Re: Renovations -- Saint Peter's College Sports

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Renovations -- Tim Geitner, Sunday, March 15, 10:29:40am [1]

With all due respect,you misunderstand me.I was in fact praising Mr. Stein for his ability to work around the system to get the job done,while handicapped by the prior anti-athletics prez.
Few can appreciate what he did under the radar and for which he got little or no credit.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Renovations -- oldtimer#1, Sunday, March 15, 11:12:48am [1]

My apologies! You are absolutely right on Bill Stein. With regard to Pat Elliott, from what I know, he has accomplished so much in his short tenure, both inside and outside the Athletic Department. Like JD he is trying to build an infastructure that will bring SPC to another level. Some examples are building (or rebuilding) relationships with Board Of Trustees, upper management and the like. It one thing for our President to say that athletics is once again an integral part of SPC and quite another to put that thought into action. With some of the "lazy", disinterested personnel still on the payroll Pat Elliott appears to be doing all of the dirty work that is required after all the rhetoric is over. He and Bill Stein have different skill sets. Bill was great under very adverse circumstances but Pat is the right guy at this time. I am not in that inner circle to detail everything but even from a distance what the guy is doing is obvious. Sorry for the misintrepretation.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Renovations -- class of 68, Sunday, March 15, 12:03:09pm [1]

Oldtimer please stop speaking in generalities and tell us what Elliott has done.If you cant than you have lost all credibility with me.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Renovations -- oldtimer#1, Sunday, March 15, 12:39:40pm [1]

Losing credibility with you is not my concern. If you don't think that building relationships within the college, which WAS mentioned, is the first step in turning things around then you have no idea as to how to build any business or Program. Some specifics, a joint Athletic Department/ Alumni Development Golf Outing scheduled in June (formerly the Murray outing) is now a joint effort with Athletics benefiting revenue wise. Credit Bill Stein for doing this over the years but Elliott has taken it a step farther. Or how about the real possoibility of adding athletic/type majors as part of the colleges academic offerings. This was discussed previously on this Board.Examples under consideration are phys. ed, and sports management. These will not happen overnight and much work goes into the planning stages but Elliott is pushing/coordinating the drive. Lot of work for the guy to do besides running the day to day operations of the department. Easy to be a professional critic rather than doing the actual work.

I could list a half dozen other initiatives that I have become aware of both on my own and from others, including posters (Peacock Nation, Postcards from athletes just begun on the Athletic site, emphasis on Fundraising to supplement a woefully inadequate athletic budget etc.)
No special inside information and many of these initiatives are becoming well known (see Cindy as well as prior posts by others). Think PE is open to reviving the Don Kennedy Club and things like video streaming of basketball games but there are other people who know much more than I do. The only area were I would agree with you and others is that the college has always been closed mouth and only communicating with Alumni and fans on a need to know basis. Everyone should be aware of the efforts ongoing.
Word of mouth is not a good way to communicate.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Renovations -- class of 68, Sunday, March 15, 12:49:15pm [1]

So much to be done due to previous neglect.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Renovations -- oldtimer#1, Sunday, March 15, 01:40:43pm [1]

And perhaps some ongoing neglect. Easy for some at SPC to give tacit verbal support but leave the nuts and bolts for someone else to do. Think PE is working with some of the dooers but IMO there remain, as in any organization,
those who never pitch in. Think the job PE has is enormous and unfortunately that means IMO that it will not get done as quickly as we all like. To me, first step is the athletic budget and or fundraising to get the Athletic Department up to reasonable size so that not everyone, including the AD , is not on overload, As you say, too much that needs to be done, even by on e or two energenic people.