close up of a gravel patch. Maybe in the next few days it will be improve with needed additional bandwith. The link is at gocolgateraiders.com, New Athletic Facility- See Progress.
Go 'gate!
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Re: Tell the faculty -- The Lone Haranguer, 05/ 9/15 1:44:38pm Sat
According to the Form 990, in 2013 out of the top-12 highly compensated employees at Colgate, 10 were admin and 2 were listed as "professor." The most highly compensated? (put down any drinks and sharp instruments) - David Roach! What pushed him to the top of the list at $669k was his $425k severance package. Money well spent, but sheesh!
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Re: Tell the faculty -- Maven, 05/ 9/15 2:55:04pm Sat
>According to the Form 990, in 2013 out of the top-12
>highly compensated employees at Colgate, 10 were admin
>and 2 were listed as "professor." The most highly
>compensated? (put down any drinks and sharp
>instruments) - David Roach! What pushed him to the top
>of the list at $669k was his $425k severance package.
>Money well spent, but sheesh!
Do you know why we have so many foreign students? Because most are Full Pay! Meanwhile Midwestern small town folks are next to impossible to find at Gate.
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Re: Tell the faculty -- Steve, 05/10/15 1:20:22am Sun
What's going on here? How about some substantive and constructive dialogue?
1- Colgate staff are professionals, they have earned their degrees, their positions and negotiated their compensation. And as such have an obligation to promote change as they see fit. And while they don't tell you how to do your jobs, they get on with theirs. So what's so wrong with some faculty, a minority at that, endorsing a letter proposing changes in athletics?
2- Dave Roach was a terrible AD in my view, given his overall performance and the terms of his departure. Maybe he was good as a short term henchman, if one were needed, but then a short term consultant could have done a better job with less lasting downside. So if that's the cost of ridding us of him, well, that's a shame. (Too bad though that I did not get a chance to read his sabbatical thesis and recommendations before he left town...)
3- What's wrong with foreign full pay students? If it were not for full pays on top of our most successful 2012-ending capital campaign we would not have been able to offer 68 more aided admission slots this year alone to domestic students. Now if you want to endow a scholarship(s) for midwestern small town students you should get on it!
How about some supportive discussion for improving the quality and depth of athletics? I am interested in particular in donating towards the repurposing of Starr and will ask Vicky Chun about it at Reunion. And about momentum, I see that the webcam on the NAF is live on gocolgateraiders.com although it seems to show a patch of gravel so far. It also needs more bandwith but I expect this rectified soon.
Go 'gate!
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Article on Marv -- The Future, 05/11/15 12:16:56pm Mon
He certainly sounding like the type of guy you want to have on your team.
http://buckyandsully.buffalonews.com/2015/05/07/marv-hubbard-recalled-as-epitome-of-toughness/
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