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Date Posted: Monday, June 23, 02:09:01pm
Author: loyal
Subject: Managed Expectations

Well, it seems as if KS is just what the doctor ordered....a rebounder and shot blocker to stop opponents from killing us on the boards and driving the paint at will.

Bacon (if he steps up his game) and KS should be the nucleus of a good defensive front line for years to come.

This season, we'll have to be patient.....no scoring likely up front from frosh, Gooding is limited offensively and opponents will be able to key on Wesley....but at the very least, the club should now be fun to watch and there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Very, very good news.....changes the entire face of the squad. :-)

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[> Re: Managed Expectations -- Sludge, Monday, June 23, 05:45:56pm [1]

John's goal is develop a team with a physical presence, one that can compete on the boards and is improved defensively.

The offensive side will be our achilles. Up front, no one, returning or new, can shoot or score (save perhaps Gooding if he can find a mid-range jumper). Overall, only Wesley and to a lesser extent Leon, has shown the capacity to shoot/score. Both can expect to be bodied up and scoring will depend heavily on their ability to be successful off the dribble.

Depth is questionable since, like last season, so much is dependent on new talent. On the positive, we appear to have another decent class arriving (assuming Sutton), which would seem to bode well for the future. For now, mix and match might be the order of the day.

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[> [> Re: Managed Expectations -- loyal, Monday, June 23, 06:10:43pm [1]

Agreed.....zero scoring potential up front, unless one of the front line frosh step up big time, which in the MAAC is rare for a front line freshman.

Having said that, this coming season had 4-24 written all over it if we could not defend the post or rebound. Now, at least, there is a glimmer of hope.

I have a dark horse for a "3" who can score a bit up front....I know it flies in the face of last year's performance...but I do think Costner can shoot a fifteen footer and passes very well..... I hope he can make that quantum leap.

Know nothing about McNeil or Reid.....our other likely "3" candidates....with McNeil probably a better fit....but....I think Costner is our only potential "3" with a jump shot....which will be what we need most from the "3" next season.

Remember, you heard it here first. :>)

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[> [> [> Re: Managed Expectations -- oldtimer#1, Monday, June 23, 11:41:33pm [1]

Agreed! However, I wonder if JD will also choose to run more. Last year we lived (and died) with the half court game.Scoring can come in many different ways. We have several players who can perform well in the open court. Gooding is outstanding, Jenkins is no slouch and it is one of Lampley's strengths. Reports also say that Sutton and Hill run the floor well for big men.The type of offensive mind set JD chooses should be interesting!

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[> [> Surprised at your projections. -- Peacock, Tuesday, June 24, 04:23:49pm [1]

First, the feeling around the front court is pretty lame based on anyone's knowledge. Not a soul here has an idea about Hill. Remember he played post in HS as he was the tallest but wanted more to play the wing because of his out side shot. As far as Sutton goes, the team he played on had four other studs that took all the shots and Sutton was only called on to rebound and defend. Not conducive to showing a post up man. Not one person can determine if he indeed might not score with some teaching and in fact could easily match Sowell's stats without the volleyball attempts. You certainly downgrade Bacon, who played at his best when Sowell was out of the line up. Now I am not touting this as a scoring machine up front, but the learned views expressed here also are full of holes. The assumption that everyone will ignore the front court and concentrate on Jenkins and Leon is absurd when one has so little knowledge of the incoming height. As I understand the concept of screens might see the light of day. To compound, you cite a wished for jump shot from Gooding, which has less of a probability than does us getting a double double out of Sutton.

Now our weaknesses from last year were more obvious than the partisans want to admit. Remembering that the lack of offensive flow as seen by all here can only be laid at the feet of the staff. A new scheme is coming in and we hope that that element of the game sees improvement. Both offensive sets, defensive alignment and strategy against the specific opposition. The improvement we need to look for is both with the players and the staff.

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[> [> [> Not surprised by your response -- Sludge, Tuesday, June 24, 08:29:04pm [1]

Much, at this stage, is speculation and based upon what we can gather from last season. Some can be learned from what we have seen of Jenkins and Leon and, to a lesser extent, of Bacon. Not that questions do not exist throughout, but in the frontcourt one must ask if Bacon can remain healthy, will Gooding become more consistent, and what are the capabilities and contributions expected from the newcomers?

Sure Sutton's arrival does make the long time fan salivate and dream that the elusive, dominant big man has finally been found. Ditto that we have discovered a hidden gem in Hill, who's blow out post season we pray was no accident. Or that a Shumate or Reid have untapped upside that remained hidden by their talented high school counterparts.

What is being said is, as some of us learned last year, little should be judged or projected until these kids can show they are capable of matching up or sustaining themselves against D-1 competition. If one does wish to judge on past performance, note that none, (Hill I'm not sure), have shown more than Sowell-like shooting under the basket.

While it certainly is early and thus only serves as off-season nourishment, the fact remains that the opposition will begin by looking to our backcourt until those up front can prove them wrong.

Coming off a very disappointing season and faced with many new questions should remind and caution us to keep expectations under control. Unrealistic goals, especially in the early going, will only place unfair pressure and add to criticism of the staff, something I'm certain that none of us would wish to do.

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[> [> [> [> Sure -- Peacock, Tuesday, June 24, 08:45:26pm [1]

But the we can't score attitude is also just as unwarranted. I have little expectations, but as you have agreed in the past, last years team was not a six win team as reality proved and within that may be where some questions should also be made.

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[> [> [> [> [> Not clear on what reality has proven but.... -- Sludge, Wednesday, June 25, 11:16:55am [1]

hopefully the questions that will be asked are substance-driven and not of the pejorative flavor.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> When have you ever considered substance -- Peacock, Wednesday, June 25, 12:51:53pm [1]

You have always attempted to avoid issues through miss direction.

You have always attempted to avoid issues through miss direction.

Just to help you out, reality was a six win season. Now in retrospect do you believe the talent that was there should have attained such gaudy numbers.

It always amazes me how one with your intellect jukes and dukes around issues that might cast you in a poor light. As for a pejorative flavor, one might consider that most of your opinions are of that nature when one looks at the SUM total of the reality versus the SUM total of your comments.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> When it comes from a credible source -- Sludge, Wednesday, June 25, 01:18:20pm [1]

Always assuring to know you will not disappoint. Ill's of last years can be placed on a number issues/individuals.

Why is it that I always see a single minded/predisposed purpose behind your remarks? When one can not provide balance and support to an argument, perhaps from frustration, you simply act to accuse the other of misdirrection.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> That last sentance of yours is pure garbage -- Peacock, Wednesday, June 25, 01:47:06pm [1]

When a person doesn't have the balls to address an issue they resort to BS. You have never provided balance always providing excuses and contrivances for your logic. Even now you hide behind the statement "can be placed on a number issues/individuals" without any commitment to what you mean. God bless spin control, you certainly posses it.

And when it comes your insight into my "single minded/predisposed purpose" you refuse to even bring up issues that have been part of the performance through the last two seasons. Strange how you ignore your own "single minded/predisposed purpose", but choose to accuse others of traits that are dominant in your posts. Guess they are right when they say the best defense is an offense. Since I only suggest that some change of style occur, you go ballistic with your physco-analysis which shows your tender spots. I guess in your world, asking questions of management is a forbidden topic. No wonder the country is so screwed up.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> So much for substance. -- Sludge, Wednesday, June 25, 02:15:06pm [1]

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[> [> [> Re: Surprised at your projections. -- oldtimer#1, Wednesday, June 25, 08:41:47am [1]

At some point we'd better be able to score inside. As any basketball fan knows, having an inside game frees up outside shooters.

The player that intrigues me most is Hill. Sutton is the key recruit but Hill, playing for an outstanding Texas high school team, is unknown by those of us who think that NYC/NJ basketball is all there is. At the very least, Sutton, Bacon, Hill etc. give JD a potentially outstanding rotation up front.

Sludge is correct about rebounding and defense. The kids have been continuing to work out intensely in strenghtening and conditioning.It shows in their appearance. While it's true that we don't have a wealth of shooters, scoring comes in many different ways.Last year, we had two, three if you count Leon, of the potentially better shooters in the league and it did nothing. Defense, rebounding, an interior game, and running the floor are all different ways of generating offense. How the staff puts together those offensive and defensive schemes that Peacock talks about will also be of interest to me.

Finally, congratulations to the staff on their recruiting efforts. As several have pointed out, no staff works harder.

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[> Re: Managed Expectations -- Cindy Crawford, Monday, June 23, 08:22:55pm [1]

Who is McNeil? I know of Hill and Hall but missed McNeil.

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[> [> Oooopsie -- loyal, Monday, June 23, 10:08:13pm [1]

Meant Reid.

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