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Date Posted: 21:12:59 03/18/03 Tue
Author: mainejeff
Subject: Re: Next year's women's basketball outlook
In reply to: Josh 's message, "Next year's women's basketball outlook" on 18:25:57 03/18/03 Tue

>What happend to the conference this year? So strong
>overall the previous year, and with the exception of
>Maine, Vermont, and (surprise!) Boston, the rest of
>the conference was anywhere between mediocre and
>downright awful.
>
>Most improved team was definitely Albany. Looked good
>at times, but still couldn't figure out how to win.
>
>Northeastern? Blah.... New Hampshire? At times
>looked respectable, but lost twice to Binghamton.
>Hartford? How many synonyms to you know for
>miserable? Fluke that they won the tournament last
>year, fueled mainly by their homecourt advantage
>throughout the playoffs. Almost didn't finish eighth
>this year, and narrowly avoided missing the playoffs
>in their own gym!
>
>Biggest underachievers? A toss up between Stonybrook
>and possibly Binghamton. Stonybrook had (arguably)
>the best player in the conference in Sherry Jordan,
>and they were still miserable even with her.
>Binghamton? Coming off a great ten year run averaging
>over 20 wins a year. Had a great thing going last
>year until they lost Truncale in mid season. Still
>managed to win 19, with the player of the year,
>Cartmill, leading the way. Coach Kelly's magic run of
>the last four years ended with the graduation of the
>last of the three superstars she inherited from her
>predecessor. The reality that she's recruited just
>about nobody throughout her tenure during the past
>four years has come home, and despite two talented
>freshemen this year, their prospects look grim for the
>immediate future.
>
>Let's hope everyone gets a lot better quickly.

I think Binghamton and Stony Brook are looking like the weakest teams for next season at this point.

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[> Re: Next year's women's basketball outlook -- animal, 21:18:46 03/18/03 Tue

>What happend to the conference this year? So strong
>overall the previous year, and with the exception of
>Maine, Vermont, and (surprise!) Boston, the rest of
>the conference was anywhere between mediocre and
>downright awful.
>
>Most improved team was definitely Albany. Looked good
>at times, but still couldn't figure out how to win.
>
>Northeastern? Blah.... New Hampshire? At times
>looked respectable, but lost twice to Binghamton.
>Hartford? How many synonyms to you know for
>miserable? Fluke that they won the tournament last
>year, fueled mainly by their homecourt advantage
>throughout the playoffs. Almost didn't finish eighth
>this year, and narrowly avoided missing the playoffs
>in their own gym!
>
>Biggest underachievers? A toss up between Stonybrook
>and possibly Binghamton. Stonybrook had (arguably)
>the best player in the conference in Sherry Jordan,
>and they were still miserable even with her.
>Binghamton? Coming off a great ten year run averaging
>over 20 wins a year. Had a great thing going last
>year until they lost Truncale in mid season. Still
>managed to win 19, with the player of the year,
>Cartmill, leading the way. Coach Kelly's magic run of
>the last four years ended with the graduation of the
>last of the three superstars she inherited from her
>predecessor. The reality that she's recruited just
>about nobody throughout her tenure during the past
>four years has come home, and despite two talented
>freshemen this year, their prospects look grim for the
>immediate future.
>
>Let's hope everyone gets a lot better quickly.

I'm not going to predict a finishing order for next year, but here's a quick capsule of every team in alphabetical order:

Albany - loses McGinlay, but Hutcheson is a quality center. They get Ayers back next year, but they will still be hanging around the cellar.

Binghamton - I thought this was the worst team in the conference this year, how they won six games in the league is beyond me. Other than Townley, this team sucks.

Boston U. - Lose Argentieri, but bring back the best "scorer" in the league in Terhune. Also should be helped by the addition of Bonner (Stanford transfer, Matt's sister).

Hartford - They were in every game this year, but lose leading scorer Pezzetta and doesn't look like there is anyone ready to step up. Hope they don't host the tournament again because they will be one and out again.

Maine - Will be EXTREMELY tough with the league sinking lower and returning everyone. 16-0 again is a possibility, along with back-to-back POY honors for Ernest.

UNH - Extremely inconsistent as they have been for the last few years. Matthias is a workhorse and probably Ernest's top competition for POY (along with Terhune). Next year's juniors are good but freshmen class didn't do anything.

Northeastern - A lot of good young talent, I'd look for them to be the most improved team. Kowalski can shoot the lights out and Williams is a pretty good point guard. Vanin is also starting to come into her own.

Stony Brook - Sherry Jordan, maybe Danyelle Ingram, and a bunch of scrubs. I think if Jordan "brought it" every night she would be POY and the 'Wolves would be a lot better.

Vermont - Loses Hall and Cressman, but return several key components. Someone will have to replace Hall's scoring, last year's class that was ballyhooed as freshmen will have to step up next year.

UMBC(?): Reached NEC final, don't know a thing about them.

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[> [> Re: Next year's women's basketball outlook -- BearcatFan, 22:37:12 03/18/03 Tue

Just to stick up for the Bearcats women's team. Considering they beat UNH twice, how can they be the worst team in the conference. Yes I guess they were awful at Albany, but gave Vermont a great game on the road twice, in BUrlington and at the AE Tournament, and gave Maine a huge scare on TV at home.

One must factor in the loss of agrueably two of best players in the history of the program, both 1,000 point/ 1,000 rebounders. Also they lost 1/2 guard Andrea Herold before the year started and then lost starting center Nicole Dypolt the second conference game of the year.

They return a very young team that should get better. With Townley, and improved Jen Blues and Rachael Laws on the outside and Dypolt and Hibler, who really came on at the end of the year, inside. They could be competitive. Their last scholarship is a big one.

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[> [> [> Re: Next year's women's basketball outlook -- animal, 23:21:19 03/18/03 Tue

>Just to stick up for the Bearcats women's team.
>Considering they beat UNH twice, how can they be the
>worst team in the conference. Yes I guess they were
>awful at Albany, but gave Vermont a great game on the
>road twice, in BUrlington and at the AE Tournament,
>and gave Maine a huge scare on TV at home.
>
>One must factor in the loss of agrueably two of best
>players in the history of the program, both 1,000
>point/ 1,000 rebounders. Also they lost 1/2 guard
>Andrea Herold before the year started and then lost
>starting center Nicole Dypolt the second conference
>game of the year.
>
>They return a very young team that should get better.
>With Townley, and improved Jen Blues and Rachael Laws
>on the outside and Dypolt and Hibler, who really came
>on at the end of the year, inside. They could be
>competitive. Their last scholarship is a big one.

I forgot about Blues, she is good, but I stand by my assertions that the rest of the team sucks and they were the worst team in the league. Beating UNH twice is no big deal, you never know which team is gonna show up for them. You probably caught them on two of their off nights.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Next year's women's basketball outlook -- SpinDr, 10:07:45 03/19/03 Wed

>>Just to stick up for the Bearcats women's team.
>>Considering they beat UNH twice, how can they be the
>>worst team in the conference. Yes I guess they were
>>awful at Albany, but gave Vermont a great game on the
>>road twice, in BUrlington and at the AE Tournament,
>>and gave Maine a huge scare on TV at home.
>>
>>One must factor in the loss of agrueably two of best
>>players in the history of the program, both 1,000
>>point/ 1,000 rebounders. Also they lost 1/2 guard



I think that Boston U and Maine will be the top 2 teams. Yes, Boston U loses Argentieri, but freshman Vanderwal was injured most of the season. Boston U has Miss Basketball from Wisconsin signed up for next year and a good guard from Chicago.
If Schrader can get stronger, Maine would have a relaible post presence to make life easier for Ernest. Heon will probably have a solid senior year.
Vermont remains a question mark. Would Keith be a candidate for the Syracuse job?
Binghamton will be in the middle as will UNH. UNH plays hard but they lack any type of spark as a team. Mathias can be neutralized for 40 minutes. No guards.
Albany will be better and should qualify for the AE tourney next year.
Hartford will still be searching for a replacement for Janeka Lopp's Big East level talent. Losing Dorcas and Eleazer will be a blow for next year.
Stony Brook has the talented but trouble-prone Jordan. She has talent way above the AE, but sat out multiple games for a variety of reasons.
Northeastern will win the race to the cellar, marking White's 4 straight losing campaign. Will she last for a 5th season?
Is UMBC coming to the league or what?









>>Andrea Herold before the year started and then lost
>>starting center Nicole Dypolt the second conference
>>game of the year.
>>
>>They return a very young team that should get better.
>>With Townley, and improved Jen Blues and Rachael Laws
>>on the outside and Dypolt and Hibler, who really came
>>on at the end of the year, inside. They could be
>>competitive. Their last scholarship is a big one.
>
>I forgot about Blues, she is good, but I stand by my
>assertions that the rest of the team sucks and they
>were the worst team in the league. Beating UNH twice
>is no big deal, you never know which team is gonna
>show up for them. You probably caught them on two of
>their off nights.

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[> [> Re: Next year's women's basketball outlook -- BearcatFan, 22:38:27 03/18/03 Tue

Just to stick up for the Bearcats women's team. Considering they beat UNH twice, how can they be the worst team in the conference. Yes I guess they were awful at Albany, but gave Vermont a great game on the road twice, in BUrlington and at the AE Tournament, and gave Maine a huge scare on TV at home.

One must factor in the loss of agrueably two of best players in the history of the program, both 1,000 point/ 1,000 rebounders. Also they lost 1/2 guard Andrea Herold before the year started and then lost starting center Nicole Dypolt the second conference game of the year.

They return a very young team that should get better. With Townley, and improved Jen Blues and Rachael Laws on the outside and Dypolt and Hibler, who really came on at the end of the year, inside. They could be competitive. Their last scholarship is a big one.

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[> [> Re: Next year's women's basketball outlook -- Bigfoot, 08:28:38 03/19/03 Wed

>>What happend to the conference this year? So strong
>>overall the previous year, and with the exception of
>>Maine, Vermont, and (surprise!) Boston, the rest of
>>the conference was anywhere between mediocre and
>>downright awful.
>>
>>Most improved team was definitely Albany. Looked good
>>at times, but still couldn't figure out how to win.
>>
>>Northeastern? Blah.... New Hampshire? At times
>>looked respectable, but lost twice to Binghamton.
>>Hartford? How many synonyms to you know for
>>miserable? Fluke that they won the tournament last
>>year, fueled mainly by their homecourt advantage
>>throughout the playoffs. Almost didn't finish eighth
>>this year, and narrowly avoided missing the playoffs
>>in their own gym!
>>
>>Biggest underachievers? A toss up between Stonybrook
>>and possibly Binghamton. Stonybrook had (arguably)
>>the best player in the conference in Sherry Jordan,
>>and they were still miserable even with her.
>>Binghamton? Coming off a great ten year run averaging
>>over 20 wins a year. Had a great thing going last
>>year until they lost Truncale in mid season. Still
>>managed to win 19, with the player of the year,
>>Cartmill, leading the way. Coach Kelly's magic run of
>>the last four years ended with the graduation of the
>>last of the three superstars she inherited from her
>>predecessor. The reality that she's recruited just
>>about nobody throughout her tenure during the past
>>four years has come home, and despite two talented
>>freshemen this year, their prospects look grim for the
>>immediate future.
>>
>>Let's hope everyone gets a lot better quickly.
>
>I'm not going to predict a finishing order for next
>year, but here's a quick capsule of every team in
>alphabetical order:
>
>Albany - loses McGinlay, but Hutcheson is a quality
>center. They get Ayers back next year, but they will
>still be hanging around the cellar.
>
>Binghamton - I thought this was the worst team in the
>conference this year, how they won six games in the
>league is beyond me. Other than Townley, this team
>sucks.
>
>Boston U. - Lose Argentieri, but bring back the best
>"scorer" in the league in Terhune. Also should be
>helped by the addition of Bonner (Stanford transfer,
>Matt's sister).
>
>Hartford - They were in every game this year, but lose
>leading scorer Pezzetta and doesn't look like there is
>anyone ready to step up. Hope they don't host the
>tournament again because they will be one and out
>again.
>
>Maine - Will be EXTREMELY tough with the league
>sinking lower and returning everyone. 16-0 again is a
>possibility, along with back-to-back POY honors for
>Ernest.
>
>UNH - Extremely inconsistent as they have been for the
>last few years. Matthias is a workhorse and probably
>Ernest's top competition for POY (along with Terhune).
> Next year's juniors are good but freshmen class
>didn't do anything.
>
>Northeastern - A lot of good young talent, I'd look
>for them to be the most improved team. Kowalski can
>shoot the lights out and Williams is a pretty good
>point guard. Vanin is also starting to come into her
>own.
>
>Stony Brook - Sherry Jordan, maybe Danyelle Ingram,
>and a bunch of scrubs. I think if Jordan "brought it"
>every night she would be POY and the 'Wolves would be
>a lot better.
>
>Vermont - Loses Hall and Cressman, but return several
>key components. Someone will have to replace Hall's
>scoring, last year's class that was ballyhooed as
>freshmen will have to step up next year.
>
>UMBC(?): Reached NEC final, don't know a thing about
>them.

Good summary. I agree with most of your observations.

Another point about this year's lower conference RPI:
some teams were not at full strength during the
non-conference schedule. For example, Ernest missed
3 Maine games because of the textbook suspension and
Jordan missed 9 SBU games, 8 of which were
non-conference, because of suspensions or injury
(I don't know which).

Vermont didn't have Yantze at full strength in the
middle of the season, but their strength of schedule
hurt them too. Despite an identical record (21-8),
UVM's RPI was 120 this year as opposed to 60 last
year.

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[> [> Re: Next year's women's basketball outlook -- Bigfoot, 08:29:48 03/19/03 Wed

>>What happend to the conference this year? So strong
>>overall the previous year, and with the exception of
>>Maine, Vermont, and (surprise!) Boston, the rest of
>>the conference was anywhere between mediocre and
>>downright awful.
>>
>>Most improved team was definitely Albany. Looked good
>>at times, but still couldn't figure out how to win.
>>
>>Northeastern? Blah.... New Hampshire? At times
>>looked respectable, but lost twice to Binghamton.
>>Hartford? How many synonyms to you know for
>>miserable? Fluke that they won the tournament last
>>year, fueled mainly by their homecourt advantage
>>throughout the playoffs. Almost didn't finish eighth
>>this year, and narrowly avoided missing the playoffs
>>in their own gym!
>>
>>Biggest underachievers? A toss up between Stonybrook
>>and possibly Binghamton. Stonybrook had (arguably)
>>the best player in the conference in Sherry Jordan,
>>and they were still miserable even with her.
>>Binghamton? Coming off a great ten year run averaging
>>over 20 wins a year. Had a great thing going last
>>year until they lost Truncale in mid season. Still
>>managed to win 19, with the player of the year,
>>Cartmill, leading the way. Coach Kelly's magic run of
>>the last four years ended with the graduation of the
>>last of the three superstars she inherited from her
>>predecessor. The reality that she's recruited just
>>about nobody throughout her tenure during the past
>>four years has come home, and despite two talented
>>freshemen this year, their prospects look grim for the
>>immediate future.
>>
>>Let's hope everyone gets a lot better quickly.
>
>I'm not going to predict a finishing order for next
>year, but here's a quick capsule of every team in
>alphabetical order:
>
>Albany - loses McGinlay, but Hutcheson is a quality
>center. They get Ayers back next year, but they will
>still be hanging around the cellar.
>
>Binghamton - I thought this was the worst team in the
>conference this year, how they won six games in the
>league is beyond me. Other than Townley, this team
>sucks.
>
>Boston U. - Lose Argentieri, but bring back the best
>"scorer" in the league in Terhune. Also should be
>helped by the addition of Bonner (Stanford transfer,
>Matt's sister).
>
>Hartford - They were in every game this year, but lose
>leading scorer Pezzetta and doesn't look like there is
>anyone ready to step up. Hope they don't host the
>tournament again because they will be one and out
>again.
>
>Maine - Will be EXTREMELY tough with the league
>sinking lower and returning everyone. 16-0 again is a
>possibility, along with back-to-back POY honors for
>Ernest.
>
>UNH - Extremely inconsistent as they have been for the
>last few years. Matthias is a workhorse and probably
>Ernest's top competition for POY (along with Terhune).
> Next year's juniors are good but freshmen class
>didn't do anything.
>
>Northeastern - A lot of good young talent, I'd look
>for them to be the most improved team. Kowalski can
>shoot the lights out and Williams is a pretty good
>point guard. Vanin is also starting to come into her
>own.
>
>Stony Brook - Sherry Jordan, maybe Danyelle Ingram,
>and a bunch of scrubs. I think if Jordan "brought it"
>every night she would be POY and the 'Wolves would be
>a lot better.
>
>Vermont - Loses Hall and Cressman, but return several
>key components. Someone will have to replace Hall's
>scoring, last year's class that was ballyhooed as
>freshmen will have to step up next year.
>
>UMBC(?): Reached NEC final, don't know a thing about
>them.

Good summary. I agree with most of your observations.

Another point about this year's lower conference RPI:
some teams were not at full strength during the
non-conference schedule. For example, Ernest missed
3 Maine games because of the textbook suspension and
Jordan missed 9 SBU games, 8 of which were
non-conference, because of suspensions or injury
(I don't know which).

Vermont didn't have Yantze at full strength in the
middle of the season, but their strength of schedule
hurt them too. Despite an identical record (21-8),
UVM's RPI was 120 this year as opposed to 60 last
year.

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[> [> [> Re: Next year's women's basketball outlook -- statefan, 09:57:28 03/19/03 Wed

>>>What happend to the conference this year? So strong
>>>overall the previous year, and with the exception of
>>>Maine, Vermont, and (surprise!) Boston, the rest of
>>>the conference was anywhere between mediocre and
>>>downright awful.
>>>
>>>Most improved team was definitely Albany. Looked
>good
>>>at times, but still couldn't figure out how to win.
>>>
>>>Northeastern? Blah.... New Hampshire? At times
>>>looked respectable, but lost twice to Binghamton.
>>>Hartford? How many synonyms to you know for
>>>miserable? Fluke that they won the tournament last
>>>year, fueled mainly by their homecourt advantage
>>>throughout the playoffs. Almost didn't finish eighth
>>>this year, and narrowly avoided missing the playoffs
>>>in their own gym!
>>>
>>>Biggest underachievers? A toss up between Stonybrook
>>>and possibly Binghamton. Stonybrook had (arguably)
>>>the best player in the conference in Sherry Jordan,
>>>and they were still miserable even with her.
>>>Binghamton? Coming off a great ten year run
>averaging
>>>over 20 wins a year. Had a great thing going last
>>>year until they lost Truncale in mid season. Still
>>>managed to win 19, with the player of the year,
>>>Cartmill, leading the way. Coach Kelly's magic run
>of
>>>the last four years ended with the graduation of the
>>>last of the three superstars she inherited from her
>>>predecessor. The reality that she's recruited just
>>>about nobody throughout her tenure during the past
>>>four years has come home, and despite two talented
>>>freshemen this year, their prospects look grim for
>the
>>>immediate future.
>>>
>>>Let's hope everyone gets a lot better quickly.
>>
>>I'm not going to predict a finishing order for next
>>year, but here's a quick capsule of every team in
>>alphabetical order:
>>
>>Albany - loses McGinlay, but Hutcheson is a quality
>>center. They get Ayers back next year, but they will
>>still be hanging around the cellar.
>>
>>Binghamton - I thought this was the worst team in the
>>conference this year, how they won six games in the
>>league is beyond me. Other than Townley, this team
>>sucks.
>>
>>Boston U. - Lose Argentieri, but bring back the best
>>"scorer" in the league in Terhune. Also should be
>>helped by the addition of Bonner (Stanford transfer,
>>Matt's sister).
>>
>>Hartford - They were in every game this year, but lose
>>leading scorer Pezzetta and doesn't look like there is
>>anyone ready to step up. Hope they don't host the
>>tournament again because they will be one and out
>>again.
>>
>>Maine - Will be EXTREMELY tough with the league
>>sinking lower and returning everyone. 16-0 again is a
>>possibility, along with back-to-back POY honors for
>>Ernest.
>>
>>UNH - Extremely inconsistent as they have been for the
>>last few years. Matthias is a workhorse and probably
>>Ernest's top competition for POY (along with Terhune).
>> Next year's juniors are good but freshmen class
>>didn't do anything.
>>
>>Northeastern - A lot of good young talent, I'd look
>>for them to be the most improved team. Kowalski can
>>shoot the lights out and Williams is a pretty good
>>point guard. Vanin is also starting to come into her
>>own.
>>
>>Stony Brook - Sherry Jordan, maybe Danyelle Ingram,
>>and a bunch of scrubs. I think if Jordan "brought it"
>>every night she would be POY and the 'Wolves would be
>>a lot better.
>>
>>Vermont - Loses Hall and Cressman, but return several
>>key components. Someone will have to replace Hall's
>>scoring, last year's class that was ballyhooed as
>>freshmen will have to step up next year.
>>
>>UMBC(?): Reached NEC final, don't know a thing about
>>them.
>
>Good summary. I agree with most of your observations.
>
>Another point about this year's lower conference RPI:
>some teams were not at full strength during the
>non-conference schedule. For example, Ernest missed
>3 Maine games because of the textbook suspension and
>Jordan missed 9 SBU games, 8 of which were
>non-conference, because of suspensions or injury
>(I don't know which).
>
>Vermont didn't have Yantze at full strength in the
>middle of the season, but their strength of schedule
>hurt them too. Despite an identical record (21-8),
>UVM's RPI was 120 this year as opposed to 60 last
>year.
Question regarding the 2004 AE women's tournament. In an article I read towards the end of the season, there was a footnoted quote from Coach Patterson to the effect that beginning next year all teams would play in the conference tournament. I haven't heard or read this anywhere else. If true, does it have anything to do with the possible addition of UMBE and/or subtraction of Northeastern? Can anyone enlighten me?

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[> [> [> [> Simple solution > Play-In Game Format -- AlbanyObserver, 11:26:58 03/19/03 Wed

Coach Patterson received a memo from the conference office stating that every team will be playing in the postseason tourney next season. Many people read into this as the AE will be gaining or dropping a school next season. Wrongo!! AE will be setting up a new tourney format where the 8 and 9 teams will do a play-in game to meet the #1 seed in the first round.

I always disagreed with the conference's move to eliminate the final team over the past two years. Obviously, Albany suffered from the situation. I am sorry but when you establish three new conference members as they did last year, you need to include all of them in their first conference tournament. Great place to meet everyone > teams, players and athletic dept staff. Albany has been denied this the past two years. I am not making excuses, but Stony Brook, Binghamton and Albany are still under five years at the Division I level. Kudos to what the Seawolves and Bearcats have been able to accomplish in such a short time. Albany will get there. Just getting through their infancy now and things are moving in the right direction.

Remember, the men will have to use the same 8/9 play-in game format next year as well with the Bearcats becoming eligible for postseason play.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Simple solution > Play-In Game Format -- Bigfoot, 11:49:17 03/19/03 Wed

>Coach Patterson received a memo from the conference
>office stating that every team will be playing in the
>postseason tourney next season. Many people read into
>this as the AE will be gaining or dropping a school
>next season. Wrongo!! AE will be setting up a new
>tourney format where the 8 and 9 teams will do a
>play-in game to meet the #1 seed in the first round.
>
>I always disagreed with the conference's move to
>eliminate the final team over the past two years.
>Obviously, Albany suffered from the situation. I am
>sorry but when you establish three new conference
>members as they did last year, you need to include all
>of them in their first conference tournament. Great
>place to meet everyone > teams, players and athletic
>dept staff. Albany has been denied this the past two
>years. I am not making excuses, but Stony Brook,
>Binghamton and Albany are still under five years at
>the Division I level. Kudos to what the Seawolves and
>Bearcats have been able to accomplish in such a short
>time. Albany will get there. Just getting through
>their infancy now and things are moving in the right
>direction.
>
>Remember, the men will have to use the same 8/9
>play-in game format next year as well with the
>Bearcats becoming eligible for postseason play.

The question is, can the league continue the
back-to-back-to-back format for the womens'
tournament if another game is added for the 8/9
teams? As it is, the 3 days in a row setup is
artificial and not always conducive to the best
team winning.

By the way, why are my posts showing twice when I
hit Send only once?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Play-in game is not a good idea -- mainejeff, 12:52:28 03/19/03 Wed

I hate the play-in game because it reinforces mediocrity. That is, every coach knows they will make the tourney, so why try and improve as a team......it's a safety net that just isn't needed.

Second, as previously mentioned.....there is no way a women's team (or any team) should have to play 4 straight days as the #8 or #9 team would to win the tourney.

The only good thing I could see coming out of this is that maybe they will let the highest remaining seed host the championship like the men. That way we can send 25-5 teams rather than 16-14 teams to the NCAA Tourney (sorry.....had to get that dig in). Also, you would think that America East would rather draw 4,000 people (estimated for Orono)rather than 900 (Hartford) like this past weekend.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Mainejeff rebuff -- AlbanyObserver, 14:15:04 03/19/03 Wed

Sounds like sour grapes for mainejeff:) Thought Maine should have received an at-large bid. Hope to see you guys play Siena's women in the second round of the NIT.

In terms of discussing the AE Tourney format -- Why not reward the #1 seed with a first round bye and/or automatic jump to the semifinals of the tourney? I think the MAAC men had this format this season. An 8 or 9 seed should be given the chance to make the NCAAs regardless. That is what March Madness is all about -- it is a whole new season.

I just don't think it is right to leave someone at home. Conferences are families correct??? You don't exclude your own kin. I realize this isn't the ideal format, but is a necessary avenue until you add or drop another school. Bottom line.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Mainejeff rebuff -- Patch, 14:28:14 03/19/03 Wed

I think the problem of playing four games to win the tournament is fine for the 8th and 9th seed because very rarely will either get by the 2nd game - nothing is impossible but alot is improbable.

>Sounds like sour grapes for mainejeff:) Thought Maine
>should have received an at-large bid. Hope to see you
>guys play Siena's women in the second round of the
>NIT.
>
>In terms of discussing the AE Tourney format -- Why
>not reward the #1 seed with a first round bye and/or
>automatic jump to the semifinals of the tourney? I
>think the MAAC men had this format this season. An 8
>or 9 seed should be given the chance to make the NCAAs
>regardless. That is what March Madness is all about
>-- it is a whole new season.
>
>I just don't think it is right to leave someone at
>home. Conferences are families correct??? You don't
>exclude your own kin. I realize this isn't the ideal
>format, but is a necessary avenue until you add or
>drop another school. Bottom line.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Mainejeff rebuff -- Patch, 14:30:03 03/19/03 Wed

I think the problem of playing four games to win the tournament is fine for the 8th and 9th seed because very rarely will either get by the 2nd game - nothing is impossible but alot is improbable.

>Sounds like sour grapes for mainejeff:) Thought Maine
>should have received an at-large bid. Hope to see you
>guys play Siena's women in the second round of the
>NIT.
>
>In terms of discussing the AE Tourney format -- Why
>not reward the #1 seed with a first round bye and/or
>automatic jump to the semifinals of the tourney? I
>think the MAAC men had this format this season. An 8
>or 9 seed should be given the chance to make the NCAAs
>regardless. That is what March Madness is all about
>-- it is a whole new season.
>
>I just don't think it is right to leave someone at
>home. Conferences are families correct??? You don't
>exclude your own kin. I realize this isn't the ideal
>format, but is a necessary avenue until you add or
>drop another school. Bottom line.

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