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Date Posted: 09/ 9/15 12:05:56pm Wed
Author: Philip
Subject: Patriot League and the New USNWR Nat'l LAC Ratings
In reply to: Raider Archivist 's message, "New USNWR Nat'l LAC Ratings" on 09/ 9/15 11:12:14am Wed


D1 Schools Ranked Higher than us: Navy and Davidson

Patriot League Schools on the "National Liberal Arts Colleges" List:

#9 Navy
#19 Colgate
#22 Army
#32 Bucknell
#32 Holy Cross
#37 Lafayette

Others:
#21 Georgetown [National Universities]
#41 Boston University [National Universities]
#47 Lehigh [National Universities]
#66 Fordham [National Universities]
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#3 Loyola [Regional Universities (North)]

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[> Re: New USNWR Nat'l LAC Ratings -- Steve, 09/ 9/15 12:30:11pm Wed

I hear what you are saying and your views are always shared by college presidents and admissions officers.

That said, these rankings have shown to carry meaning to people who don't know better, should know better, and/or have an axe to grind.

Who are these people? The first group includes international applicants who believe that there is some official i.e. US government recognition that the top 2-3 schools are just plain superior to any and all others- as in USn&wr or maybe publications in their own countries. Then there are uber competitive parents and lazy counselors who would dismiss somewhat lower ranked schools for vaguely similar reasons e.g. tell them what they want to hear.

But I reserve opprobrium for the axe grinders of the so-called A Better Colgate group who have been banging on for a few years now that Colgate slipped from spot 16 to 22, artlessly - and therefore unfairly - without any context such as the inclusion of the service academies in the group and breakthrough measures of quantitative and qualitative characteristics by many top schools including Colgate.

And now that Colgate has improved its relative position in this list, we can rest easier while those who may be especially interested can evaluate the news further. Not that you will hear much about it, of course, from the whingers.

So with that as background, I would say that the improved ranking is good news. 19 is a better ranking than 22 if you are keeping score. Only Navy at 9 is above us in the Patriot League. Army, Bucknell, HC and Lafayette are below us.

Go 'gate!


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[> [> Re: New USNWR Nat'l LAC Ratings -- frank zappa jr., 09/ 9/15 9:56:23pm Wed

>I hear what you are saying and your views are always
>shared by college presidents and admissions officers.
>
>That said, these rankings have shown to carry meaning
>to people who don't know better, should know better,
>and/or have an axe to grind.
>
>Who are these people? The first group includes
>international applicants who believe that there is
>some official i.e. US government recognition that the
>top 2-3 schools are just plain superior to any and all
>others- as in USn&wr or maybe publications in their
>own countries. Then there are uber competitive parents
>and lazy counselors who would dismiss somewhat lower
>ranked schools for vaguely similar reasons e.g. tell
>them what they want to hear.
>
>But I reserve opprobrium for the axe grinders of the
>so-called A Better Colgate group who have been banging
>on for a few years now that Colgate slipped from spot
>16 to 22, artlessly - and therefore unfairly - without
>any context such as the inclusion of the service
>academies in the group and breakthrough measures of
>quantitative and qualitative characteristics by many
>top schools including Colgate.
>
>And now that Colgate has improved its relative
>position in this list, we can rest easier while those
>who may be especially interested can evaluate the news
>further. Not that you will hear much about it, of
>course, from the whingers.
>
>So with that as background, I would say that the
>improved ranking is good news. 19 is a better ranking
>than 22 if you are keeping score. Only Navy at 9 is
>above us in the Patriot League. Army, Bucknell, HC and
>Lafayette are below us.
>
>Go 'gate!

Now I know the reason why the field hockey program is struggling.

I will sleep soundly this evening.


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[> [> [> Re: New USNWR Nat'l LAC Ratings -- Steve, 09/10/15 7:06:06am Thu

>>I hear what you are saying and your views are always
>>shared by college presidents and admissions officers.
>>
>>That said, these rankings have shown to carry meaning
>>to people who don't know better, should know better,
>>and/or have an axe to grind.
>>
>>Who are these people? The first group includes
>>international applicants who believe that there is
>>some official i.e. US government recognition that the
>>top 2-3 schools are just plain superior to any and all
>>others- as in USn&wr or maybe publications in their
>>own countries. Then there are uber competitive parents
>>and lazy counselors who would dismiss somewhat lower
>>ranked schools for vaguely similar reasons e.g. tell
>>them what they want to hear.
>>
>>But I reserve opprobrium for the axe grinders of the
>>so-called A Better Colgate group who have been banging
>>on for a few years now that Colgate slipped from spot
>>16 to 22, artlessly - and therefore unfairly - without
>>any context such as the inclusion of the service
>>academies in the group and breakthrough measures of
>>quantitative and qualitative characteristics by many
>>top schools including Colgate.
>>
>>And now that Colgate has improved its relative
>>position in this list, we can rest easier while those
>>who may be especially interested can evaluate the news
>>further. Not that you will hear much about it, of
>>course, from the whingers.
>>
>>So with that as background, I would say that the
>>improved ranking is good news. 19 is a better ranking
>>than 22 if you are keeping score. Only Navy at 9 is
>>above us in the Patriot League. Army, Bucknell, HC and
>>Lafayette are below us.
>>
>>Go 'gate!
>
>Now I know the reason why the field hockey program is
>struggling.
>
>I will sleep soundly this evening.

Did you now, zappa? You can thank me later.

By the way, please tell me how USN&WR and these 2016 rankings relate to field hockey and the Colgate team. Lesser men might have asked the coach, the AD, players or parents about the program.

Go 'gate!


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[> [> [> [> Re: New USNWR Nat'l LAC Ratings -- lone ranger, 09/10/15 12:59:38pm Thu

>>>I hear what you are saying and your views are always
>>>shared by college presidents and admissions officers.
>>>
>>>That said, these rankings have shown to carry meaning
>>>to people who don't know better, should know better,
>>>and/or have an axe to grind.
>>>
>>>Who are these people? The first group includes
>>>international applicants who believe that there is
>>>some official i.e. US government recognition that the
>>>top 2-3 schools are just plain superior to any and
>all
>>>others- as in USn&wr or maybe publications in their
>>>own countries. Then there are uber competitive
>parents
>>>and lazy counselors who would dismiss somewhat lower
>>>ranked schools for vaguely similar reasons e.g. tell
>>>them what they want to hear.
>>>
>>>But I reserve opprobrium for the axe grinders of the
>>>so-called A Better Colgate group who have been
>banging
>>>on for a few years now that Colgate slipped from spot
>>>16 to 22, artlessly - and therefore unfairly -
>without
>>>any context such as the inclusion of the service
>>>academies in the group and breakthrough measures of
>>>quantitative and qualitative characteristics by many
>>>top schools including Colgate.
>>>
>>>And now that Colgate has improved its relative
>>>position in this list, we can rest easier while those
>>>who may be especially interested can evaluate the
>news
>>>further. Not that you will hear much about it, of
>>>course, from the whingers.
>>>
>>>So with that as background, I would say that the
>>>improved ranking is good news. 19 is a better ranking
>>>than 22 if you are keeping score. Only Navy at 9 is
>>>above us in the Patriot League. Army, Bucknell, HC
>and
>>>Lafayette are below us.
>>>
>>>Go 'gate!
>>
>>Now I know the reason why the field hockey program is
>>struggling.
>>
>>I will sleep soundly this evening.
>
>Did you now, zappa? You can thank me later.
>
>By the way, please tell me how USN&WR and these 2016
>rankings relate to field hockey and the Colgate team.
>Lesser men might have asked the coach, the AD, players
>or parents about the program.
>
>Go 'gate!

I think someone's ascot gets a tad bit wrinkled when sarcasm is used on this forum. Guess I'll have to approach the subject this weekend.


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