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Date Posted: 07:52:15 04/10/09 Fri
Author: Anthony
Author Host/IP: host81-141-160-46.wlms-broadband.com / 81.141.160.46
Subject: Re: obama's folly
In reply to: Herodotus 's message, "Re: obama's folly" on 06:27:14 04/10/09 Fri

>I think NATO changed their strategy sometime in the
>mid 1990s after the Cold War. So it is no longer just
>for the defence of Western Europe and North America
>but can be used as an offensive alliance as we saw in
>Kosovo and today in Afghanistan.
>
>>The copy I read was a recent copy
>> so maybe it has been changed on the 'quiet'
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Since when has NATO only been for western europe. I
>>>>have just read through the treaty and it says
>nothing
>>>>about being solely for western europe.
>>>>
>>>>North Atlantic Treaty Organisation -set up in 1949
>>>for the defence of western europe. To contain the
>>>expansion of Soviet union. NATO is a defensive
>>>alliance for the defence of western europe. Its no
>>>coincidence that apart from the US all it's other
>>>original members are western european nations. It
>>>never was intended to use this defensive alliance for
>>>offensive wars in eastern europe or Afghanistan. It
>is
>>>not or should not become a tool for American
>ambitions
>>>outside western europe. Somehow i would not be
>>>surprised if your treaty has been re written.
>>>>
>>>>>>>America & Britain cannot afford to fight these
>>>>stupid
>>>>>>>wars because the aims are to vague & beyond
>>>>>>>realisation apart from the colossal expense you
>>>have
>>>>>>>to deal with not one failed state but two
>>-Pakistan
>>>>>>>who's government is riddled with je-haddists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unfortunately the UK is a signatory of NATO, along
>>>>>>with the rest of Western European, which means we
>>>>have
>>>>>>to get involved with this war, as the September 11
>>>>>>terrorist attacks and the war in Afghanistan were
>>>>>>considered a direct attack on the USA by the NATO
>>>>>>alliance. I agree though, it is an unwinneble war
>>>and
>>>>>>a total waste of time, but what can you do.
>>>>>
>>>>>N.A.T.O. is for the defence of western europe, it
>>was
>>>>>not designed to undertake wars in the middle east
>or
>>>>>Afghanistan. signatories of N.A.T.O. are under no
>>>>>oligation to under take any military operations out
>>>>>side the sphere of western europe. The other
>N.A.T.O
>>>>>countries are well within the treaty not to get
>>>>>invoved.

The north atlantic treaty, 4 april 1949 has 14 articles
Article 5 -the parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in "EUROPE " or "NORTH AMERICA " shall be considered an attack against them all & consequently they agree if such an armed attack occurs each of them , in exercise of the right of " Individual" or collective self-defence recognised by article 51 of the UN, will assist the party or parties so attacked by taking forthwith ,
"INDIVIDULALLY" & in concert with other parties such action as it deems necessary including the use of armed force, to maintain the security of THE NORTH ATLANTIC AREA.

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