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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 01:58:14pm
Author: Bunk
Subject: Disappointed.
In reply to: Bunk 's message, "To: Andy Furman" on Monday, March 10, 11:08:19am

I'm disappointed by the lack of ideas from the true Peacock fans. People like Cindy Crawford and loyal are smart posters. Do you have an ideas for bring the program up to the MAAC level?

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[> [> Re: Disappointed. -- Cindy Crawford, Wednesday, March 12, 06:09:15pm [1]

Thanks for the compliment,but I'm sorry to say i think it's mostly about the lack of financial support .An infusion of funds ,not likely to happen to any great extent,could help ameliorate some of the problems.
The facilities from parking,to bleachers with modern seating,to scoreboards(Iona's for example include graphics that include ongoing game stats and percentages) need to be upgraded.
Staff and their salaries need to be increased to to attract and keep dynamic,talented people.Hopefully this will start with a commitment to paying a new AD a competitive salary. I understand the candidate field has potential. Are we willing to pay what will secure one?
The recruiting budget is paltry ... some schools spend more on postage .
Marketing is also deficient.The population of the city has changed from the glory days at the Armory,when a dozen bus lines brought families to its doorstep,without the competition of multiple top 20 games on cable TV at home.Most of those who attended in the 60s are either in nursing homes,dead,or have long fled to the burbs.
New connections have to be forged to link the college to the new community and businesses at the eastern shore of the city.
There is a need for more money and for a dynamic vision. Where it will come from is anyone's guess.

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[> [> [> Re: Disappointed. -- loyal, Wednesday, March 12, 06:25:47pm [1]

Vision that upgraded athletics can drive enrollment (invest $$ to make $$) is evidently not the Board's current perspective. Someone has the chance now to drive that concept home, with a new Prez and likely a more articulate, persuasive, ambitious AD. Like Cindy says, the AD hire will speak volumes.
Gonzaga and Xavier live by that philosophy. Locally, Siena is directionally there. Manhattan is, too, as is Iona. All three programs pay coaches approx 3x our compensation, for example.
But, compensation is not all of it. I had the opportunity of working out at the Omni alongside the Manhattan athletic director two years ago. We got into a casual mens BB conversation....let me tell you, Byrne is to our guy what Bill Gates is to the guy owning the corner garage.....for us to improve exponentially, our new Prez and AD would have to have that type of commitment and professionalism. We'll see.
Short of that, we will be dependent on catching lightning in a bottle, hope Dunne or his successor can find three above average players within two recruiting classes, and maybe steal a title every six/seven years or so. We were close three years ago, but Sowers went south and Manhattan happened to field the best MAAC club in the past ten years. Most other years, the Sowers, Yates, Clark club would have been right there.
If the current level of commitment/vision continues, realistically, occaisional contention, when the planets are in alignment, is the best we can expect.
This is NOT a knock on Dunne....but if Siena, Manhattan and Iona pay coaches 200K+ and we pay ours around 75K, and have better facilities, how often can we be expected to come out on top?
If you can hire a guy for any job, in any discipline, for 200K and my budget is 75K, who is going to get the better candidate, and who is most likely to succeed? Easy answer.

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[> [> [> Re: Disappointed. -- oldtimer#1, Wednesday, March 12, 07:25:09pm [1]

Cindy/Loyal - pretty good and accurate posts. As you know and had been posted several months ago a Committee has been formed to address the financial specifics of the Athletic Program. Supposedly this has been ongoing since before September and was initiated by the new administration. Who makes up that Committee, what they are discussing and when they will reach conclusions, I have no insight. The only question to my mind is when will a determination be made and what will it be. Perhaps too many meetings and not enough action. My best guess would be something should happen before the end of the school year since the new fiscal year begins July 1st. However, that is only a guess.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Disappointed. -- Peacock Blue, Thursday, March 13, 07:46:40am [1]

What's the status of the propsed student-center?

IMO, it's ridiculous to spend all that money on a new building when there are so many problems with the existing facilities. We need to upgrade to make our facilities (not just athletic) to make them comparible with other schools our size before we worry about new buildings. Enough with putting band aids and bubble gum over the problems.

The new administration has to realize that running a college is a business, not a charitable cause. It seems that the "Jesuit way" at Saint Peter's is quite different from that of schools such as Loyola, Gonzaga, Georgetown, and Xavier.

Sure it sounds great to hear "The Jesuit College of New Jersey" and what a "diverse population of students we have." The truth is high school students could care less. One trip to the NCAA tournament would generate more interest for a high school student than any of that(It's almost free advertising in a way). Also, I hear so much about the alumni from SPC that are top executives in big companies. It scares me to think about what will happen when that generation of graduates retire. Who will take there place? The standards for students are quite different now than in the 60's "blue collar, shirt and tie" era.

As for the new AD, whoever it may turn out to be, here's an idea to get the students involved:
Make the "Cock Pit" mean something instead of it being this mythical section of the bleachers that in actuality is 4 kids that are drunk and show up with their body painted. Instead of giving out shirts to the first 500 students at a random game or these "Tees for 3's", have students sign up and give their e-mails. As a member of the "Cock Pit", you would get a t-shirt and there would be a pre-game reception with free wings/pizza and soda.

In addition, is there any sort of "Jr. Peacock Club?" Make the games a place that families can bring their kids. I go to games at other schools and see fathers with their sons. Children are admitted for free so it can't be that hard. It doesn't matter to these kids what teams they're watching, they just know they're at a basketball game. We have to reach out to people and the community so people think "$7 for a basketball game and an afternoon with my kids, what a deal!"

Also, student support has to start with the student-athletes and coaches. The "Code Blue" promotion of a few years a go was a nice idea, but there was no reason for students to show up. Stressing to student-athletes that they need to support the other teams is important. There should be a "we're in this together" attitude among the athletes.

I was at a game this past year with a friend and there was some rare crowd noice and chants of defense. He who turned to me and said "I bet this place could get really loud with 3,000 people here." I remembered the games against Manhattan vs. KeeKee from a few years back...what a difference 2 years makes. We must be one of the few teams that has a home court disadvantage.

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[> [> [> Re: Disappointed. -- IWasThere, Thursday, March 13, 05:58:47pm [1]

You make many good points. I'd like to see the Marketing Department get involved, perhaps sponsoring a competition or a course requirement for undergrad and MBA students. The goal could be on getting the public to know about and come to SPC games.

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