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>>i dont remenber hearing that scotland or wales >>national identity was ever under threat while being >>part of the uk > >it isnt inside the UK but the rest of the world see >Great Britain and England as being synonymous. The >Japanese word for the UK can either be Igiritsu (from >the portuguese Inglez) Or Eikoku, which means english >country. for the whole UK? so our identity is >obsercured in the international community, right sure >not an absolutly important reason for independence, >but you know it is quite major, im sure the english >wouldnt like it if scotland was used in the same way >to mean the whole of the UK. >> >> >you are full of this chip on the shoulder victim >>status, >>the reason why the english economy is worth more is >>because it has a bigger populace = more taxes which is >>going to provide free care for the elderly in scotland >>& free university education no loans, more money spent >>per head in scotland than england. better funded >>hospitals & yet you tell us scotland is on a par with >>mexico maybe your silly joke parliament should not >>waste so much of englands hard earned taxes. > >Well you know exactly, why would england want scotland >as a chokehold? That also goes partly with the >arguement the need for the UK is redundent. Scotland >provides England with a wealth of natural resources, >and you say yeah all english taxes goes on scotish >benefit, then why in scotland do they pay higher >council tax and are experiencing rural deprivation? >Sure the parliament must answer for some of this mis >management but the overiding government is >westminister. > >>> >>scotland has played a world role through the >>westminster parliament providing many leading >>parliamentarians statesmen, prime minister, Blair & >>brown the latest disgusting export. > >world role through westminister, exactly to the >international community that dont know how the UK >works because lets face it the way our country is >divided is quite complex, will just see these >achievements as english. Anyway the arguements i put >before where reasons why Scotland shouldnt be >independent weighing up the pros and cons. >> >>> >>scotlands only place in the world is with england out >>side the wretched european union >> >but why? What if the scotish want to relate with the >EU more? Scotland is a nation, and she doesnt deserve >to be treated as a second wheel to England and by the >sounds of it, you agree that Scotland is dependent of >England, maybe so but thats just another good reason >why we should become our on nation to prove it to >ourselfs, and i didnt say we must join the EU or >remain in it, we could parallel ourselfs with Norway, >which we have historic links to aswell. and my >arguement before was reasons perhaps for Scotland to >remain in the UK anyway, as in what would she do? So i >dont know why you responded to that? >>> >>nobody knows if ireland leaving the union was by the >>will of the majority of irish men once the british >>left they tore themselves apart in a civil war. Even >>southern ireland stays afloat with englands taxes via >>the european union > >Theres alot more countries in the EU that contribute >so you cant just say yeah its just England, and we're >not discussing whether Ireland did it willingly or >not, they did it the UK split in 2, its happened it >was an arguement to people who want to preserve a >fully "United Kingdom" > >>you are falling into the trap of divide and rule by >>the european empire which will have no respect for >>scottish law. > >Perhaps the EU will impose corpus jurus, but they may >do that being part of the UK aswell atleast we'll get >a choice ourselfs rather then before hand when Heath >brought us into it we didnt even have a devolved >government to decide ourselves. Let us make our own >mistakes, and i only suggested the EU as a route its >not without its problems i didnt say scotland should >100% have to be a member of the EU, it was an option. >Thats why i suggested do some research, look on the >net and decided for yourself whether scotland should >be independent. > >Just for the record i ddint specify whether i was >opposed or for scottish independence, the novelty >would be good obviously, but i was weighing up what >she would do, and what it would mean and whether its >worth it. It is ofcourse impossible to tell unless she >does it. But i still maintain that Edinburgh needs >more powers that Westminister shouldnt be able to take >away.
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