VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 123[4]5678910 ]


[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: Sunday, December 28, 09:05:44pm
Author: loyal
Subject: At Least..............

.......Cindy Crawford didn't have to sit thought this one. :-(

We'll have to be very patient and hope reinforcements (Conley + ?) will be big contributors next year.

Marist away game Friday is one of our best chances for a MAAC road win this season....I'll be there.

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]


Replies:

[> Re: At Least.............. -- figgyprez, Sunday, December 28, 10:38:03pm [1]

Missed this one, but if Leon was suspended for practice incident, that's 2 in 2 years. The kid ain't good enough for the trouble. Sounded really bad, which is unfortunate because I thought this would be a chance to show progress against a more competent team than FDU which has even more trouble than we do right now. Conference sked will tell much about how near or far we are on the road to adequacy. We must show progress in Jan and Feb against the whole league or the argument for the failure of the current staff is that much stronger. Poor performances and the inability to keep a roster together is not encouraging.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> Re: At Least.............. -- Edwards, Monday, December 29, 10:39:36am [1]

This guy can t coach and because of that no good recruits will come here.He has to go.The defenders of dunne do not have the best interests of the program in there minds.They are hangars on.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> Re: At Least.............. -- figgyprez, Tuesday, December 30, 11:34:23am [1]

Hang on to this. I want the guy to succeed because I want the program to succeed. I could care less who coaches. Dunne inherited a team that was in more disarray than most people knew. But he has now recruited some classes and it is on him to improve and stabilize the program. Like loyal I believe the case is now going to the jury. But anyone who thinks the school is going to pay someone not to coach again better think again. Also if Dunne fails that will make in effect 3 failures in a row. Remember Clark had a great career that the staff did not capitalize on. So if 3 guys in a row fail, what conclusions might you draw about the future viability of the program? Not a pleasant thought to me. So yeah I want the guy to succeed but not due to any personal gain in that success


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> Re: At Least.............. -- Sludge, Tuesday, December 30, 02:13:20pm [1]

Excellent summation. Well balanced and, unlike some, does not claim to possess the clairvoyance or vision to know that the choice of Dunne was a poor one from the outset.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> Considering your lack of originality -- Peacock, Tuesday, December 30, 04:35:35pm [1]

You also miss state many issues, much like your political beliefs as well as being a documented panderer. You must be a practiced liar and prefabricator but lack the ability to tie together the events as they transpire.

I never said was a mistake from the start, I made that choice after 2.5 seasons of experience. It doesn't take clairvoyance to make a decision after seeing the results of performance. Your lack of same accounts for you being the poet laureate of pure meaningless comments.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Another misstep on your part -- Sludge, Tuesday, December 30, 06:57:05pm [1]

Or don't you bother to read what you post? The satirical nature of my post was to your revisionist inference that there were others more qualified at the time of hire. You also do the flip flop by your now, more recent discovery that Dunne was always Stein's choice and one that would serve as the lackey he could control.

Perhaps we should put you in charge of naming a new Senator. Similar to some politicos, you could always try to convince that you were for, before you were against. Or was it against, before you were for?


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> I guess you didn't understand the meaning of the word "retrospect" -- Peacock, Tuesday, December 30, 10:27:20pm [1]

You are nowhere as intelligent as you think. Your comprehensive skills are so poor it is no wonder you have problems with original thought. You are the epitimy of an intellectual fraud that exists on any board.

Didn't see the answers on Dunne you claimed to have.

Why don't you just step up to plate and comment on the state of SPC basketball program and all its infuences. Best oner gets from you are cryptic comments with little to no meaning and a firm belief that is nothing more than karma that shaped this program. It appears you pride yourself as being a sniper, with an unbelievable limited backing for your attacks.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Now I've learned your meaning of "retrospect" -- Sludge, Tuesday, December 30, 11:03:07pm [1]

Guess my lack of reading comprehension prevented me from seeing this some three year's ago. What foresight on your part.

___________________________________________________________

"Now lets correct a stated comment made recently that Dunne was hired to rebuild the program. Sorry, but Dunne was hired while Loughran was still President and was hired because it was felt he would cause the least disruption under the magnanimous President. The fact remains that Dunne was the path that would ease Stein in his last years and was a coach that would not get Loughran upset. If anyone knows about the Stein Orr connection you might understand how Dunne came to be. There were at least four other coaches that would have serve better but dismissed by Stein as potential troublemakers for him. Names, Casey, McBreen, Reimbios, Herrada. All would have been a better choice, but only in retrospect. One never knows how they would do, but they were culled out because Stein wanted the Orr man from the start. It is probably unfair to call him a bad coach as he might serve well as an assistant coach but he certainly has not demonstrated the ability to be a head coach".


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> What ever made you think you have vision. -- Peacock, Tuesday, December 30, 11:37:49pm [1]

I didn't have this feeling three years ago although I felt McBreen or Casey would have been the better choice. It was made known back then of the Orr connection or were you unaware that Stein wanted Louie as his first choice.
Or as I have left out Kevin Boyle whose personality turned off many, was a front runner.

Now since you took the effort to copy part of my post, what is that you take issue with. The rebuilding program part, or the Stein method of coach selection. Clarity of purpose on your part seems to constantly be missing.

It seems your intelligence betrays you again. Foresight. No, Just making the historical connections, or do you not understand the nature of history.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> Re: At Least.............. -- oldtimer#1, Tuesday, December 30, 06:25:32pm [1]

Although some will disagree, I also liked figgy's post. Some food for thought. As I was walking near the Peacock Cafe at halftime of the Stony Brook game I briefly overheard part of a cell phone conversation. A well built, athletic looking mid-age Stony Brook fan was discussing the game and SPC. His exact comments were that he could not believe what a dump this place was. Tough words for an SPC graduate and fan to hear. My immediate thought was to think of Stony Brook and all those other teams and schools I could name that'in the past, couldn't hold a candle to SPC athletically or academically. Yet reality is what it is. We all want to see the school "reborn" and some good things are definitely happening. The unanswered question is will it be too little and too late?


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> Re:Oldtimer post....... -- W, Frazier, Wednesday, December 31, 12:59:26am [1]

Just what are the"good things"that are happening?


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> Re: At Least.............. -- oldtimer#1, Wednesday, December 31, 08:44:07am [1]

Since I'll assume that this is a legitimate post I'll give but one example that many are aware of. Building support for athletics is extremely hard. Just look at attendance at not only our games but other schools throughout the metropolitan area. A student club called the Peacock Nation has been formed and their success at helping bring fans out for the Seton Hall game, with all the t-shirt giveaways and other events demonstrates a step in the right direction. While this is small in itself talks have begun with the academic side of SPC to have this as a forerunner to the consideration of adding "other" possible majors at the college. A Sports Management major as well as Physical Therapy are among several under consideration. Whether this ever materalizes is anyone guess but the seeds are being planted. If, and I say if, we ever added Sports Management to our academic offerings, it could prove extremely valuable for athletics and especially recruiting. Too early to get excited but, at least , the thinking is in the right direction. It is my understanding that PE is in the forefront of these concepts. Just one example.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> I am not going to even disagree with anything here -- Peacock, Thursday, January 01, 12:55:55pm [1]

but will take objection to feeling of so many, intellectuals and emotionals alike, that SPC is a doomed world. Many have little knowledge of the attention (negative) that Loughran imposed on this school. He disdained NCAA and did all in his power to under cut anything that might serve growth for SPC in that arena. While he was not proactive in destroying anything, he was proactive in eliminating budget support. Few will recall the disastrous softball scholarship affair that made the newspapers in Long Island and showed how poor SPC considered athletics and how duplicitous the AD could be. So with all that behind us, we now have a President who, at least, understands that athletics is a integral part of a successful college. His only fault as of now, is most likely a low knowledge of the issues and factors that contribute to its success. He very easily can place faith in some who are not up to the task, but does not mean that he will not follow through to altering the issues at SPC. The current economic times is not going to make it any easier, but any cursory review of the sum total of D1 athletes in the school shows that approximately 150 tuitions are had because of our participation in D1 athletics. While that might not change in an improvement of the athletic programs, one only needs to read the history of the Gonzaga story to understand that well run athletic programs improves enrollment in all areas. Biggest problem in these economic times is the academic side who would object to any sacrifices in their area for improvement in athletics. However we do now see a train of thought that appears to want to address these issue and the fatalists that seem to always arise are much more a negative factor than the school. Criticisms of current situations are not fatalists, but many seem to think they are. Yes the place may be still called a dump, but does anyone notice that the garage has been repaired, a fact that never would have occurred had not Loughran died. Progress is always slow and stymied by many mis-steps. Where it goes wrong is the defense of the issues that are wrong by many who just think the school is crap and deserves what it gets.


[ Edit | View ]

[> Re: At Least.............. -- Gray Poll, Monday, December 29, 10:39:29am [1]

There is no longer any "argument for the failure of the current staff." The probability that the they will every produce a competent team, let alone a winning one is less than that of Dubya getting into Mensa.

What we are measuring now is the competency and commitment of the administration. The longer they keep JD as coach, the lower their score.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> Since we're playing the metaphor game -- Sludge, Monday, December 29, 01:57:14pm [1]

Our chances of getting a coach to attract talented recruits to SPC is as good as Rambo coming clean and admitting that he was acting as the mouth piece for Barry in doin' the dirty with Blago.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> Re: Since we're playing the metaphor game -- jajk, Monday, December 29, 02:44:19pm [1]

we already have one . he did it last year . but you have to manage , coach and keep them .


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> Re: Since we're playing the metaphor game -- Sludge, Monday, December 29, 04:24:07pm [1]

You might wish to limit your entertaining and satirical humor for tweeking those unsuspecting infintile dolts on the MAAC Board. If by chance reference is being made to your prodigal son, Mr. Lampley, let it be known that he surprised many by remaining on campus as long as he did. There was a reason he did not receive offers from others, a good part of which concerned more than his lack of understanding of the basketball game. Funny to hear some of the revisionist of history lamenting how much our fortunes have suffered due to the absense of Daryll. Our ills go much deeper and and can be attributed to far more than simply the actions of our current stewards.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> Re: Since we're playing the metaphor game -- Gray Poll, Monday, December 29, 05:03:47pm [1]

Actually I thought it was a simile


[ Edit | View ]



[ Contact Forum Admin ]


Forum timezone: GMT-5
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.