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Date Posted:10:53:52 09/14/09 Mon Author Host/IP: inetnar10x.ft28.upmc.edu/128.147.28.1 In reply to:
charisse
's message, "Re: going through a rough time" on 17:14:54 09/11/09 Fri
>>>Im kind of sad tonight. I've been a nurse 8 years
>and
>>>am in my 8 year of sobriety." We are in state survey
>at
>Jim,
>
>I fail to see where these comments of yours apply to
>this topic since the poster has 8 yrs clean and is in
>AA...
>
>
>
>>And also note that the claimed five percent of A.A.
>>newcomers who are still left after one year is exactly
>>the same number as the usual rate of spontaneous
>>remission among alcoholics — five percent per year.
>>That is, in any randomly-selected population of
>>alcoholics, approximately five percent per year will
>>finally get sick and tired of being sick and tired,
>>and they will just quit drinking. And the Harvard
>>Medical School says that 80% of those successful
>>quitters do it by themselves, alone, without any
>>"treatment program" or any "support group".
>>If we subtract the normal spontaneous remission rate
>>for alcoholism of five percent per year from A.A.'s
>>claimed success rate of five percent, we get zero for
>>A.A.'s real effective cure rate.
>>
>>A.A. does not actually make anybody quit drinking; it
>>just takes the credit for the people who were going to
>>quit anyway. A.A. is just taking the credit for
>>peoples' efforts to save their own lives.
Re: going through a rough time