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Date Posted: 10:44:27 03/10/03 Mon
Author: NU Hoop Fan
Subject: Oops, Something happened...
In reply to: Van Lier 's message, "Re: 1558 and 802" on 10:08:06 03/10/03 Mon

For the Bostonians out there...

Is it just me, or was there much more PR for the tourney last year as opposed to this year? I remember hearing Wolffie and Everhart and Tommy B on local sports radio pumping the tournament, and I don't think I heard as much this year.

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Also, did anyone see the crowds at the MAAC and Patriot League tournament games?

The Siena/Fairfield game could have been played at Northeastern's gym there were so few people there. The Patriot League games looked sparsely attended as well.

No wonder the AE will bend at the waist and accept a juicy check from Binghamton for the tournament.

Monasch's a pimp and the people in his office are nothing more than the prostitutes who work for him.

What's wrong with local campus sites for the first round? I have to think that for the first round you'd have had something like this for attendance:

BU-UNH 1,800
Maine-NU 2,500
UVM-Albany 2,500
Hart-SBU 2,000

That's 8,800 fans for 4 games.

If you want to extend it even further, you'd have a sellout at BU tonight and a sellout at UVM tonight as well. That's another 4,300 fans for the 2 games. Total of 13,100 for the 6 games.

I'd think the league would make MORE money this way, but if you're going to ask for a guarantee to host the games, then bend over Mr. Monasch, you and your High Street Whores can sell out the league for a few silver coins. Wnjoy Binghamton in March, we probably won't be seeing you there any time soon.

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[> [> [> [> [> AE Tourney - This Year vs Last - NU Hoop Fan -- Coach Wells, 10:52:20 03/10/03 Mon

I agree with your assessment that there seemed to be more hype last year and more excitement.

Here are possible reasons.

1. Last year was the FIRST year of AE tournament in Boston and it was a novelty

2. Economy is still bad

3. Sunday/Monday format is horrible

4. Better promotions last year

5 WAR worries

It too bad because the basektball was outstanding especially Barea's performance. He reminded me of Dana Barros the way Dana could dominate a game from the point guard position.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: AE Tourney - This Year vs Last - NU Hoop Fan -- Van Lier, 11:03:28 03/10/03 Mon

>I agree with your assessment that there seemed to be
>more hype last year and more excitement.
>
>Here are possible reasons.
>
>1. Last year was the FIRST year of AE tournament in
>Boston and it was a novelty
>
>2. Economy is still bad
>
>3. Sunday/Monday format is horrible
>
>4. Better promotions last year
>
>5 WAR worries
>
>It too bad because the basektball was outstanding
>especially Barea's performance. He reminded me of Dana
>Barros the way Dana could dominate a game from the
>point guard position.

NU, you reminded of something I overheard in the hospitality area. Not sure of IDs of participants (a Bing rep and an AE type), but the conversation went something like this: "You put both tournaments in Binghamton next year and I'll gaurantee sellouts for the men's sessions. We won't sell out the women's sessions, but ....." And that's when I left.

Have you heard something concrete, about next year's tourney? How long a drive is it from Boston to Bing?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: AE Tourney - This Year vs Last - NU Hoop Fan -- Dane96, 11:10:41 03/10/03 Mon

>Have you heard something concrete, about next year's
>tourney? How long a drive is it from Boston to Bing?

Probably about 5 hours. 2 and half to Albany, then the same distance to binghamton. I honestly think this tourney would sell out at Binghamton and Albany...and a near sellout at SBU. Not a SUNY bias...just experience w/ the schools and community. SHit, Albany had 3500 for an NYU-ROWAN game!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: AE Tourney - This Year vs Last - NU Hoop Fan -- statefan, 12:37:43 03/10/03 Mon

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>>Have you heard something concrete, about next year's
>>tourney? How long a drive is it from Boston to Bing?
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>Probably about 5 hours. 2 and half to Albany, then the
>same distance to binghamton. I honestly think this
>tourney would sell out at Binghamton and Albany...and
>a near sellout at SBU.
Unless the tournament was scheduled during spring break, as it would have been this year. Binghamton ended classes Friday and is on break now, and Albany just come back from break today. The league really should insist that any host school has to schedulee spring break so that its student are on campus during the tourney.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: AE Tourney - This Year vs Last - NU Hoop Fan -- NU Hoop Fan, 13:07:35 03/10/03 Mon

It's a lovely 310 miles from Boston to Binghamton. No freaking way I'm driving all the way to Binghamton for the AE tournament. Mr. Monsach can turn it into the Al Walker Invitational as far as I'm concerned. Hw's a pimp, and the league officials are all whores, and they all know it.

It's good to see the BingU folks are still whoring it up with the AE people. Last year at NU anyone with a black and green sweater was no further than 3 paces from anyone from the AE office with pictures of their new arena, etc.

I was told that the league is looking to make money on the tournament, and from what you've said Dane, it looks like if Binghamton is going to guarantee a men's sellout at $18 per ticket for 6,000 seats, that's $108K per session for 3 sessions. That's $324K in gross ticket revenue assuming single ticket pricing.

Let's argue that the league will want about $40K for a 3 session pass, so that brings down the Bing gross ticket revenue to $240K, and I was told the league wants about a $30-50K minimum guarantee from the host school, plus a cut of anything in excess of the minimum.

So, Binghamton would have to sell about 1,250 full tickets at $40 a pop to make the minimum. I think it's doable from that standpoint, but then again, I'm sure most schools could come up with that much cash.

But the league wants a "venue" and Binghamton has it. The league could get ticket revenue under my model as well, and I'd argue that it would make more money. Under the "home site" model, the league took about 50% of the gross ticket revenue (from what I remember). IF you use my numbers from before of 13,100 people, at an average ticket price of $15 (you'd have to charge less at the schools for single game admission, and you'd have to charge students as well unless you wanted to underwrite the cost), that gives a total of $196K in revenues. However, there's no travel expenses. EVERYONE would have to travel to Binghamton, and under the home site model, only 3-4 teams would have to travel. The difference in the two scenarios isn't a great deal of money, but we know where the league is going on this.

I actually have a freaking spreadsheet with different scenarios and price points, but at the end of the day, if Binghamton (or any other school) wants to pay for the tourney, it's theirs for the offing.

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