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Date Posted: Thursday, March 13, 05:10:57pm
Author: loyal
Subject: Long Way to Go...

Watched almost all MAAC Tournament games.

Some sobering observations.

Other than Jenkins and Sowell there is not one other SPC starter or reserve, based on THIS SEASONS PERFORMANCE, who would be better than 7th man on almost any MAAC squad...certainly not on the final four, or Marist, for that matter.
Gooding, Lampley and even Leon would be fortunate to smell the court for Siena, Niagara, Rider, Marist or Loyola. Even Jenkins would not start over Hasbrouck, or the Loyola "2" guard.....and he would split time with Thompson of Rider and Niagara's "2".
Bottom line......Coach Dunne (and us) have to hope the following happens next season, or else it will be another LONG year:
1. Someone can rebound from the "5". That person is not on the roster yet.
2. Someone can come in and score right away from the "3". Gooding is a small forward that can't shoot consistently beyond 10 feet, can't handle well or create his own shot off the dribble. Good potential backup; no indications he is a legit MAAC starter.
3. Point guard....enough has been said by everyone on this Board, and Rob Kennedy for good measure. When did Teddy win his titles? With Frensley and Jasper Walker at the point. No Frensleys or Walkers on this roster, it appears. Jasper could not shoot as a frosh, either, but he could pass and defend.
Tall task for Coach Dunne. Let's hope he pulls a few rabbits out of the hat. I know we all, despite our frustration, wish him all the best!

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[> Re: Long Way to Go... -- oldtimer#1, Thursday, March 13, 09:01:48pm [1]

Visited campus today and spotted a big on an Official Visit. Never approached the staff on this as I take the attitude that when they want to announce something of importance they will.Inappropriate to snoop. All I know is that the young man was from out of state. My conclusion is that everyone knows what needs to be accomplished and JD and the rest are working hard. Hope they will be successful.


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[> [> Re: Long Way to Go... -- oldtimer#1, Thursday, March 13, 10:14:10pm [1]

Couldn't agree more with both assessments. Would like to see a big (6'7" is OK) but one who can move and run the floor. SPC Fan is right about Gooding in the half-court game but if and when we are able to run, Akeem can really contribute. Don't forget he averaged double digits only a year ago. IMO both the style of play and where he had to play didn't favor his game this year. He is an unknown factor. Will be interesting to see how he is used next year.


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[> Re: Long Way to Go... -- SPC Fan, Thursday, March 13, 09:52:39pm [1]

I have to agree with your assesment Loyal. Most telling to me was the Marist game when their point, Devezin continually blew by Leon and Lampley.We need a 1, a 3, and a 5 to be competitive next year. I like Jenkins and Bacon has potential to really improve i feel but i see the same shortcomings you do in Leon-marginal D1 player should not be a starter,Lampley-has to learn to play the point or not D1 due to size,Gooding-lack of any offensive game relegates him to a part time or specialist type of role to me.Costner and Hogga should he return appear at best to be future role players probably off the bench.Traore little more than a few minutes per game role player off the bench.
Have to figure Mumford not really a factor as he was ticketed for a redshirt i think prior to his injury.Looked to me in the practice i saw preseason like he had a very good shot and could handle but seemed to be a bit too weak and not extrememely athletic.
This will be a crucial recruiting class as right now it's hard to see us being any better at all next year. Siena is very young,Iona has really seemed to recruit well,Marist has better young guards then we do.We may only be better than Canisius again.Still let's hope for the best and see where we are in May .


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[> Re: Long Way to Go... -- Andy Furman (To SPC fans and family), Thursday, March 13, 10:29:31pm [1]

Love reading the posts. I fear when the new AD is hired -- sometime in mid-July -- we're looking and perhaps losing a "selling" year for the 2008-09 season.

We'll be behind in ticket packages, kids' packages and sales to the corporate community. This comes to light because the University of Cincinnati football ticket package plans and payments are due in early April.

Andy Furman


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[> [> Re: Long Way to Go... -- NickD, Thursday, March 13, 11:52:04pm [1]

Talk about dreaming..What planet are you on?? You talk as if we always had "ticket plans" and we are just a little late this year..Man you cannot be serious,so you must be jerking our chain!Don't get me wrong because I agree with your plan for SPC, except that SPC does not want to do what it needs to do to move the program forward and upward so you would be at odds with the school because they have not shown the desire to "run with the bigger dogs" for whatever the reasons..We are one of the few DivI schools that does not try to "be all that they can be" because they will not even try.


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[> [> [> Re: Long Way to Go... -- Bunk, Friday, March 14, 12:26:20am [1]

Maybe the problem is fans like you and I settling for less.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Long Way to Go... -- NickD, Friday, March 14, 12:04:03pm [1]

I just told you what the problem was and it is not the fans.


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[> [> [> Re: Long Way to Go... -- figgyprez, Friday, March 14, 04:35:16pm [1]

I really don't care who the next AD is as long as the person does not continue the Fortdham/Georgetown run of folks who come to JC to do a little charity work while either retiring or resume building. If it must be from within the Jesuit community of institutions how about someone from a mid major urban program like one of the Loyolas, Detroit or St.Joe's. These folks might understand facility, budget and PR issues but will come from programs with a fair degree of success (Detroit lately excepted). Energy is the #1 prerequisite for me. I know that things can be better than they now are, but the salad days of "68 are over due to ESPN, internet etc. Nonetheless better community and student body ID can be had. I found it interesting that when the women had their pack the house night vs Rider a substantial crowd was there including numerous school official types and staff who never go to games of either gender team. Whatever in school dynamic led to that night needs to be tapped into more regularly.


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[> Re: Long Way to Go... -- jajk, Friday, March 14, 01:04:36am [1]

I can understand some the negativity and pessimism that permeates so many posts given the W and L record this year and the poor performance in the MAAC tournament game. But I guess being a glass is half-full person, I think it is being way overdone now.

Loyal, I agree with so much that you post and it is difficult to disagree with most points in your post here. But I guess I do depart in terms of what it doesn't say and ,more importantly , in terms of its implications. I think the positives should be stressed in terms of Wesley Jenkins . He made the all rookie team and certainly it is debatable that he shoud have been co-rookie of the year instead of Gavin. And I believe that was as the youngest starter in the MAAC. He played Hasbrouck fairly even in the the second Siena game both in terms of seeing the game and the stat line. I have a feeling that you probably agree largely with what I have said but I would just like to emphasize it in terms of all the negativity we are seeing here. We have at one position at least as solid a player as any team in the MAAC and for next three years. I would also say in terms of Ryan Bacon that while he would not have been in the top seven at his slot this season' he may well rank fairly high next year given the number of bigs departing this season and his quality as a player and competitor. So to me these two players alone out of one recruiting class merits more optimism than is being displayed right now on this board.

Add to that the hope that Hogga returns. Maybe he will not be more than a role player but I saw enough out of his play in parts of the SH and RU games to know that maybe he will be a starter someday and even if not,he is surely the kind of player I would want on my team. And even tho Gooding's numbers may have been down this year, I think that he improved as a player. Now to the part of the post that be a touch controversial. I remain quite positive that Lampley could still prove to be solid MAAC point guard if Darrell gets better and if Dunne uses him better, Certainly if we can play more of an up tempo type game. He did have a much tougher year adjusting than I anticipated but college PG takes time with many just as pro QB. I know that some of my Giant friends have now forgotten many of their criticisms of Eli only months ago. The kid is just too talented and I for one pray that he is back with us to give it another shot.I know that many will disagree here but I am willing to go on record and be wrong another year.

Certainly,a valid question here would be if so many things are so positive , how did this year happen. But I will leave the negatives to others. Yes ,a long way to go but we'll get there. Or not. But even then,most of us will keep rooting.


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[> Re: Long Way to Go... -- SPC supporter, Friday, March 14, 02:13:42am [1]

Loyal Jenkins is a freshmen and hasbrouckis a is a junior so yea he will start over jenkins cause he has more experience so loyal find something better to do with your free time then to critize students please........


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[> Re: Long Way to Go... -- armory fan, Friday, March 14, 05:46:14am [1]

Understand the negativity of posters but new ad has to have a can do attitude or else theere is no chance.Sad to say Dunne has failed miserably in coaching and talent evaluation and all excuses aside there is no real excuse for those failures.


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[> [> Re: Long Way to Go... -- SPC Alum, Friday, March 14, 10:59:07am [1]

Armory fan, I agree with you and Nick and Peacock wholeheartadly.The proof is in the pudding.Lets see what May brings us like SPC Fan says. I'm afraid next year will be more of the previous two years. Our only hope is that (and this is a reach) is that the league weakens with talent. Our out of coference schedule scares me too. We won't beat Rutgers or Seton Hall. Have to go to Boston U, start a bracket buster game on the road,at Monmouth and Wagner. Home against LIU, FDU, Lehigh? Can anyone confim this? Any way it will be a stretch to get into double digit wins and not get 20 losses again. I hope I am wrong but the future scares me.


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[> Re: Long Way to Go... -- SPC Fan, Friday, March 14, 07:47:12am [1]

Oldtimer i agree with you on Akeem. That's why i say at this point he is basically a specialist,thrives in a run and shoot press can't play in a halfcourt game where the defense is packed in daring him to shoot.
At least saw signs he was developing a 10 to 12 foot jumper by the end of the season.
Akeem would have thrived in Leckie run and shoot style. This year we were mostly a half court relatively slow offensive team except Lampley who i see as more of a transition player as well. As a result Akeem really struggled offensively. You have to love his athleticism but right now hard to project him as more than a specialist as i posted above, not a 30 minute a game type guy.


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[> [> Re: Long Way to Go... -- oldtimer#1, Friday, March 14, 09:28:01am [1]

Agreed


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