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Subject: Raise your own funds

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Michael
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Date Posted: Monday, November 24, 07:43:38am
Author Host/IP: cuscon109850.tstt.net.tt/190.59.51.62
I wish to suggest that Peter and his organization make the sacrifice to raise their own funds. Of course it is very challenging but they can.

How about on-going events like fashion shows, "Beauty Queens Who Can Cook" where former queens (Giselle, Penny, Wendy, Michelle, Heidi, Alexia, Danny, Fay, Maggie, and others) are invited to prepare their special dishes.

What about a Carnival all-inclusive fete?

Kim Sabeeney did it with very little.

We can!!!!!!

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[> Subject: Raise the money too

Author:
Anna (YEAHH)
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Date Posted: Monday, November 24, 08:08:32am
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Yeah i think they can raise some money too to help. I know the ministry is supposed to provide support and all but we all know the government is unreliable so if its his passion and he has a love for it then raising the money should be an option. Have fashion shows!!

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[> Subject: Great idea.....

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Evaluator
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Date Posted: Monday, November 24, 09:16:03am
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I to think that PE&A can raise their own funds. like Michael said, there are many things they can do to raise the moner they need. What about not only a carnival all-inclusive fete. But, also a Carnival Band. They can launch their own band or maybe seek a special section in an already establish band. They can raise alot of maoney that way.

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[> [> Subject: Been there, done that? Not sure...

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PB
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Date Posted: Monday, November 24, 11:26:14am
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I'm pretty sure that they would have tried some sort of fund raising before, regardless of what it was. While all these are good ideas how realistic are they? How much support will he get for ventures such as these? To raise 700K a year for beauty pageants with a Trinidadian public is a tall order... Time will tell.

****PS: Where's Adrian Raymond?! I know he visits this site, if you are reading could you please shed some light on this issue?*****

Thanks

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[> [> [> Subject: They can do it....

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Evaluator
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Date Posted: Monday, November 24, 01:36:09pm
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I think they have done the carnival band section before. But thats something you have to do every year. You will always profit from that in T&T. One section in a band I am sure can make the money to sponsor one of the girls. They charge alot for those costumes. That along with some other fund rasing stuff like the carnival fetes and fashion shows etc. can make the money for both candidates. It is very realistic. Anything carnival in T&T will make money. Another thing is, if they do those things and get some fundind from the goverment(How little it may be) they will more than have enough to support each girl. It is possible.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Please...

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Trini77
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Date Posted: Monday, November 24, 02:17:16pm
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...with all do respect, the comparison with Auntie Kim and Peter Elias and Associates is like comparing a tree to a forest-PERIOD! You all forget that it was Peter Elias who appeared on the scene in 1994 or thereabouts and he revolutionized the T&T pageant scene even while learning from the great queen maker herself. Take away Peter Elias from the T&T circuit-I highly doubt we would have had a MU in 1998 or many placements internationally for that matter.

Peter Elias knows better than anyone on this forum what Auntie Kim did and let me tell you if he did what she did we probably would not be at either competition. The competitions are more competitive now. Auntie Kim would have been in trouble herself-even her own daughter could not raise funds. And let's be honest, Peter Elias has used his own money from selling his clothes to finance these ladies and still he fell short. Additionally, it is 3 frekin' people who have to bear this burden-they are human-what the heck do you people want from them-they have been living and breathing this thing like crazy-what the hel# more you all want them to do?

I would like to suggest to you that most Trinis who come up with these suggestions don't know what busy is-really, that has been my experience personally. Additionally, you need money to do a start up business-MT&T reps. need the money now -go figure? Also, last time I checked any business could buss! (Any of you all fronting the money). Finally, and most importantly, I don't know anyone in the pageant circuit around the globe who would work their a$s off to spend it on someone else-is freakin' brand T&T he promoting-what, you all feel he making any fuc#ing money back from this thing? Talk cheap yes! The man have a family to take care off and money eh easy to come by people!

You all sound like people from Government-all ah all yuh want to off load everything on Peter Elias but yuh a$s go turn up at the airport when we win-and still Peter would not even get any type of recognition. HE IS ONE MAN YOU KNOW-NOT GOD!!! GROW UP PEOPLE!

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: 3 words- Get over yourself.
Author: smurfgyrl [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Monday, November 24, 07:44:49pm Author Host/IP: EATcf-678p112.ppp15.odn.ne.jp/220.212.34.112 I mean it was merely a suggestion, coming from a good place. Is the condescending attitude necessary? I think you are the one that needs to grow up. and save the `with due respect` speech you wanna respond with [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: We need to pause

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Pgwhizz
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Date Posted: Monday, November 24, 08:56:52pm
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Trying not to be to pessimistic, but seeing these pics of Gabby I just dont feel anything...honestly the girl is nice, but I dont think MW nor MU is her playing ground...If PE&A really wishes for funding they have to prove a point...yes I admit they have done well, but there needs to be consistency and a need to cut down on the excess...

TnT is also no pageant nation, so asking for such a large amount of money from the govt is ridic...its either we focus on one pageant and perform excellent or forget the whole thing! We're still small in the game despite a few placements...doing well in this business means selecting a girl meeting the characteristics of these organisations! We cant try to be different..at the end of the day its all about marketing!! When was the last time someone shorter than 5'8 won any major intl pageant...excluding MUSA of course...time to get serious!!! We need girls with that extra something like Valene, Kenisha, Fay...there was just something genuine and extra about these girls that you're not getting nowadays...

MU2008, Diana Mendoza, sure seems over the top...but at the end of the day...she's young/naive...therefore this over the top behaviour is genuine and expected...

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[> [> Subject: hmm

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smurfgyrl
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Date Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 06:31:02am
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I mean its sucks but you kind of have a point. the fact is we are not the only nation going through this stress, in fact only a select few, like USA, Venezuela, PR, DR etc. dont have this kind of stress. at the end of the day its his choice...to continue or not to continue. But Peter has to face it- either he tries on his own or just give it up.

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[> [> [> Subject: O.K....

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Trini77
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Date Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 09:29:57am
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I apologize for the strong wording, but I don't understand this 'raise funds for yourself' suggestion when we all know Peter Elias has tried that and it is not working. Let's hope he dumps both franchises because Trini people don't know how to appreciate a good thing when they have it sometimes.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: agreed
Author: smurfgyrl [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 05:04:36pm Author Host/IP: EATcf-678p112.ppp15.odn.ne.jp/220.212.34.112 :) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: same
Author: smurfgyrl [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 05:19:00pm Author Host/IP: EATcf-678p112.ppp15.odn.ne.jp/220.212.34.112 Trini I also hav to apologize if i was harsh to u [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Her height do not matter

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Evaluator
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Date Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 10:42:21pm
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Considering the pageant that she is in, I dont think that her height is really important. Miss World does not only crown tall girls. Its about who and what the girls is and if she represents the Miss World orgainisation best.

I also dont think that her height is a problem because Gabby is a very beautiful girl. She knows how to be notice and obviously get attention. I dont think height is a major problem in any pageant these days. If the girl has the beauty and her body is in good shape, together with the right personality she can win.

Gabby has all these things. I hope she does well because I know she can. She is currently one of the favorites.

Concerning PE&A situation. I still do believe there are ways they can raise the money if they are not getting anything at all from the goverment. he has done a great job with the Miss T&T franchise. I will not like to see him give it up. Hopefully the gonverment do decided to give the support to them. Also if this is something he really want to continue. He needs to find another way to gain the finances he needs

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[> [> [> Subject: Smurfguyl...

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Trini77
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Date Posted: Wednesday, November 26, 04:30:24am
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...guyl, no offence taking. I have been under alot of stress in the past year and have had too many run-ins with nasty people-I think I just got meaner, blunter and extremely abrasive from those experiences. Thanks so much for all your input! I always look forward to your posts.

Anyways, as I said-Peter was going out of his mind a couple years back in an interview where he literally sounded crazy (and I am not exaggerating-I was even surprised that it made it to the press) I am not too sure many people are aware of it. This pageant thing is his passion but he sets high standards for it and it shows in how well T&T is doing internationally. He can't generate enough funds on his own-Period! I just don't see the fiscal argument that he should support this thing. We are not even 2 dots on a world map and he is asking for pennies to send the reps. to these pageants where we have been doing well with his system. As I said, dump both-we will not attend another pageant consistently again unless a Gov't entity (eg. TIDCO) acquires the franchises...an Dthen they will come running to Peter to train the ladies because they don't know what they are doing.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: ...trini
Author: smurfgyrl [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wednesday, November 26, 06:50:56pm Author Host/IP: EATcf-70p20.ppp15.odn.ne.jp/210.231.17.20 Well Im just glad to know there is no hate between us. I enjoy reading ur posts as well and you know what you are talking about. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: good idea,, send gabrielle to mu09
Author: she's prepared , and by july will be set!! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Friday, November 28, 05:12:53pm Author Host/IP: c-76-124-134-40.hsd1.nj.comcast.net/76.124.134.40 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]