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Subject: White Peafowl....harder to raise?


Author:
brenTx (Bad luck with whites)
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Date Posted: 16:23:55 07/27/06 Thu

I have had two different white pea hens. I lost both of them to mysterious circumstances. First hen I worried was egg bound but after her death not so.

The second one was the cock's favorite and he "over worked" her. When I realized and removed her she seemed better but died suddenly one evening. Out of about 50 eggs this season ONLY the first four I set were fertile. Those were her's. It was almost like when she died he quit breeding. VERY strange.

I don't want anymore white peas. But wonder if anyone else finds them harder to raise?

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[> Subject: Re: White Peafowl....harder to raise?


Author:
D C T
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Date Posted: 20:34:57 07/27/06 Thu

NOT harder to raise but it seems that I have had more hard
luck with them starting in 1989 when eggs shipped to GA
from PA did NOT hatch due to rough handling by gorillas
in post office. Then in 1998 a white peachick from my
less than purebred Java green pair lived only a week and
there were no more whites from that pair. Then one of their
green sons became the father of Everest four years ago.
Since then I got one white peachick a year but last year's
peachick suddenly suffered from an orthopedic problem that
defied all my skills.
But this year I suddenly have SEVEN white peachicks and
still have a few eggs being incubated by chickens.
Two of those seven are actually Everest's offspring--
one from D'white Peahen and the other from her green sister.
The first white peachick hatched was from Tinker/Stinker
and Malice, the two most violent peafowls on my property.
This one seems crazy or brain damaged but no leg problems
so far.
D'white Peahen laid several eggs all of which were pale,
long and skinny like eggs laid by one year old peahen.
D'white is two. Everest was seen mating with D'white but
only the very first egg was fertile. The green sister's
eggs looked OK but only the last one hatched
[> Subject: Re: White Peafowl....harder to raise?


Author:
k
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Date Posted: 14:37:46 08/09/06 Wed

Yeah I think the level of inbreeding is hard to wish away at the end zone. We end up with birds of a specific type but to what end? If someone were breeding for white peafowl for years and years and the birds were fed poorly and in less than sanitary conditions then that stock has all those problems bred into them. If you want to have better fecundity from your white peafowl you'll need to greatly increase the amount of fish protein they receive. The artifical crab stuff- really cheap - fantastic stuff that and the occasional can of sardines with bones and skin in water or oil- mix the sardines into nuts so that the birds will take a while to digest it-nuts take a while to break down in the crop-lastly sprinkle fish food colour enhancing for bettas- fighting fish- on the sardine concotion and make sure you feed this every weekend and in the morning.
The fish colour enhancer vitamins in the betta food will be visible in the bird's bare facial skin and in the quality of their feathers. Canned beets, carrots and pear onions any of these frozen are also fantastic once every week treats during the new feather regeneration period ( now through late fall) also get your self some DE and playground sand and build those peafowl a proper dust bath. this is integral for all peafowl but especially the mutations and the green peafowl. Their feathers have be healthy for them to be healthy. Did you know white feathers have less strength and life span than coloured ones?
This is true even in wild birds:
BACTERIAL DEGRADATION OF BLACK AND WHITE FEATHERS
Auk, The, Jul 2004 by Goldstein, Gerald, Flory, Kelly R, Browne, Beth Ann, Majid, Samia, Et al
Continued from page 4.

Although we do not understand how melanin protects feathers from degradation by B. licheniformis, we have shown that it docs. Feathers are subject to many different selection pressures (Burtt 1986, Burtt and Ichida 2004a). Melanin, which provides a range of colors from gray to black, buff to red-brown and brown, provides camouflage for many birds and display colors for others. Its presence increases the abrasion resistance of feathers, which is important to flight feathers and accounts for the dark color of primaries. We have shown that the presence of melanin increases feathers' resistance to bacterial degradation by the ubiquitous soil bacterium B. licheniformis, which is also commonly found in the plumage of birds. Such resistance may be important to birds that live in humid environments where bacteria are abundant and active. Burtt and Ichida (2004b) have shown that dark Song Sparrows (Melospiza melodia morphna) from the Pacific northwest, where relative humidity is high, carry strains of B. licheniformis in their plumage that degrade feathers more rapidly and completely than strains of B. licheniformis carried in the plumage of pale Song Sparrows (M. in. fallax) from southeastern Arizona, where relative humidity is low. The pattern of dark plumage where relative humidity is high and pale plumage where it is low was first described by Gloger (1833) and can be seen in many wide-ranging species (Zink and Remsen 1986). We suggest that, in addition to its other functions, an important selective advantage of melanic plumage is its resistance to degradation by bacteria that are part of every bird's environment."

In my opinion white peafowl require a much cleaner enviornment because of the inherent frailty of their plumage. They require more animal fat and digestable protein ( fish versus soy meal)in their diet. Canned or frozen beats, carrots, pearl onions and cranberries should be fed out as often as affordable and mixed together with nuts. The brazil nut and the walnut are ideal avoid peanuts as they clog the avian arteries. Nuts should also be mixed into the sardine supplement which should occur weekly and in the morning.
Focus should be emphasized on the maintenance of specific dust wallowing areas where the birds can rid their plumage of dander, parasites and unclog oil glands.
[> Subject: Re: White Peafowl....harder to raise?


Author:
D C T
[Edit]

Date Posted: 19:38:55 08/10/06 Thu

I think that I already explained that Malpo is NOT related
to her present mate. But I did not say that she is the
grand daughter of a green peahen that I bought a few years
ago in order to enrich the gene pool. When I was in high
school I got top grades in biology. Dropped into college
when I was round forty years old and again (with much more
effort) stayed at top of biology class for two courses.
Then my father's Alzheimer's disease caused me to drop out
in 1985. But am straying off subject.
Am not oversupplied with money. Nor do I have any help
with caring for my flocks. Need to "down size" .

But there is one thing right now that I do have in over
abundance and that is chicken eggs. So I have been hard
boiling them and feeding them to the peachicks. I even
cook infertile peahen eggs. If I eat any more eggs I am
going to grow feathers!!!!
[> Subject: Re: White Peafowl....harder to raise?


Author:
Cheryl Little
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Date Posted: 19:28:50 08/11/06 Fri

I read an article a few years ago that regular whites are not as strong as whites out of siver pieds. I had some problems with a few whites and then I have another young pair of whites that I bought last year that have not been sick but then again, I do not know what they are out of.

Cheryl
[> Subject: Re: White Peafowl....harder to raise?


Author:
Annette
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Date Posted: 19:44:07 08/13/06 Sun

I havent noticed that my whites are any less hardy than any of my others.... I do know that when I was really looking forward to getting whites, I lost a couple, seems like my anxiousness jinxed me a little!!!!

I do have a question...does anyone know what color a white chick with some tan on the end of the wings will be?



>I have had two different white pea hens. I lost both
>of them to mysterious circumstances. First hen I
>worried was egg bound but after her death not so.
>
>The second one was the cock's favorite and he "over
>worked" her. When I realized and removed her she
>seemed better but died suddenly one evening. Out of
>about 50 eggs this season ONLY the first four I set
>were fertile. Those were her's. It was almost like
>when she died he quit breeding. VERY strange.
>
>I don't want anymore white peas. But wonder if anyone
>else finds them harder to raise?
[> [> Subject: Re: White Peafowl....harder to raise?


Author:
D C T
[Edit]

Date Posted: 20:48:49 08/13/06 Sun

Your "white" peachick with tan on wings should be a
black shoulder or black shoulder spalding or other
breed with "delayed melanism"
[> Subject: Re: White Peafowl....harder to raise?


Author:
Bigdog
[Edit]

Date Posted: 05:41:08 08/15/06 Tue

I have probably had better luck raising whites than any orther color. I have had more problems getting blues (of all colors) to hatch than any of the other colors i have
[> Subject: Re: White Peafowl....harder to raise?


Author:
Kevin
[Edit]

Date Posted: 21:48:08 08/15/06 Tue

I agree with the comments they aren't any more difficult to raise/keep. I have heard comments from others claiming they are weaker or more fragile though. I feed all of my chicks and the birds the same and they all do equally well plus the whites did well irregardless of how they were raised- various brooder setups, raised by chickens or by peahens. The only problem I can think of is related to breeding, some peafowl apparently reject whites or consider them less desirable mating partners. Three of my cocks do not like whites, two will tolerate and breed with them but otherwise they will give them a harsh peck if a white hen gets too close.. they are perfect gentlemen with any other colored hens. However the eggs from the white hens with those two are perfectly fertile.. go figure. The third one actually will try to kill anything solid white. It's like he sees them as the enemy or something.. suspect they fail to realize the white birds are normal peafowl.. like some wild animals reject their albino members of the same species. I wonder if the infertility with the other hens is they just don't like the white male.. because he's white. That can sound odd as they are whites but I have known of white cocks that absolutely refused to breed with whites but bred blue hens with no problems.. apparently they don't realize that they themselves are "white".. I see the same behavior with peachicks, if there was a group of colored with just one white peachick and I eventually add another white, the coloreds take no notice of the new white but the "old" white can act all spooked out or extremely interested in the new white chick as if they never saw such a thing before.

The mention of inbreeding is probably a very good suggestion. Several people wanting white peafowl from me have specificially asked if they were from "long lines of pure white peafowl" or something along those lines.. apparently there is some belief that white peafowl must be bred only to whites for several generations in order to have peafowl that will throw ONLY "pure white" peafowl. Explaining white was simply a recessive gene and that any white peafowl bred to any other white peafowl, even if their parents were "colored", would produce only whites did not go over too well for some.. Anyways the point of this, perhaps some people do have some trouble from severely restricting their white genepool.. so the perceived weakness is due to inbreeding not the color.
[> [> Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS


Author:
D C T
[Edit]

Date Posted: 07:50:48 08/16/06 Wed

Kevin,

Most of your observations agree with my own.
Except for the strange fact that D'white Peahen laid those
long skinny eggs as a two year old while her green sisters
laid normal eggs. I wonder what will happen in D'white
Peahen's future. She and one of her green sisters are still
in Everest's pen. All is reasonbly harmonious there so
there are no plans for changing that. There was only one
live offspring from each of those two peahens in the 2006
season, both of them white. The green sister has a white
wing flash so obviously carries a white allele. I hope
that the white peachicks will have Everest's yellow face
and compact erect crest
[> [> [> Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS


Author:
Kevin
[Edit]

Date Posted: 11:46:10 08/16/06 Wed

Sure hope you get some babies looking like him too. He is a very nice looking guy. That's good he accepts whites very well.

The egg is probably a concidence. I have an Imperator green hen that lays longish and pretty narrow eggs. They hatch out allright despite the strange looking eggs and the chicks are growing great. I'm curious as to what sort of eggs they will lay. She was paired with a dark pied spalding cock, several of their chicks have white on their flights and also some have a long thin white spot on their chins/necks. Those will be kept for pied and white spalding projects.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS


Author:
D C T
[Edit]

Date Posted: 19:40:32 08/16/06 Wed

>Sure hope you get some babies looking like him too. He
>is a very nice looking guy. That's good he accepts
>whites very well.
>=================
Actually I was VERY concerned about the safety of my first
and only white female. After all Everest's father is
Neverland the Insane who mated only once accidentally while
trying to kill Malpo. So Neverland is an a back pen with
just a peacock who is almost as bad as he is and Malpo
went to be with the two "Lost Boys" but this season one of
those had to move when the peace between the brothers
suddenly ended.
When Everest was two years old he and his green cousin
produced two beautiful black shoulder spalding peahens.
The next year the green cousin died, her replacement
attacked Everest so that I removed her and he had no
offspring that year. I kept carrying D'white Peahen by his
pen so that he could look at her and she could see him.
Everest did look friendly but I was cautious about my
under aged white pea pullet and moved her and her green
sister into Everest's pen only as the 2006 breeding season
was about to begin. The two offspring produced brings
Everest's total to four. This breeding season is over for
them and the train is molting. In fact the only complete
train on my property is on a 17 year old India blue
peacock....that is unless you count the male plumage on
16 year old Peahen #13.



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