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Date Posted: Wednesday, September 03, 11:38:14pm
Author: oldtimer#1
Subject: Re: As usual you avoid an issue
In reply to: loyal 's message, "Re: As usual you avoid an issue" on Wednesday, September 03, 11:14:48pm


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: As usual you avoid an issue -- Peacock, Thursday, September 04, 02:09:43pm [1]

Do you disagree that we don't want much more or that either Lampley or Leon would see more time on those teams. Most of you are faced with a dilemma. At least Loyal has a position. I feel the players are much better than the critics here while Loyal thinks they suck and with all due respect, I have not idea what you really think. I know Sludge thinks they suck, if you weed through his verbose commentary.

Bottom line, if we are only one player away from being very competitive, then you must think the players are more than capable of securing double digit wins. If you don't we are much more than one or two players away. In the end I could be wrong on the players or Loyal could be wrong, but you and Sludge seem to walk on this tightrope on the real problems that the last two seasons have shown us and looking at the composition of the team a potential problem that will be here for the next three season if it exists.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: As usual you avoid an issue -- oldtimer#1, Friday, September 05, 02:13:08am [1]

Peacock, I think both Leon and Lampley are better than Loyal gives them credit for. My short answer was just to respect Loyal's opinion but to disagree.

#1) Leon - an outstanding shooter and driver to the hoop. Finishes well and he makes his layups. One of the best foul shooters in the country. If he were 6'2" he would be outstanding. Think he still has that chance but if he eventually has play the #2 the open question is if he can he shoot the same (or defend against) taller opponents. Smart, tough player who seems to be respected by his fellow players.

#2) Lampley - obviously exciting but his problem last year was that he often played out of control (bad out of control, not good out of control). His detractors could say, with some justification, that he was a selfish player. His supporters will say he was the man in high school, so why shouldn't he be the man in D1. Major problem from my point of view was that he was a poor shooter which was compounded by the fact that he often took horrible shots. Actually, when he squared up and stopped taking those off balance heaves he was decent. Will never be the shooter that Jenkins and Leon are but has the potential to improve. No matter what, he will be a contributor but if his basketball IQ grows he still could be special.

By the way, and from observation only, JD was very supportive of him last year. Usually, giving him a pat on the back even in those games where he looked bad. Leon was equally supportive as I posted last year. Hope that spells out my thoughts on each player. Both are legit MAAC level players.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: As usual you avoid an issue -- oldtimer#1, Friday, September 05, 02:33:57am [1]

Peacock, just reread your post and I'll even go futher out on a limb. If we had Conley this year (and we don't) I would be hopeful of a very good season (over 12 wins and top tier MAAC). He an Bacon would be a wonderful combination around the rim. My problem this year, and I confess to usually being an optimist, is that there are too many question marks. As figgyprez says let's wait until the season to see how those question marks pan out.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: As usual you avoid an issue -- Peacock, Friday, September 05, 03:10:44pm [1]

I have a pretty good idea on how decent Conley could be. My point is if you are only one player away from being a competitive team, you should not be a poor team without him. You obviously feel we are one player away. Good coaches make adjustments and strategize around the deficiencies and while they still might not break five hundred they don't become single digit win teams. I have concluded that we are in the 10-14 win potential and failure will and should bring forth questions on the staff. You might not agree, but I would only ask how many single digit seasons in a row do you need to starting considering that issue. Remember three season of just sub 500 would set off even the most passive of fans in most schools.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: As usual you avoid an issue -- oldtimer#1, Friday, September 05, 06:10:24pm [1]

You have me pegged correctly. IMO, one impact player player away. If it's the right player (inside) who fills a gap then I would be quite optimistic. Where I differ from you is that I see too many unknowns at this point. Bacon's stamina etc., how much will Hill contribute, Hall's ability to play point early on, is Reid just a role player in his freshman year or will he be more than that, Leon's ability to provide scoring as an off guard when Hall is ready, Lampley getting it together, Shumate and Costner's contribution. I take Jenkins as a given but he's not going to play 40 minutes game in and game out. Then there is, of course, your point about the staff utilizing the players to their maximum. Often the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts and that's the job of the staff i.e. putting the pieces together.

As stated previously, I'm an optimist so I would hope for your goal of 12 wins or more but a lot has to go right for that to happen.Should be interesting.

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