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[> [> [> Ivies have been and will continue to be "home and home" -- Andy Kerr, 08/13/15 11:50:55am Thu

gate, you must be a recent grad. The Ivies are and will be "home and home" games/series. The FBS games are away games and generally provide a "payday" for the visiting FCS school. Both of these are unlikely to change. It's a question of "who" and "how often ?"

Let's get beyond the "Ivy-envy" syndrome. The law of supply and demand of available/desirable schools is "shaking out" and will take care of itself in the marketplace, over time. With careful guidance from the AD and football coaches, of course.





>Good riddance! They did nothing to help our SOS so
>let the Ivy League have them. Look forward to the day
>when the Ivies want US to play THEM, not the other way
>around...and even then, we would do the traveling.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Ivies have been and will continue to be "home and home" -- gate, 08/13/15 1:16:18pm Thu

Graduated almost 25 years ago and there's no Ivy envy here or else I would have gone to one. IMO with our transition to the PL, we needed the Ivies in fb a bit more than they needed us - until now. Perhaps due to proximity, Gate would play lowly Dartmouth (proximity?!), unimpressive (rival) Cornell, and sometimes a stronger Princeton team. I got the impression that playing Harvard for a change would mean the Raiders would have to travel b/c the Crimson would not.

Would prefer only one Ivy a season and instead play more from the CAA or have another trip to South Dakota. That would be travel time and money well spent - for now. And finally, UNH and Yale coming to Kerr...gotta make it count at home. So many close calls last season at Delaware, Albany and even Yale.

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[> [> [> Re: 2015 PL fb O.O.C. Opponents -- RichH, 08/13/15 11:53:32am Thu

>Good riddance! They did nothing to help our SOS so
>let the Ivy League have them. Look forward to the day
>when the Ivies want US to play THEM, not the other way
>around...and even then, we would do the traveling.
Perhaps. Some Ivies still want to play us,ie Princeton,Yale.
Others only want to play a PL team they can beat,ie Harvard. Guessing Hoyas will get a lot of Ivy games :)

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[> [> [> [> Re: 2015 PL fb O.O.C. Opponents -- RichH, 08/13/15 11:54:32am Thu

>>Good riddance! They did nothing to help our SOS so
>>let the Ivy League have them. Look forward to the day
>>when the Ivies want US to play THEM, not the other way
>>around...and even then, we would do the traveling.
>Perhaps. Some Ivies still want to play us,ie
>Princeton,Yale.
>Others only want to play a PL team they can beat,ie
>Harvard. Guessing Hoyas will get a lot of Ivy games :)

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[> [> [> [> [> Central Conn State, Monmouth, Marist, etc: The "Peer School"/"Identity by Associatin" thing: -- Truth Ferret, 08/13/15 3:04:03pm Thu


http://chronicle.com/article/Who-Does-Your-College-Think/134222/

There is a significant PR aspect to creating impressions of "association" in our mass culture, despite the inroads of rating services like USNWR, etc.

The link above demonstrates that there's a tendency for schools to be "aspirational" in providing peer schools to the Dept. of Education and in its institutional literature for prospective students, alumni and others.

In its 125th year, 'gate football is arguably our most visible sport for creating these "association" impressions ( to use advertising lingo ) in the public mind.

Outside of the traditional "Ivy Envy" epidemic in the Northeast that affects each institution differently, the reality is that we have little history and little similarity with Central Conn State, Monmouth, Marist, etc.

However, as the shakeout in scheduling proceeds, PL fb schools have few choices from the "Peer School" designation where the recognition is reciprocal. Obviously Colgate can't play Div. III Bowdoin, Washington and Lee, Wesleyan, and even Div I Davidson. Although these schools share a lot with Colgate institutionally, they're available for scheduling. So, we'll have to be patient with how this new environment for PL fb scheduling evolves.








>>>let the Ivy League have them. Look forward to the
>day
>>>when the Ivies want US to play THEM, not the other
>way
>>>around...and even then, we would do the traveling.
>>Perhaps. Some Ivies still want to play us,ie
>>Princeton,Yale.
>>Others only want to play a PL team they can beat,ie
>>Harvard. Guessing Hoyas will get a lot of Ivy games :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Should be Div III "Peer Schools" NOT available for scheduling -- Truth Ferret, 08/13/15 3:07:42pm Thu

>
> >href="http://chronicle.com/article/Who-Does-Your-Colleg
>e-Think/134222/">http://chronicle.com/article/Who-Does-
>Your-College-Think/134222/
>
>There is a significant PR aspect to creating
>impressions of "association" in our mass culture,
>despite the inroads of rating services like USNWR, etc.
>
>The link above demonstrates that there's a tendency
>for schools to be "aspirational" in providing peer
>schools to the Dept. of Education and in its
>institutional literature for prospective students,
>alumni and others.
>
>In its 125th year, 'gate football is arguably our most
>visible sport for creating these "association"
>impressions ( to use advertising lingo ) in the public
>mind.
>
>Outside of the traditional "Ivy Envy" epidemic in the
>Northeast that affects each institution differently,
>the reality is that we have little history and little
>similarity with Central Conn State, Monmouth, Marist,
>etc.
>
>However, as the shakeout in scheduling proceeds, PL fb
>schools have few choices from the "Peer School"
>designation where the recognition is reciprocal.
>Obviously Colgate can't play Div. III Bowdoin,
>Washington and Lee, Wesleyan, and even Div I Davidson.
>Although these schools share a lot with Colgate
>institutionally, they're available for scheduling. So,
>we'll have to be patient with how this new environment
>for PL fb scheduling evolves.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>let the Ivy League have them. Look forward to the
>>day
>>>>when the Ivies want US to play THEM, not the other
>>way
>>>>around...and even then, we would do the traveling.
>>>Perhaps. Some Ivies still want to play us,ie
>>>Princeton,Yale.
>>>Others only want to play a PL team they can beat,ie
>>>Harvard. Guessing Hoyas will get a lot of Ivy games
>:)

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[> [> [> Re: 2015 PL fb O.O.C. Opponents -- 60'salum, 08/13/15 4:27:40pm Thu

>>The Monmouth & CCU's of the world were incorporated
>>into our schedule under the old AD, one of Vicky's
>>priorities when she came in as the interim was to
>>upgrade the schedule. I'd say mission accomplished on
>>that front, and I'm sure scholarships helped... don't
>>think Richmond would have played us without them, for
>>example, not to mention making it much easier to
>>schedule FBS teams.
>>
>>Regarding the Ivies wanting us to travel, that was
>>much more prevalent in the past than it is now.
>>Moving forward, having schollies makes it much easier
>>for us to tell them we'll shop for other opponents if
>>they won't make the return trip to Hammy.
>There is undoubtedly going to be more of a crunch
>scheduling in the northeast in the future. More on
>Ivies than us.

Princeton's fortunes tend to be up and down, but it would be a shame to drop them from the schedule permanently. Their geographic location has always been trumpeted by 'Gate because the game down there puts us in a showcase in a great recruiting area. Showing our flag in the Garden State will help us overall and having them come to Hammy would be frosting on the cake.

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[> [> [> [> Re: 2015 PL fb O.O.C. Opponents -- Gate'83, 08/14/15 7:33:51am Fri


>Princeton's fortunes tend to be up and down, but it
>would be a shame to drop them from the schedule
>permanently. Their geographic location has always been
>trumpeted by 'Gate because the game down there puts us
>in a showcase in a great recruiting area. Showing our
>flag in the Garden State will help us overall and
>having them come to Hammy would be frosting on the
>cake.

My understanding is that Princeton has dropped us from their schedule, not the other way around. We would love to continue the series but the Tigers have shown no interest in renewing. Hopefully that changes in the future, as I agree they are both a traditional rival and a great showcase for us in NJ.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: 2015 PL fb O.O.C. Opponents -- Go...'gate, 08/14/15 10:04:50pm Fri

>
>>Princeton's fortunes tend to be up and down, but it
>>would be a shame to drop them from the schedule
>>permanently. Their geographic location has always been
>>trumpeted by 'Gate because the game down there puts us
>>in a showcase in a great recruiting area. Showing our
>>flag in the Garden State will help us overall and
>>having them come to Hammy would be frosting on the
>>cake.
>
>My understanding is that Princeton has dropped us from
>their schedule, not the other way around. We would
>love to continue the series but the Tigers have shown
>no interest in renewing. Hopefully that changes in
>the future, as I agree they are both a traditional
>rival and a great showcase for us in NJ.

Yes. Princeton (specifically Gary Walters) dropped us. It is my understanding that this October's game will be the last between the schools for the forseeable future. Princeton will continue to play Lafayette and Lehigh, but our position on the schedule will be taken by Georgetown, Davidson or Marist. Very disappointing.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: 2015 PL fb O.O.C. Opponents -- gate, 08/14/15 10:53:30pm Fri

It must be because we win and make Princeton look bad. And Marist will not.

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