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Date Posted: Friday, July 18, 09:11:44am
Author: loyal
Subject: Accountability

A serious question for all 15 of us SPC fans:

A turnaround job is tough; we all know that.

From a macro perspective, at what point should JD an the staff be held accountable for on court results? Let's give a pass for the first two seasons, as posters suggest. I can appreciate that perspective, though I think we could have been better last year and few if any players have shown signs of improvement over the past two seasons.

Will JD's tenure be considered a failure after this season, assuming single digit wins? After next? The year after that?

My answer would be this season, if Costner, Bacon, Gooding, Leon and Lampley do not show improvement.

Comments?

Thanks.

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[> Re: Accountability -- Peacock, Friday, July 18, 09:45:24am [1]

Dunne needs to put wins on the table and show that the program can do it. He has the work ethic that was lacking in the previous regime, but one has to question his ability based on results. There are many issues that kept us from winning games last season, and some were not just players. If one comes to mind, it has been poor end game management, much less game preparation. Now Dunne has three more years to run. But only two to turn it around and he will have to do it with players we all know. Remember turning it around does not mean winning the league, but at least gettting to 500 in the MAAC. If he can't do it his third year should be a lame duck year. If he does single digit wins this season he will be reviled, but still have the 2nd year to turn it around. I have been more concerned with his strategies and game handlings than the recruiting. Lets hope he at least shows some changes this season.


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[> [> Re: Accountability -- oldtimer#1, Friday, July 18, 12:50:58pm [1]

Strongly agree with Peacock's intial statement ( but could debate some that followed). It's the status of the Program that is key when JD's tenure is up. Even if he overachieves this year with a questionable roster it's still the status of the Program. Peacock put a good measuring stick with mid-pack MAAC as a reasonable expectation.


To Loyal's points. I agree that we need a Conley or another other major force to change expectations. Could come from the current roster but I am not overly optimistic. With regard to the AD, I can assure you that he doesn't go to bed worrying about JD and staff. He has an understaffed department to run, 19 sports to administer, budget, fundraising considerations, positions to fill, compliance, NLI's, etc. It's a big job but I believe that this guy is more than up to the task.

Think he also has a favorable opinion of JD and staff. However,this will not prevent him from doing what he has to do when the time arrives.


And yes, I agree with the extension that JD received. JD is well respected within the school and the MAAC coaching community. He also seems to have the respect of the players. He and Morton do know the game and, if you recall, decent resumes. In my view he's the right guy for a tough job in a tough environment. If you reply he hasn't proven himself you are absolutely correct. May not, and that would be a shame because IMO the guy has what it takes.



Winning solves all problems and losing is always second guessed. That's the story of the profession as well as many of the posts on this Board. Just a fact of life,


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[> [> Re: Accountability -- Nick, Friday, July 18, 10:24:31pm [1]

Coach will not win if he does a poor job,even if he has talent. Wins do not just happen, as your post infers, because we or he or everyone wants it to be. Its a vicious cycle SPC is in and I believe it will take a very good head coach to break it.. Perhaps Dunne is the right guy and then again maybe not..I would think he will need to win more than 10 games this season to have any credibility..IMHO.


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[> Re: Accountability -- loyal, Friday, July 18, 11:00:51am [1]

Fair enough.

Two year extension was unnecessary; if any, one max was more than enough. Let's hope new AD makes shrewder decisions going forward.

Unless Conley turns out to be a significant inside force, it will be VERY tough to succeed with this roster. Let's see; we all want it to happen.


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[> Re: Accountability -- Jack Ryan, Friday, July 18, 04:38:42pm [1]

The extension does a few things. It takes pressure off of the coach and the new AD and allows both to concentrate on their respective job's-at-hand.W-L only seems to be an issue with men's basketball. There was one coach who won
only one game in three seasons. Never saw one word about that posted on this board.
It also gives the college more time to make the upgrades that will make SPC more attractive to recruits. And, as each year passes the college has gradually been raising its standards for admission. That equates to smarter, more diciplined student atheletes.


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[> [> You can present some of -- SPC02, Friday, July 18, 05:23:25pm [1]

dumbest rationalizations around. Basketball is the signature sport and if you have not noticed SPC comes in last in the Commissionerís Standings year in and year out. People have complained about the state of the athletics for a long time and the fact that a coach with one win in three years is testament to that, and not germane to any discussion on Dunne.


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[> [> Re: Accountability -- Jack Ryan, Saturday, July 19, 02:41:19pm [1]

What is your point? Besides calling me dumb? I've been called worse. My point was to make the college a better place for everyone, including all of the athletic teams, not just men's basketball. And, since when have we become accountable to the Commissioner? If the college does not meet his high standards, I doubt the shortcomings fall soley on the shoulders of John Dunne.
When the quality of our lives becomes dependent on the W-L record of a basketball team we are in serious trouble.


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[> Playing Devil's Advocate -- SPC '91, Saturday, July 19, 03:34:22pm [1]

If Dunne cannot have a productive season this year, maybe some strong consideration needs to be taken by the new AD re: a replacement.

Does anyone think that Ted Fiore may consider coming back to the old U.? Can't argue against results and Teddy has produced even at MSU? Remember that all the bad blood that led to his departure is no longer at SPC.

Maybe I'm just a little crazy but losing this much will do to people.


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[> [> Re: Playing Devil's Advocate -- NickD, Saturday, July 19, 10:16:46pm [1]

You are a lot crazy with that nonsense.


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