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A discussion of youthful school and institutional nudity.
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Subject: the end of the rule swimming in the nude at school for boys


Author:
jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 05:50:13 07/28/21 Wed

I have read with a great interest the message of Spelvin and all links which are mentioned.

Thre is one point that I don't understand
it is when it is said that title IX of the Education Amendments Act reads is the first reason of the end of the swimming in the nude of boys at school.

I don't understand why because when it is mentioned “No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” it did not mean that boys could not swim in the nude !

For me it meaned that it was impossible to refuse that girls joined a swim team or had a swimming lesson with boys but if all had been mixed like it was already at some schools, there was no issue, it was not mentioned that boys might wear a swim suit like girls, boys could be naked and girls wear a swim suit ; as long as they could be together the title IX was respected.

The major issue would have been if girls had asked to swimm in the nude and it was refused because of their gender which was a dicrimation based on gender but I presume that it did not happen often.

Normally in most relations girls who were in a mixed class or team at school enjoyed to be allowed to wear a swim suit.

Of course if boys wanted to wear a swim suit, there could have been also an issue but the solution was to decide that the board of school might be asked for the apply of the rule, and the parents could have been asked what they wanted, at that time boys were minor persons until 21 age, so they had nothing to say and their complaints would have been irrelevant if their parents would have not supported them and voted for the maintain of the rule...

I must not be wrong since some schools had maintained the rule of swimming in the nude after the Title IX.

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Subject: [untitled]


Author:
spelvin
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Date Posted: 18:10:08 09/30/21 Thu

Did you notice that the moderator of the 223876 forum started censoring messages at about the same time that Odd Job announced that he was fed up with the spam messages and was starting his own forum?
That probably wasn't a mere coincidence!

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Subject: naked swimmers teasing girls


Author:
spelvin
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Date Posted: 05:09:20 09/08/21 Wed

Do any of you remember ever seeing a nude swimmer tease a girl?
Come to think of it, I don't even remember seeing a boy with no shirt on,
either at a swimming site or anywhere else,
teasing a girl.

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Subject: Females at any age act flustered when face with male genitals


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 11:59:31 09/02/21 Thu

But given the opportunity they will show interested accordingly.

Not sure if this is of interested to anyone, but my recent experiences at the dermatologist which is mostly a female practice when I went there for a sore on my glans (head of my penis) shows how women react to male exposure regardless of the setting. Can go into more detail if anyone is interested.

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Subject: mating ritual theory


Author:
spelvin (Odd Job)
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Date Posted: 14:13:43 08/29/21 Sun

Odd Job, I hope you've been checking the blue forum and the yellow forum.
We have been debating your mating ritual theory like crazy.

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Subject: Institutional nudity


Author:
Curious
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Date Posted: 03:41:29 08/17/21 Tue

This is a subject that especially fascinates me since unlike other subjects like forced nude swimming at school and other situations in the past it still goes on in many institutions like boot camps or juvenile penile institutions where teen boys are subjected to regular strip searches and inductions and shower supervision in front of female staff and sometimes even visitors or guests.

Does anyone here have experience of this as a youth, or had friends who experienced it, or worked in such institutions where forced nudity of boys in front of females is a regular thing?

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Subject: naked guy after school


Author:
Candace
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Date Posted: 14:25:31 07/26/21 Mon

Me and my 3 friends (all girls) used to watch a guy strip and get naked for us after school. We were 13 and he was 16. His name was Chuck and he loved showing off. It was the first guy we saw totally bare naked and it was amazing. He would take off all his clothes and just walk around naked for us and his dick would get hard and stick out.

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Subject: on the yellow forum


Author:
spelvin
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Date Posted: 01:21:32 08/05/21 Thu

Stay loyal to this forum, but check this out:

Sean posted a message in which he recalls the winners standing on the winners’ box,
while the girls, and even the mommies, grabbed all the flesh they could,
and while the woman coach made a few cute little innuendi:
https://www.voy.com/206801/6994.html

I explained what I call “the Odd Job theory,”
which maintains that nude swim meets served the purpose of mating rituals.
I furthermore commented that Sean’s message confirmed the Odd Job theory:
https://www.voy.com/206801/6995.html

Sean agreed that it confirmed the Odd Job theory:
https://www.voy.com/206801/6997.html

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Subject: Bathed my a girl in a rural area


Author:
Andrew
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Date Posted: 11:26:38 08/02/21 Mon

I think that my first conscious CFNM experience happened when I was 10. My grandma, my cousin and me were visiting my great-aunt who lived in a rural area. She didn't have a water connected to her house so there were no convencional facilities such as a bathroom or even a toilet inside. It is hard to believe but only some 30 years ago such a situation was very common in a rural area of Russia. There was electricity of course but no water, no gas pipelines and no sewerage in village houses. So me and my cousin who was 8 at a time had a quick bath every night in a summer kitchen in two washbowls.

Once, in a couple of days from our arrival a neighbour lady, who's name was Aunt Olya as I realized soon, told my grandma that she bathes her children in her own bath house (a sauna) every other day and it will be no problem if we boys would join them since the Sauna will be heated up anyway. She had 4 kids living in her house at the time - three boys all preschool age and a niece slightly older than me visiting her. I don't remember who of the boys were her children or who of them was her nephew though, but it doesn't matter.

So we both, me and my cousin was expecting not to expect something thinking that we would share sauna with these three boys.

But the reality was unexpected. As we entered her yard with my cousin and grandma we saw her boys running around with nothing on and her niece sitting with the adults around the table wearing a bathrobe over bathing suit. They greeted us and Aunt Olya offered my grandma to join the table saying something like "Have a cup of tee, no need for you to wash them, Tanya and I would wash our boys and we'll bathe yours as well".

She pointed at her boys playing with toy cars in sand and everyone looked at them with a smile. Then addressing my cousin and me: "Come on boys, come to the sauna with us!".

I think my heart skipped a beat: "TANYA???..."

- "But she is a GIRL!" - I exclaimed.

Everyone smiled looking at us.

- "So what?" - countered Aunt Olya - "Don't worry she will not be laughing at you, we are bathing these three everytime with her".

She pointed at her boys in the buff covered with mud from head to toe, running around and chasing each other.

- "Believe me you have nothing she didn't see many times" continued her.

Tanya was just noddling and echoing to her Aunt.

- "Boys, hurry up! It's time for a Sauna!" - said the lady loudly.

Her boys ran down to the bath-house located in a separete small building on a backyard.

I argued a bit but it was no use and we all followed them. My grandma joined us telling that she has to make sure everything is ok.

As we went up to the porch of the bath-house Aunt Olya said that the changing room is small to fit all of us and told me and my cousin to undress on a porch. We followed her orders but I stopped on my underwear asking if I can stay in underpants, my cousin also hesitated.

- "You boys cannot be in sauna in underpants, it is very hot inside!" - she replied.

- "But she is in a bathing suit!" - I pointed at Tanya.

- "She is a girl and she can be in a bathing suit but you boys can overheat your testicles!".

Then my grandma interfered our arguing:

"Enough talking! You both - take off underpants and listen to Aunt Olya!", pulling underpants down from my cousin. I had no choice but quickly drop off my final garment and cover my privates with hands.

- "Nice!" - my grandma returned back to the others satisfied and we entered the bathhouse.

We passed through the changing room which was small indeed as she said but I think not too small for me and my cousin to undress inside. But it was already did not matter. We entered the washing room, there was a wooden bench, a long shelf alongside the wall, one big tank with a cold water and a faucet with a hot water, sticking out of the wall, connected to a water tank heated by the oven.

- "Tanya lead the boys to the Sauna to warm up a little while I'll prepare a water for you."

I skipped the sentence "for you" accepting the thought that Aunt Olya will be washing me in front of Tanya. I was already naked in front of her anyway and decided just not to turn face to her and cover up my bits.

We all came into the Sauna (the heating room) and sat in a row on the lower shelf. The little boys already stopped running around and calm down and chatted with each other and with my cousin and I was sitting next to Tanya still trying to hide my boy's bits from her.

-"Is it warm?" she asked me.

-"Hmm yeah" mumbelled I.

-"You are from the city, right? Have you ever been in Sauna before?"

- "Mm no", I mumbelled again not being in a talking mood.

- "You'll like it! You can stop hiding your peepee from me, I already seen it when you were undressing. Don't worry, it is absolutely the same my brothers and your cousin have" she nodded to her siblings sitting next to me.

I didn't reply anything contunuing to cover it with my palms.

- "And I know it is sticking out" - she continued with a smile - "I've seen it too. If you want to pee the toilet is nearby behind the bath house".

It was true.

- "No." I answered shortly. I didn't want to pee and all the more didn't want to come out of the bath house in the nude.

- "Ok, you'll get used soon. Last week I bathed a neighbour boy who is a little older than your cousin but I think a bit younger than you. I thought he will come today too. You are in a 3d class and you cousin has finished the first, right?"

"BATHED???" - I thought but only mumbelled:

- "Mmm yep".

- "Then I'm right, Sasha is in the 2nd. And I've already already moved to the 6th. He was also ashamed of me at first but got used very quickly. But he has a sister so I think it was not so hard for him. I can bathe you the last so you could settle a bit. You can sit here a little more if it is not too hot for you",

"BATHE??? ME?!" my heart skipped a beat again. I didn't like the idea.

- "I can wash myself or your mother could wash me!"

- "She didn't change to her bathing suit, it means that she is not going to. And you cannot wash youself as you do it at your home in a bathtub, it is more difficult to do it in a washbowl. You city boys are so silly" - she laughed.

I didn't say anything.

We sitted here a bit more and Aunt Olya opened the door:

- "Get warmed? Come out! It's all ready".

There were five plastic washbowls on the floor in a washing room filled with water and one more big one on a shelf. The little boys quickly hoped into the bowls and sat down starting to splash each other, my cousin followed and joined their fun. He noticed Tanya looking at him and covered his privates at first but forget it in a few seconds and started splashing around.

A washbowl was not big enough for me to be seated like the other boys so after a couple of attempts I found a position sitting with my bottom in a washbowl with legs hanging outside. At least it gave me the ability to sit hugging my knees.

Tanya pulled up one of the little boys by his arm making him to stand up and step out of the washbowl starting pouring the water from over his head with a wooden ladle.

- "Tanya, better start with Andrew, I think he don't fit the washbowl well" - Aunt Olya said.

- "I think he need a time to get settled, he is embarrassed, he is still hiding his peepee from me!"

- "I can wash myself! I do it at home every day!" - I exclaimed again.

- "Of course you do it at home under the shower or sitting in a bathtub but we have non of either here" - said Aunt Olya - "Don't be silly you are nothing different from the others, look even Dima is not shy anymore" - she pointed at my cousin sitting in a washbowl on a floor with his legs spread wide and splashing with the other two boys.

Dima looked at me and with a shout "SPLASH HIM!" - he alredy befrended with the other boys and they all started to splash the water from their washbowls at me. I started splashing them back with one hand still hugging my knees with another.

Aunt Olya took a bucket from a shelf near her and with a shout "I's time to cool down!" flung a cold water over us boys. Tanya obviously knew what her mother is going to do and stepped away trying to not to be splashed, and vice versa pushing the boy she started to wash under the cold water. We all screamed and jumped out from our washbowls, and I even forget to cover up my penis.

We all boys huddled in a corner screaming and laughing and she flung more water on us, this time warm. Aunt Olya and Tanya also laughed at us.

- "You four - go to the Sauna for a minute to warm up" said Aunt Olya pushing a boy Tanya started washing back to her.

We sat again on a lower bench in a heating room, this time with Aunt Olya. She let us warm up a couple of minutes and told to go back.

We sat down to our washbowls again and since my penis was not stiffing out anymore I didn't feel like I need to hide it.

- "Get used a bit? Won't be hiding your peepee from me?" - asked Tanya seeing me not covering my parts anymore. She was finishing soaping up her brother just a couple of feets of me.

- "Mmm no" mumbled I quietly.

- "Nice!" answered she with a smile.

And at the same moment she put down a washcloth she used to soap up her brother and took her brother's boys bits with her palm cupping it and soaped up with a few movements of her fingers. Then still holding his bits poured some water over from a wooden ladle and rinsed it from the soap with her palm. I'm sure she purposely turned her brother so that I could clearly see the procedure. But it was not the end of the intimate hygiene yet. Then she slided his foreskin a bit with her fingers and poured some water again.

- "That tickles!" - giggled her brotherd kind of bouncing a little from leg to leg.

- "Hold still!" - said Tanya releasing his bits from her palm. She poured few buckers of water over his head and body and pushed him to her mother who was already awaiting with a towel.

- "Andrew, get up! Your turn!" - Tanya addressed to me as I was the closest to her.

I hugged my knees again shooking my head to say no.

Aunt Olya who was drying the boy nearby said:

- "You saw it is nothing bad, Tanya knows how to bathe you boys very well. Get up! You cannot sit here forever"

- "Ok, I'll do the others, get settled a bit more" - Tanya said me with a smile taking her another sibling who seemed to be around 5 year old.

This time I saw all the process from the beginning and definitely she was very experienced in bathing boys.

And her mother, who just finished drying her son, as if read my thoughts said addressing to me:

- "Tanya bathes her brothers and a cousin on her own every time over a year already and even washed a couple of neighbour boys like you numerous of times. I think the next time you come, there will be some of them as well. You don't need to be embarrassed of her. Get up! The washbowl is small for you, you doesn't look comfortable sitting in it! Wait a bit standing, Tanya will wash you the next and you could dress up and wait with Savva on a pourch."

I get up reluctantly and stood with my feet in a washbowl waiting. My penis was sticking out again and I was covering my bits with my palms.

- "You don't need to hide your pecker from us, everyone here has already seen it. Lose you hands, you'll have to do it anyway to get bathed! Tanya is about to finish with Dennis." - Aunt Olya was already waiting for him with a towel and looked at me as I was standing face to her and back to the others.

I turned to Tanya and the boys to look.

- "Come on! Show us that you are the brother not the sister!" - it was a sort of teasing from her.

- "Haha!!! He is hiding his pee-pee!!! It is even smaller than Savva's!" - exclaimed Dennis spitting from the water pouring on his head by Tanya - "Show! Let's compare!"

Everyone laughed and my cousin and their last boy who didn't get bathed yet got up no show theirs giggling and laughing.

I had an erection and my penis was sticking out but the suggestion I have a small package had a reflection of my honesty. I reluctantly lose my hands to show mine to them.

- "HAHA!!! His willy is a stick!" - said one of the boys and everyone laughed again.

- "It is normal for you boys! It happens from time to time! Yours was too last week!" - countered Aunt Olya - "And as you see he has a good pecker like all of you!"

By the time Tanya finished washing his brother and came up to me:

- "Tilt your head! Close your eyes" - she started pouring water over my hair.

I felt some shampoo poured on my hair and her fingers running throug thoroughly soaping up my head. So in was my turn. She quickly soaped up my hair, ears, face and nose".

- "Tilt your head up! Don't open your eyes!" - I followed her orders spitting from the shampoo getting into my mouth as she ran her palme over my neck a couple of times.

- "Done! Rinsing off! Just be patient, almost all" - she poured a lot of water from her ladle over my head as I rubbed my eyes.

- "Ok, you can open your eyes!"

It was like if my mother bathing me and not a girl only a couple of years older.

- "Turn around!" - she soaped up a sponge washcloth and started rubbing my shoulders and back going down. I felt a washcloth rubbing over my bottom. I clenched my buttocks instinctively and...

- "Bend over!" - I felt her finger sliding between my buttocks. It was so quick and unexpected I even didn't have a time to fell much shy.

- "Turn around to me!" - I stood facing to her instinctively crossing my palms over the crotch area again knowing that she will be probably touching it.

She was washing her palms with a bar of soap laying on the bench near her. After she rinsed her hands in a washbowl she took a sponge once again and started to soap it up.

- "Hands off" - she noddled at my palms crossing below the waist - "Give me your arm!" - she started to soap it up.

Then she moved to another one and thoroughly rubbed my armpits.

- "Ouch!!! Tickling!" - I exclaimed giggling. Two boys watching me bathed also started giggling.

- "Stand still! Arms out to the sides!" - she continued to soap up my body moving from chest to belly.

Once again I instinctevly tried to put my palms over my boy's parts knowing what she is going to do next - I've already seen it when she bathed the previous two.

- "Feet apart!" - she started rubbing my inner thighs with a sponge moving from knees up !

- "Haha! Are you going to wash his peepee?" - that was my cousin Dima gigging. I was now standing face to them and of course they both saw everything.

Tanya didn't answer but Aunt Olya interfered:

- "Of course she will, and yours too. You boys pee with your pee-pees and don't wash it well".

Tanya put down the sponge on a bench and took a bar of soap, soaping up her palms big.

- "Stan still, don't wristle!" - her palm cupped my nuts and she gentely rubbed it with her fingers.

- "Hahah! Tickling!!!" - I started a sort of jumping a bit from one foot to anther.

- "Calm down or I can hurt your testicles!" - she rubbed my penis with her fingers sort of pulling it a couple of times. I still had an erection and although it was childish she couldn't use a technique she washed her brothers.

My cousin and a boy laughed watching it and pointed on me. Another two boys tried to peek but Aunt Olya chased them away back to the changing room because they were already in their underpants.

- "Go back or you'll wet your underpants!" - she told to them.

By the time Tanya rubbed my groin area still with her bare palms and a belly button with her finger. Then she rinsed her palms in a washbowl and poured a laddle of water over my boy's bits rubbing around again with her bare palm.

It was very tickling and I tried to sort of move my pelvis back from her - once more, instinctively.

- "Stop wristling!" - she took my penis with her fingers again and pulled back the foreskin - "Ew! Did you ever wash underneath?" - she poured a couple of laddles of water again releasing the skin and pulling it back again and finally released my penis from her palm pouring the rest of water from the laddle.

Then she took a sponge again, soaped it up once more and rubbed my legs.

- "Hold on to the shelf! Raise your foot! Another one! Done!"

Then I stood up and seen Aunt Olya standing next to us with a towel and smiling.

Tanya poured a few laddles of water over my body rinsing the soap everywhere with her bare palms and finally said:

- "That's over! Get dried! See, it was not so bad?"

Then Aunt Olya rubbed me from head to toe with a towel and finally let me to come out to the changing room where I pull up my fresh underwear and a T-shirt and joined the other two boys on a porch. I didn't want to watch how she would wash another two of us thinking that I've just recieved a bath just like my mother gave me recently.

This kind of bathing repeted every other evening all the time I was there. Sometimes the other two neighbour boys joined us and a girl Tanya's age from a neighbourhood. But it is a different story.

As I returned home I told my mom how I was bathed there but my mom only smiled and said:

- "I know, your grandma's already told me. You blown it with the girl yes? She told me that you are not washing yourself well when you are bathing alone!"

- "Hmm mom no, it was all ok" - I mumbled.

- "I'll check you after the bathtime from now on" - said my mom telling that she stopped bathing me too soon and mumbling that all the boys are so dirty.

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Subject: sport physical examination


Author:
jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 04:03:57 08/02/21 Mon

to "odd job"

if you want to have a lot of messages on that forum, it must be more clear about what you wanted to have

I have understood that it was relation about youth school and institutional nudity.

That means normally not only swimming lessons at school or at YMCA or in a team but also all situations where there could be compulsory nudity like school or sport physical examinations, inductions at juvenile correctional facilities for boys, PE locker rooms and compulsory showers at school, draft physical examinations.

A few years ago there were often relations on all these subjects, why not now.

I had already related often my school physical examinations, may be less one physical examination to which I had been submitted to be admitted in a group of boys and girls to learn swimming.

I had not learnt it at midddle school by exemption of a private doctor for medical reasons on the reverse of a lot of boys, and like I knew that there would be swimming lessons at high school, I was embarrassed to not know how to swim, I wanted to learn quickly.

My father told me that it was possible to be admitted in a sport club of his working society and join a "groups" for new swimmers which were gathered by age to learn swimming with instructors since I was the son of an employee of the great society where he worked as employee, the Railway, which was very important in France, and it was free.

But I might be declared fit by the medical staff before being admitted, there was a compulsory physical examination, it was a very usual condition to practice sport in the 60's in France ( some friends who played basket ball in a club were submitted to the same condition annually) so I asked to be admitted and I was soon summoned to the compulsory physical examination which took place one morning in the medical facilities.

I might be accompanied by my father since the presence of the employee - father or mother of the boy -was required at the physical examination.

I was not pleased since I was 15 age but it was not questionable since it was mentioned in the letter which was sent to my father.

I had been warned by my father who was submitted to an annual examination at the nurse's office each year that the permanent nurse, a middle age woman, was rather a mean woman, who could be a real "bitch ".

When we arrived, we were told by a woman secretary behind a desk in the corridor to enter in a locker room adjoining to the examination room, and I discovered that there were already a few boys of about my age, about 10 boys, sitting on benches with their "chaperones", mainly fathers and two mothers. The nurse cheked my summon letter and told us to sit like the previous ones, and to wait for the last to come, about four other boys came with their fathers and one mother again.


When she thought that all the boys summoned were present, she told to the parents that as we were about 15, it would take a great time and she wanted not to loose time, so she would apply group rules for our physical examinations without too much respect of modesty because it was useless for boys on the reverse of girls.

It was a statement, not a question, so we could not complain and all parents gave their agreement to go fast, even mothers.

She seemed pleased even if her face was stern most of the time, and she immediately instructed us to lift of the benches and to strip until briefs all together.
We did it after a short time of hesitation,like she repeated that she had not time to loose and instructed us to hurry up. Her words sounded like military orders.

Once we were all undressed in briefs, she instructed us to line up along the opposite wall face to the parents and she did a roll call to have a line in alphabetic order. It was already embarrassing to be lined up with a group of boys in just briefs( all boys wore the same kind of briefs, a short whitey tighted brief) exposing my semi-nudity to a lot of parents which I did not know.

She instructed us not to move and suddenly went out leaving the door opened to call the female secretary in the corridor to come with her in the locker room, I was surprised by the coming of that new woman who was younger than her, so that I closed my hands in front of my genitals to hide them in a stupid reflex like did certainly most if the boys.

She asked to the secretary if all the boys summoned were here and asked to her to check with her list, when she saw that we were closing our hands frontally, she laughed and ordered us not to be silly and to keep our hands on our sides and to turn towards the secretary to lift our hand at our name. When it was finished, the secretary went on the back of the room to sit on a chair behind a desk where our forms were on a pile.

The nurse instructed us to turn completely around and to come in front of her at the left side of the room on the back near the secretary, there was a small restroom with a sink and a wall urinal without a door, she said that she would began by the urine test and each boy might come in front of her after removing his brief which would be put on a stool at the entrance.
Once a boy was naked and standing in front of her, she strongly wiped his urethra orifice, it was akward to be exposed naked in that way in front of the secretary while all parents could see us naked by back. I was shocked but might comply!

Fortunately I succedded to pee in the plastic cup that she gave to us, I was relieved because I had often difficulties to pee on the spot under instruction like I had experienced often at school physical examinations.

On the reverse of what I had first believed, we wee not allowed to pull again our brief but might stay naked and line up again along the wall face to the parents but stark naked, so that the secretary had under her eyes a line of boy's naked butts.

We were after what seemed to me a long time devoted to the urine test instructed to come one by one face to the nurse for a weigh-in because there was a scale at the back of the room just near the desk of the secretary. The nurse had a grin on her face during all the weigh-in process, she gave to each boy a slap on his butt to climb up on the scale and an other one to climb down and no way to escape by climbing up or down before the slap because in that case she ordered the boy to climb down or up in order to let her decide when it was finished, she gave the result to the secretary to be noted in the medical form like before the results of the urine test. At the begining of the weigh-in process, if a boy tryed to avoid the slap or seemed too lazy or reluctant to obey, she gave him a sharper and sound slap while she barked at him to be obedient. Like I was not among the first I had noticed it and I was humiliated to be slapped on my butt in front of a the secretary and also parents. The secretary had a slight smile on her face but she acted professionally.

After the weigh-in we were heighted and had some measurements for head, neck, shoulders, chest, waist and hips. the nurse used her hands to make boys turn around as necessary for her measurements. Thre was no place for modesty now.

While waiting my turn, I heard a mother of one boy telling to the other parents that she had an older son who had been summoned recently at a draft physical examminattion and that it was a group exam of a lot of young men of 18 age all completely naked for the morning. So for us it was like a preparation of our future summon to draft physical, no matter to be shocked by our nudity. And she added someting like "anyway all boys are built the same, they all have penises and balls and round butts".

An other one said that it was different for girls, she had a daughter who had been summoned a few days ago for a younger group of 13 age and the girls undressed only when they entered in the examination room and they were never completely naked, and that she had been told that the nudity was only required for boys. The nurse who had heard that part of the talk confirmed that the rules for undressing were different and that the girls were not weighted in the nude on the reverse of boys but that it was not her who wrote the rules, it was mentioned in the official forms that the nudity was required for boys either for swimming lessons or before a summer camp, so she applied the rules and she thought that they were right and she would have written the same rules if it had been her task, and she justified the double standard by the fact that it did not matter if boys of our age were naked in group since boys might be used to nudity, they did not deserve the same respect of modesty than girls and it was not an issue for parents to see boys in the nude even those who were not their sons like it would be for fathers...with daughters, so it was completely normal to have different rules. She added that she applied the same rules even for older boys in the last group of 16-17 age.

Then it was the second part in the examination room where we entered one by one with the nurse and our parent, for me it was my father, and we were examined by the lady doctor stark naked for all the exam. It was thorough but casual. It took a little more time for me because I had not already a medical since I had never gone to summer camps of the society. Normally it lasted about 5 to 10 minutes ( for me it was rather 10 minutes) I was casual with all regular examinations including the inspection of spine which was very serious and that of genitals and palpation of the balls.

It was embarrassing because my father had not seen me naked closely since a few years but less than the first part of the exam in the locker room. And the lady doctor was strict also but not in the same way than the nurse.

When it was finished we went out with the parent and could dress again and leave. I was in the last third of the line of boys, so it lasted a long time for me to wait in the nude without moving, hands on my side, face to the remainding parents including my father and with my naked butt exposed to the view of the secretary who stayed all the time without a clear reason, may be to have an adult in the locker room who was not a parent to supervise us. It was not to call the next since it was the nurse who did it.

Do you have as pree-teenager or teenager a compulsory examination of that kind ?

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Subject: the title IX


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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 05:52:38 07/28/21 Wed

I have read with a great interest the message of Spelvin and all links which are mentioned.

Thre is one point that I don't understand
it is when it is said that title IX of the Education Amendments Act reads is the first reason of the end of the swimming in the nude of boys at school.

I don't understand why because when it is mentioned “No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” it did not mean that boys could not swim in the nude !

For me it meaned that it was impossible to refuse that girls joined a swim team or had a swimming lesson with boys but if all had been mixed like it was already at some schools, there was no issue, it was not mentioned that boys might wear a swim suit like girls, boys could be naked and girls wear a swim suit ; as long as they could be together the title IX was respected.

The major issue would have been if girls had asked to swimm in the nude and it was refused because of their gender which was a dicrimation based on gender but I presume that it did not happen often.

Normally in most relations girls who were in a mixed class or team at school enjoyed to be allowed to wear a swim suit.

Of course if boys wanted to wear a swim suit, there could have been also an issue but the solution was to decide that the board of school might be asked for the apply of the rule, and the parents could have been asked what they wanted, at that time boys were minor persons until 21 age, so they had nothing to say and their complaints would have been irrelevant if their parents would have not supported them and voted for the maintain of the rule...

I must not be wrong since some schools had maintained the rule of swimming in the nude after the Title IX.

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Subject: Glad to be here!


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spelvin
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Date Posted: 18:07:50 07/26/21 Mon

Hello, Odd Job!
And hello, colleague forum members!

I'm glad Odd Job is starting this forum.
I hope it proves to be a good one.

I am a compulsive researcher on matters gymnosophic,
so I can supply gobs of information on any of the following questions:

What is or is not decent behavior of an adult in relations to a child?
How does a psychologically normal adult see a child?
How does a psychologically normal adult see a naked child?
Does a naked child symbolize anything? If so, what?
How does a psychologically normal adult see a naked boy as opposed to a naked girl?
How does a naked child feel?
If you were an adult living at the time that boys swam naked, what would you do?
Why can't boys wear short shorts without being ridiculed?
Why can't physically immature girls go topless without alarming people?

If any of these questions interest you,
say the word.

By the way, Odd Job, are you sure you're not being unfair in your grievance against the moderator of 223876?
We haven't seen him do anything,
so he or she probably doesn't exist.
Could it be that he or she has abandoned the forum?
Or gone to prison and not allowed to log into the forum?
Or died?
I know we get a lot of messages purporting to be from the moderator,
but so what?
You or I or anyone else could write a message on 223876 and sign it "Moderator."

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Subject: very shorts swim suits for girls at olympic games


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jean the frenchie
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Date Posted: 10:29:07 07/31/21 Sat

I have seen on TV at olympic games the female compete for beach volley and I have been surprised to see how short are their swimsuits, they leave us see a good part of their buttocks because the swim suits are very tighted with just a string on the sides.
They are not leaving all butts visible like jockstraps but nevertheless a part of them on each side.

I don't know if it is the same for the male team ?

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Subject: Girls taken in men's change room


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Dave
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Date Posted: 14:03:39 08/02/21 Mon

Please share your experiences with this happening. Not so much with the rise of family change areas but growing up I recall many instances where girls would come along with us on swim trips and gym visits and theyd be brought into the mens change room. My friends sister would watch us change at the beach in the family room, but there was a local pool where there were no change rooms so had to come into the mens room with us. You could see all the showers and everything else, lots of naked guys when it was busy. It struck me the reverse would not have been allowed.

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Subject: What is the right way?


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spelvin
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Date Posted: 07:11:34 08/02/21 Mon

How about encouraging a child to dress immodestly?

Jason's mother encouraged him to take his shirt off when playing outside in the sunshine.
On hot nights, she encouraged him to go to bed without his pajama tops.
However, she had difficulty in getting him to keep a top on when she thought he needed one.

https://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?id=1607&we=0&sort=0&3=Childhood&l2=

How about dressing immodestly while you yourself dress immodestly?

Shirtless Robbie has encouraged his boys to go outside shirtless in warm weather in an effort to help the boys “be comfortable in their skin and develop a positive body image.”
When dressing a boy of toddler age in warm weather, he advocates leaving off the boy’s shirt.

Robbie believes that fathers should exemplify shirtlessness at home, especially when playfighting with the children, and in performing yard labor.
Furthermore, Robbie encourages fathers to enroll their sons in athletic activities where shirtless peers will set an example.

http://shirtlessfreedom.blogspot.com/search/label/children

How about requiring a child to dress immodestly?

James' mother thought boys' bodies were cute.
When James was at home, she made him wear shorts and nothing else.
That might be all right, except that his parents also forced him to attend school wearing shorts with a one-inch hemline while his male classmates were all wearing long trousers.

http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?id=1607&offset=0&sort=0&l1=Childhood&l2=

How about requiring a child to go naked?

In the early 60’s, when Eric the Great was 7 years old, he and his brother and sister stayed at the home of a neighbor with two daughters.
He and his brother had to play outside nude, which was embarrassing for both of them.
They played tag, they played dodge ball, and they ran under the sprinkler.
Eric felt embarrassed from the girls gathering around him to observe his erection.
After the gazing changed to touching, however, the embarrassment changed to excitement.

https://www.voy.com/223876/1302.html

How about requiring a child to go naked, but while you yourself are going naked?

In the family in which Ken grew up, not only the boys but the adult males had to go nude at all times.
The family placed responsibility on the part of the visitors by posting a sign at the front entrance announcing "any males present would be naked and in full view of anyone who entered.”
Ken’s mother had a book club in which some of the women brought their daughters.
Ken comments, “I guess they wanted them to enjoy the view and I did not mind giving them that view.”

https://www.voy.com/223876/9098.html

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Subject: Silence


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JoeB
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Date Posted: 21:35:38 08/01/21 Sun

No one is posting, it's been at least a week. I had hopes for this forum. Looks like it's fallen by the wayside. Oh well

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Subject: Awesome


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JoJo
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Date Posted: 11:32:12 07/26/21 Mon

Awesome Forum hopefully.

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