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Date Posted: 05/ 9/15 11:41:08am Sat
Author: maven
Subject: Re: Tell the faculty
In reply to: William James 's message, "Re: Tell the faculty" on 05/ 9/15 10:43:27am Sat

>>Tell the faculty to butt out. Freedom of choice for
>>lifestyle of their choosing! Freeze tuition and
>>salaries for a couple of years after tuition increases
>>double the inflation rate for 15 years is enough!
>
>While I appreciate that not everyone will have the
>same thoughts these issues, I certainly do hope
>faculty do not stop caring about Colgate's students.
>Communication and joint understanding of Colgate's
>overall mission and the role of athletics in a highly
>selective liberal arts college should drive us finding
>common ground, not commands to "butt out" of caring
>about Colgate and its students.
>
>And, while we are on the topic, who said tuition
>increases are going to faculty?
>
> >href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/septemb
>eroctober_2011/features/administrators_ate_my_tuition03
>1641.php?page=all">http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mag
>azine/septemberoctober_2011/features/administrators_ate
>_my_tuition031641.php?page=all
>
> >href="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/
>the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0
>">http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-

>real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0


Increased tuition goes to faculty(Tony Aveni $247,000 pa), more admin people and buildings. Students don't need to be told what to do and how to think. The amount of work demanded of them "teaches" them how to work hard. Faculty are not parents...just teach faculty don't push your agendas.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Tell the faculty -- Steve, 05/10/15 12:42:43am Sun

What's all this? There is less than half of any story or narrative in the last few posts.

1- Colgate is a university staffed by professionals who have earned their degrees, their positions and their contracted salaries. They are paid according to market rates as negotiated within a competitive market. And while they don't tell you how to do your jobs they do have an obligation to try and influence change as they see fit. So what's wrong with a (minority) segment of faculty voicing their opinions about anything- and that includes the sports programs- as per this letter?

2- Dave Roach was a terrible people manager from the start, in my opinion. Maybe he was a good henchman but it was a shame that such a personality developed over time when a part time consultant of quality could have recommended whatever good changes be put across. So if that's what it took to end the paid (remember his "sabbatical"? I would love to read his research paper and its (ahem) worthwhile findings), well, that's the price you pay for such a mistake.

3- So what that there are some full pay foreign students? If it were not for the excellent results of the 2012-ending capital campaign and the ongoing appeal of Colgate to full pays, we would not have offered 68 more funded admission slots this year alone to worthy domestic applicants. Got it? There is a financial dynamic in play / this is no zero sum game. Now if someone wants to endow scholarships favor the midwestern small town applicants, you are free to do so.

Just a thought... How about getting back to some productive discussion as to how to support the Department of Athletics and/or your own favorite program(s). I am keen on learning how Starr will be repurposed and what funds are needed to achieve it. So when I see Vicky at Reunion I will ask the question.

By the way, the webcam was installed to survey the NAF site but right now it shows what looks like a close up of a gravel patch. Maybe in the next few days it will be improve with needed additional bandwith. The link is at gocolgateraiders.com, New Athletic Facility- See Progress.

Go 'gate!


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