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>>>i dont remenber hearing that scotland or wales >>>national identity was ever under threat while being >>>part of the uk >> >>it isnt inside the UK but the rest of the world see >>Great Britain and England as being synonymous. The >>Japanese word for the UK can either be Igiritsu (from >>the portuguese Inglez) Or Eikoku, which means english >>country. for the whole UK? so our identity is >>obsercured in the international community, right sure >>not an absolutly important reason for independence, >>but you know it is quite major, im sure the english >>wouldnt like it if scotland was used in the same way >>to mean the whole of the UK. >>> >>>you meam to say foreigners have never heard of >scotland ? >never seen scottish football fans & scratched their >heads and said what country do those kilted loons come >from? > >>you are full of this chip on the shoulder victim >>>status, >>>the reason why the english economy is worth more is >>>because it has a bigger populace = more taxes which >is >>>going to provide free care for the elderly in >scotland >>>& free university education no loans, more money >spent >>>per head in scotland than england. better funded >>>hospitals & yet you tell us scotland is on a par with >>>mexico maybe your silly joke parliament should not >>>waste so much of englands hard earned taxes. >> >>Well you know exactly, why would england want scotland >>as a chokehold? That also goes partly with the >>arguement the need for the UK is redundent. Scotland >>provides England with a wealth of natural resources, >>and you say yeah all english taxes goes on scotish >>benefit, then why in scotland do they pay higher >>council tax and are experiencing rural deprivation? >>Sure the parliament must answer for some of this mis >>management but the overiding government is >>westminister. >> dont be too quick to write of the united kingdom as >the french canadian nationalists found to their cost >when Montreal ground to a halt in very bad blizzards & >they needed the canadian army to come in & save them & >restore electricity, >>>>as for scotland paying higher council tax >according to you) you aint seen nothing yet if the >scottish nationalist get their way. >>>scotland has played a world role through the >>>westminster parliament providing many leading >>>parliamentarians statesmen, prime minister, Blair & >>>brown the latest disgusting export. >> >>world role through westminister, exactly to the >>international community that dont know how the UK >>works because lets face it the way our country is >>divided is quite complex, will just see these >>achievements as english. Anyway the arguements i put >>before where reasons why Scotland shouldnt be >>independent weighing up the pros and cons. >>> >>>> >>>scotlands only place in the world is with england out >>>side the wretched european union >>> >>but why? What if the scotish want to relate with the >>EU more? Scotland is a nation, and she doesnt deserve >>to be treated as a second wheel to England and by the >>sounds of it, you agree that Scotland is dependent of >>England, maybe so but thats just another good reason >>why we should become our on nation to prove it to >>ourselfs, and i didnt say we must join the EU or >>remain in it, we could parallel ourselfs with Norway, >>which we have historic links to aswell. and my >>arguement before was reasons perhaps for Scotland to >>remain in the UK anyway, as in what would she do? So i >>dont know why you responded to that? >>>> >>>nobody knows if ireland leaving the union was by the >>>will of the majority of irish men once the british >>>left they tore themselves apart in a civil war. Even >>>southern ireland stays afloat with englands taxes via >>>the european union >> >>Theres alot more countries in the EU that contribute >>so you cant just say yeah its just England, and we're >>not discussing whether Ireland did it willingly or >>not, they did it the UK split in 2, its happened it >>was an arguement to people who want to preserve a >>fully "United Kingdom" >> >>>you are falling into the trap of divide and rule by >>>the european empire which will have no respect for >>>scottish law. >> >>Perhaps the EU will impose corpus jurus, but they may >>do that being part of the UK aswell atleast we'll get >>a choice ourselfs rather then before hand when Heath >>brought us into it we didnt even have a devolved >>government to decide ourselves. Let us make our own >>mistakes, and i only suggested the EU as a route its >>not without its problems i didnt say scotland should >>100% have to be a member of the EU, it was an option. >>Thats why i suggested do some research, look on the >>net and decided for yourself whether scotland should >>be independent. >> >>Just for the record i ddint specify whether i was >>opposed or for scottish independence, the novelty >>would be good obviously, but i was weighing up what >>she would do, and what it would mean and whether its >>worth it. It is ofcourse impossible to tell unless she >>does it. But i still maintain that Edinburgh needs >>more powers that Westminister shouldnt be able to take >>away.
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