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Date Posted: 11/17/15 10:21:22pm Tue
Author: 'gate80
Subject: Unfortunate truths
In reply to: gatefan 's message, "Playoff Game" on 11/15/15 12:46:16pm Sun

I was waiting until we clinched the playoff spot before commenting on a prior thread concerning the playoffs, since I didn't want to jinx the Lehigh game. Posters think we will try to get a home game if in a position to do so, will try to outbid another school to steal a home game, think we have bid previously against UMass and W Ill, and so on. I hope they are right, but will believe it when I see it.

I consider it my duty to tell unfortunate truths, so that enough may care to try to change things. To wit:

1) Colgate has NEVER bid on a home playoff game, despite the fact that we have more resources than most playoff teams that habitually bid for a home game. In 2012 a home game was ours for the asking, yet we didn't bid and Wagner, a school with less than 10% the endowment Colgate has, was awarded the home game by default. The team had to play the first playoff game in decades they were clearly favored to win at a high school level dump in Staten Island, rather than have the comforts and convenience of staying on campus. Since our home playoff record is 3-0, and away is 1-9, we clearly lessened the chance that Dick Biddle and Gavin McCarney would move on and have the opportunity to gain some national attention on Eastern Washington's iconic red turf.

2) Colgate would not even pay the minimum guarantee to ensure a home game in 2003, when we had our first perfect season since 1932. Colgate did not even have to bid, just pay the guarantee, yet they wouldn't and alums had to scramble to come up with the money for the first 2 home games. Colgate wouldn't even pay the guarantee for a home SEMIFINAL game. We have the distinction of being the only seeded school in the 38-year history of FCS/I-AA to forfeit the right to any home game, let alone a semifinal, by refusing to pay the guarantee.

3) Colgate will rarely be in a position to be in the driver's seat to get a home game. Colgate has only been in this position twice in the PL era, and it is nothing short of a disgrace that we did not pay a relatively trivial guarantee/bid for a home game these 2 times. It took a 12-0 record with a decisive win over a FBS team to get the last seed in 2003. This may never happen again. I am now to believe that we will attempt to outbid an opponent this year, when we wouldn't pay a guarantee in 2003 or minimum bid in 2012??

This is not ancient history concerning deceased past administrators, but happened in the last 12 years. It is the best recent example of how our administration does not support our fb program. How I hope Vicki has changed their minds! I won't hold my breath.

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[> [> Re: Unfortunate truths -- gatefan, 11/18/15 7:10:03am Wed

>I was waiting until we clinched the playoff spot
>before commenting on a prior thread concerning the
>playoffs, since I didn't want to jinx the Lehigh game.
>Posters think we will try to get a home game if in a
>position to do so, will try to outbid another school
>to steal a home game, think we have bid previously
>against UMass and W Ill, and so on. I hope they are
>right, but will believe it when I see it.
>
>I consider it my duty to tell unfortunate truths, so
>that enough may care to try to change things. To wit:
>
>1) Colgate has NEVER bid on a home playoff game,
>despite the fact that we have more resources than most
>playoff teams that habitually bid for a home game. In
>2012 a home game was ours for the asking, yet we
>didn't bid and Wagner, a school with less than 10% the
>endowment Colgate has, was awarded the home game by
>default. The team had to play the first playoff game
>in decades they were clearly favored to win at a high
>school level dump in Staten Island, rather than have
>the comforts and convenience of staying on campus.
>Since our home playoff record is 3-0, and away is 1-9,
>we clearly lessened the chance that Dick Biddle and
>Gavin McCarney would move on and have the opportunity
>to gain some national attention on Eastern
>Washington's iconic red turf.
>
>2) Colgate would not even pay the minimum guarantee to
>ensure a home game in 2003, when we had our first
>perfect season since 1932. Colgate did not even have
>to bid, just pay the guarantee, yet they wouldn't and
>alums had to scramble to come up with the money for
>the first 2 home games. Colgate wouldn't even pay the
>guarantee for a home SEMIFINAL game. We have the
>distinction of being the only seeded school in the
>38-year history of FCS/I-AA to forfeit the right to
>any home game, let alone a semifinal, by refusing to
>pay the guarantee.
>
>3) Colgate will rarely be in a position to be in the
>driver's seat to get a home game. Colgate has only
>been in this position twice in the PL era, and it is
>nothing short of a disgrace that we did not pay a
>relatively trivial guarantee/bid for a home game these
>2 times. It took a 12-0 record with a decisive win
>over a FBS team to get the last seed in 2003. This may
>never happen again. I am now to believe that we will
>attempt to outbid an opponent this year, when we
>wouldn't pay a guarantee in 2003 or minimum bid in
>2012??
>
>This is not ancient history concerning deceased past
>administrators, but happened in the last 12 years. It
>is the best recent example of how our administration
>does not support our fb program. How I hope Vicki has
>changed their minds! I won't hold my breath.

1st, also being superstitious I appreciate you not jinxing the boys for the Lehigh game...it worked!!!
2nd, thanks for the insight on the sad recent history of Gate's position on NOT bidding for a game. Truly unfortunate!!


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