Click here for an easy and free way to help protect endangered habitat at The Rainforest Site! Non-profit ad by Voyager
VoyForums

[ VoyUser Login optional ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, [10] ]

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: Saturday, December 29, 10:07:54pm
Author: Peacock
Subject: Don't over analyze
In reply to: oldtimer#1 's message, "Re: We don't disagree, but" on Saturday, December 29, 09:52:59pm

Leon's 2nd turnover was an unforced walk. On the traps, the first he called a TO. He screwed up on the 2nd trap and stepped backcourt, and this preceded the walk. One can get over analytical and make situations fit their analysis. In fact the press was no real issue when Lampley came in and the fault then moved to the front court. Lampley most likely can create more than the others combined but has suffered slings and arrows (see Sludge)for many of his past transgressions. His only shot in the end game was legitimate and although a miss led to Leon putting us up by two. In basic we don't disagree. However Lampley is the better ball handler with speed versus the slower Leon and can be as effective as what you describe. You bring up the absence of passing to the middle man, but why do they just stand there when obvious help is needed. The problem is a little more than execution and one knows it when one sees it.

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Don't over analyze -- oldtimer#1, Saturday, December 29, 11:03:28pm [1]

I agree that one can overanalyze to make situations fit their analysis. The fact of the matter was that Lampley, when inserted, did not bring the ball upcourt and rarely touched it it the backcourt. We broke the trap when Leon got the ball back to center court and into Goodings or Orta's hands who then passed over the top of the trap. That what was supposed to happen from the beginning. Not Lampley's fault in any way tonight but he had little to do with how the trap was broken.









Peacock, your second comment is even more suprising. Usually your comments are pretty much on target but have you been drinking any of jajk's water? "Lampley most likely can create more than the others combined". Glad you hedged with most likely. The two best creators on the team are Gooding and Leon. In order to create the creation must lead to an end result. Sure Lampley can get open but he sure doesn't drive and finish as well as Leon and there is no comparison as to what Gooding brings to the table in comparison with Darrell.










Again I criticzed some of Leon's play tonight and tried to leave Lampley out of this. In fact, I though he did a decent job in the first half. If you think he was helpful in breaking the trap fine but he was insignificant factor if any at all. As stated rarely touched the ball or tried to bring it up on his own. Not even implying that his 0-3 hurt us. Just rather see Orta or Gooding in there. Much better offensive threats not to mention defense. DL was a non-factor positive or negative most of the night

[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Don't over analyze -- Peacock, Saturday, December 29, 11:41:02pm [1]

"DL was a non-factor positive or negative most of the night
" 12 points in 28 minutes. I think jajk is a so far off base but the comments that are being pushed at Lampley are beginning to look similar to jajk's praise but in the opposite direction. If you want to be honest, I'll accept that he did not have much negative influence. You can't say that about some others.

There has been a ground swell that has risen to criticize Lampley. You demonstrate that right now by not even giving him credit, as if his 12 points were meaningless. My whole issue is less about the players but about the preparation. When I hear some say there is no offensive flow and I see the same thing, I begin to worry about the coaching. This is not the first time. Particularly after 11 games. You can't have it both ways, either the talent is not there or the coaching is inadequate. You need to remember we have not exactly played the upper two thirds of Division 1. Performance against weak teams has been woefully wanting. Yet many say they see good talent out here. And I agree with that and will not leave Lampley out just because he has offended some with his tendency towards some street play. Guess you guys haven't watched some other MAAC teams with street ball. Right now we are in a dead heat with Canisius.

[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Don't over analyze -- oldtimer#1, Sunday, December 30, 12:09:24am [1]

Can't disagree with the bulk of your post. Questions do need to be asked anytime things go this poorly. In that we agree 100%. I have my opinion but let's save that for another day. Regarding Lampley lets see what develops. If you go back to my original posts I thought he did quite well in the first half. Actually, I'm anxious to see how he does at #2. You were one of the first to mention his possible role there and I agree. He has not developed the mentality of a point guard and Leon seems to be progressing quite nicely (atleast on offense) in that regard. Darrell also has to learn better shot selection and it does seem that he shoots much better from the wing than off the dribble. His potential IMO is at the off guard position. Thought it was significant that Dunne inserted him at the #2 rather than for Leon initially. Give Dunne credit for that move. No question who is our point guard. Regarding Darrell's game tonight I thought my assessment was fair. Had about the same stat line as Leon and we sort of took Nick to task tonight. How could we praise Darrell? Don't forget that he also took a lot of shots to get those 12 points and he did continue with turnovers and questionable passes. So I agree, let Darrell be and let's see what develops.

[ Edit | View ]


[ Contact Forum Admin ]

Forum timezone: GMT-5
VF Version: 2.94, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2012 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.