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Date Posted: Sun, July 10 2005, 22:24:53
Author: Joyce Ussery
Author Host/IP: 12-160-115-104.getgoin.net /
Subject: Re: Gets more strange...
In reply to: Jeff Northridge 's message, "Very Strange" on Sun, July 10 2005, 9:36:30

- Although Carl was first reported as Hostile Missing for 5 days before we were even notified of his missing status, the Army claims the remains were recovered at the time of the crash and positively identified - but we have their own documentation that contradicts that, with numerous documentations of his "Hostile Missing/Missing/MIA/PUNCH code status"..that the Army denies ever happened now despite their own paper trail.
- In 1968, we were initially told by Army officials of 3 total on the helicopter, then 4, then 5, finally saying 5 or 6 total men/with varying locations being reported to us as the crash location. We soon eventually chalked it all up to the "fog of war"....we now have new info and know better.
- In 1973, we were told by the AC of the helicopter that there were 7 on board, 4 crew/3 (THREE) passengers/in the AC's own handwritten letter.
- In 1996, we received the Ft. Rucker "official" report that reports 8 on the helicopter, 4 crew, 4 pax, with 2 of the passengers being listed as "Passenger #3" and "Passenger #4" - claiming they knew they survived the crash, along with the crew, also knew to be with no injuries, yet they claim they don't know who they were to this day or what happened to them after the crash. Keep in mind major portions of this report are still classified...tracking and recovery data still withheld.
- The AC and the Gunner on board the helicopter have both told us that no passengers got on at Camp Evans, but that they got on at LZ Nancy before the crash. Carl wasn't at LZ Nancy that day, but was seen at Camp Evans shortly before the reported crash and was even seen boarding the observer's position/seat on the LOH by a fellow FO comrade..at Camp Evans.
- The only witness/fellow A 1/5 comrade we have located, who saw Carl get on the helicopter that day, is insistent it was a LOH (not a Huey) and that Carl was going out as a FO that day. That goes along with what FO Lt. Perkins ( of the wall site posting) and others were told. This fellow comrade also claims he and others saw the helicopter take a hit from enemy fire and crash in the distance, west of Camp Evans, and that they were told immediately no survivors. He and other comrades are at a loss to explain why the Hostile Missing status and reported after 5 days. This LOH report goes along with what many others who knew Carl were told...no survivors and an enemy shootdown.
-The B 1/5 members contacted say there was no enemy contact at the time of the crash...the crew also reports no enemy contact. The Ft. Rucker report repeatedly states that the "ground troops were heavily engaged with the enemy unit" at the time of the crash.
-Most telling is what Carl himself told me in confidence in Hawaii, his R & R, approx 8 weeks before the crash, as to some things he was having to do...and what to expect if "something goes wrong and I don't get to come back." It all has come to pass...and more.
In summary, we know Carl's remains are not in that grave..no doubts whatsoever...and we have official GSA documentation of pages and batches of records that were being kept on Carl in the years after his reported death, up to almost 5 years afterward, with a HQDA official's notation of GSA saying they had lost the records "for good" when he asked for them and with references of GSA telling him they had a "live case on Ussery"...in 1972.
-Nobody so far located knew Carl/cannot identify him as even being on the UH-1H helicopter Nobody found actually saw a second man trapped in the helicopter or saw the second body/they were just told of a second man.

- Carl wrote to me dated the day of the crash and started out his letter very unusual, saying "No planes or helicopters are going up today because of the weather. What they call the Monsoon season has started now, so no planes or helicopters are going up today and no mail is being delivered." He repeated that 2-3 times. According to comrades...and weather reports...it was a bright sunny day. He wrote to everybody in the family that day..he had not been able to do that since being in Vietnam.

We have serious questions and concerns with what we were told of Carl's fate in 1968 and regardless if at times seemingly futile or not, we are in agreement to the importance of steadfastly pursuing answers and documents..and Army/CILHI and AFDIL's admittance that we do not have Carl's remains...and we will be persistent!

Thanks so much for all of your input that originated from the original GSA question...it was all very much appreciated.

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