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Date Posted: 18:53
Author: Mike C - 13 Jun 2001
Subject: The Natural State

Swami Dyananda while commenting on the Upadesa Saram of Ramana Maharshi

A yogis principal attempt is to gain a nondual experience. But since he goes into such an experience, he is sure to come out of it and experience the duality again. He dislikes duality and tries to go back to the nondual experience. And yogis equate this nondual experience, Nirvikalpa-samadhi, to the Self-Knowledge of Vedanta. But we should know that these two are quite different. In yoga a nondual experience is sought because the yogi is afraid of duality. Vedanta is not afraid of duality and aims at the knowledge of Brahman, the nondual, inspite of duality. Brahman is satyam, existing in all the three periods of time and timeless, where as the experience of nonduality is mithya, apparent, because it comes and goes. The experience-oriented people, not understanding the nature of the nondual knowledge often say that Vedanta is theory and yoga is practice-practice for experience! But experience is apparent. What is, is satyam. What is is nirvikalpa - nondual in spite of vikalpas, knower-known duality. When this is understood, samadhi is sahaja, a natural state.

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