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Date Posted: 09:44:00 01/08/08 Tue
Author: RMW Stanford
Author Host/IP: 74-134-8-39.dhcp.insightbb.com / 74.134.8.39
Subject: Re: Empire Decline - Soviet, USA and UK
In reply to: Bill Johnson 's message, "Empire Decline - Soviet, USA and UK" on 05:59:08 01/08/08 Tue

>What are the similarities if any between British
>Imperial decline and the Soviet collapse?
>
>Also in the upcoming United States Presidential
>election Barack seems to have a mantra for change (as
>if the status quo can not be sustained at all)
>- Perestroika and Glasnost do spring to mind!
>
>
>
>Personally I think the British after the second Boer
>war were in the same position as the Soviet Union was
>in the eighties. The British were rapidly becoming
>the evil empire for fighting an deeply unpopular war -
>like the Soviets in Afghanistan. So why did the Boer
>conflict not become the tombstone for the British like
>Afghanistan was for the Soviets?
>The British seemed to be able to sustain their economy
>and Military Industrial Complex for almost 50 years
>and through two of the most brutal wars the World had
>ever seen. Was it simply their leadership and control
>of the population that kept it going? Gorbachev after
>all was honest and said the USSR was not working, the
>trouble seems to be the people believed him and lost
>confidence while Britain said in the early 20th
>century that the "sun never sets on the empire" and
>the British people believed this.
>This is perhaps the lesson for the new Rome in the USA
>should they want to enjoy the same longenivity as that
>ancient empire. Change is not always for the best and
>significantly downsizing your military industrial
>complex will not solve all problems. On top of that
>withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq would internalise
>frustrations which in the past could be externilised.
>Like the Soviet Union, change or Perestroika may
>simply come to mean a downsizing of the Union.
>I do worry for the US, after all they were pretty
>benevolent and forgiving conquers for this spectred
>isle.
>
>[save for the fact we had to abandon our empire!]

In the case of the Soviet Union there fall was going to happen regardless of if Perestroika happened of not. The Soviet economic system, like an communist/collectivist economy, is inherently flawed and in the long run was bound to fail. Now the long run can be a long time as the Soviet showed, the Soviets had been in decline for a quit a while be the time Gorbachev came to power, it was just few people in the west realized. I doubt you will any significant downsizing of the military in the United States, but that being said overall withdrawing from Iraq would probably be to the benefit of the US economy, well could be if the spending on Iraq is just ended and not shifted to domestic spending.

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