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Date Posted: 07:18
Author: Anonemus - 13 June 2002
Subject: J. Donald Walters--Is this a Direct Disciple??

Q. So you married someone before you dispensed with
10 your vows?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. Even though the vows were final?

13 A. My dear sir, my vows are between me and God, not

14 between me and the courts. How final they are and how I

15 treat them is my business.

16 Q. Well, why did you take them?

17 A. Why did I take them?

18 Q. Why did you make them final?

19 A. That was the system, and I accepted it. And I

20 have done the best throughout my life to live by them even

21 in marriage.

22 Q. Well, I'm a little confused.

23 Apparently, on your own, you married someone in

24 conflict with your vows. And then several years later
25 A. No.
1 Q. -- you married someone else?

2 A. No. I made the announcement then that I was not

3 following that way.

4 I gave this announcement, made this announcement

5 public. I was -- I even put an article in the Yoga Journal

6 to help make it clear that I was taking this step

7 deliberately, and I was taking it because I felt that this

8 was the need of our community and of our times.

9 Q. I thought you said the vows were between you and
1 Q. -- you married someone else?

2 A. No. I made the announcement then that I was not

3 following that way.

4 I gave this announcement, made this announcement

5 public. I was -- I even put an article in the Yoga Journal

6 to help make it clear that I was taking this step

7 deliberately, and I was taking it because I felt that this

8 was the need of our community and of our times.

9 Q. I thought you said the vows were between you and
10 God.

11 A. Well, that's true.

12 Q. Why did you put it in the Yoga Journal?

13 A. The breaking of them was already the business of

14 the public.

15 Q. Who told you that?

16 A. I said that.

17 Q. Now, you mentioned that the vows are part of a

18 monastic order?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. What monastic order was that?

21 A. This was the Self-Realization order.

22 Q. Is that the formal name of the order?

23 A. I guess so. It's Self-Realization Fellowship, so

24 -- see, when you've got a new organization, you don't have

25 categories as clearly defined. So you could say
1 Self-Realization Fellowship order, order of Self-Realization

2 Fellowship Church.

3 It's all the same thing. It was of that

4 organization founded by Yogananda.

5 In 1962, I ceased to be a part of that

6 organization. From then on, I had to follow my own inner

7 guidance.

8 Q. Well, I'm a little confused. Let me ask you

9 this:

10 Did -- is Yogananda the person who founded that
11 order?

12 A. No. It's a very ancient order. He represented

13 that order, and that order is a Swamy order.

14 Q. Wait. Let's talk about that for a minute. A

15 swamy order?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Is that what Yogananda belonged to?

18 A. Yes.

19 Q. And where does the swamy order derive from?

20 A. It's -- it was reorganized -- nobody knows how

21 ancient it is, but it was reorganized by Swamy

22 Chankaracharya probably 2000 years ago, but it's uncertain

23 when he was -- when he lived.

24 Q. And so Yogananda was a part of the Swamy order?

25 A. Yes.
1 Q. And he took vows as part of the Swamy Order?

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. And you took the same vows as part of the Swamy

4 order?

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. When you took the vows, did you become a swamy?

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. And again, that was in 1955?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. Which I believe you said was 3 years after
11 Yogananda died?

12 A. Right.

13 Q. And the vows were poverty, chastity, loyalty and

14 obedience. Is that correct?

15 MR. PARSONS: Objection.

16 THE WITNESS: Yes.

17 MR. PARSONS: It's been asked and answered.

18 MR. FLYNN: Q. Now, chastity, what did that vow

19 -- you took a final vow of chastity.

20 What did that mean in the Swamy order in 1955?

21 A. Why don't you figure for yourself what it means.

22 Q. Well, sir, fortunately, for better or worse, I get

23 to ask the questions, and you get to answer them. So I'd

24 like an answer.

25 A. What it means is that you're chaste
1 Q. No sex?

2 A. Uh-huh.

3 Q. Can I have an answer to that?

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. Chaste means no sex?

6 A. Right, right.

7 Q. So you took a final vow of no sex in 1955?

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. As part of this Swamy order which was part of this

10 Yogananda tradition?

11 A. Yes.

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Replies:

Re: J. Donald Walters--Is this a Direct Disciple?? -- Anon - 14 June 2002, 07:19
- Re: J. Donald Walters--Is this a Direct Disciple?? -- Anonemus - 14 June 2002, 07:20
  - Re: J. Donald Walters--Is this a Direct Disciple?? -- Anonymous - 14 June 2002, 07:20
    - Re: J. Donald Walters--Is this a Direct Disciple?? -- Anonemus - 14 June 2002, 07:21
J. Donald Walters--Is this a TROLL?? -- Anonymous - 13 June 2002, 07:22
- Re: J. Donald Walters--Is this a TROLL?? -- Anonemus - 13 June 2002, 07:23
  - Re: J. Donald Walters--Is this a TROLL?? -- Andre - 14 June 2002, 07:24