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Date Posted: 17:45:27 02/18/03 Tue
Author: statefan
Subject: Re: NU Hoop Fan, please clarify one point for me
In reply to: NU Hoop Fan 's message, "Re: NU Hoop Fan, please clarify one point for me" on 16:18:10 02/18/03 Tue

>>>Wow, twice in one week I agree with MJ. Someone pass
>>>me a drink..
>>>
>>>I think that every team in the league needs to look
>>>inward and to the future, and that, believe it or not
>>>is what NU is doing. I think it believes that the AE
>>>model won't work long term and while the CAA isn't a
>>>100% perfect fit, it's probably better for the future
>>>than the AE.
>>>
>>>I think teams in our league are already exploring
>>>their options outside of the AE, it's obvious NU is
>>>doing it, but I'd think that at least 2 or 3 others
>>>might be doing the same.
>>>
>>>As for Mr. Monasch, please do me a favor, show up
>>>Wednesday night next week when NU plays Albany. I'd
>>>like to introduce you to some people.. they're called
>>>your constituents.. namely the players and fans of
>the
>>>AE who are suffering under your leadership.
>>>
>>>You think NU would be looking for a home in a league
>>>that is going to cost the school in excess of $100K
>>>per year MORE if it thought the AE was the right
>>>place? To quote Northeastern Political Science
>>>Professor Michael Dukakis, "the fish rots from the
>>>head down." and you sir, are the biggest flounder in
>>>the AE pond, and you're messing it up for everyone.
>>>
>>>So keep getting tans at NCAA conventions, sitting on
>>>boards and worrying only about money and your own
>>>personal ego. Soon you'll be like Chet Simmons, Dave
>>>DeBuscherre and Vince McMahon, the commissioner of a
>>>league that no longer exists...
>>>
>>>By the way, when you're at the game, I'll introduce
>>>you to Jose Juan Barea. When he needed your help
>with
>>>this NCAA mess, the league took a pass and told NU it
>>>was its own problem. I thought that a commissioner
>of
>>>a league is supposed to support its member teams.
>>>What you did to Barea and the NU was downright
>>>embarassing to the league.
>>>
>>>You won't show up at NU on Wednesday, you don't have
>>>the balls. But, I'll be at the AE Tournament, and
>>>good luck trying to avoid me, or the rest of the
>>>posters on this board... We'll find you, and we hope
>>>you'll have the balls to talk to us.
>>Are you saying that the Commish handled the Barea
>>suspension differently than he has handled similar
>>situations in the past? Or, are you saying that he has
>>consistently mishandled these situations throughout
>>his tenure? Or are you saying the Barea suspension is
>>unique?
>
>I don't know what he did with the Albany thing (Anyone
>from Albany know), but I know that Monasch sits on a
>few high power (Believe it or not) committees on the
>NCAA's board, and the he didn't get involved at all.
>
>I know when other schools in other leagues face these
>problems, the league offices always get involved to
>protect the interests of their members (unless you're
>dealing with a Bobby Knight or a Jerry Tarkanian or a
>highly egregious violation).
>
>Monasch was the commissioner of the NEC before he came
>to the AE. He replaced Stu "Eddie" Haskell as
>commissioner. Haskell wasn't bad, but he presided
>over the league in a different time. People who
>worked for Haskell at the NAC have gone on to some
>very good athletic administration careers.
>
>Heck, I'm going to apply for the job when Monasch
>leaves.
I don't know what his involvement was in the Karim Ouattara suspension of last season, but at the time there was a rumor, and let me stress the word rumor, that it was one of the opposing AE coaches who asked the NCAA to investigate the matter. If that were the case, it would be logical for the commissioner to keep out of it. I'm not defending the guy; I really don't know enough about these issues to have a clear cut opinion; I'm only saying if one member school asked for an investigation of another's player, the Commissioner shouldn't become involved. As for someone's comments yesterday that all he does is sit courtside and read the paper, I must say that I have seen him at the RACC three times over the past two years, and that exactly describes his behavior on each occasion.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: NU Hoop Fan, please clarify one point for me -- NU Hoop Fan, 18:03:48 02/18/03 Tue

It's more than a rumor based on what I've heard (someone turning Albany in). Someone from the league allegedly (wink wink) reported the Barea thing, and did it in a very timely manner. The NCAA doesn't report these things, but I've heard it was a league team.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Hey NU Hoop Fan -- buhoops, 12:23:23 02/20/03 Thu

>It's more than a rumor based on what I've heard
>(someone turning Albany in). Someone from the league
>allegedly (wink wink) reported the Barea thing, and
>did it in a very timely manner. The NCAA doesn't
>report these things, but I've heard it was a league
>team.

You wouldn't be implying that there's something wrong if a team reports another team in its league for wrongdoing, would you? Following the argument you've been putting forth about schools having to do what's best for themselves, I think you'd have to agree that a coach who reports another team for violating the rules is doing what's best for his program and, for that matter, for the league as a whole. It's certainly not in the best interest of a school or a league to have another school gaining an unfair advantage by breaking (Barea) or bending (walkons) the rules by which everyone is supposed to play, is it?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Hey BU Hoop Fan... -- NU Hoop Fan, 13:20:21 02/20/03 Thu

#1 - NU isn't bending any rules with regards to walk ons. The rules are the rules and Northeastern, Duke, Arizona, Indiana, Michigan and Michigan State (among others) are all following the rules for walk ons given the 5/8 structure.

#2 - There's always been a "gentleman's agreement" regarding these things in terms of recruiting, not just in the AE, but in the NCAA as a whole. Is the gentleman's agreement correct, I don't know.

For example, NU knew about the Yinka Dare recruiting issue at GWU as it was happening, but didn't do anything about it because of this "unwritten rule" that said unless you had witnessed the violation and it was a CLEAR violation (which the Barea thing obviously isn't), you kept your mouth shut.

If you can clearly show me the rule J.J. Barea broke while he competed in the Puerto Rican League (emphasis on while he competed in the Puerto Rican League), I'll buy you a drink. This is an ex post facto application of a rule that didn't exist last year.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hey NU Hoop Fan... -- Patch, 13:33:12 02/20/03 Thu

Now you sound like NU Grad - what transpired in Puerto Rico was totally OK so the NCAA sat Barea for 3 games??????

>#1 - NU isn't bending any rules with regards to walk
>ons. The rules are the rules and Northeastern, Duke,
>Arizona, Indiana, Michigan and Michigan State (among
>others) are all following the rules for walk ons given
>the 5/8 structure.
>
>#2 - There's always been a "gentleman's agreement"
>regarding these things in terms of recruiting, not
>just in the AE, but in the NCAA as a whole. Is the
>gentleman's agreement correct, I don't know.
>
>For example, NU knew about the Yinka Dare recruiting
>issue at GWU as it was happening, but didn't do
>anything about it because of this "unwritten rule"
>that said unless you had witnessed the violation and
>it was a CLEAR violation (which the Barea thing
>obviously isn't), you kept your mouth shut.
>
>If you can clearly show me the rule J.J. Barea broke
>while he competed in the Puerto Rican League (emphasis
>on while he competed in the Puerto Rican League), I'll
>buy you a drink. This is an ex post facto application
>of a rule that didn't exist last year.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hey NU Hoop Fan... -- NU Hoop Fan, 13:41:49 02/20/03 Thu

Read last week's Boston Herald, I think it was Thursday's paper, it explains it VERY clearly.

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